Guild Wars 2

One thing to note. The reason why groups prefer zerker warriors/1mesmer combo is for efficiency and speed. I don’t doubt the ability to do a dungeon for most people who run other builds or classes, but lack of the dps can really screw a team of glass canons over because if dps is high enough, you don’t need to worry much about lasting in the fight because it’s over before you run out of small survivability options.

1. If you want to join a zerker group, I’d suggest leveling up a warrior.
2. If you don’t want to join a zerker group, I’d suggest starting your own cof p1 group.

You aren’t being forced to join these groups. But dungeoning for awhile now; you don’t need anything in COF p1 except DPS. May be sad, but true.

Panteras /15char

Not to be rude, but wouldn’t it be more efficient to post how to dodge the agony moves? And honestly agony resist is the most useful at maw, saves you a revive orb or carrying a ranger to the end when you get high enough.

Well, there’s pristine relics.

As always, I suggest the AH build:

0/x/30/20(at least)/5

This is if you are a fan of 2-handed weapons, balance among support/dps, and like to survive.

Try Sanctum of Rall and join in on GSCH’s Tuesday ventures through Tyria.

Shoot, if we could run like in Blade & Soul. That’d be great.

RedStar.4218:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Some ppl aren’t good at spacing between the shield which apparently pushes you into the lava ruthlessly. I think that’s the main source of deaths.

It’s a matter of observation. The shield pulses 4 times (or 3?) before being renewed. Of course, by the first pulse I was already out, but some of my guildies stayed in till the last moment.

And if someone isn’t good at something like this, they should train. It’s like players saying “oh I’m not even going to try to jump the laser grid, I’m bad at it”. Of course you are bad at it, but if you don’t practice, how can you get better ?

Lol I don’t disagree with you. This is mainly a L2P issue, but it’s less forgiving compared to others because you put the whole team behind if you die which can be frustrating for a person and his/her team.

RedStar.4218:

I did it recently. I dreaded this encounter because pretty much every post I read about it talked about how long we took to kill, that his health was way too high, etc.

We did it and defeated him rather quickly.
I asked my guildies why players were complaining so much for such a quick fight. They told me the horrible reality : in PuGs only 2 players attack the destroyer while the other 3 use the lasers…Why would you do that ?

How can you even fall into the lava more than once ? The AoE attacks give you plenty of time to get out of the way and I’ll admit that the first time you try to get out of the main platform you might jump at the wrong spot. But aside from that, it’s a pretty easy thing to do.

Some ppl aren’t good at spacing between the shield which apparently pushes you into the lava ruthlessly. I think that’s the main source of deaths.

A few things,

If you want to say a guardian is bad, I do not think the guardian forums is the best place to complain.
, try using the Suggestions Forum

If you want advice on how you can be better, try considering some advice constantly given by well-known guardians and experienced guardians in many different areas.

If the advice you are receiving is something you’ve done before and it doesn’t work for you. Roll another class instead of complaining how much you dislike the guardian or think is underpowered in the Guardian Forums, try Suggestions if you really want something changed.

But bottom-line, if you are not willing to change and adapt to be a better guardian with the mechanics that exist today while future balancing issues are pending, then don’t play a guardian, and don’t complain here. Submit a ticket. It’s very annoying to read posters pretty much want us all to agree and see their point on how guardians are bad. That’s very unproductive.

Zogyark.4597:

Been a while since I done this path but I believe you have to drag some mini golems with a gun to the boss so it explodes on the boss and therefore damage it faster?

You are thinking of the wrong boss. That boss you are talking about is the husk boss. Path 3 has a destroyer boss that can only be attacked after firing 3 lasers from a distance and then wailing on him. It’s hard because the shield pops up again very quickly and you have lava surrounding you which leads to a lot of waypoint zerg rushing if you get pushed out and die.

Also, with the new patch this path is going to be horrid because you can’t individually waypoint anymore. Once two of your attackers die. The whole team will have to wipe—which will suck.

Wethospu.6437:

I base my 35 minute estimation on duration of normal-speed video.
Your analysis is about right but I have horrible survivability. Most enemies kill me in 4-6 hits (this is exactly what I see some people complaining about their own class). Thing is as long as you can dodge you can deal with almost anything and this is a huge problem in PvE.

