Guild Wars 2

pdavis.8031:

@non toxic
I’m going to laugh when , yes WHEN, the all the changes that people have been QQing about finally get released. The devs have stated multiple times that they have something in the works, but its not ready to go live yet. So unless they are straight up lying, which they have 0 reason to do so and in doing so would probably cost them their jobs, something IS coming. Its just not ready for launch.

You have to understand that those statements have been made time and time again over the past couple years, with very little to show for it. As much as I want them to have a bunch of updates coming soon to WvW, it’s become very difficult to believe. I’ll link to a couple of quick examples to help explain why the community is so pessimistic:

Devon Carver on the Future of World vs. World – June 5, 2013
WvW achievement changes – August 25, 2013

These may not be the most important issues (aside from the scoring section in 1st link), but it shows that these kinds of statements have been made before. If they weren’t able to implement them, or are no longer planning to, then fine, at least update us. But we don’t receive any kind of communication on this subforum, making it hard to feel anything but ignored.

pdavis.8031:

@non toxic
I’m going to laugh when , yes WHEN, the all the changes that people have been QQing about finally get released. The devs have stated multiple times that they have something in the works, but its not ready to go live yet. So unless they are straight up lying, which they have 0 reason to do so and in doing so would probably cost them their jobs, something IS coming. Its just not ready for launch.

Lord Krall bought a new account?

pdavis.8031:

So unless they are straight up lying, which they have 0 reason to do so and in doing so would probably cost them their jobs, something IS coming. Its just not ready for launch.

They have every reason to lie, if there really is nothing being worked on.
Two years of being told they are working on this that or the other, and two years of only a few bug and glitch fixes. Imagine if they straight up and told us “Sorry we’ve been lying, we’ve not been working on WvW as we dont think it’s worth it”. How many players do you think this game will lose?!

As for costing them their jobs, you should read up on that as well and you’ll be surprised at what goes on apparently.

pdavis.8031:

@non toxic
I’m going to laugh when , yes WHEN, the all the changes that people have been QQing about finally get released. The devs have stated multiple times that they have something in the works, but its not ready to go live yet. So unless they are straight up lying, which they have 0 reason to do so and in doing so would probably cost them their jobs, something IS coming. Its just not ready for launch.

I hate to be a downer, but if they had so many great things in the works, what reason do they possibly have for not telling anybody anything about them?

Oh that’s great, they are working on things. I’ve heard that line for almost 2 years now, so what have they been working on? What have they done? There’s almost zero information given from the staff about WvW. There is no contact between staff and players, other than them asking for our videos to help promote the dying WvW population, I haven’t seen but 2 Dev posts in the WvW section of the forums this week. That is abysmally low.

I can hire 5 people to constantly tell everyone that stuff will eventually happen, but that doesn’t mean anything will ever happen.

pdavis.8031:

@non toxic
I’m going to laugh when , yes WHEN, the all the changes that people have been QQing about finally get released. The devs have stated multiple times that they have something in the works, but its not ready to go live yet. So unless they are straight up lying, which they have 0 reason to do so and in doing so would probably cost them their jobs, something IS coming. Its just not ready for launch.

You have got to be either joking or totally deluded. There is pretty much zero chance anything is in the works. And why would lying about it cost them their jobs? It keeps people like you strung along.

I have some videos of people cheating. If u guys need it for your montage, just ask =D

UrMom.4205:

Next ready up: “next ready up we’ll be showing off Elementalist and Warrior!”
Two weeks later: “next ready up we’ll be showing off Necro and Guardian!”
Two more weeks: “next ready up we’ll be showing off Thief!”
September: Patch launches.

Patch Notes:

Mesmer
Fixed a bug causing the clone generated by Illusionary Leap to travel too quickly.

Mobility, control and awareness are your three most important tools. Although you can manage without mobility, only a seasoned roamer should be able solo travel without being able to disengage.

Watch the map constantly, bind a key so that you can look behind yourself, try to avoid taking obvious paths when going to camps, sentry’s, towers, etc.

Do NOT chase someone when you are in THEIR territory, it’s best only to engage if you absolutely need to. If you have some form of control, which is very important to have when roaming, you should immobilize, stun, cripple, daze, chill, launch, fear, etc. your opponent(s) when they try to escape. Despite what some might think, roaming is not all about 1v1’s, it is an aspect of roaming but not the purpose of it, so when you see other solos, it’s best not to go balls deep immediately upon seeing a red name. Learn your limitations and you’ll die a lot less.

Your objectives are: Kill dolyaks, flip supply/ merc camps, tap keeps/towers, assassinate zerglings, scout enemy positions and relay their actions to your commander and if you’re ballsy enough, stand near enemy zergs to make them lose numbers chasing you down.

