Guild Wars 2

hellsmachine.4085:

Apathy.6430:

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Apathy.6430:

hellsmachine.4085:

Raine.1394:

hellsmachine.4085:

Raine.1394:

killcannon.2576:

hellsmachine.4085:

killcannon.2576:

Reverence.6915:

3 game modes and 2 are PvP based. Combat in GW2 is largely balanced around PvP. Of course there shouldn’t be trinity.

Anyway, PvE in any MMO is mindless, boring and scripted. You’re either wailing away at a meat tank or you’re being killed in 2 hits or both (when you’re soloing content, not including grinding, which can be done with a bot). Why are we even discussing PvE here?

Because pvp has never really relied on a trinity in any game and doesn’t have a place in the topic? You get lost on the way to the pvp forum?

You don’t PvP much do you killcannon? Other MMOs it’s basically team with healers wins… If your team has no healers, but the other does you may aswell just afk…

incorrect, the team who kills the others healers first wins.

That is the central aspect of strategy, generally, though not the only one. If it’s arena, it might just be killing the squishiest one or ignoring the squishiest one for that matter. Combat is rather rich under the trinity, unlike the stack and wail combat of GW2.

If you really think trinity is so “rich” and GW2 PvP is stack and wail. Why are you even playing this game? There’s countless MMOs with trinity… Why don’t you just play them instead of trying to turn GW2 into one of them?

I’m playing WoW currently. Thanks for the info.

Doesn’t suprise me, why is the WoW crowd trying to turn GW2 into WoW? Are you fed up with paying a sub? Just want WoW with new gfx? Truly believe every other MMO should be like WoW? I mean we don’t get players from CoD or BF in here asking for guns, ammo, medics and tanks in this game so why you?

Na, I believe MMO’s should have more depth than choosing the best DPS build out of a handful of DPS builds.

But you already have that in WoW?

Surely you’re not this daft?

Plenty of other MMOs don’t have the trinty, why do you want GW2?

Surely you are… Answering my question with a question…. Name a triple A MMO with no trinity? An answer this time plz… Not a question…

Runescape

hellsmachine.4085:

Apathy.6430:

hellsmachine.4085:

Raine.1394:

hellsmachine.4085:

Raine.1394:

killcannon.2576:

hellsmachine.4085:

killcannon.2576:

Reverence.6915:

3 game modes and 2 are PvP based. Combat in GW2 is largely balanced around PvP. Of course there shouldn’t be trinity.

Anyway, PvE in any MMO is mindless, boring and scripted. You’re either wailing away at a meat tank or you’re being killed in 2 hits or both (when you’re soloing content, not including grinding, which can be done with a bot). Why are we even discussing PvE here?

Because pvp has never really relied on a trinity in any game and doesn’t have a place in the topic? You get lost on the way to the pvp forum?

You don’t PvP much do you killcannon? Other MMOs it’s basically team with healers wins… If your team has no healers, but the other does you may aswell just afk…

incorrect, the team who kills the others healers first wins.

That is the central aspect of strategy, generally, though not the only one. If it’s arena, it might just be killing the squishiest one or ignoring the squishiest one for that matter. Combat is rather rich under the trinity, unlike the stack and wail combat of GW2.

If you really think trinity is so “rich” and GW2 PvP is stack and wail. Why are you even playing this game? There’s countless MMOs with trinity… Why don’t you just play them instead of trying to turn GW2 into one of them?

I’m playing WoW currently. Thanks for the info.

Doesn’t suprise me, why is the WoW crowd trying to turn GW2 into WoW? Are you fed up with paying a sub? Just want WoW with new gfx? Truly believe every other MMO should be like WoW? I mean we don’t get players from CoD or BF in here asking for guns, ammo, medics and tanks in this game so why you?

Na, I believe MMO’s should have more depth than choosing the best DPS build out of a handful of DPS builds.

But you already have that in WoW?

Surely you’re not this daft?

Plenty of other MMOs don’t have the trinty, why do you want GW2?

hellsmachine.4085:

Raine.1394:

hellsmachine.4085:

Raine.1394:

killcannon.2576:

hellsmachine.4085:

killcannon.2576:

Reverence.6915:

3 game modes and 2 are PvP based. Combat in GW2 is largely balanced around PvP. Of course there shouldn’t be trinity.

