Guild Wars 2

Excellent point, Crossaber.

You should be able to get a refund given you just purchased it. However, if you got some of those mini items, and added them, that might be an issue.

Pure speculation on my part to be fair.

One map? With three levels? For fifty bucks? No, I’d be done with this game. That’s beyond ridiculous. I know Living Story, rushed to appease the expansion crowd, content when I see it. And I don’t want to hear that argument about getting stuff ‘free’ for years either.

I’ve bought more than enough minis, seasonal items, etc. with gems to nullify that nonsense.

Now . . . if that map was massive maybe. It depends, again, on the amount of content.

Agreed. All they would need to do, at this point, is show us or tell us how much PvE content we are getting for the price offered. We really have no idea. And they want us to preorder it?

I don’t believe that’s too much to see what we are being asked to pay for.

Yeah, I get the feeling it’s a glorified bundle. But, until I see it and the content, that’s pure speculation.

Greymelken.1892:

Is that all its gonna take? A map?

What do you suppose the reaction will be if the map is indeed unveiled to use the entire grid of uncharted land on the map, the rest of Maguma, Cantha, and Elona?

Do you think the debate would rest, and the community unanimously agree that it was surely worth a 50 sheet?

What if they threw 2 new character slots?

This is a community that decided it was appropriate to get up in arms about an april fools day joke that had our characters making airplane noises, and this was somehow bad because a single plane somewhere on the planet just happened to crash ‘recently’.

There is no pleasing people, and no matter what you give them, they will find something to complain about. Me? I complain about people complaining.

I think something is better than nothing. Whether it would quiet them or not is moot. The point is they have no idea what they’re getting, overall, in PvE content. Asking to know what that content is, and how much of it there is, isn’t asking for the moon.

Saying people are whiners and complainers isn’t exactly helpful to the community nor this thread. And pointing out you complain about the complainer is telling in itself.

In fact, it’s downright ironic.

No, pretty much the same thing, Cure. It’s all good. If they’re refunding, as someone implied, it’s a moot point. I want to say I do appreciate you staying civil though.

Chances are I’ll buy the game regardless. Standard only. There doesn’t seem to be any other MMOs on the field or in the horizon to tempt me or others.

And I’m betting ANet is banking on that. It certainly kept DAoC alive for the longest time.

Hope this doesn’t get my in trouble, but I can recommend Marvel Heroes. It’s pretty fun and distracting while you decide. I’m loving me some Iceman.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I can understand and appreciate the OP’s opinion that the GW2 core game was a great value for him. It was for me, also. However, I find his use of what have become the standard internet forum tactics of belittlement and condescension to be reprehensible. Resorting to such tactics is a tacit admission that one’s actual reasoning is insufficient to carry a point.

Ashen is correct. ANet is a business and purchase of the game is a business transaction. HoT is also a business transaction. Consumers have the right to evaluate individual purchases based on the merit of that purchase alone. They can choose to trust the company, or not, but are in no way required to.

My personal belief is that consumers who do not make an effort to evaluate the value-for-money of a product are actually a detriment to the quality of life for others. If they pay more than the content is worth based on comparison shopping, then they are encouraging businesses — whose end-goal is usually going to be profit — to provide less product for more cost.

I’m not saying whether HoT is worth the price or not. I don’t know. Anet has not told me enough about the content to know. I know a lot about some of the features, but very little about the quantity and quality of the gameplay that is going to be available. When I know, then — and only then — can I make an informed decision. If I base my opinion on ANet’s additions to the game since launch, I’d say that I’m unlikely to purchase HoT. As a consumer, that is my right — and, I believe, my responsibility both to myself and to other consumers.

God, this. This, this, this.

WhiteCrow.5310:

You should watch this before making a decision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am9gVQB8gss

I have to say . . . that was scarily accurate. . . .

And I find it telling no one said Heart of Thorns alone . . . and this is GW2’s forums. Yeah . . . very telling.

I’m in the same boat. Waiting to see ANet’s response. Right now, I’m not buying something without knowing what I’m getting overall. To me, it’s not a question of price but what I’m getting for that price.

And I’m not talking a mini, title, glider, and beta access . . . I’m talking the actual game . . . the content . . . which they don’t seem to want to talk about. . . .

I have to say some of the recent responses made me think that too.

It’s my understanding they recently edited that statement anyway. But, I will admit, I’m surprised at some of the venom, especially the rude and personal attacks, on the boards when a counterargument or counterpoint is voiced.

But I’ll leave that to the moderators.

Drayos.8759:

i’d Agree with you, if they DIDNT refund the Cost of their Inital Purchase if they had bought the game from this site within 30 days of Today.

For the sake of clarity, do you have a link to this information?

Exactly. It’s not a question of cost so much as a question of what exactly are we buying. Again, it’s such a simple fix: just show us the updated map.

We’ll pretty much know what we’re getting then, I think.

An interesting solution.

