Guild Wars 2

Palmillo.9756:

I don’t follow you there… I guess that you mean that if I can’t stack alacrity enough, then is useless?

Precisely. You are correct.

Cynz.9437:

They can’t even make normal matchmaking (reset mmr at begin of the season, make teams that each have 50% win chance etc.) and you expect them to implement this feature?

Yes I do actually, if they want to promote sPvP at all instead of the dripping kittenhole in place right now.

I don’t think people understand what the function is…

The “avoid/prefer player” setting either puts that person at a high priority or a low priority when matchmaking. It doesn’t remove them at all from queing with you.

A “prefer this player” or “avoid this player” setting.

After a match you can use this to influence your matchmaking to not be matched up in the same team with someone that went AFK or tried to screw everyone up intentionally, or for the opposite reason: to be with someone that plays well and is a great communicator again.

Why don’t we have any form of this setting at all?

What we want:
More dps
Another main hand weapon
Removal of clones

What we will get instead:
Some new group hug gimmick
Another offhand weapon
More bunker skills
Another shatter f5
Half the trait tree taken up by clone traits/modifications
Future nerfs to baseline Mesmer

Bonus: “Fixed a server crash.”

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Mesmer-should-not-have-been-given-clones/first#post6109800

I already made a post about it.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Mesmer_-_PU_Condi_Roamer

Terrible song, use this instead.

http://i.imgur.com/KgHCg39.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KgHCg39.jpg

Stack resistance.

Mesmer is the worst damage dealer in the game. Assassin’s earrings and berserker for everything else. Salvage your gs.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Killshot in WvW is not viable anymore because of these reasons
25% damage nerf
Its not piecing through the enemy anymore.

Killshot didn’t get a nerf, gunflame did. Even if it DID get a nerf, 25% off 22,910 damage is 17,183 which still oneshots anyone in zerker’s and marauder’s.

Guards have no pressure? Are we playing the same game here?

Wanderer’s doesn’t work at all. Precision is a wasted stat and it’s a major stat too.

Pets need to have less health, period. As soon as you spend valuable time to focus down a pet and blowing your bar the ranger presses one button and another pet with 22k+ health comes out.

Kinda ridiculous. Pets already take 95% less damage in pve, reducing pet health would be balanced for the damage they do.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Mesmer is dead now trust me. Constant evasion, mobility, teleports, high damage whilst evading, clone spam and the ability to double use all skills is terrible without the amulets. That is obvious. Mesmer is conceptually so weak that it needs amulets to prop it up

The sadder thing is that it needs all that survivability just to live. A single ranger bow 2 can carve off 75% of our health.

Have you considered that it’s one of those “unfinished recipes” that are in the game but have no purpose in the forge?

You should empty out your mats and try them one by one in the forge.

Do you have video proof to send to Anet? Also, did you test the problem with different GS rarities, different sigils, etc?

Sure thing bud. We will give you your vitality boost. We will also give your thief a massive toughness boost baseline, pulsing immunity to reveal, pulsing resistance to conditions, aegis every three seconds, permanent retaliation, the ability to counter all passive abilities in the game, all baseline.

In return all we ask is that thieves give up massive stealth uptime, all your evasion uptime, your power, ferocity and precision stats will all be reduced by 75%, all your mobility skills will be removed, all speed increasing skills will be removed, you will no longer be able to create a burst in the form of venomshares, and your dazes and stuns will be replaced with one second of regeneration.

Sounds fair ok? After all, don’t all thieves want to be walking walls of invulnerability?

Yes mesmer has a bunch of survivability, but what people here don’t realize is that mesmer needs it. A single longbow 2 on a friggin bunker druid can shave off 70% of a mesmer’s health.

“Personally I wouldn’t have made the change in this way, I was hoping for a moa nerf in a longer cast time. The longer the cast time the more chance people have to counter the key bit.”