Anyway, PvE in any MMO is mindless, boring and scripted. You’re either wailing away at a meat tank or you’re being killed in 2 hits or both (when you’re soloing content, not including grinding, which can be done with a bot). Why are we even discussing PvE here?

Because pvp has never really relied on a trinity in any game and doesn’t have a place in the topic? You get lost on the way to the pvp forum?

You don’t PvP much do you killcannon? Other MMOs it’s basically team with healers wins… If your team has no healers, but the other does you may aswell just afk…

incorrect, the team who kills the others healers first wins.

That is the central aspect of strategy, generally, though not the only one. If it’s arena, it might just be killing the squishiest one or ignoring the squishiest one for that matter. Combat is rather rich under the trinity, unlike the stack and wail combat of GW2.

If you really think trinity is so “rich” and GW2 PvP is stack and wail. Why are you even playing this game? There’s countless MMOs with trinity… Why don’t you just play them instead of trying to turn GW2 into one of them?

I’m playing WoW currently. Thanks for the info.

Doesn’t suprise me, why is the WoW crowd trying to turn GW2 into WoW? Are you fed up with paying a sub? Just want WoW with new gfx? Truly believe every other MMO should be like WoW? I mean we don’t get players from CoD or BF in here asking for guns, ammo, medics and tanks in this game so why you?

Na, I believe MMO’s should have more depth than choosing the best DPS build out of a handful of DPS builds.

killcannon.2576:

hellsmachine.4085:

killcannon.2576:

Jski.6180:

Rin.1046:

Players who want the traditional trinity want it for one of two reasons:

1, They haven’t found a profession, build or playstyle that suits them yet. Or..
2, The feel of the combat and how it plays overall just doesn’t suit them.

There is a 3ed reason they cant chose for them self when they have a chose they need to have something chosen for them. They want to be in a box and not think outside of it.

There also a 4th but is a support tank only point of view they want to feel important and want other ppl to think them for playing the less played class type. They want to feel self important by the “pain” they must endure.

Uh…you do realize there is only one choice when you play GW2?

DPS

Sorta weird you think that this game has more choice than the trinity.

Oh really? How’s that working for you in PvP?

I don’t know, throw 5 bunkers at 5 dps centric builds and tell me.

Throw 5 tanks into most WoW dungeons and they will fail as well.

A balanced PvP group will beat 5 pure DPS.

Unfortunately, the same is far from true in PvE, and it is why I have quit playing it even though I’m by far a more PvE person.

I’m actually enjoying sPvP so much right now because it actually has roles rather than choosing between three different tiers of DPS.

PvE wouldn’t be an awful zergfest.

I’d guess fewer one hit downs as well.

I find shift to be the most useful button to assign my dodge to.

Unfortunately, this has the side effect of opening chat if I’m wanting to click an utility skill (I’m a noob clicker, deal with it) while I’m dodging in the middle of an intense fight.

Is there a way to disable the shift+click thing?

Lightsbane.9012:

fact of the matter, on GOM specifically, we’re a full server with barely any solid representation in WvW.
we need your help.

GoM doesn’t have any representation in PvE either.

No idea where all of the players are. I’m convinced the numbers are purely fictional. I go from the “Very High” GoM, seeing 1 lonely person standing outside of AC, to Jade Quarry and seeing anywhere from 10 to 15 people standing at any given time.

FacesOfMu.3561:

Apathy.6430:

Stuff

These things we forget can be drowned out by the dominant story often in other threads. Please help support the tone of this thread, or create your own space to make these points.

Sorry for trying to have a discussion in a thread.

Meglobob.8620:

I have a love/hate relationship with GW2…lots to love…lots to annoy you…

Pretty much the same way I feel as well.

Unfortunately for me, the good doesn’t make up for the bad. The feel, aesthetics, and everything is just astounding as far as MMOs go. That novelty wears off eventually though, and you’re left the base mechanics of the game. Exploration of builds, finding potentials of the professions, etc…and that is just sorely lacking in this game. Basically all builds play the same, DPS while dodging mechanics. Utility skills don’t make a big enough splash to feel like they really change gameplay, and elite skills for the most part have no synergy with anything they are just big fancy spells every three to five minutes.

You can master your profession by level 35. Nothing after that point makes that big of difference. Traits for the most part don’t have a big enough impact to change the way you play.