Solo roaming, especially in T1 where I am, is a perilous hobby. You will die many times regardless of your skill, sometimes you get blindsided, sometimes you get greedy, sometimes you simply stop paying attention for a few seconds, dying will happen so don’t be discouraged when it does. Solo roaming is a respectable job that can be very helpful for your server if done properly, don’t let gank squads and zerg stomps upset you and you’ll do just fine!

Good luck and remember to use every buff at your disposal, food stacks, guard stacks, everyone does it so should you!

The worst thing is that by karma training they don’t gain nearly as much PPT as they would if they really tried fighting and that ends up being reflected in their glicko score.

Some of the servers could easily paint the entire map one colour, and hold it for the whole matchup if they really tried. But they’d rather let the lose take their BL back, so they can train it down again. They only really try hard if it looks like they might actually slip behind in PPT.

So next week you end up in the same scenario – you fight a server that could wipe the floor with you, but instead they prefer karma training.

People seems to care lot about winning/losing in EotM. Map chat rage is huge when zerg lose fight and won’t get dragonite or loot.

Deniara Devious.3948:

The OP must play on Gandara. The Gandara I knew doesn’t seem the same any more. It was called Gank Dara for a reason. Lots of decent sized guilds and tons of roamers, ambusers and gankers. Fighting like a terrier, sometimes stubbornly instead of going for the easy PPT. Then came the free transfer and massive influx of bandwagoners and the karma train blobs (yes, Gandara does them as well).

Very possibly. Like I said before, I’m one of the aforementioned bandwagoners (the prospect of the then silver league server which seemed to be fairly consistent score wise for zero transfer cost was very attractive) so I wouldn’t know what it used to be like. I do roam primarily though, so hopefully I don’t give the place a bad name :P

That being said, it’s pretty good here, I’ve had more fun here than I did on the lower servers. As you said, coverage vs servers like Desolation is a problem sometimes, but that’s to be expected really, and it’s not like we’re being steamrolled every week. And honestly I’d rather come second or third and have a good week’s fighting than win by 400k, that’s just boring for everyone.

Sure, fighting a zerg with small numbers isn’t always fun, but at least on Gandara there’s always someone willing to go on a suicide mission with me ^^

The OP must play on Gandara. The Gandara I knew doesn’t seem the same any more. It was called Gank Dara for a reason. Lots of decent sized guilds and tons of roamers, ambusers and gankers. Fighting like a terrier, sometimes stubbornly instead of going for the easy PPT. Then came the free transfer and massive influx of bandwagoners and the karma train blobs (yes, Gandara does them as well).

Gandara isn’t doing that badly in the gold league, but it clearly lacks coverage to be in the TOP3. Note: I am talking about coverage, not quality. I can imagine the frustration of those Gandara players who are playing outside their prime time. The times of the easy wins and wins by over 400k are over.

Most of the small roaming guilds are on Kodash and Gandara. If they are not matched against each other, a typical Gandara roaming team will most likely face just enemy zergs or solo roamers, lost zerglings or disorganized enemy PuGs. The likelyhood of “fair” small scale fight are small, because the players who like this type of WvWvW stubbornly stacked on these 2 servers instead of spreading out to multiple servers (which would lead to more fun play).

Gandara lost weeks 28 and 29, but not by a large margin. As a player on the opposing side, I can tell you that we have experienced exactly the same: being outnumbered even on own borderlands and EB (yes, and Gandara against us). I consider it normal. What we lose, we capture back at night. I am actually lifting up my battle spirit when I see the outnumbered “buff” on us. But if a TOP3 EU server sees this regularly I can imagine how empty the game is in silver league outside the peak hours.

If I were on Gandara I would actually tank a bit on purpose and enjoy the summer while it still lasts, but that is actually up to the leadership of your server. We have already seen a lot of servers lose the fun, get internal struggles, many important players getting a burn out and then servers crashing down. And if you stack on the winning server, it might just be the next one on the list of that happening.

Any case, I have personally had a lot of fun in recent weeks. I wish you luck and fun games!

Be aware many posts have been deleted from this thread and infracted. So keep it upbeat and rosy guys!

This is a wonderful idea, I hope they put together a wonderful montage of all the videos and showcase how great wvw is, how great it’s been developed and what a bright future with many changes just around the corner there will be!!

Somehow they must be making more money this way. It’s the only explanation. It’s not made the game any better that for sure!

Well, I just tried to do the event to unlock my new “Read the wind” ability because i REFUSE to pay more gold.

And was immediately throw into overflow sigh where is the megaserver?! And there is nobody there, no event.

So it’s now either wait days for some dumb event or waste 20 skill points and 3g on an ability that I SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY DEFAULT!!!

I’m forced to participate in some stupid Arrah and kill a high wizard that doesn’t exist and that I cannot kill on my own.

You’re penile guess is the reason most of the time.

However one time I was fighting these two Charr on my upleveled Engi. And they downed me. But this Moa had been drawn into the fight.

So they stood there watching me downed and fighting the Moa. The Moa killed me. Lol, even I laughed at that one.