Go suck it Asukas.

https://youtu.be/PGiDkWATPS0?t=5m34s

Curunen.8729:

But it’s the same with every class – just how it goes at the moment, we can’t expect much from the small patches in between the quarterly patches.

At least this is inconsequential for anyone who doesn’t use Moa (I personally rarely if ever use moa).

No other class has ever had multiple 50% nerfs in a row.

Levetty.1279:

This is by far superior to the nerfing CS route some thieves ‘Mesmers’ were suggesting.

Curunen.8729:

It won’t dissuade any of the whining though.

Unfortunatly this is true though

Superior? They took 4 seconds off a core mesmer elite that has a cd of 180 seconds.

I’m not talking about viability or meta usefulness. I’m talking about how Anet has no idea where or what mesmer is supposed to do. Halved durations on Moa. Removed clone death. Halved stealth time. Halved alacrity. Well of Precog’s " I dunno lol" changes.

Whenever they want to nerf mesmer in general nobody in their balance department knows how to do it, so instead they just open up a random page in the pvp forums nerf the first mesmer related thing they see.

Where are the meaningful buffs? “i dunno lol”.

That is another skill that was nerfed, making that 3 patch notes in a row where that Anet literally cut in half major traits/skills. It’s official, Anet doesn’t know what they are doing with mesmer, and I think a lot of us here would be better off playing another class.

Caving in to all the crying is not balance. Popular vote does not get you anywhere.

Much MUCH more conversations. Simply standing outside Rata Novus in Soren Draa would fill an enitre book of NPC dialog while the entire HoT expansion couldn’t even fill a page or two. These things make me smile and it is part of why GW2 was so enjoyable to me in the first place, it would be a shame if I couldn’t do something like following around a little golem delivering love letters to random Asurans.

It’s not that Moa is not balanced for the current game, its the current game isn’t balanced around Moa. Why do you think a mesmer can’t kill you when you’re in moa form? Nerf the damage creep, the cc lock and the condi spam from every other class, and then we will talk to see if moa is as “instakilling” as you say it is.

None. There is no class like that. Lower your expectations.

Everyone here realizes that you activate the Moa first then CS? You can’t prevent the use of elite skills if elites are used first and then CS is used before the elite is resolved.

leviathan.2148:

Steam takes about 30% of each purchase. They would be stupid to put GW2 there.

If that’s the case then why is GW1 even on there in the first place?

GW1 and the expansions are on steam, why not GW2? It would pull in much more people that way.

How about the Inquest had captured Malyck and dissected him instead?

Asura master race, learning all about Rata Novus will lead us Asurans to ascension.

Why put new weapons in the game when all the classes can’t even use all the current ones yet?

lighter.2708:

Ananeos.4587:

How about everyone suck it up and stop your crying and moaning? Warrior is meta for WvW, raids and dungeons, and now it’s about to be meta in sPvP cause it is a direct hardcounter to mesmer.

Ananeos.4587:

I need the name of a warrior skill/trait that practically makes the warrior immune to all hard CC’s and soft CC’s until a certain health percentage.

What about it? I don’t know much about warrior, you don’t know much about mesmer. The difference between you and me is that I’m actively trying to learn about other classes’ abilities while you’re just stuck here whining on an internet forum.

How about everyone suck it up and stop your crying and moaning? Warrior is meta for WvW, raids and dungeons, and now it’s about to be meta in sPvP cause it is a direct hardcounter to mesmer.

I would also like to add that all clones are being used now is just for homing missiles. There is not a single shred of mystique or “who is the real slim shady?” with clones, they’re homing stinger missiles.

All offensive elite skills are extremely obvious. Take for example, the Herald elite, a giant dragon double the character size. Moa is also obvious with the one full second cast and the purple circle above the mesmer’s head, usually accompanied with the noise and visuals of continuum split. However since there are way too many complainers moa should get a graphical update to be more obvious so that people can learn better dodge it. A nerf is not what should happen.