Blackmoon.6837:

Anyways, I really am confused about your interpretations of GW1. For starters, the way I saw it, the game was very specific in builds. You either ran a specific build or you were neglected from groups for high-end farms – period. Hell, this even applied to just about anything. It was pathetic.

Not everyone did “high-end content” with PuGs.

95% of the game was doable with heroes and hench.

The other 5% was godawful DoA that the only reason for doing was for…I don’t know actually.

Yeah, GW2 lacks the depth of GW1.

The engine and mechanics are far better, it just lacks depth to make “balancing easier”, which is a shame, but it is what it is.

Rukia.4802:

This game is pure grind

In the vague sense that every game is grinding, yes.

Not the “you have no choice but to grind” as seen in other games, but “you have no choice to grind”.

I level a lot of alts in MMOs, and generally, after work, I enjoy just mindlessly killing enemies. I do like that GW2 creates somewhat of a sense of urgency, rushing from event to heart to event…but honestly, some times I’d like to actually be rewarded for just mindlessly killing things.

I’m not asking for it to be a superior way of leveling compared to events and hearts…but as it is, you may as well just log off since the XP from just killing enemies is so small.

Arnath.2319:

So sadly i have a horrible feeling we will be very bored till late January, maybe even the very last week of January, and this “2 huge patches” was a lie.

Then play a different game in the mean time.

Not like you gotta play off your subscription.

Hantu.2815:

in my post i state why WvW doesnt really cut it as open world PvP, people who played open PvP games would know what I mean by this.

What you “mean by this” is ganking low levels and camping their bodies, right?

Meret.5943:

In GW1, after the advent of heroes, people who knew the missions no longer had to stand around in town spamming to do them, they just took off.

People were doing that before heroes.

Junkpile.7439:

It’s FPS game and crappy one compared unreal tournament or CS 1.6

Last I checked Unreal Tournament and Counterstrike weren’t massive scale battles.

Dogblaster.6713:

Apathy.6430:

I think you may have quoted the wrong person, which makes your juvenile attempts at insults even more hilarious.

Nah I quoted the right person. Dont understand why you care about how they got their golds? Even if they were just playing trade post, even if they bought 1000000 gems or just beeing lucky. Its not anyone else business.

This is just a response to ‘’Occupy Lion’s Arch?’’ …

You seem moderately confused.

It’s alright, don’t get mad dude, it’s just a forum.

Ranger can build super tanky.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Agreed with this. They people who complain about legendaries going to people who don’t “deserve” them should just go out to real life rich people who got their money through exploiting life and luck (whether it was inheritance or good investment in stocks) and tell them they didn’t deserve it.

Occupy Lion’s Arch?

Erasculio.2914:

Ideally, it would be something given to the most skilled players. Not simply to the players who have the most free time and are willing to mindlessly farm like bots.

So only people who win yearly PvP tournaments should get them?

Hsinimod.5784:

I notice Guardians seem to be the most guilty and immature. I think it is because that type of player is attracted to all the blocks the guardian can rely on, so they just don’t bother to play very well. So they add poorly to the group, and if they need to step it up for the group, they get prissy.

Well, that’s insulting to say the least.

YPC.6349:

However, at this moment, I would say unless anet confirm they will offer a way to ascend them, it isn’t an idea to invest on them. Anyway I think MFR weapons is a great idea, anet should not abandon them.

Has there been any indication anywhere that transmutation stones don’t work on ascended?

Pvp.2758:

I have been farming for my legendary pretty hardcore over the past few weeks (farmed passively since the beginning of the game) and I just get sad when I look at the list of items I still need for the Legendary.

So far I farmed EVERYTHING that is non-gold related. Karma/Skill Points/Badges/Tokens/Exploration/etc..

Roughly adding up the remaining materials I need that are gold related, it looks like I’ll need around 500-600gold, maybe more.

That is just ridiculous. I have like 50gold, 75 gold tops (if I sold everything).

What do you think the % of gold buying players is for those who own a legendary? I think at least 90% of them bought gold. 7% got a pre-cursor early on, and the rest either got funded by their guild or got lucky with a few precursor drops.

Farming it should not be based on luck. The only way I see my self getting a legendary is by getting really lucky by getting a precursor drop, and still it will be hard to get.

