Guild Wars 2

I’m not quite sure what you mean, dragon minions? auras?

we also have a bunch of darkness themed items, Cauterized weapons, Shadow weapons, Sunless weapons, etc

While I would like such an infusion, I have to ask, do you, or does anyone in your vicinity, have an infusion? if not, please reconsider the request, because by then you’ll know how rare they are. I’ve seen a few infusions along the way, but wanting one is just way beyond the power of a wallet

for a more precise example:

Normal boosted
Superior Sigil Of Giving An Example: 3% of toughness is converted to power

3% of 1,100 = 11*3 = 33
Power: 1,822 > 1,855 (1,822+33)
Toughness: 1,100 > 1,100

Konig Des Todes.2086:

To me looks more like a lump of armor protecting where they meet the back (the wings go underneath that piece of armor).

ye, as I said, it’s all possible, it’s just not possible to say with certainty either way is true until we see a living mursaat without the backpiece.

Abraxxus.8971:

It’s probably just the screams of the people who were killed in the Scarlet’s attack on Lion’s Arch…maybe

Incoming, LA Gorseval

I think the picture very well explains the problem.
Maybe we should have like a selfkill button for pvp?

I mean, I would like to say “don’t like it, don’t do it”
but the problem with this is that it requires dev attention that’s withdrawn from raiding, LS or other content. And it adds weapons that break immersion worse than a set of huge wings. And lets not forget the miniatures with their cringy 8-bit sounds.. Sorry, but this ‘festival’ does actually do harm

>you have 1000 toughness
>25% of toughness is converted to vitality
>you have 1000 toughness and 250 vitality

I hope that makes it clear

I get it was an april joke back then, but it has no place in this world whatsoever, and only creates a lot of noise in the rest of the world.. isn’t it time we get rid of it?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Well, I use the term “wings” because I recall such terms used in-game. I doubt that they can be used as birds or bats or insects can use theirs. But they do seem to be actually part of the physiology of the mursaat rather than just an ornament.

are they though, they do seem fully functional on us as backpacks. I mean, I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I don’t see how it’s right either. We just need to see a mursaat taking off his backpack and then see if the black feathers are still around or not. without that, I don’t think it’s fair to say either way. The feathers could be attached to the back, attached to the ornamental backpiece, or it could be a manifestion of magic or aura, something else altogether

please don’t bring up these topics, it’s bad enough one dev has to waste their time to turn it on. I just kinda hope it has some terrible bug so they decide to just stop with this SAB travesty

Danikat.8537:

kurfu.5623:

Does that mean that female characters would be able to run around with exposed nipples?

I’m pretty sure female characters don’t actually have nipples. Designers don’t tend to waste time adding features to character models they are not allowed to show.

That would come under the “can’t just copy across the existing skins because the models are different shapes” category of reasons this wouldn’t be a quick change to make – they’d have to modify some of the armour sets for various reasons.

I think Charr have nipples, but they are covered by fur, so they can show bare chests.
Asura are a .. unique.. thingy. They can also show bare chests, without a nipple. And to be honest, considering their evolutionary line and how close they are to amphibious ancestors, I don’t think they really have nipples at all (even if this were a mature game)

I have no objection to the idea behind the proposal, rather than the proposal itself.
I’m consecutively against every proposal that doesn’t add anything functionally to the game. Wearing opposite gender clothes won’t make me fight better in raids, kill dragon minions more efficiently, or skritt against braham for ignoring orders of a superior commanding officer.

NikeEU.7690:

Supz.9836:

For what its worth, its what made me pretty much quit GW2 (I have logged on occasionally but no where near as much as pre HoT, so sad because GW2 was meant to be the MMO without the grind) was so excited about HoT too.

Not sure why raiding changed anything for you since if you choose not to raid your experience remains exactly the same.

No no no, didn’t you know. Because a bakery opened up in town, all the other shops had to close.

Vayne.8563:

OniGiri.9461:

Amaimon.7823:

I raid Daily/weekly/monthly
this option completely ruins the poll. It’s not a bash to you, it but it just shows that nothing of value will come out of it.
Someone who tags along for a raid with some friends who happen to have a space left, will now be “actively raiding” as someone who does every every boss, every week, at the earliest convenience

I understand. But would someone regularly tag along on raids if he didnt enjoyed them or at least was interested in them? Because that is all i was interested in.

