Guild Wars 2

1 v 1 best of 5 would be the most fair and most skill dependent game mode.
Plus it’s the most manly. Two men enter, one leave.

Kayberz.5346:

MirrorOfNature.4279:

Lexander.4579:

yes i like the new matchmaking i can literally feel how good players like me rise easily to the top while bads who whine about matchmaking and necromancers stay 2 dvisions below us

Good players? Do you have any idea how many terrible players are being carried right now to top divisions, just because they abused and tanked their MMR last season? Now the system consider them good and because of that they ride the win streak wave and think themselves some pvp gods. To be honest if they were that good like you said, they would not want to be carried artifficially by a fundamentally broken system. They would want competitive games, where they can show their skill and emerge from a game with the knowledge that they ACTUALLY earned it and fought hard for it. The fact that the so called “pros” – (and yes the "" is intensional) were completely alright with cleaving through groups of new players a long the way tells me they are way less skilled then they make themselves to be.

The fact that you come here and straight away claim you are a good player, because ‘good players like you EASILY rise to the top ranks.’ is enough to know you are in fact a bad player caught in a lucky win streak. Any system that privilages a certain group of people, while ignoring the rest is not a good system, but its a flawed system.
The only way this system would ever be fair and balanced is if Anet finally open their eyes and remove MMR all together from ranked and league MM. The system must only consider pip range and division standing when calculates a MM.

During this first week, since the league started I lost count how many times I’ve seen some “pro” claiming the system is good, because it carries easily the “good” players through the rank. How is that a good system? And how are those a good players if they need to be held by the hand and carried? Skilled players are supposed to be skilled, right? Why then the so-called pro players are so afraid of facing even matches from the start of the league? Why do they need a system to carry them to the -supposed- high division they belong to. Yes this is the words of most of this supposed skilled players. That they belong in a highest division. Then PROVE IT. Dont have a broken system carry you, but prove that you belong in high division, by facing equally skilled players, not a completely new one. Too afraid of the rude awakening that maybe you are not so good after all? Of course you are, because its such a better ego booster to cleave through hordes of new players and think yourself the best players in the world.

No matter what you believe or like, the system is flawed, its being proven to be flawed, and thats the rude awakening, which you and the others like you will face very soon, when you hit the lose streaks or the 1-2 hours long queues. Enjoy your “amazing” season!

Lol u mad?
Wow could you be any more of a sore loser lololol
The system isnt giving away “free win streaks” its matching players together in the same division +-15 pips apart, the people getting win streaks actually have to PLAY the game and WIN and they do.
But Keep coming up with conspiracy theories about how anet rigged the system against you and how everyone in the higher divisions are just “bad players” who got magically carried with “free win streaks” yet still continue to progress while the amazingly skillful players such as yourself lose every game

There is no conspiracy. The same braindead algorithm handing out of your wins is causing people to be repeatedly matched with/against same opponents, giving unlucky people huge loss streaks and causing your ever increasing queue times.

Maybe just take a nap while MM look for a game.

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

i wouldnt say that becoming good comes as “free stuff”, unless of course there is some algorithm conspiracy behind all that where some people are born as good players and some are doomed to be bad

The algorithm hand out win streak to some people and loss streak to others.
And you are probably the only one who isn’t are of this by now.
Or perhaps you thought you won because you were awesome ?

I dont think I win because I am “awesome”. I believe Im winning because of the time and effort I put into learning the game and becoming better

That is a very nice thought, but no.

if you tried to do that too you would agree, but its easier to assume that you are hunted by the predatory algorithm of course

Unlike you I can understand math.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

trashtalking good players on forum wont get you out of your loss streak, you should stop verbally abusing your team and read your skills and that should be enough to easily get to ruby

I don’t have a loss streak.
I read about the algorithm, laughed at it. played through amber, and left.

Lexander.4579:

these “door nails” you are speaking about are actually complaining about the matchmaking system right here alongside with you

Yes yes people only complain because they are bad.
Perhaps you also think Kim Jong Un is a glorious leader and everyone who complained about him or his system only complains because they are lazy and unpatriotic.
“Oh no, we are starving to death.”
“He must be bad at not starving to death.”
LOL.

Arvin.3124:

To add to this. Call out targets!

It’s amazing how much it can help to just call out a target for your teammates to focus on instead of everyone just attacking random opponents like headless chicken.

Consistent target calling can make a massive difference with regards to effective focus fire in teamfights.