Then don’t farm for legendaries.

If you don’t enjoy the thrill of the hunt, don’t go hunting.

psyt.9415:

Moved on to what? This is the only gig in town for WvW unless you want to go back to Daoc. I came for the WvW but realistically there isn’t any where else to go so you’ll have to wait like everyone else.

Planetside 2

Far better fix for massive scale combat than WvW.

Some bosses you just can’t melee at all, and trying to is just a detriment to the rest of your team.

Then stop playing and quit trolling the forums.

You clearly dislike everything about the game.

Not sure why some people are acting like you have to sacrifice damage to do support/control and that it is somehow detrimental.

Damage is almost entirely based on armor. Traits, for many classes, make only a small difference. On that same note, support and control come mostly from runes, sigils, and traits.

Yes, people trying to ONLY support or control are generally going to fail hard. Healing Power, I’m looking at you. Healing Power in it’s current state is nothing but a detriment to the game and serves as a noob trap.

leprekan.7248:

Want to give solid advice to new people? Leave them with this … don’t think in terms of what your skillbar does for you … think in terms of what the collective skillbars do for the group. Map the R key to your dodge roll .. you will look like a pro even when you oops and hit it

I prefer Shift.

Don’t even have to move my fingers as my pinky naturally rests on shift from it being sprint in all other games.

oney.5067:

thousands of people played the same gw1 content for 4 years and its audience barely diminished untill the day gw2 came out. it did not have a shelf life it needed an update or xpac.

It clearly had a shelf life if it needed an expansion pack.

And a small segments of plays will actually play any game indefinitely. There’s still people playing Diablo 2 and Starcraft. The vast majority of people eventually move on though when new content dwindles, as it pretty much stopped with GW1 several years ago.

If GW had an expansion the size of GW2, I’d be playing the hell out of it. But am I going to continue playing through content I’ve finished dozens upon dozens of times? Na.

evasionmoon.1345:

If you think GW1 was so good why you guys still dont play it then?

The same reason we aren’t all playing Pac Man or Super Mario Bros.

All content in a game has a shelf life. GW1’s content has long outlived it’s.

evasionmoon.1345:

i thought GW2 was suppose to be open world pve?

Not sure why you thought that.

It’s predecessor was entirely instanced.

Star Ace.5207:

But I see no reason to run all the time at melee range, as you will be hit anyway at such short range.

Circle strafing in melee range reduces damage taken by anywhere from 50% to 100%, depending on the fight.

AC SM for instance, most of the big bads can be almost entirely negated by simply circling them.

Volomon.9147:

I find this hard to believe. No rewarding loot? Like Ectoplasm? Jade Shards? Platinum? Salvaging for loot was just as important in Guild Wars 1. There was just no DR. It’s the exact same system except the people behind GW2 want to put our hands in cuffs when we play to much.

Acquiring a lot of Ectos, Platinum, and Jade Shards took just as much farming/grinding as dungeon tokens do in GW2. The only value ectos, platinum, and jade shards had was buying fancier looking armor. Dungeon tokens serve the same purpose.

JemL.3501:

its not the grind,is not enough rewarding loot plus DR

GW1 didn’t have any “rewarding loot”, and it did well for many years across 4 different campaigns.

Games can exist outside of a gear treadmill, believe it or not.

The atmosphere of MMOs in general kills my immersion.

Setting out into zones from GW, with only you and your party, are infinitely more immersive than walking into the zone, and killing a champion goon with 50 other random people.

Yeah, I’m not sure how enemy target acquisition actually works, but it does seem that toughness is pretty high on that priority list.

smiljem.4632:

I don’t mind dragging a lowbie around but to be honest, with two or three, we won’t make it. I don’t want to waste my time.

lol?

We did all 3 paths of AC the night before last with only 2 people over level 40, and only one 80. All within about an hour, some of the smoothest runs I’ve ever done.

azurrei.5691:

Tad.4109:

azurrei.5691:

right – you ran DUNGEONS – we shouldn’t have to run dungeons or fractals to earn a reasonable amount of gold – a lot of people HATE dungeons and prefer open world stuff (which by the way, was a major selling point of this game – open world activities.)

my guild is small and we have not run many dungeons yet. i am doing just fine financially doing open world content. i know some folks are tired of hearing this, but learning how the game economy works is critical if you want to make money. simple as that.

so true, but if we all wanted to be a day trader we would do it in real life, not in a game that is not at all about day trading (or maybe it is…) – flipping is for the lazy

So you want to have enough gold to buy anything from just mindlessly wandering around?

