Guild Wars 2

Yeah I already edited out the water part

All sigils with a cooldown share the cooldown.

He’s just talking crap. Staying in water isn’t viable not even in hotjoin.

If you want to talk about how to fix a subject you first have to know everything about that subject. You just showed you don’t even know the very basics about elementalists. Therefore your opinion is invalid.

ZLE.8293:

I just did what 99% of the complainers do:post a video with big numbers,cut from the actual gameplay and then drawing conclusion from it. You maybe feel it doesn’t go that way?That it isn’t right?Welcome to the club m8.Now you can feel a little bit of what we feel all the time…

I play both ele and thief. Thief GC is extremely viable, ele is not at all. All your ranting doesn’t help that you don’t play ele.

Andres.3971:

my ele is a thief :P

Awesome, what set are those pants from?

Highlet.8039:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

How do you guys get on swap sigils to work on a class that cant swap weapons?

This guy is one of the more vocal whiners on how to “fix” the ele on these boards. Let that sink in for a while.

I’ve long since decided that he is nothing but a troll.

Not a single ele specs GC in tourney, yet all thieves do. That’s all the proof you need.

Also it would do you well not to call me a liar.

You don’t need those cooldowns to backstab.

Look at the link I posted, thiefs are allready whining like hell about this.

I play a thief too so whats your point?

ZLE.8293:

And yes opponent was maybe afk but i don’t see any difference if he wasn’t.

Totally unrealistic video. Ele damage is about 10% of that under normal conditions.

a) player has to be above 90% health. Unrealistic.
b) target has to be below 25% health. Overkill.
c) target has to be afk to not dodge/use a stunbreaker. Unrealistic.
d) player uses 2 utilities and all long cooldown weapon skills. Free kill afterwards.

So stop comparing this video to thieves. Thieves do this amount of damage all the time without any significant cooldown inbetween AND they can escape unharmed afterwards because of stealth.

Well that is kittened up.

The crit sigils do NOT share cooldown with weaponswap sigils.

The thief whining has already begone thanks to this video…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Yet-another-Underpowered-class

Yasha.5963:

OP just pointing out a mistake in your thread title; shouldn’t it read:

“Burst is king so PvP Elementalist FTW”

?

It’s not opposite day.

Now at least we know which guy to thank for the next nerf.

I feel like never actually starting this crap game anymore.

/seconded

Why do rangers always get immediate dev responses on patchday, but we don’t? Because arenanet doesn’t frakking care about ele that’s why.

It’s not that bunkers got nerfed Arc. ELE bunkers got GUTTED. Guardian and engineer bunkers got BUFFED.

So much fore “but we have to test all these changes”. Hypocrits.

Lifelike.5862:

Aether McLoud.1975:

Lifelike.5862:

MasterDeere.3417:

conjure weapon IS crap since it remove access to you others regular skills. You cant buff crap and expect to get something else than buffed crap.

Sounds like you just don’t know how to use conjured weapons. The idea is to summon, use a few skills, then drop them strategically to re-gain access to your regular skills. Your skills are still available to you at all times, you just have to learn to drop your kit.

Sounds like you don’t pvp. Conjures are utterly, completely, frakking, useless in pvp. No matter how many buffs they give.

Just like non-bunker builds are utter, completely, frakking useless in PvP, right?

For ele yes.
For all other classes no.

Arc.9374:

Aether McLoud.1975:

Then explain why Bunker guardians, mesmers and warriors were left alone, but ele bunkers got nerfed to the ground?

If you think Ele’s were nerfed into the ground you need to quit the game and go do something else with your life, because you either can’t see through your own blind bias and understand the actual effects of the changes, or because you’re completely terrible.

Stop being so melodramatic.

(Also – Guardian block bug has been fixed, mesmers don’t bunker very well and had a lot of mobility and targetting changes, and if you think warriors are somehow overpowered I have no kittening clue what to say).

It would do you good to stop using ad hominems which makes your whole argument useless.

Also bunker guardians got BUFFED even.

So stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Lifelike.5862:

MasterDeere.3417:

conjure weapon IS crap since it remove access to you others regular skills. You cant buff crap and expect to get something else than buffed crap.

Sounds like you just don’t know how to use conjured weapons. The idea is to summon, use a few skills, then drop them strategically to re-gain access to your regular skills. Your skills are still available to you at all times, you just have to learn to drop your kit.

Sounds like you don’t pvp. Conjures are utterly, completely, frakking, useless in pvp. No matter how many buffs they give.

Title says it all. Apparently bunker guardians are completely OK (hell they got a 2 seconds buff on one of their protection moves), as are mesmers and warriors.

But ele bunkers? NERF THEM TO THE GROUND.

TO THE GROUND.

Then explain why Bunker guardians, mesmers and warriors were left alone, but ele bunkers got nerfed to the ground?

Gaudrath.6725:

Lol man, to each his own, but the moment I stop having fun playing a game, is the moment I stop playing the game. If I want serious stuff, I can get plenty of that in everyday life.