I raid every week with my guild. If they didn’t need me and my wife to make 10 we wouldn’t do it at all. It’s not my preference. I don’t enjoy it. But I am a team player and I will help out my guild.

There’s an elaboration, some people join raids not so much because they want to raid but just because they want to part of a group activity and are like “whatever”.

I don’t hate the bunny ears as much as the people who disrespect themselves so much that they would buy them. but when compared do the Job-O-Tron backpack, and the SAB minis and items, they’re not that bad. There are unfitting visuals I see one a week at best. And then there are the annoying vocal “weeee-you-jumped!” I hear almsot everyday because some obnoxious skritt bought the backpack and is running around with it.

I raid Daily/weekly/monthly
this option completely ruins the poll. It’s not a bash to you, it but it just shows that nothing of value will come out of it.
Someone who tags along for a raid with some friends who happen to have a space left, will now be “actively raiding” as someone who does every every boss, every week, at the earliest convenience

deltaconnected.4058:

Amaimon.7823:

They actually advertise 2 versions:
BDGM without gear check, which is compliant with anet’s wishlist.

Can’t seem to find it on BGDM’s site. Care to toss me a link to where?

http://gw2bgdm.blogspot.se/p/faq.html

But I see it’s changed, it now says:
“COMPATIBLE WITH GAME UPDATE
FEBRUARY 22nd, 2017 [BUILD: 72,781]
BGDM is now officially allowed by ANET!
IMGUI BETA IS NOW LIVE!!!
HELP!!! I WANT THE OLD UI BACK!
CLICK HERE FOR THE OLD VERSION OF THE FAQ”

So they just removed the link to gearchecking version altogether

deltaconnected.4058:

ZoSo.4867:

I just did a fractal run and apparently everyone in the group had dps meters that let you see everyones dps and gear and all gave me a mouth full at the end for not using the ‘meta’ build. I didn’t concent to people being able to see my stuff they definitely need to not allow this!

You’re not imagining things, one of the meters advertised as the “big 3” isn’t compliant with ANets new rules. I woke up to a couple is this thread real questions, and made a short guide in a reddit post on how users can investigate 3rd party tools themselves to see how truthful the claims of compliance are. Not that it mattered. Apparently advertising tools is ok, but posting that certain tools are not ok is not ok.

So the tl;dr:
1) yes, BGDM contains gearcheck in current builds against ANet’s wishes.
2) yes, it is “hidden” behind a single ini key. This option is not mentioned anywhere on BGDM’s site.
3) yes, by the amount of replies in that thread that mysteriously knew it was related to ini keys, it is being shared exclusively with members of the community.
Anyone who’s used a debugger enough to find how to search module for string references can find it if you don’t believe me.

A different way to look a this: if a tool contained hidden functionality that gathered all resources from a map using all your characters automatically, was advertised as not having this functionality, and then it was shared exclusively that it does in fact do this, does an anticheat system that looks for the presence of a mod care about how the mod is configured? I can say with a 100% guarantee that the answer to this is no. Effectively you’re meat in the shield of ‘they can’t ban all of us if only some of us use the non-tos-compliant option’.

They actually advertise 2 versions:
BDGM without gear check, which is compliant with anet’s wishlist.
And a complete BDGM which isn’t compliant with anet’s wishlist. when you download the button actually says in red that anet does not approve of that version. If you’re sure someone is seeing your gear and stats, and not just basing it on watching you play, then you should report them. Anet can see when you have an addon like bdgm up and can see if you actually saw someone’s gear.

castlemanic.3198:

@amaimon

actually healing someone who was going to die without magical intervention could still fall into the domain of those who “escaped death” i feel.

yea, I don’t really disagree, but as I said, it’s a battle of semantics. Where do you draw the line between surviving, and escaping death. and sometimes it’s not necessarily magic, like some wounds can be healed quite easily without magic, given you have the proper tools to do so. Is that also “escaping death”, or just luck of being in the right place at the right time.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

• Dhuum was against resurrection and undead because he was an unfair god. It’s said that he had hunted down anyone who “escaped death” (exact meaning unknown, but could easily mean anyone who received healing magic for a fatal wound and survived just as well as meaning those resurrected/turned undead).