Oh I’m not one of those people, but that’s one of the arguments made.

You just happened upon a nest of trolls. Truly, the community overall is very nice. I think today is just a bad day for some. The forums today point out why.

Lord Kuru.3685:

You know those movies where all the best parts are in the trailer? That’s what people are suspecting in this case. Particularly since Anet is usually not shy about (over) hyping the amount of content they put out. What they decide to show compared to other companies is just a function of their style of promotion.

Bang. +1

Technically, Cure, that’s not correct. ANet told us that the core game was needed to play the expansion. So . . . people bought the core game beforehand. Heck, some bought it days before this release.

And now? You get the core game with the expansion. That’s three shades shady to more than few people who shelled out that money. You’re ‘soda and chips’ example is moot in that regard.

And yes, you do have the right to be angry. I’m not saying it is or isn’t justified. I’m just saying it’s why many people on the boards are peeved with this announcement is all. Again, if I bought something for forty dollars at Wally-World, and then the next day they gave it away . . . um . . . yes. I have the right to be angry.

Whether it’s a fair business practice is a different question.

Definitely. Best item I’ve ever purchased from the gem store. I get sprockets all the time. They added up to a lot of gold over the past year.

It’s something. Hopefully, there’s a light at the end of this mess. Right now, I can’t get any of my friends or family to buy the expansion if I tried.

Sad because I really like this game, but this was a huge miscalculation.

Isn’t that sad in itself? They could fix this, today, by telling everyone the huge amount of content coming. If that’s what’s coming. But it’s nothing but crickets.

It beggars the question: why?

And, I’ll tell you, most have already drawn their own conclusions: they’re not showing much because there’s not much to show.

CureForLiving.5360:

And this is where OPs argument comes in. Veteran players have already gotten their value for money out of the core game. OP views this “veteran players have to be rewarded” as being entitled. I’m not sure exactly how I feel about it, I do feel however that ANet doesn’t really owe veteran players anything since well veteran players paid for the game and they got the game. For me it’s similar to when someone buys the game and a year later it goes on sale and then veteran players complain about that (which is actually a thing that happened on these very forums).

Customer X stayed with a business since it opened. He’s bought various menu items in the store and praises the game. Then, one day, the owners push Customer X aside, after he just bought a big meal, to pamper a new customer who may or may not stick around. The owner now also wants Customer X to repay for a previous meal, or a meal he just bought a moment ago, if Customer X wants dessert. And it will cost twice as much if he wants silverwear.

Should Customer X be angry? What price does the business put on Customer X’s loyalty? Should Customer X suck it up and be happy because he got good service beforehand?

That’s the question ANet is asking its most loyal players. And it’s not one that should’ve been ever asked in the first place. It’s not entitlement.

It’s asking to be treated with respect as a paying, and loyal, customer.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Thanks for the video link of what the higher prices will get you. However I already have a Rytlock mini, lots of titles and no real interest in those guild hall decorations. The only thing of interest might be the glider skin, but somehow I suspect there will be more glider skins later in the gem store. (I also already have the base game but that’s another story).

When I get it, it will be the cheapest version.

I’m in the same boat. The only thing that interests me is the mini. And, if history is any indication, I’ll eventually be able to purchase that on sale in a year or so when I upgrade with a handful of gems . . . if I decide to stick around.

I love your signature by the way. So freakin’ true.

nehezbegar.1065:

But the difference is, i go to work now and won’t visit this forum till the next expansion like some ppl here. So if You have any stuff to say to me, do it ingame

Um . . . but you still voiced your opinion on the forum. Whether once or a thousand times . . . it doesn’t make a difference. You are now part of that 1% vocal minority.

And honestly? I think you know it too.

Can’t say I blame you, but I recommend you wait it out and see. Hopefully, all these complaints will make ANet realize something is . . . amiss. . . .

nehezbegar.1065:

DId i say he is wrong? I just don’t agree and vocal my opinion. -.-’

You do realize you’ve nullified your own opinion with your very own argument, right? Since, you know, you’re now also part of that minor, vocal, and complaining on the forum crowd now . . . right?

I hope you see the irony in what you’re saying.

I can only speak for myself, but I play one character and one class. I’m not guilded. I don’t WvW, and I barely PvP. So, given your criteria, no. Fifty dollars is not worth it at this point in time. But, yes, 16.66 (interesting number) would be for me.

I’ll round it up to twenty, and I’d still be fine. Again, given what I’ve seen, as little as it is so far, I’m not impressed enough to spend that on glorified Living Story.

Sorry, but it is what it is.

Markhov.4603:

Another thing is we need to pay to play betas? That is ridiculous too!

(laugh) I’m so glad I didn’t farm for that beta drop item now. Saw this one coming a mile away.

Thank you for posting this. Edit: Man, now I’m more on the fence than ever . . . and not in a good way. . . .

I think the bigger issue is it appears the amount of content doesn’t justify the price tag. That’s more of a marketing and promotion problem than anything. If the public saw a huge amount of content, I would bet you wouldn’t hear these complaints.