I have these ascended boxes lying around in my bank and I decided that it was time to make a Viper’s set, but I only have enough boxes and gold for one set of light, medium or heavy. I play all game modes and I have all 9 professions at level 80, which class weights would make the most out of ascended viper’s?

Hey warriors, a mesmer here, and I need the name of a warrior skill/trait that practically makes the warrior immune to all hard CC’s and soft CC’s until a certain health percentage. I was roaming in WvW until a warrior got the drop on me and I just couldn’t get the upper hand no matter what I did (since the build I’m using requires blind and stunlocks to deal condition damage) and I quickly lost.

If anyone could help me out here that would be awesome, I need to learn how to counter certain things and this immunity trait just got added to my list. Thanks!

Zuko.7132:

Mes was the strongest thing in the game before patch. Now its even stronger with alacrity buff and everything else is worse.

Mmm dat 0.25 second cd reduction so amazing and meta defining opieOP

nudge nudge

C’mon, say something…

Scepter buffs and well cd reductions. None of these are used in pvp.

It actually feels oddly weird not having a 50% nerf in some random area, still not sure if this is a dream.

I’ve been fighting for the well cool downs to be reduced for some time now, kitten it feels good to win. May I take this victory for myself?

On the other side there were no changes to any of our builds at all, personal dps is still in the gutter.

Azukas.1426:

LOL what’s funny is in that show where the pro players even stated that mesmer is the best 1v1 class in the game y’all ignore that. LOL

The only place where no one seems to know this is here on this sub forum, and moa + portal isn’t the only reason lol. This is why we all need to apologize to anet.

I’ll start:

I’m sorry Arenanet for jumping the gun and raging over the mesmer nerfs last patch. I know now that I was being a child, and in the long run mesmer is better off now then it ever was. Thank You.

C’mon everyone follow suit.

Yes it is the best 1v1 class, but guess what, none of mesmer’s skills support team fighting. They all require a target to cast your skills on, except staff 5.

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Fay.2357:

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denis.9487:

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Hlord.5940:

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Curunen.8729:

I can see you get a kick out of being a martyr, but this is getting long in the tooth now.

What’s the point in making a thread if you’re not open for discussion? I think it’s best to leave it be and accept you won’t convince the other 99% of the population that are not at the top of pro league, and neither will they convince you. Just agree to disagree and leave it be.

This thread is no different than the one the OP made in the Rev forum.

“What I think is truth, no reason to discuss. Let’s talk about how to nerf Rev’s now. "

You can imagine the result … actually you’re seeing it here. There is no open discussion. The second anyone attempts to discuss, they are simply wrong and ignored. A very disingenuous approach to having a discussion with people.

Here’s the issue. No one counter argues with facts or examples but just wants people to take thier emotional opinions as facts. Sorry it doesn’t work that way when I’m using examples, facts, and pro league players input.

If you want to discuss things please come at me with something other than “I feel”

Fact. Mesmer was never really taken pre stacking. Sure some pros made it work but what about the rest of us?? Also if you look back these pros often said other classes could do it better. Post stacking. You cant have more than 1 of any class. By default the 5th is Mesmer because of 2 skills. Condition output insane?? Does it beat condition rev or necro? So yes pros use the Mesmer. Pre hot had small niche and again pros basically handicapped themselves because they loved the class. Post hot. Give Moa/portal to the warrior since according to the pros are out of the meta and guess what. Warrior would be the 5th.
We are poorly balanced. Removing those skills might even the playing field and show how far apart it really is. As it is people still complain about pu/clones/signet of illusions. It’s easy to hate something you don’t understand.

Fact mesmer was stacked in Season 1.

Since June 23rd 2015 Mesmer has been in a REALLY REALLY good place. 10 months of having the good life.

Now let’s see if you can answer me one question. If Mesmer is ONLY meta b/c of portal and moa how come, according to you all, mesmer wasn’t meta before when they had Moa and Portal? That’s all they needed according to everyone here so why weren’t they meta then?