Adding to this, call target if your team have a treb, because it’s massively easier to hit someone with a treb if they have a big cross over their head.

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

i wouldnt say that becoming good comes as “free stuff”, unless of course there is some algorithm conspiracy behind all that where some people are born as good players and some are doomed to be bad

The algorithm hand out win streak to some people and loss streak to others.
And you are probably the only one who isn’t are of this by now.
Or perhaps you thought you won because you were awesome ?

I dont think I win because I am “awesome”. I believe Im winning because of the time and effort I put into learning the game and becoming better

That is a very nice thought, but no.

Lexander.4579:

i wouldnt say that becoming good comes as “free stuff”, unless of course there is some algorithm conspiracy behind all that where some people are born as good players and some are doomed to be bad

The algorithm hand out win streak to some people and loss streak to others.
And you are probably the only one who isn’t are of this by now.
Or perhaps you thought you won because you were awesome ?

Lexander.4579:

MirrorOfNature.4279:

Lexander.4579:

yes i like the new matchmaking i can literally feel how good players like me rise easily to the top while bads who whine about matchmaking and necromancers stay 2 dvisions below us

Good players? Do you have any idea how many terrible players are being carried right now to top divisions, just because they abused and tanked their MMR last season? Now the system consider them good and because of that they ride the win streak wave and think themselves some pvp gods. To be honest if they were that good like you said, they would not want to be carried artifficially by a fundamentally broken system. They would want competitive games, where they can show their skill and emerge from a game with the knowledge that they ACTUALLY earned it and fought hard for it. The fact that the so called “pros” – (and yes the "" is intensional) were completely alright with cleaving through groups of new players a long the way tells me they are way less skilled then they make themselves to be.

The fact that you come here and straight away claim you are a good player, because ‘good players like you EASILY rise to the top ranks.’ is enough to know you are in fact a bad player caught in a lucky win streak. Any system that privilages a certain group of people, while ignoring the rest is not a good system, but its a flawed system.
The only way this system would ever be fair and balanced is if Anet finally open their eyes and remove MMR all together from ranked and league MM. The system must only consider pip range and division standing when calculates a MM.

During this first week, since the league started I lost count how many times I’ve seen some “pro” claiming the system is good, because it carries easily the “good” players through the rank. How is that a good system? And how are those a good players if they need to be held by the hand and carried? Skilled players are supposed to be skilled, right? Why then the so-called pro players are so afraid of facing even matches from the start of the league? Why do they need a system to carry them to the -supposed- high division they belong to. Yes this is the words of most of this supposed skilled players. That they belong in a highest division. Then PROVE IT. Dont have a broken system carry you, but prove that you belong in high division, by facing equally skilled players, not a completely new one. Too afraid of the rude awakening that maybe you are not so good after all? Of course you are, because its such a better ego booster to cleave through hordes of new players and think yourself the best players in the world.

No matter what you believe or like, the system is flawed, its being proven to be flawed, and thats the rude awakening, which you and the others like you will face very soon, when you hit the lose streaks or the 1-2 hours long queues. Enjoy your “amazing” season!

thats quite a large post you’ve got there so ill only focus on its fundamental moment: opposite to the claims you made in your post there are actually very few players who say that the system is good, as it should be, since good players who are the minority are rewarded by the system and bad players which are the large and vocal majority are being encouraged to become better, but instead of improving they are complaining all over the forum and HotM map chat about losing

Nobody will complain about being handed free stuff.

+1 sometimes guilty of not doing this in an intense fight, and has been costly.

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

trashtalking good players on forum wont get you out of your loss streak, you should stop verbally abusing your team and read your skills and that should be enough to easily get to ruby

I am not in a lose streak because I can’t be bothered to play. You happy now ?
The algorithm is broken, it snowballs MMR. Everyone knows about it, and you pretend it’s the players, very quaint.

maybe if you followed my advice you would already start improving yourself instead of losing the time blaming the “algorithm” or MMR

Why I should follow the advise of someone who couldn’t figure out the algorithm is broken ?

you shouldnt really do anything what others tell you, i merely wanted to help, but one can be helped only if they want to be helped

There is nothing you can do to help. If you want to be helpful go read up on the algorithm, understand exactly how it works, and you will see why it’s basically a slot machine.

an algorithm decides for you how you will play and what will be your performance? i dont think so

The algorithm decide that there is nothing I can do to change the outcome.