One of the Char starts /laughing and all I could think was, “Laugh it up fuzzball.” Wish I’d have partied him and said that to him wouldda been a great laugh.

anet are you okay?

The problem with Mesmer support builds is that if you go all the way, you’re likely going to miss some fairly crucial skills. And if you want to actually be usefull… You’re going to miss out on the support part.

For example, a standard shatter build (4/4/0/0/6) will perform great in terms of damage and can be a flanker/skirmisher, but you’re going to want the basic survival skills – blink and decoy. That leave very little options for the third skill. If you’re the only Mesmer well then there is little choice. You need veil. If you’re lucky enough not to need it, you probably want null field but there are some other good things you want in a zerg – stability mantra or cleansing mantra for example.

If you run a glamour support build, you can dedicate yourself to veil, feedback and nullfield, possibly even having portal always equipped. These builds generally go down trees that also give you good survival traits – phantasmal regen, menders purity, etc. BUT doing so will leave your offensive capabilities and defensive skills crippled. Good luck trying to avoid a zerg running over you without blink or stability mantra. Good luck trying to catch up to the group when you cant even kill an upscaled ranger.

Its so kitten painful when a raid leader comes in yelling “OMG VEIL!!!” and “kitten WHERE IS PORTAL NEED IT NOW!!!” and then you die because you didnt have blink, stability and decoy… its your fault the enemy ressed. Even better are the raidleaders that think you can just swap to veil when you’re about to engage a zerg and then swap back to blink, like its all fine and dandy. Trust me I’ve been there. Mesmer is a hard class to enjoy when zerging.

In the end, the best thing for a 20 man group is around 3-4 Mesmers talking together about what skills are used so you can pick a couple each (ie veil, portal and null field) instead of trying to make that perfect “group build”.

But of course, good luck finding 3 other Mesmers in the raid. We’re so OP and popular we’re invisible all the time.

Ragnar.4257:

If EoTM were adjusted to be more PvP-friendly and rewarding to tactical-play, and if all the farmers/trains were removed, would the result be large-scale PvP in EoTM, or would the result be an empty map?

Empty map. All the people who play wvw purely for the fights are busy fighting each other in real wvw and don’t want to play in the cramped, awful eotm landscape. All the people who play for capturing and defending points don’t want to play on an imbalanced map where there is zero incentive to capture and hold something.

I can see some major griefing with this… imagine, anyone could tag up and take a piece of siege then sit on it.

On this subject however, they do need to allow golems to be taken by the person who dropped it like any other siege.

Unfortunately, that’s the way it is atm. I moved from Whiteside Ridge to Ruins of Surmia last year, and from there to Gandara before WvW season 2, because I too often found myself in the position you described, worse sometimes as some days I was the only person from my server in a borderland. The lower servers are really unstable, I might not like T2 for the size of the groups sometimes but at least it’s easy to consistently find people to fight with.

Tbh I still love playing my thief for roaming, and my ranger for zerging (I’ll roam on it when I L2P a bit more), and I vary which I play depending on the matchup. I’m here for the skirmish fights more than the strategic defence though. If you play another class with less mobility, being constantly outnumbered sucks balls.

Already been suggested that the matches be cut into three 8 hour shifts.

This way you can easily see if a server is winning by skill, or by coverage. It would make the points awarded to each server more realistic as well. Why should a server which dominates during their primetime be penalized because the enemy have people capping during the night and early mornings?!

Random zerker build work in PvE and WvW?! What is this sorcery!!!

Well my thoughts on the issue are that if you can kill a person on the other side of a gate with a greatsword then you can rez a person on the other side of the gate. Still would love to hear a definitive however.

When it’s a zerg, its because they defeated you.

Yes, then being wiped several times in smaller groups by your small group, had to resort to bringing in their entire server, grouping together into one single massive zerg, all in order to kill your small group.

They then laugh at you because of it, that they needed more people to defeat you because you are better than them.

Yeah, it’s silly but it happens all the time. All you can do is laugh at it, they see greater numbers as being better skilled. But that is how WvW has ended up being, its all about numbers and coverage.

Theftwind.8976:

Interesting! Someone decided to change the title of the thread for me

That’s confirmation that someone has seen your thread. Yet you have not been infracted for posting about exploits and the thread has not been deleted.

I think we may conclude that gate rezzing is permitted.

I did this last night. Confounding Suggestions made each daze after the first into a stun.

Illusionary Leap + Daze Mantra + Pistol Stun + Stalled Daze Shatter (2 clones) + Signet of Domination + Chaos Storm (2 stuns) + Moa Morph = TROLOLOLOLOL!

The Necro sent me hate mail. It was delicious.

When asked to port people to various places, I find the nearest cliff or ledge.

These hands are red with the blood of the innocent.

Swamurabi.7890:

It’s come to this:

The most popular threads on the first page of the WvW Discussion forum have devolved into talking about talking instead of talking about issues.

Well there we have it, we’ve reached the endgame of GW2.