Yeah, I’ll agree the people who complain about their class when it comes to comparing survivability of a warrior with any other class are way wrong, because I believe keeping the warrior alive takes more skill than most classes, but dps check events are really annoying with people who are fully aware of their class, but really cannot generate as much damage output to complete the event..such as the burrow path 1 clear. Ele has the ice bow, Warrior has frenzy/100b and a lot of mobility moves. I may or may not be able to do it with a guardian, but sometimes I wonder about other classes on how much dps they can output to finish this 1 single part. Because it’s not a matter about dodging, it’s a matter about how fast you can get from one place to another and kill something. Your success is highly dependent on dps. And I guess this is just my main concern for this type of solo vid. Unlike your other vid, it motivated me because you showed that learning the enemy (such as lup) can make a big difference in battle. But although this video was really impressive and it did motivate me to learn how to really fight the spider/kohler/gravelings in the beginning—the dps check part is more dependent on the class than it is the player (once you know how the burrows come up and what to kill)—and conceding to the realization of that was kind of depressing.

Puandro.3245:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Alright, continued this with a guard, it’s not possible with my build due to lack of dps. I can’t kill the burrows fast enough to get back to Hodgins in time. So in that regard, I can’t full clear path 1 Can kill kohler, gravelings, and spider in one run. But holes are too difficult to do, and even if I get lucky, it’s hard to do a perfect clear (no death) with the guard due to the lack of dps. So I can see how people think warriors are more built for dps based parts of dungeons, but it does take a lot of skill to solo other parts.

You need full berserker to have a shot.

Yeah I realized that. I’m too cheap to change my traits though ahah. I already wear full berzerker equipment though. I just don’t have the traits set up that way.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Alright, continued this with a guard, it’s not possible with my build due to lack of dps. I can’t kill the burrows fast enough to get back to Hodgins in time. So in that regard, I can’t full clear path 1 Can kill kohler, gravelings, and spider in one run. But holes are too difficult to do, and even if I get lucky, it’s hard to do a perfect clear (no death) with the guard due to the lack of dps. So I can see how people think warriors are more built for dps based parts of dungeons, but it does take a lot of skill to solo other parts.

Actually, I may be able to do this with a summon elite aka hounds/mistfire wolf.

Alright, continued this with a guard, it’s not possible with my build due to lack of dps. I can’t kill the burrows fast enough to get back to Hodgins in time. So in that regard, I can’t full clear path 1 Can kill kohler, gravelings, and spider in one run. But holes are too difficult to do, and even if I get lucky, it’s hard to do a perfect clear (no death) with the guard due to the lack of dps. So I can see how people think warriors are more built for dps based parts of dungeons, but it does take a lot of skill to solo other parts.

Thanks for the link, yet another thing Anet scatters throughout the interweb without informing us -_-

Can we keep skill/class balancing separate in all of these areas—this is mainly because it’s frustrating to have to deal with these new balances as PvEr given that it does no good except nerf us to the ground. I don’t want to have to deal with people abusing or exploiting skills or whatnot in PvP areas and then make it nerfed for PvE; because while it may be fun to have a more balanced battle in WvW or sPvP—-it is NOT fun to do dungeons at a less optimal rate. Please design a tool to mod professions for these different areas so when patches come out to nerfs, it won’t affect the PvE community as much. PvP should always have class balancing, but PvE should NOT get affected by it imo unless it’s an actual bug. Just my $0.02.

themaster.9802:

The range on the attack is pretty short. Just use something ranged around 900 or more.

Yeah, I think the only thing that needs fixing is it’s animation? Like make the howl seem wider so it looks like what it actually does. I’m really surprised it’s a bug. It seemed like it was working as intended because obviously they are two different bosses. It’s nice that they have two different mechanics which can get people on the first try (“Oh man, this howl is different!”). But the distance is much shorter than the howler so intead of side dodging, just back dodge.

Nightmare.2815:

I didn’t see it in the video or in this thread but which traits did you take for your warrior?

Thanks

He mentioned that it was in the youtube description.

Wait…it was a bug? Pretty sure the 3rd path boss was always wide-ranged but couldn’t project as far as the howler.

Just tried this myself on guard. Spider took a bit to getting used to but finally learned how to anticipate his fang strike. The gravelings…oh gosh, was awful, I couldn’t deal with the scavengers at first then I realized it was better to pull them in the open room and try to burst down the breeder while baiting the scavengers pounce attack.

Currently, I’m stuck on kohler. Still need to learn how to shuffle my dodges and block. Maybe I should tackle the holes first just to see if I can even complete that path haha. Good challenge though.

+1 would enjoy this greatly

I agree somewhat. I dislike people who skip or exploit without good reason. Why skip when the person drops good loot and we can kill it fairly easily? Why exploit when the fight goes much faster without exploiting? No clue.