But, for right now, the content appears to be around three or four Living Story updates with a new class. The rest is gravy with updates to skills and the like.

That’s a problem and a reason for the unhappiness on the forums. I’ll not get into that business about repaying for something we’ve already bought. Double-dipping doesn’t even begin to cover that.

xBrownZ.7360:

Two hours ago Guild Wars 2 “DIGITAL HEROIC EDITION” was sold for $40. Then they added the expansion for $50 including the $40 game without the 3 extra meh items… that no one cared much for anyway. So yeah.. we gotta buy the game again for $40 it seems, and then pay $10. Great job.

Yeah, that is all kinds of shady.

Deth.4109:

Shifu.4321:

Isn’t $40-$50 the standard price for an MMO xpac? I’m kinda confused since I paid $60 for WoW expacs and the upcoming FFXIV xpac is $40 (not counting the monthly fees).

Can anybody point me to a $20 expac? I can’t seem to find one.

I think City of Villains cost twenty dollars. All the expansions to Fate cost that or under. Same with Torchlight’s followups. The original Diablo expansion, with the monk, was also twenty dollars or so.

Just off the top of my head. Edit: Oh and Age of Conan’s Godslayer expansion was under twenty too. Give or take five dollars, if I recall. And, of course, you have the original Guild Wars expansions. I think Eye of the North was the only truly ‘expensive’ one, and at the time it was thirty dollars.

MokahTGS.7850:

Well I’ll just respectfully disagree

I have to admit, this really put my wife and me on the fence about buying the expansion. If any game was on the horizon, I think it be a done deal. I can’t believe they can’t see the issue given the amount of content offered.

nehezbegar.1065:

The ppl who complain on the forums are 1% of the playerbase, so who cares. I won’t miss them.

If they stop playing it will be healthier for the community and maybe new, fresh blood will complain less with this expansion.

I remember a similar argument on the City of Heroes and Warhammer Online boards. I hope I don’t have to point out the irony in their past and your current opinion. Sincerely.

So . . . how much do we love paying for an expansion now as opposed to getting Living Story and content updates for free? Man, it’s like some posters had a crystal ball when they foresaw this one.

Props to those who saw it coming.

chemiclord.3978:

$50 is pretty much industry standard for an expansion pack. The current expansion including “previous versions” is ALSO pretty much the industry standard.

You deserve the nothing you think you got.

This would be true if the the amount of content was also industry standard. Clearly, given the information so far, it is not. So your argument does not stand. Also, your argument might be true if this was the third or fourth expansion.

Given it’s Guild Wars 2’s first, again your argument does not cut muster for reasons I hope I don’t have to explain.

Regardless, it feels shady. But others have already have said why elsewhere. And the saddest thing of all? We could’ve got all of it for free . . . but that’s another topic too.

DeWolfe.2174:

Jski.6180:

Ashen.2907:

Isn’t $40 – $50 pretty normal for an MMO expansion ?

It is ppl just want it for free.

No, not free at all. If the basic upgrade path for existing players was $35, there wouldn’t be such ill feelings and complaints. Especially when they’ve been putting accounts on sale and many of us have purchased additional accounts. Now it’s going to fracture our game play as Anet will be lucky if players buy one xpac, let alone a handful of them at these prices.

Bingo.

Julie Yann.5379:

If the expansion had 50$ worth of content and they were throwing the core game in for free to new players then it wouldn’t be an issue. The trouble is Anet hasn’t shown any indication that the amount of content being delivered in the xpac is worth amount.

Again, bingo.

LariscusObscurus.8127:

While the price point does not bother me much I think that there is absolutely no incentive to pre-order anytime soon as there is not even a release date announced yet.
Even the closed beta does not have any dates set as of now and for all I know HoT could release in spring 2016.

Furthermore there is not much information available regarding the content of HoT and, I have to say, it does not look like it is much from what I have seen until now.
Three new areas, guild halls and a bunch of specializations sound like a content patch and not like a proper expansion to me, especially when compared to the GW1 expansions.

Again, winner. I hope ANet is reading these comments and sees the light. I really do.

I’m waiting to see if they change the price or offer a discount for people who already have the core game. Didn’t buy it right away for reasons already expressed. Waiting to see ANet’s reaction.

Because random strangers tend to make the RP people nervous. Some of the commentary on the boards, about RP, give reason why. It’s not personal . . . but protection from trolls.

Despite the nerfs, I still love Queensdale. Fond memories there. But, yes, it’s not the same.

I want to see these changes live before I comment.

Overall, barring trolls and certain ‘special’ people in PvP, the community is awesome.

This is like asking if Divinity’s Reach should exist because of The Searing.

Nope.

Awesome.

I’m curious. How can anyone have an ‘honest assessment’ of an expansion that is neither complete nor available to play?

Seriously? This is the special announcement? Well . . . okay. . . .