In a battle of semantics, just because we don’t want to die, was Dhuum an unfair god?
I’m not arguing that he’s not a kind god, but was he unfair? In fact, the whole point that made him say “death undeniable”, wouldn’t that make him the fairest god of all since he doesn’t discriminate or can be bribed/corrupted. I don’t think healing of a fatal wound counts, since the soul/spirit is still in the living body then. But after that, once your spirit leaves the body, then it was Dhuum’s wish that it would never, ever return.

Simple rule of thumb:
Will a party be formed to do the advertised content: Then yes, it is allowed. This includes running content for others in exchange of compensation.

What is, however, not allowed, is to advertise groups that are not forming parties for the intended content. E.g., it is not allowed to advertise selling runs that won’t take place right away, nor is it allowed to advertise to guilds, as neither leads to the forming of a party that will do raids at that point.

(Maybe we should get an extra tab in the pve section, and the raid section, for these advertisements. I’ve been reporting them for a while now, but it seems there are too many for anet to filter them out)

So in short: if you make an application in the raiding tab: will it lead to a party that does the advertised content at that time (so not: selling Gorseval, 50g, monday evening), then yes, it’s allowed.

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Amaimon.7823:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

OniGiri.9461:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

OniGiri.9461:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Feanor.2358:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Shaogin.2679:

But nobody is answering my question! Is there really a dps meter available that accurately shows my dps and the dps of my team with my team having to consent to providing me this information in any way?

Yes it’s called BGDM, as others have posted in the thread, the consent is given by you using the Meter and joining a party or squad that uses it as well.

• and keeping its networking enabled. You can disable it and only use it to see your own performance. Personally, I think this is a pretty decent middle ground and I don’t think there’s any reason to complain about it.

but some of us here do think there is a very good reason to complain and not want
add ons in this game at all for this very easy and most simple reasons .

that is this the use of dps meters turns guild wars 2 into world of warcraft . and thus will only let in more add on junk to come to this game of guild wars 2 that will let hackers take over your acount and the game its self . and more

not only that but with the add ons being allowed in this game . it will bring other bad things like mounts and take way from the game even more

and doing all this will only fully drive more people away from this game then it has already done

mounts? pls explain how the usage of an external tool will lead to this?

ummm i already just did that thank you very much . and if you really want that answer
then go and get wow and play it . and see just how long it takes for your acount there to get hacked with the use of add ons . and see how it works for you . and even tho i do play wow . i do not use any add ons at all . never have and never will . and do not wish to see them in this game . as it will only drive more people away from the game than it has done now . like i already have said . oh and a have a nice day

Sorry it seems i am not as smart and experienced as you. Can you explain in simple words how using dps meters will lead to the game getting mounts?

i did not say that and please do not put words in my mouth too that i did not say . ok ???

you ask nicely so its like this they say ok to dps meters . look back lets say 6 months later and ok that went great and very well . lets say now how they like mounts add to the game . even tho there is already kinda of in a round about way a form of mounts in the game . with the flying carpet . so maybe in a way they put they did put the horse before the cart this time maybe lol

See Bolded Sections, you said allowing Dps meters would cause mounts to be added. So yes you did say that.

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Feanor.2358:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Shaogin.2679:

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• and keeping its networking enabled. You can disable it and only use it to see your own performance. Personally, I think this is a pretty decent middle ground and I don’t think there’s any reason to complain about it.

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not only that but with the add ons being allowed in this game . it will bring other bad things like mounts and take way from the game even more

grass is blue sky is red my nails are purple . i fail to even see your point is other than maybe you can copy and paste stuff together well to make up something at best

the point here was that you literally said that addons would lead to mounts. When we ask you to back that up, you say you never said that. So we quote what you said, and then you come with some rebuttal like that. At least now we know that you’re not here to have a proper discussion so we can save our energy on people who actually want to have a conversation.

oh thanks for letting me know that . now i gotten great news of the day . ahh you still fail to get my points . and that is this even tho mini pets have been in the get go . even tho dps meters have not . making this game to be more like wow than guild wars its self even .