That means you were lucky enough to have a coordinated group. Some people do not know how to complete the torch event—-then it goes downhill from there.

Guardian if you want to have the least amount of stress in fotm.

Mesmer if you like support and nice tricks with portal; people look at mesmers for portal skips and time warp mostly. You need to be good at jumping (for like CoE for example) just in case people look at you for a portal assist. Not sure what mesmers can do outside this but I hear the shatter build has decent dps output.

Eles are actually the most versatile and can handle almost anything but you really need to become master of all the elements to be a great ele. If you are not committed to learning all the different combinations and when to use what from all your elements in various situations, then don’t play ele because you will die really easily. But they are really useful for any end game dungeon.

If you do this two Maw’s first two tentacles, he actually takes damage.

Nice, could you PM a link to your build Wethospu?

Yes. You can do it twice with different characters on the same tier.

Are you sure it was a steal? Or was it a traited move?

CTRL + F “Panic Strike”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_thief_traits

Hickeroar.9734:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

If you want more power, but also want to survive, try the AH template 0/0/30/20/10.

Then wear all zerker gear to maximize damage output. The toughness you get from the knight set won’t help as much in endgame PvE imo. Dodging, knowing when to proc aegis, and when to use shelter and renewed focus and self-healing is a lot more useful. And some areas you’ll find dps > anything else due to the bosses being easy but having high hp. For the highest damage output, use ruby orbs. But I went with rune of lyssa for the 6th ability (remove all conditions, gain all boons for 5sec).

Edit: And this can get you to lvl43 fotm at least from my experience.

Yeah, there’s a lot of debate around this. There’s a reddit post by a guard who is running the same build as me, and the same gear priority as me, and he is at lvl 63, but I think there’s a lot of leeway here. If you just adjust your play style to suit what you’re wearing you can ALMOST make anything work.

Agreed. But to the @OP if you use GS/Hammer and want to do an AH build, definitely keep at least 0/0/30/20/5 and plan the rest of the 15 to whatever else you want.

If you generally like thieves and knowing when to cloak and gtfo out of signs of danger, choose thief. If you like Avatar the last air bender, choose ele.

If you want more power, but also want to survive, try the AH template 0/0/30/20/10.

Then wear all zerker gear to maximize damage output. The toughness you get from the knight set won’t help as much in endgame PvE imo. Dodging, knowing when to proc aegis, and when to use shelter and renewed focus and self-healing is a lot more useful. And some areas you’ll find dps > anything else due to the bosses being easy but having high hp. For the highest damage output, use ruby orbs. But I went with rune of lyssa for the 6th ability (remove all conditions, gain all boons for 5sec).

Edit: And this can get you to lvl43 fotm at least from my experience.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Big and Floppy.6897:

I have a lvl 80 warrior, just got to 80 on my guardian.

Now, I was trying to find a build like my warrior (shout build that helps support my team but also does damage, because for most content, you really don’t need that much healing), I went with an AH build (0/10/30/30/0).

After some confusion I ended up gearing like my warrior lol, knights armor, zerker trinks, the hell with vit right? i use a gs on my warrior but have a hammer on my guard (superior sigil of blood on weapons due to high crit %).

stats:
Power: 1935
49% crit, 83 damage
Armor: 2771
Health: 13945, 300 healing power

other than my health, these are pretty solid stats, but I do like no damage. hammer is great for hitting a lot of enemies but in CoF exp a good MB crit is like 3200 dmg. even adding in my auto attacks and tick dmg to the enemy its nothing compared to the 17k+ dmg I can do with one hundred blades with my warrior and with max might stacks and vulnerability stacks on my target, 3k dmg with my last auto attack. (most of those stacks provided by myself btw)

so my big question, should i bother putting any emphasis on dmg at all? and if i go more tank, how would i support my team better? since healing power tends to be a waste. is AH not as good of a build as i think it is? cause it makes a lot of sense to me. in dungeons i tend to be fine, i die sometimes when overwhelmed, and i do have a hard time face-tanking bosses when i dont have melee next to me. but when i have a full melee group, i can face-tank nearly anything cause i can heal when i put boons on them. im sure an omnomberry pie would make me invincible but, id rather not spend 5s every 30 min!

sorry for the long post, i just feel like im missing something, with how im built on both characters my warrior seems to have a much better dmg to support ratio. i enjoy the mechanics of my guardian, but i still want to be effective!

You aren’t really doing an AH build if you don’t have at least 5 in Virtues. Most of the life-saving healing comes from virtue activation which doesn’t do much if you don’t have the extra boons from 5 Virtues.