Thanks for your reply and I look forward to another

The one answer is cs. Allowing 2 casts of the elite. That is an entire different post though. You also failed to acknowledge any of my points. Helseth himself the king has gone on record saying thief was better pre hot.

So thief was better pre June 23rd. We’re dealing with right now not the past.

Get out of the past because for like the past year we’ve been top dog.

So yes I’ve acknowledged all of your points and what besides dble moa stands out?

Ok by logic. Our condition build was nerfed not buffed after hot. It is only taken because of the stacking rule and the double down of our 2 key skills. We are not op by any means. We are just taken like the side of salad that comes with the steak.

I already stated I’m not so sure about mesmer only being meta because of no stacking. We saw a team run it in pros but the team was no where near as good as rank 55. Could of a better team played with a mesmer? I personally believe so and others agreed with me. Then you look at what pros are saying now and you get the idea more were going to run it.

Now don’t get me wrong because I truly believe revs have too much. That’s another class that needs to get beat with the hammer BUT they can’t touch mesmer 1v1 or 1vX.

I can work with that. 1 team used a Mesmer. Most were using double rev. 1 game is such a small sample size to make any assumptions. What I gathered is the hate being generated by cs and using it to double elites. The stacking rule surely cast light on other classes. Hence the Mesmer stepping in. We are meta currently because we have had the same 5v5 pvp stand in a circle to win since launch. Again another topic but by no means an indication Mesmer is op.

Mesmer condi specs have always been OP and now they’ve gone and made one tournament viable.

Yes the 1 team in the finals is a bad sample size but seeing what we see now I believe condi shatter beats out 2nd rev.

I’m not here championing nerfs either. I’m just here saying I told you so and let’s rejoice in the greatness of mesmer.

Now I do expect nerfs tomorrow and I just pray the rest of the OP classes get it too.

1 team in final is a bad sample size, agree on that, any good experiment require an ample sample but you just skip the whole why no one pick mesmer

People picking up portal and moa because they are the last thing we have not because they are other option

PS
>not here championing nerf
>expect nerfs tomorrow

wut?

I’m not asking for nerfs here like I did to chrono bunker, but I do expect nerfs because condi shatter is so strong. It’s the best 1v1 class and decides team fight all the while keeping home safe or 1 enemy player honest at far.

You wanted facts. Saying a class is better 1v1 again has a lot to do with the person sitting behind the desk. Again imo and hate to say this its a l2p. The facts echoed in your material mostly had the “pros” hating cs on elite use.

What class in this meta has the advantage vs condi shatter? Please enlighten me….

Necromancer.

Double Moa says no.

Oh are we comparing doomsday buttons now? All necro has to do is sit there and land the plague signet and then you kill yourself.

Azukas.1426:

denis.9487:

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Hlord.5940:

Azukas.1426:

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Curunen.8729:

I can see you get a kick out of being a martyr, but this is getting long in the tooth now.

What’s the point in making a thread if you’re not open for discussion? I think it’s best to leave it be and accept you won’t convince the other 99% of the population that are not at the top of pro league, and neither will they convince you. Just agree to disagree and leave it be.

This thread is no different than the one the OP made in the Rev forum.

“What I think is truth, no reason to discuss. Let’s talk about how to nerf Rev’s now. "

You can imagine the result … actually you’re seeing it here. There is no open discussion. The second anyone attempts to discuss, they are simply wrong and ignored. A very disingenuous approach to having a discussion with people.

Here’s the issue. No one counter argues with facts or examples but just wants people to take thier emotional opinions as facts. Sorry it doesn’t work that way when I’m using examples, facts, and pro league players input.