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

trashtalking good players on forum wont get you out of your loss streak, you should stop verbally abusing your team and read your skills and that should be enough to easily get to ruby

I am not in a lose streak because I can’t be bothered to play. You happy now ?
The algorithm is broken, it snowballs MMR. Everyone knows about it, and you pretend it’s the players, very quaint.

maybe if you followed my advice you would already start improving yourself instead of losing the time blaming the “algorithm” or MMR

Why I should follow the advise of someone who couldn’t figure out the algorithm is broken ?

you shouldnt really do anything what others tell you, i merely wanted to help, but one can be helped only if they want to be helped

There is nothing you can do to help. If you want to be helpful go read up on the algorithm, understand exactly how it works, and you will see why it’s basically a slot machine.

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

trashtalking good players on forum wont get you out of your loss streak, you should stop verbally abusing your team and read your skills and that should be enough to easily get to ruby

I am not in a lose streak because I can’t be bothered to play. You happy now ?
The algorithm is broken, it snowballs MMR. Everyone knows about it, and you pretend it’s the players, very quaint.

maybe if you followed my advice you would already start improving yourself instead of losing the time blaming the “algorithm” or MMR

Why I should follow the advise of someone who couldn’t figure out the algorithm is broken ?

Lexander.4579:

Torafugu.1087:

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

trashtalking good players on forum wont get you out of your loss streak, you should stop verbally abusing your team and read your skills and that should be enough to easily get to ruby

I am not in a lose streak because I can’t be bothered to play. You happy now ?
The algorithm is broken, it snowballs MMR. Everyone knows about it, and you pretend it’s the players, very quaint.

Mysticjedi.6053:

System is great as long as you’re on the side of the equation that thinks you’re a winner. I’ve been on both sides. Truthfully the system eh.
I think they’re getting at the right idea. Where they screwed everyone is when they gave new players an average MMR that skews everything because as those “average” players enter games with are truly average players, and guess what… they aren’t average. They run around do very little or zerg. As a result they end up messing up the truly average players and sinking everyone.

come everyone ! we have a kitten ! come worship him.
Enjoy the free ride up and one hour queue times.

Lexander.4579:

its not season which sucks its players

its not posts which sucks its posters.

MadVisions.4529:

Torafugu.1087:

A dev claimed the game isn’t balanced for duels, but nor is it balanced for anything else, so let’s have duels.

This made me giggle

I dont find this idea needed to be implemented, becouse you can whisp some buddys for 1v1s áll the time. Or visit angz or some other open 1v1 server.

I really wish I could beat some shinies out of my friends. they have so much of it too
Maybe a special duelist track that reward nothing but ectos

simple ranked advise: wait for season 3.

Gwen. One of the most famous hero of the franchise.
And she’s like the class mascot for Mesmers.

it’s really pretty easy to forget something when changing build. I think an error message will do a lot of good to new and old players alike. you don’t start a match and then go “ah CRAP”

Yeah you should get an warning message about missing equipment in spvp when you hit the queue button and get thrown back to the lobby.

Exciton.8942:

Current system is trying to make your ladder place reflect your MMR.
It achieved its designed goal. But whether it creates enough fun games for everyone is very debatable.

It achieved its designed goal. but whether that MMR reflect anything for anyone is very debatable.

A preseason make more sense, please see that thread.

We know, it’s basically a slot machine atm.

1. Around this monday I think. don’t remember.
2. Emerald
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. Not really. win one and lose a few. but always one sided.
6. Nope.

Didn’t play a lot and have no incentive to continue playing.

Tol, what you are experiencing are just another symptom of the snowball problem.
Personal performance is not same as personal score, but he never had this problem until this season, ergo, it has something to do with this season.

Zlater.6789:

I’ve really been having really great fun with pvp this season. While I have been losing a lot and winning a bit less, most of my matches are really close and it’s been satisfying. Just don’t be disswayed by the people on these forums or the people in team chat. I usually swap to combat chat unless I’m in a premade because there are a lot of sore losers in the game, and they always seem to be on my team lol.

There is one thing I noticed, the people who complain and moan the loudest are the ones they are complaining about. So be encouraged, and keep fighting, you’ll get there.

A scam takes two person.
Guess which side this one is on …

Galandil.9641:

Let’s add one thing: if you’re down and there’s your scrapper teammate around, try not to constantly use downed #1 when he uses the stealth gyro to avoid you being stomped.