I guess shouts and empowering might have nothing to do with AH?

I never said that. But not going 5 in Virtues makes the AH build not as potent.

Big and Floppy.6897:

I have a lvl 80 warrior, just got to 80 on my guardian.

Now, I was trying to find a build like my warrior (shout build that helps support my team but also does damage, because for most content, you really don’t need that much healing), I went with an AH build (0/10/30/30/0).

After some confusion I ended up gearing like my warrior lol, knights armor, zerker trinks, the hell with vit right? i use a gs on my warrior but have a hammer on my guard (superior sigil of blood on weapons due to high crit %).

stats:
Power: 1935
49% crit, 83 damage
Armor: 2771
Health: 13945, 300 healing power

other than my health, these are pretty solid stats, but I do like no damage. hammer is great for hitting a lot of enemies but in CoF exp a good MB crit is like 3200 dmg. even adding in my auto attacks and tick dmg to the enemy its nothing compared to the 17k+ dmg I can do with one hundred blades with my warrior and with max might stacks and vulnerability stacks on my target, 3k dmg with my last auto attack. (most of those stacks provided by myself btw)

so my big question, should i bother putting any emphasis on dmg at all? and if i go more tank, how would i support my team better? since healing power tends to be a waste. is AH not as good of a build as i think it is? cause it makes a lot of sense to me. in dungeons i tend to be fine, i die sometimes when overwhelmed, and i do have a hard time face-tanking bosses when i dont have melee next to me. but when i have a full melee group, i can face-tank nearly anything cause i can heal when i put boons on them. im sure an omnomberry pie would make me invincible but, id rather not spend 5s every 30 min!

sorry for the long post, i just feel like im missing something, with how im built on both characters my warrior seems to have a much better dmg to support ratio. i enjoy the mechanics of my guardian, but i still want to be effective!

You aren’t really doing an AH build if you don’t have at least 5 in Virtues. Most of the life-saving healing comes from virtue activation which doesn’t do much if you don’t have the extra boons from 5 Virtues.

If you have ectos and skill points, I’d suggest trying the mystic clover (10) recipe at a chance of lodestones or t6 mats.

On a side note, there are a good amount of forum posters on exploiting for you guys to start a non-exploit group! glhf

Astralporing.1957:

Lafiel.9372:

Xolosheep.1649:

Totally agree. This system is flawed. There are a couple times the game disconnects itself from the server in the middle of the cutscene right before the reward is given. I’m so glad that I wasn’t the leader of that run. That wouldn’t be fun for any of us if the connection dropped on just the leader and ruined it for the whole party. :S

Disconnection doesn’t render the kick. Only if the leader leaves the party or if he switches character does it kick everyone out.

It does work like that in fractals, where a disconnection kicks you out. If you happened to be a leader…

No it doesn’t. But I’ve heard some cases where if a person d/cs and leaves the party it will disconnect a person from the dungeon (prob only when the person who d/cs is the instance owner). But that could also be false information because a lot of people do not know how the current system works.

Derek.9021:

So I finished a dungeon, and I stayed in the last cut-scene a bit, and my husband left right away cause he saw it already.

He was dungeon leader… So when he left, we all got kicked and no one but him got the tokens or time to get the treasure. I don’ blame my husband at all, he felt bad too, even though he shouldn’t.

It is the dumbest system I have ever seen. I’ve also experienced trolling with it in past dungeons where the leader was having a bad time and he was like HAHAHAHA and just left and kicked us all out after being in there an hour.

This HAS to be changed. It doesn’t even seem on purpose. Really clunky and stupid.

Wait a minute—-pretty sure dungeon tokens only appear after everyone watches the cutscene, so what you are saying is impossible.

Edit: impossible unless there’s good loot they missed out on like 5s; but not much of a ‘miss-out’ imo. This is another topic on the bad instance owner design and I agree that it is bad and needs some immediate attention, but your experience seems kinda farfetched.

Edit: If he did leave before the final cutscene finished for everyone, that means he screwed everyone over—including himself.

1) Make a new char, get the helm
2) Go to the bank transmute helm to a white rarity armor
3) put the transmuted item in the bank
4) Let the other char pick it up
5) delete new char
6) transmute helm with your current char to a better stat helm piece

If you are a hardcore dungeon person, I would suggest 0/0/30/30/10 or 0/5/30/30/5 for Altrustic Healing (one of the best healing traits amounting to mini spike heals) and then EM which gives synergy to AH due to procing might per crit hit. You’ll find out later that survivability > DPS for dungeons. So this build gives you the one of the best survivability options allowing you to make up the loss of dps on zerker armor.

alcopaul.2156:

notice that your skills are support and yet you wear zerkers? it’s like wearing MF or it’s like a confused guardian.