You don’t do competitive pvp then stopping talking about it kitten

fixit.7189:

Yea, they let other bunkers go unscathed.

Explain that logic.

Jon Peters said it in the ranger thread: They have 2 people working on class balance. One plays a thief and a guardian, the other a mesmer and a warrior.

Well I’ll jump the “get the frak out of this game” bandwagon. With the way anet handled ele since the last beta weekends and after release we will NEVER see a proper class balance patch. NEVER.

If you play competetive PVP you play for numbers, of course.

Fun doesn’t have anything to do with it.

Well apparently “As you can see a lot changed in this build for every profession and we have to test these changes as well.” doesn’t mean that they test changes either.

Dragon’s tooth no longer a blast finisher.
Aura traits no longer working with combo field auras.
Mist form CD reduction STILL NOT FRAKKING WORKING.

Gaudrath.6725:

At least our conjured weapons got a buff!

The only real nerf was the removal of blast finishers on evasive arcana. But, that was a bug that people took for granted and built their playstyles around.

It also was our only viable spec.

Also boon duration nerfs, healing ripple nerf.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Don-t-hold-out-people-Jon-Peters-won-t-show/first#post746290

Pretty much.

How about some statement about gutting eles?

LOL even more nerfs. FRAK YOU ARENENET FRAK YOU TO HELL.

They are ALL gone.

lol mouse get real.

I can see the arenanet meeting a week ago:

Dev A: Elementalists have 1 viable spec!
Dev B: Preposterous! NERF TO THE GROUND!
Dev A: TO THE GROUND!

MasterDeere.3417:

Aether McLoud.1975:

That’s gone now. As am I. Arenanet doesn’t know frak about balancing. Can’t say it was fun until now because it actually wasn’t.

The question now is: since Anet have no clue about balancing a game, should we keep playing it?

I for one won’t.

mouse.1689:

thetreebranch.4831:

mouse.1689:

Bunker Ele needed nerfs and Ride the Lightning/Magnetic Grasp needed fixes. Both things happened. Good patch for Elementalists, imo.

Ele also desperately needed buffs in a few trait lines (fire and air).

All classes need improvements to their trait lines. They’ll happen eventually. In this patch they fixed some of the worst Ele bugs and nerfed only what was actually a problem. The changes aren’t particularly interesting, but they were right on target, imo.

You cannot completely gut the only viable build a class has in a patch and not give them a single buff to compensate.

Ele is dead. PVP is dead. This game is dead.

This patch is a frakking joke. I would have been OK with completely destroying bunkers if we got a viable damage option, which we don’t. Fact is evasive arcane was our only viable spec.

That’s gone now. As am I. Arenanet doesn’t know frak about balancing. Can’t say it was fun until now because it actually wasn’t.

NOT AT ALL.

Todays patch was make or break. And those lunatics even nerfed eles more and did not give us a single bug. Stay away from this profession. Better yet stay away from the game because anet doesn’t know frak about pvp balancing it seems.

Hopes:
- Fix ALL the bugs
- RTL counts as dodging
- Damage buff and/or cooldown reduce on most of our damage abilities
- Huge underwater damage buff

Expectations:
- Bunker builds get nerfed to the ground
- Evasive arcana no longer a blast finisher

With a bunker build tornado is ~16 seconds of “noone contests this point for now” because of all the knockbacks. Other than that it’s aweful, and without a bunker spec you’ll just die while tornadoed.

How a thief can spin really fast can reflect projectiles but a immaterial tornado gets hit by them I’ll never understand.

Inspired by Avatar Korra

LOL. That’s pretty much the definition of a bunker build. Moving on.

Zunhar.4079:

Pyrial.2917:

@Zunhar, that is the current model though. Stealth, with the number of ways to access it is one of the best defensive mechanics in the game and it’s tied to warrior level of burst.

As you’re saying that stealth is the only defensive mechanice, then again put it on par with the longer cd defensive mechanics of other classes. As it is now, specs are littered with the ability to enter into stealth virtually at will. Stealth for 5 inititiative…combined with auto attack damage while rebuilding it is over the top.

As Daays said, Cloak and Dagger, which is the best way to enter stealth, costs 6 initaitve which is half of a Thieves entire skill bar of initiative, so Thieves definitely can’t go into stealth “at will”.
I know where you are coming from. Its frustrating to fight an opponent that you can’t see half the match. The rendering issue should be fixed, and then stealth looked at.
Not to be “that guy”, but if you die to auto attack something is wrong.

Cloak & Dagger also does a frakload of damage. And every selfrespecting stealth thief has 15 points into trickery giving him 15 initiative. And a lot of other traits that give iniative…

I’ve had these MASSIVE lag spikes yesterday pretty much all evening. EU so no sandy issue.

If this wasn’t possible, blinds would be useless.

No. Vanilla WoW did this and it lead to stuff like having to wait 1 year to get basic design failures/bugs of your class fixed.