Now you’re suddenly switching the argument to minipets. You do realize that minipets are as old as the day Guild Wars 1: Prophecies was released, do you?
And we’re most certainly not missing any points, I think our shotguns pierced right through them

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

OniGiri.9461:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

OniGiri.9461:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Feanor.2358:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Shaogin.2679:

But nobody is answering my question! Is there really a dps meter available that accurately shows my dps and the dps of my team with my team having to consent to providing me this information in any way?

Yes it’s called BGDM, as others have posted in the thread, the consent is given by you using the Meter and joining a party or squad that uses it as well.

• and keeping its networking enabled. You can disable it and only use it to see your own performance. Personally, I think this is a pretty decent middle ground and I don’t think there’s any reason to complain about it.

but some of us here do think there is a very good reason to complain and not want
add ons in this game at all for this very easy and most simple reasons .

that is this the use of dps meters turns guild wars 2 into world of warcraft . and thus will only let in more add on junk to come to this game of guild wars 2 that will let hackers take over your acount and the game its self . and more

not only that but with the add ons being allowed in this game . it will bring other bad things like mounts and take way from the game even more

and doing all this will only fully drive more people away from this game then it has already done

mounts? pls explain how the usage of an external tool will lead to this?

ummm i already just did that thank you very much . and if you really want that answer
then go and get wow and play it . and see just how long it takes for your acount there to get hacked with the use of add ons . and see how it works for you . and even tho i do play wow . i do not use any add ons at all . never have and never will . and do not wish to see them in this game . as it will only drive more people away from the game than it has done now . like i already have said . oh and a have a nice day

Sorry it seems i am not as smart and experienced as you. Can you explain in simple words how using dps meters will lead to the game getting mounts?

i did not say that and please do not put words in my mouth too that i did not say . ok ???

you ask nicely so its like this they say ok to dps meters . look back lets say 6 months later and ok that went great and very well . lets say now how they like mounts add to the game . even tho there is already kinda of in a round about way a form of mounts in the game . with the flying carpet . so maybe in a way they put they did put the horse before the cart this time maybe lol

See Bolded Sections, you said allowing Dps meters would cause mounts to be added. So yes you did say that.

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Feanor.2358:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Shaogin.2679:

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• and keeping its networking enabled. You can disable it and only use it to see your own performance. Personally, I think this is a pretty decent middle ground and I don’t think there’s any reason to complain about it.

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not only that but with the add ons being allowed in this game . it will bring other bad things like mounts and take way from the game even more

grass is blue sky is red my nails are purple . i fail to even see your point is other than maybe you can copy and paste stuff together well to make up something at best

the point here was that you literally said that addons would lead to mounts. When we ask you to back that up, you say you never said that. So we quote what you said, and then you come with some rebuttal like that. At least now we know that you’re not here to have a proper discussion so we can save our energy on people who actually want to have a conversation.

Current PvE meta? slam your head on the keyboard, did your enemy die? good job, have a beer, did it not die? either take a beer anyway or come to the forum and complain about how horrible it’s designed.

And for some reason I heard Zero Punctuation’s voice when I wrote this down

Feanor.2358:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Feanor.2358:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Shaogin.2679:

But nobody is answering my question! Is there really a dps meter available that accurately shows my dps and the dps of my team with my team having to consent to providing me this information in any way?

Yes it’s called BGDM, as others have posted in the thread, the consent is given by you using the Meter and joining a party or squad that uses it as well.

• and keeping its networking enabled. You can disable it and only use it to see your own performance. Personally, I think this is a pretty decent middle ground and I don’t think there’s any reason to complain about it.

but some of us here do think there is a very good reason to complain and not want
add ons in this game at all for this very easy and most simple reasons .

that is this the use of dps meters turns guild wars 2 into world of warcraft . and thus will only let in more add on junk to come to this game of guild wars 2 that will let hackers take over your acount and the game its self . and more

not only that but with the add ons being allowed in this game . it will bring other bad things like mounts and take way from the game even more

and doing all this will only fully drive more people away from this game then it has already done

Lots of statements, zero reasoning. You get points for doomsaying, but you don’t really expect to be taken seriously, do you?