The only way that would be possible is if everything was just devalued to the point of being irrelevant.

Gehenna.3625:

It is more important to learn to dodge and target the same target and ress people that are down (not defeated). Once defeated you ress at the waypoint. Anything else is fluff. It’s more about learning the dungeons than your class because in the end you need to do roughly the same no matter which class you play.

I don’t know, my Necro feels vastly different in dungeons than my Guardian.

Guardian is all about being in melee range at all times to maintain protection and might on everyone while looking for good opportunities to throw up a Wall of Reflection to shutdown ranged mobs for pretty much the rest of the fight. There’s also the stopping of melee trains.

Necro is admittedly a lot less versatile, but it still has unique features compared to my Guardian. Spectral Grasp is awesome for pulling single mobs by themselves, interrupting big spells, and long chill. Swapping weapon sets and popping in and out of Death Shroud to keep melee bosses permanently Chilled is also pretty awesome. And of course, there’s fear to interrupt big spells as well.

Gehenna.3625:

In the end all you need is dodge, ress and auto attack and keep moving. So in large lines I agree with the OP.

But my problem with the combat system is that a lot of bosses just need you to move, dodge and ress and use skill 1 and 6. As much as the OP has a point, it also underlines for me why a number of people find the skill bar uninteresting. Not that all the other skills are pointless or useless….you just really don’t need em. And this means that creating a build isn’t as interesting as it could be.

Try running with PuGs.

Many are HORRIBLE at the game, and suddenly you need to squeeze everything you can out of those utility skills that have a way longer cooldown than they should.

TWMagimay.9057:

Again. Random aggro -> random mobs/bosses -> random dungeon runs.

Just…no.

Just because you don’t understand, don’t assume there’s no order to the chaos.

minion.6245:

So, in my 580 hours of guild wars 2 play I’ve probably amassed around 4k tokens from various dungeons and such.

Now I dont know if im just very unlucky, or your EXTREMELY lucky, but I havent made anywhere near 20g from running dungeons. Matter of a fact, I dont think I’ve even made 10g from all those dungeon runs (I think I’ve gotten 3 loadstone drops all those runs). Granted, i wasnt in it for the gold; but still. 20g in a few dungeon runs?

You get a few exotic drops or something?

You get like 1g a run.

How you acquired over 4k tokens but haven’t gotten over 10g I cannot fathom.

Ronah.2869:

From what I can see right now in the game, the non-grinding philosophy of A-Net has failed. People grind events for karma, grind dungeons for armors, grind for catching up with the storyline requirement.

It’s impossible to have a game where people don’t do the same things over and over but still somehow keep playing longer than a couple months.

Thz.7569:

There’s no reason to go zeal unless you’re running a spirit weapon.

10% increased damage all the time for 10 trait points isn’t bad.

If they are night capping you then you are night capping them.

Mayam.8976:

If you can whittle down the list of all those different “choices” that do really work as advertised you find that your right back to the same old “cookie cutters” that nearly every MMO boils down to.

Sorry to break it to you, but every game is going to have something that works better, and people are always going to find it.

If there were 3 builds to choose from literally labeled A, B and C, the community would figure out which one was better and that would be the “cookie cutter”. Hiding information doesn’t stop that, it only serves as a hindrance for people who don’t look up information.

azurrei.5691:

right – you ran DUNGEONS – we shouldn’t have to run dungeons or fractals to earn a reasonable amount of gold – a lot of people HATE dungeons and prefer open world stuff (which by the way, was a major selling point of this game – open world activities.)

Then your whining should be to increase open world rewards (which I agree, event rewards are terrible) instead of acting like it is impossible to get gold.

Thunderbrew.7034:

I really do feel bad for new players to this game. My exotic set costs 10 gold a month
ago, now thats probably up to 25 gold with NO easier ways to make money. In other
words, the costs have gone up massively, but the means to make the money have
seen nothing but nerfs.

lol?

In the past week or so from casually pugging AC EM a few times a night I’ve gathered enough tokens for a full set of armor plus over 20g.