This also applies to Thief and Mes.
If you are cloaked and downed, please stop attacking.

An idea for solos, by solos.
A third mode of sPvP, beside conquest and stronghold (champion’s dusk).
When you queue for this mode, the MM immediately put you a best of five duels with a random player in your MMR range on a random map. If you queue as a team, the MM breaks up the team and put each team member in a separate duel.
That is dueling only occurs if both participants chose it on their pvp panel. So you can’t queue for champion’s dusk and find yourself in a duel.
There can be a separate MMR for this mode.
This mode gives less reward than regular 5 v 5s, because you can potentially win very fast.
A dev claimed the game isn’t balanced for duels, but nor is it balanced for anything else, so let’s have duels.

Pyriall.1683:

People who keep talking about the slot machine act like it only happens to them. There are people who are making their way through divisions, solo queue and with terrible teammates. Yet, there you sit still blaming a system (it’s not perfect) for your losses while others are making their way through it.

Separately from that, get a team together. It solves all of your problems and you can’t blame the system any longer for your “slot machine” teammates.

Please go and feed the high MMR teams as efficiently as possible. Your master demands.

warriors tend to have poor MMR, so when the system put all the high MMR player on one and low MMR on the other, all the warrior and thieves can end on the same team.

Celeras.4980:

Wait… you mean to tell me there are more bad players than good ones?! So that’s what percentile means…

We are telling you the season stuck itself in snowball hell. People leaving causes longer queue time and that lead to more people leaving.
And pull your head out of the sand about “bad” players. you can put the best player in the world at 300 MMR and he’d never be able to pull out of it as long as he solo queues.

It’s possible to run a computer simulation of the matchmaking system to estimate its capabilities.

First, create models of players with hidden, randomly generated true skill ratings and variance.
Run these models through a series of simulated “matches” where the chance of winning is estimated using the true ratings + random numbers according to true variance.
Compare the rating estimated by the MM with the true values and determine the accuracy of the matchmaking system.

Cyanon.1928:

I’m an experienced sPvP player since game release, I normally soloQ or small party and it has never been an issue, usually 50/50 win/lose ratio

Ranked matches as soloQ used to be playable.. now my teams keep getting destroyed all day…

Anet… What the h….. u did to matchmaking? who told u that matching higher mmr teams with lower mmr was a good idea?

We all know this has everything to do with snowball, and nothing to do with you. Please stop blaming yourself and quit the season. Anet did not pay you enough to playtest their stuff.

Please stop systematically destroying this fine game….

It is not fun anymore….

Demandred.7930:

The system is currently in disequilibrium, this will resolve itself over time. After X games, our final division placement should be an accurate reflection of our MMR. That is, most people will get lots of even matches eventually.

It will not. Because people are quitting.
People that got stuck quit, which cause other people to get stuck because there is nobody left they can beat. they quit too. This also apply to queue times, more people quit the longer the queue time and more people quit.
You can already see this happening and the season is pretty much done.

dominik.9721:

Malediktus.9250:

I prefer grind+skill based one like season 1. Anyone who was decent and spent effort could get to his desired division.

There was no need to be decent last season. A lot of new/bad players got carried in higher divisions simply because of the fact that they got mixed with good ones. I think people like Vingador etc. got legendary after 1,5 weeks somehow.
And exactly those players complain about this season now, because it gets revealed that they aren’t as great as they thought they would be. Some players are stucked in Emerald/Sapphire now and will reach diamond at the end of the season like they deserve it instead of getting legendary after a few weeks.

Even season 2 is far away from being skill-based but saying that you had to be decent in season 1 is pathetic.
But ye some certain people had more success in season 1 so ofc it was more skill-based

Some new/bad player got carried in S2 as well. They don’t even need the effort this time, just the luck to get on a win streak. They don’t admit it neither and think they deserved it.
S2 has nothing to do with skill and everything to do with a slot machine.

BrotherBelial.3094:

The only way a skill based system would work is if everyone had to 1v1 in the league. As 5v5 shows skill of the team, not an individual. Though you can see peoples skill to a degree, but not there true skill.

Correct, the only truly skill based system would be dueling.

All these threads allow stuck people to make faster informed decisions when they come to the forums to see what’s going on. They might be blaming themselves. I knew some people who were still not aware of the snowball situation, these threads let them know and help them quit.

Otherwise they’d just be blaming themselves and hating their life.