I woldn’t give him the satisfaction of calling them “statements”
I’ve played WoW for quite some time and I have never experienced this “ruin” he speaks of

A dev actually elaborated on the problem.
Different races have different skeletons, and when they sat down in chairs, which during beta was an actual thing, they started glitching out in the worst ways.
The only way they could fix it was make four seperate chais for the four skeletons they use, but then you’d have to see 4 different chairs in game and you can only sit down in one of them. Maybe one day we’ll get a chair for the GH, which you craft yourself so you know the compatible skeleton, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for it

[Seasonal Slot] [Item 1] [Item 2] [Lucky Extra Slot]
I personally dislike the seasonal slot, as it effectively devalues the 125 gems you pay for a key.. but whatever.. If they make that slot a normal one as well, I’d maybe actually buy keys from time to time, but with this I’ll never buy keys, not even on discount

thank you for the help. I will try your pathname method.
@Cedo, thanks for the suggestion, but I would much prefer not to use software of any kind, since it’s often hard to tell how picky anet it when they have their banning spree on third party software. It’s propably safe, but an acount as old as gw2 with all the effort put it, I’d rather avoid all sources of jeopordy if possible

Daddicus.6128:

Tanner Blackfeather.6509:

Folks, OP has already explained that due to Blue/Gray color blindness, a particular zoom level, and the color palette of Ember Bay they couldn’t see the waypoints. I.e. there was a misunderstanding thinking there were no waypoints!

True, but I still don’t like not having the option of getting to the map without paying.

so the entire point is now “I don’t want to have to pay waypoint fees to go somewhere”?
gods, I wish I had your troubles

is it possible to have two shortcuts to the same game? and save different login credentials in them. It would save me some hassle if someone knows if this is possible. I’m not looking to multibox or anything, I’ll just be playing one acount at a time, but it’ll save me time from typing login credentials everytime.

Behellagh.1468:

DeWolfe.2174:

Ok I Did It.2854:

DeWolfe.2174:

idk, the leather farm did nothing and isn’t very good. Think I’ll spend today farming and see what can be done about leather.

This is not true, the leather farm works great, the problem is ppl still want things handed to them, and don’t want to put any effort into farming themselves, they want Anet to step in and nerf it.

Price of T6 leather sections since farm released…..

Nice cherry picking of the graph. Here’s a better one.

Fear grips casual hoarders who sell to speculators. “Word” spreads that the farm is “too hard” and “isn’t worth it” so prices slowly recover back to where they were after a few weeks. Speculators win!

Your graph looks like
1. Fear: the farm is announced, marketeers think the price is gonna plummet
2. Actualization: doom is upon us all
3. Wait.. did they do anything? didn’t they say they were gonna fix leather.. why is everything still the same. Back to expensive leather, people!

so you just want a bland creature without a name following you?
I wish for the exact opposite, allowing us to give names to the minions we rise

Sister Saxifrage.7361:

Forge-swapping is awesome, but just be aware that it changes the skin of the item to the generic crafted skin; if you’re in love with the original look of the bow you’ll need to use a transmutation charge to get it back.

to recôppe on that, you can just explore any of the capital cities for a transmutation charge, or do like 2 or 3 pvp matches, but yea, as they said, transmuting ascended items returns it to it’s “native state” which is the “Antique Weapon” such as “Crimson Antique Longbow” for the Zojja’s (berserker) or “Terracotta Antique Longbow” for Yassith’s (Sinister) and Veratha (Viper)

Sublimatio.6981:

why would you pick someone up from downstate. if they managed to get downed they are liability and ressing them just so they can die again is a huge dps loss. just solo

On your left you see the perfect example of someone who has never worked in a team setting before, and is unable to rationally partake in any group content. Now, if you would look to your left..

Astralporing.1957:

Ardid.7203:

Those aren’t limitations, those are are features.
GW2 is not a trinity game.

They are both, actually. The existence of dodge, for example, has a massive impact on design of harder content. There’s a reason why more and more mechanics are being made undodgeable (remember, when you see some major combat mechanic elements getting flat out ignored in an encounter, it means those mechanics create a design problem).