If you want to discuss things please come at me with something other than “I feel”

Fact. Mesmer was never really taken pre stacking. Sure some pros made it work but what about the rest of us?? Also if you look back these pros often said other classes could do it better. Post stacking. You cant have more than 1 of any class. By default the 5th is Mesmer because of 2 skills. Condition output insane?? Does it beat condition rev or necro? So yes pros use the Mesmer. Pre hot had small niche and again pros basically handicapped themselves because they loved the class. Post hot. Give Moa/portal to the warrior since according to the pros are out of the meta and guess what. Warrior would be the 5th.
We are poorly balanced. Removing those skills might even the playing field and show how far apart it really is. As it is people still complain about pu/clones/signet of illusions. It’s easy to hate something you don’t understand.

Fact mesmer was stacked in Season 1.

Since June 23rd 2015 Mesmer has been in a REALLY REALLY good place. 10 months of having the good life.

Now let’s see if you can answer me one question. If Mesmer is ONLY meta b/c of portal and moa how come, according to you all, mesmer wasn’t meta before when they had Moa and Portal? That’s all they needed according to everyone here so why weren’t they meta then?

Thanks for your reply and I look forward to another

The one answer is cs. Allowing 2 casts of the elite. That is an entire different post though. You also failed to acknowledge any of my points. Helseth himself the king has gone on record saying thief was better pre hot.

So thief was better pre June 23rd. We’re dealing with right now not the past.

Get out of the past because for like the past year we’ve been top dog.

So yes I’ve acknowledged all of your points and what besides dble moa stands out?

Ok by logic. Our condition build was nerfed not buffed after hot. It is only taken because of the stacking rule and the double down of our 2 key skills. We are not op by any means. We are just taken like the side of salad that comes with the steak.

I already stated I’m not so sure about mesmer only being meta because of no stacking. We saw a team run it in pros but the team was no where near as good as rank 55. Could of a better team played with a mesmer? I personally believe so and others agreed with me. Then you look at what pros are saying now and you get the idea more were going to run it.

Now don’t get me wrong because I truly believe revs have too much. That’s another class that needs to get beat with the hammer BUT they can’t touch mesmer 1v1 or 1vX.

I can work with that. 1 team used a Mesmer. Most were using double rev. 1 game is such a small sample size to make any assumptions. What I gathered is the hate being generated by cs and using it to double elites. The stacking rule surely cast light on other classes. Hence the Mesmer stepping in. We are meta currently because we have had the same 5v5 pvp stand in a circle to win since launch. Again another topic but by no means an indication Mesmer is op.

Mesmer condi specs have always been OP and now they’ve gone and made one tournament viable.

Yes the 1 team in the finals is a bad sample size but seeing what we see now I believe condi shatter beats out 2nd rev.

I’m not here championing nerfs either. I’m just here saying I told you so and let’s rejoice in the greatness of mesmer.

Now I do expect nerfs tomorrow and I just pray the rest of the OP classes get it too.

1 team in final is a bad sample size, agree on that, any good experiment require an ample sample but you just skip the whole why no one pick mesmer

People picking up portal and moa because they are the last thing we have not because they are other option

PS
>not here championing nerf
>expect nerfs tomorrow

wut?

I’m not asking for nerfs here like I did to chrono bunker, but I do expect nerfs because condi shatter is so strong. It’s the best 1v1 class and decides team fight all the while keeping home safe or 1 enemy player honest at far.

You wanted facts. Saying a class is better 1v1 again has a lot to do with the person sitting behind the desk. Again imo and hate to say this its a l2p. The facts echoed in your material mostly had the “pros” hating cs on elite use.

What class in this meta has the advantage vs condi shatter? Please enlighten me….

Theif, necro, and Dragonhunters.

Fay.2357:

Ananeos.4587:

Fay.2357:

IDK why ya’ll continue to post here. It’s obvious that there’s no point to it. Just let the thread die and report OP for bumping if he keeps at it.

Yeah… I’ll take you up on that one. Everyone please report the thread.

Er, just to be clear, I didn’t mean report it now. Just stop posting and let the thread die. If op tries to keep it alive by bumping then report.

4 pages of denial is enough, don’t you agree?

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