Oh Snapalope.1378:

So today I noticed probably a lot of people are quitting PvP because the system in place is just so bad right now. The queue times are getting kind of ridiculous. Ruby is sitting at 30 minutes for me right now. Tweak this junk of a system or this season is dead.

it’s going to get worse because people are quitting. the MM is trapping itself in the snowball hell. talking about irony.

Wolfric, if you are a tanky build, and have stability, it’s usually worth the risk.
That’s why it’s often good to have stability utility just for these situations.

Littlefeather.8623:

Torafugu.1087:

Littlefeather.8623:

Real pvp matches, every .5 seconds matter in what you’re doing, don’t waste time please, don’t rely on reacting so much, sometimes you must be aggressive or at least predict the next 5-10 seconds of the fight to not waste any time.

A lot, or too many times I stop caring about winning or loosing, because in all honesty, for me to see players not playing good and very poorly make me wish I was playing another pvp game, and it’s almost to that point.

We are talking about new people here. they don’t have to be productive all the time, It’s fine as long as they are not dying all the time.

Yes, but in S2, they must be productive if they wish to advance.

But S2 is pointless. Tell them to exit the season for their own good.
I cannot imagine a worse use of time then to participate in S2. maybe the skritt ectoplasm thing, maybe.

Pakkazull.6894:

Torafugu.1087:

MMR decay rate is hidden. We can extrapolate the decay rate from the number of people who have multiple account on different streaks.

So you basically admit you can’t prove it. In fact, if the MMR had been reset/decayed completely at the start of season 1… we’d have had the exact same manure storm that we’re having now. Heck, it’d be even more random than day 1 of season 2. Which it obviously wasn’t.

Torafugu.1087:

The snowball is real, there is nothing to discuss here.

Good thing we aren’t discussing the “snowball” in this thread then.

So everything I can’t prove is false, in fact I can’t prove you exist.
The theory of MMR snowball explains what we observe better than any alternative explanation. It consistent with everything, the long win/loss streaks, players constantly being matched against the same people, two accounts of the same player with drastically different streaks, masses of solo players leaving the season.

Therefore your sophistry on I can’t prove the MMR decay is pointless.
you know what, keep telling yourself you earned that win streak, and everyone’s stuck because that’s where they belong. What you think is your problem, not mine, or a problem for the countless people stuck in the snowball hell.

Littlefeather.8623:

Real pvp matches, every .5 seconds matter in what you’re doing, don’t waste time please, don’t rely on reacting so much, sometimes you must be aggressive or at least predict the next 5-10 seconds of the fight to not waste any time.

A lot, or too many times I stop caring about winning or loosing, because in all honesty, for me to see players not playing good and very poorly make me wish I was playing another pvp game, and it’s almost to that point.

We are talking about new people here. they don’t have to be productive all the time, It’s fine as long as they are not dying all the time.

Nov, it’s a part of the snowball problem.
let’s say there are 10 people within the pip range currently playing.
The MM minimizes variance of MMR of people on the same team, but not between teams
As a result the 5 with higher MMR will always end up in the same team, and the 5 with lower MMR will always end up in the other team.
The only way to avoid this is to fill you team, so the braindead MM have no room to put noobs.

If you are glass mes or thief, don’t try to res because you will die instead.
wait for enemy to attack/ stomp your downed teammate then dump your burst on them. chances are they will be downed instantly.

Ragion.2831:

Honestly i thought this type of post was just people trolling but apparently not. Why are people blaming their losses on the system? Its not like everyone just pushes a button and gets a score.

Don’t you think it is kinda silly to say that your friend won so you should win too?

Even before this system people would lose 6 times in a row then win the next 9. So unless you just started playing PvP or are constantly getting matched againt a team of mostly diamond level players or something (which you wont even be able to tell since this is the second season), your complaint makes no sense.

Because the system is a slot machine at the moment there isn’t even a point playing the matches.

MMR decay rate is hidden. We can extrapolate the decay rate from the number of people who have multiple account on different streaks. The snowball is real, there is nothing to discuss here.

The longer the queue timer, the less people will play, the less people play the longer it gets.
Does this remind you of the matchmaker ?

GL with that. I’d join if I haven’t already quit the season.
Mining iron is more fun and more productive atm.

Just quit the season.
If we all quit the season, more people can’t advance because they don’t have anyone to play against, and quit as well. MM for Sapphire is already extending to like 10 mins.

Revenge of the snowball hell will be ironic indeed.