But so far, the undodgeable seems realistic.
Do you think you’ll come out unscathed if you roll or summersault through a wall of fire. I mean, by all due respects, dodges should actually only work on strikes, projectiles and flat shockwaves, not walls or domes, or forces

Daddicus.6128:

Amaimon.7823:

What? Where? I have full map exploration on my main, I never had to pay ingame or real gold to get anywhere. All zones were publically acessible, some with or and some requiring a story step

Yeah, that’s exactly what I said: you can walk from anywhere to anywhere in Tyria, EXCEPT Bloodstone Fen and Ember Bay. Even Southsun Cove has an asura gate.

so just because you can’t walk across an ocean means you can’t get there? have you triedp playing the story yet, it’s quite easy to get there

ascended equipment is never soulbound, it’s designed to be carried over between characters. However, the choice of stats on the Elite Specialization weapons is somewhat limited, I do not know if Ydalir has the stat that’s optimal for a condition warrior. lemme check on wiki:
Berserker, Commander, and Rampager. Well Rampager will do. But after that you need to take it to a mystic forge with:

• 5 Globs of Ectoplasm
• Ydalir
• Viper’s Orichalcum Inbued Inscription
• Anthaology of Heroes (25 spirit shards)

Konig Des Todes.2086:

The destroyers of GW2 are nothing like the GW1 destroyers. One theory is that, seeing how destroyers are made in mockery of living beings, that the GW1 destroyers were in mockery of races living during the previous dragonrise (thus explaining why one, the mesmer, had an almost mursaat-like look); now that Primrodus is up, they’re likely in mockery of modern races only now.

Yea, one personal theory of mine was that the destroyers in GW1 looked very alien, but they also reminded me of plants and fungi that grow exclusively in caves and dark areas.
Others reminded me of trolls, wurms, etc, also creatures that live underground. As a result, I came to believe that in the previous cycle, the destroyers close to never on the surface.

I had to look up the Destroyer of Thoughts, and it does have that humanoid shape. Although maybe because of the huge arm I have a hard time comparing it to a mursaat. but then again, they’re only mockeries in design.

Destroyer of
-Bones: Look like cave trolls
-Flesh: Look like half beetle, half troll
-Sinew: Propably mostly beetle
-Deeds: This is a tough one. but it looks like one of those ants that gets on it’s hind legs
-Hordes: Looks like a flytrap fungus or plant
-Lifes: one of those antspiders that digs kitten and waits for others to walk into it
-Hope: CLEARLY ARACHNOPHOBIA
-Thoughts: something humanoid with high intelligence.. mursaat propably
-Souls: See Thoughts
-Compassion: Again troll-ish I think.

Destroyer of Earth is something special. It’s just a set of discs

Daddicus.6128:

But, now there are two zones that you simply can’t get to unless you pay money (in-game or real).

What? Where? I have full map exploration on my main, I never had to pay ingame or real gold to get anywhere. All zones were publically acessible, some with or and some requiring a story step

There is never a choice if it’s between quaggan or anything else.
Quaggan simply isn’t an option. Aything that doesn’t result in quaggans having more breathing holes in their bodies is not an option you should pick.

#purify_kryta, #down_with_Quagan

OnizukaBR.8537:

vesica tempestas.1563:

TheRandomGuy.7246:

vesica tempestas.1563:

lol this kind of attitude demonstrates exactly what im talking about – Kicking people is a good thing, tunnel vision is a good thing, think affecting people negatively for the sake of a niche mod is ‘irrelevant’.

Kicking people based on their performance instead of a prejudice is a good thing, tunnel vision is not a dps meter related problem, people getting offended by a .dll file is not a dps meter problem.

As i said its a well know problem – ‘dps kitten’ is a recognized behavior. incidentally kicking someone based on performance is actually not a good thing in a game, its nasty. just the same as it would be nasty if you kicked a guildy out of a raid due to bad performance which ofc people do not do (its about respecting strangers as well as friends)

Really? Kicking someone for really bad performace is not ok but being unable to beat a boss is ok. So now because you can’t kick someone all the other 9 people need to pay the price that is wasting their time and not getting the kill because of 1 person?