If you want to support, use clerics. yes, your team mates could use that clutch regen from you.

but if you want to be a paladin/dmg guard, zerkers.

i don’t believe BS like not dying from using zerkers armor.

Alright, I may have exaggerated not ever dying, but that’s a technical call in that I don’t die easier than any other person I’ve been with up to lvl38, which is what I’m trying to explain to the OP. It is possible to do a great job and survive without dragging the team down. And no, I don’t rely on my teammates to protect me. Don’t be so negative alcopaul, I know what I’m doing.

Also, although his skill set choice is based on support, doesn’t mean he should go cleric. Healing isn’t gonna do anything for wall of ref, sheild of avenger, and retreat….However zerker can give him extra damage from afar. The amount of healing power cleric provides is not a major game changer.

Drop zeal cause it’s worthless. Invest in Valor for AH for a 0/0/30/30/10 build.

AH + EM = great survivability

All you need is 10 in Virtues for 20%+ consecration/sprit weapon lasting time which is what maximizes your reflects, you don’t really need 30 in virtues

GS/scepter+shield like you said

This can get you to lvl38 at least from my experience without dying (except at maw due to agony)

And yes, zerk equipment

I really liked this thread and it has quite a few ideas about alts that I would like to see in the game.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/16ayko/a_screenshot_of_an_accounts_worth_of_characters/

The main idea that I would like to see is:

- Have a home instance where you can see your alts
- You can hire your own alts for adventuring kind of like the hero system I’ve been hearing about in gw2

Oglaf.1074:

Kiserai.3957:

Oglaf.1074:

Because only a few were actually banned; the worst offenders.

They didn’t do it ten times.

They didn’t do it a hundred times.

They did it thousands of times.

Which, as discussed for the last few pages, is not in any way evidence of intent. It’s how salvaging for profit works.

If you knew that already and were making that point for another reason, then I apologize for missing your point…

Stop being willfully ignorant. You know kitten well that being able to turn 1 Ectoplasm Orb into multiple through Salvaging is not how Salvaging is supposed to work.

It is not meant to multiply Ectoplasm Orbs, for obvious reasons.

But turning a rare found off a drop and salvaging that for multiple ecto “orbs” or whatever you call is supposed to work? I think you got your point mixed up with crafting, which in this case, if you read, someone has provided a recipe that does not fit the pattern.

Also it was a new event, who are we to say all recipes will remain the same? And it was a limited time event. Who was to say that they only intended this to work for a short time.

Number 1 rule apparently, if it’s too good to be true, don’t do it. Or it’s an exploit and you will be permanenetly banned for it without warning.

On a happier note, there are a lot of stickied hot threads on what you need to know to start out. Cheers.

it’s just timing. Their stealth ends at a set time—all the time. So just practice a bit and when you hear their poof sound, double tap a direction to avoid it.

Mod didn’t close this thread? Should at least closed it if they knew it was a bannable offense. Freaking Anet.

If you craft the basic infusions, they will have a specific def/offense indication which can only be placed on def/offense accordingly.

The one from the golem is versatile which can be put on either def/offensive slots so yes it can be used on any ascended item.

Edit: there are craftable versatile infusions as well but cost a lot more to make.

Can’t read the article yet, but on topic I would like this to be addressed in the future in better communication. Although I really do dislike this incident and think it should be looked at; I want Anet to be better in handling this in the future so this doesn’t happen again. Someone mentioned PTR, that would be great. Or try out the 2nd offense route with temp ban/perm ban following. Or if they are going to mass ban people, let everyone know what is a bannable offense before banning and then ban people who persist—-I’m talking about using the ingame system mail

Choxie.9438:

Thanks very much for the info guys! I appreciate it. So what’s the most AR you can get? 5 infused backpiece w/5 AR infusion ~ 2x 5 infused rings w/5 AR infusions. So that’s like +30AR total right? Oh and a huge question, are the quivers worth it? I was contemplating on making the endless quiver so I’d have some AR resistance when I hit level 10 :o

Yes, 30 AR is the max currently until they release more ascended gear.

Depends, if you like a quiver or not. I didn’t want to get the mats for it and found making the ascended capacitor a lot more easier due to my constant fotm runs. Plus the capacitor is shiny if you upgrade it to its 3rd level.