Since when 1 person is more important than 9 other persons?

I was gonna say “worship the 1%” but they’re more like the 10%

vesica tempestas.1563:

Damage meter cons:

-It makes a % of the populace uncomfortable
-A % of the populace that would otherwise not criticize others feel empowered by statistics to criticize (or worse) other people.
-A % of people will kick others based on a statistic
-It is just not needed outside highly tuned raid fights.
-It encourages subjective tunnel vision
-It does not measure altruistic behavior and in fact discourages it.

positives

It is good for highly tuned raid fights
Some people like to use stats to improve
Some people enjoy winning at meters and see it as part of the meta game

pros do not outweigh the cons in a game like GW2 where there is a power ceiling imo.

thats because your list is heavily biased. I could also make a biased list where the pros outweigh the cons. so thats not much of an argument.

-A % of the population is uncomfortable with it.
Another % is of the population is comfortable with it.
this point means jack skritt without a number.

-A % of people will kick others based on a statistic
This is true?
and why is it true?
DPS is a valid role in the composition of a raid. If you say “I will DPS” and then proceed to do less than 10K dps, you’ve been blatantly lying to your teammates, and the dps meter isn’t at fault.

-It encourages subjective tunnel vision
perhaps, it depends on how good the commander of your team is. A good commander won’t think DPS is all that matters in a raid. A commander who does think so, deserves to fail every run, so you don’t need to have a heart attack over those people.

-It does not measure altruistic behavior and in fact discourages it.
By this you mean people won’t have time to care about others? then you’re right. it’s not the DPS’ place to take care of others. You have the druids for that, you have the chronos for that, you have booners, and the PS for that. It’s called being part of a team where everyone has a role.

fishball.7204:

Gear checks/build reading aren’t allowed in DPS meters you should report them for it.

Having said that, they can probably half guess what you’re running based on playing with you for 5 minutes. Most of us veterans can tell right off the bat what you’re running is “not meta” just by looking at any lack of or too many signets + weapon set.

Problem is, you can “kinda tell a little bit”
if it’s signets, you can see it, if it’s the wrong weapon, you can see it. But that only acounts for like 10% of the options. The rest comes from runes, sigils, stats, and traits, and there’s just no (legal) way of seeing that.

I often see during raids that people ask me why (as a warrior) I bring a hammer, instead of a shield, and then I have to give a 10 minute lecture why the shield may theoretically be better, my personal performance is better with the hammer, when we could’ve killed the boss during those 10 minutes

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Amaimon.7823:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Amaimon.7823:

or.. oooor.. hear me out..

or.. you could actually play the game and unlock the content in it’s intended way: playing the story..

or is playing the story suddenly a bad thing in a game?

Why is getting to the map without the story a bad thing?

In Core, I can reach Orr without the story. In HoT, I can reach Dragon’s stand without HoT’s story. What’s special about the three of the four new zones that I’m forced to do the story on every toon?

I’d be more supportive if the gating was limited to whether the story is unlocked, since that’s partly a business decision.

I never said it’s a bad thing. It’s just that the game has a design, and this whole topic is just silly if may be so bluntly honest. The story is “forced” upon you. yea, maybe, but then again, this is a game.
and what even is the problem, you only have to do the first instance of the story.
Go to Eir’s graduation party
Kill an SAB creature (god forbid they actually connected SAB to the main game)
The ice region is open for all your characters after 1 story run since the passage is blocked by a mastery rather than a story step.
Protect the queen, like, literally all you have to do is kill a minister and you’re done.

You said, “why is playing the story suddenly a bad thing” — if you want to be pedantic, no one ever said “playing the story” was bad, as your comment suggests. The issue is forcing people to play the story to play other parts of the game; it’s gating for the sake of gating.

I acknowledge there’s a business value to ANet to locking the new maps only to people who have unlocked the story. But there’s no gameplay value nor business value to forcing people to play the story for each and every toon. That’s true of three of the four new zones, including the most recent one; that’s the trend and Bitterfrost is the exception.

So, no, I don’t think it’s silly to feel that it’s boring and annoying to be forced to replay a story which is identical (for all practical purposes) just to get to a map. I don’t think it’s silly to prefer that the maps are automatically unlocked if the story is.

that’s what I originally meant, why is forcing someone to play the story as part of a game bad? I don’t remember rayman 2 to be an open world. I don’t remember Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine to be an open world. not without cheats at least. Why did we devolve from a state of “I play the game in sequence” to “I once played skyrim, so now I want every game to be without a single type of border”.

And by what I found silly was, the story instances are so easy, and so quick, it’s almost faster to just do them, then go to the forum to complain about them

ZoSo.4867:

I just did a fractal run and apparently everyone in the group had dps meters that let you see everyones dps and gear and all gave me a mouth full at the end for not using the ‘meta’ build. I didn’t concent to people being able to see my stuff they definitely need to not allow this!

Make an official dps meter and make it so people at least know when others are watching them, I can understand elitism in raids but I’ve never had problems in fractals until this and I dont want dps meter min maxxers running around in fractals to harass me when I’m trying to do dalies.

I’m pretty sure if I copy and pasted whatever meta battle and qt told me to I’d have amazing dps like they want as well.

they saw your gear? anet was very clear that any meter that shows equipment, gear, etc, is still a reportable offense. remember, all anet approved of was the reading of DPS, aka, the data that is already visual to you even without a meter. What stats and runes, etc you wield, are NOT allowed to be read. There’s a different meter in the grey zone, which shares the data with other people also have the app. In that case there’s a mutual agreement between with the addon. But if you don’t have that specific addon, anyone reading your data besides boons and dps, are clearly in the red and you should report them

Uzunari.1964:

So you’re basically saying “dps meters help people become better players and hence push other people into doing the same”? And this is bad becaaaaause…?

Uh, no? I am saying that leader with DPS meter can pay less attention to details that are necessary for successful raid such as buff uptime, dps an other details that were currently only available through throughout observation and it required players attention. Therefore he can make ratio of his squad/party more successful with less effort then leader who does not use the dps meter.

A captain who cares only about the DPS and not about anything else is not a party you should worry yourself with so much

Feanor.2358:

Oh, I see. So focusing on the fight instead of looking at buff bars is the bad thing. I stand corrected. /s

what..

are you.. I can’t.. whuuaat??

noo…..

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Amaimon.7823:

or.. oooor.. hear me out..

or.. you could actually play the game and unlock the content in it’s intended way: playing the story..

or is playing the story suddenly a bad thing in a game?

Why is getting to the map without the story a bad thing?

In Core, I can reach Orr without the story. In HoT, I can reach Dragon’s stand without HoT’s story. What’s special about the three of the four new zones that I’m forced to do the story on every toon?

I’d be more supportive if the gating was limited to whether the story is unlocked, since that’s partly a business decision.

I never said it’s a bad thing. It’s just that the game has a design, and this whole topic is just silly if may be so bluntly honest. The story is “forced” upon you. yea, maybe, but then again, this is a game.
and what even is the problem, you only have to do the first instance of the story.
Go to Eir’s graduation party
Kill an SAB creature (god forbid they actually connected SAB to the main game)
The ice region is open for all your characters after 1 story run since the passage is blocked by a mastery rather than a story step.
Protect the queen, like, literally all you have to do is kill a minister and you’re done.

vesica tempestas.1563:

Seera.5916:

vesica tempestas.1563:

all you are talking about is dps dps dps, this is the problem with meters, tunnel vision that leads down a single strategic path.

When discussing the benefits of DPS meters, of course you’re not going to talk about things that are not related at all to DPS.

Any group that only uses the DPS meter to decide who stays and who goes and disregards other aspects relevant to whatever content the group is doing, is not a group worth being in anyway.

well that’s the reality of things, people do indeed focus on dps over everything else otherwise there wouldn’t be a problem.

but there isn’t a problem? people make it a problem
you’re a druid? we’re fine if your dps is 0
you’re a chronotank, your dps can be negative for all I care
only if you’re DPS or CondiDPS does your dps matter, and thats what this tool is for. those show the dps OF THAT SPECIFIC ROLE

or.. oooor.. hear me out..

or.. you could actually play the game and unlock the content in it’s intended way: playing the story..

or is playing the story suddenly a bad thing in a game?