Guild Wars 2

Unfortunately, they nerfed the heck out of bandit chest farming some time ago. So much so, most don’t bother anymore. I know because I have like 60+ shovels in my backpack. And no keys. And I’m not buying keys with crests.

Saving crests for the next update. Which will undoubtedly require a bucket-load for the last two pieces of armor.

Finally, I agree with you. We said the exact thing about when the majority is done, the zone dies. So far, Silverwastes is teetering, but there are still people going from breach to breach because it can be profitable to farm rares and the like.

Not the chests. Not anymore. Not at all.

Sorry to say, but until something changes, it’s unlikely you’ll find a ‘group’ farming the chests outside of some guild runners. This will probably change a little bit when the next update to Silverwastes happens. But, my apologies for being the bearer of bad news, the day of Bandit Chest farming is dead.

And there it is.

Pretty much. Seems the grass is always greener elsewhere, yet they seem to stick around here for some reason.

Seems to me, Bob needs to get a life.

Subdue.5479:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Bell Choir is too hard to complete is what they’re saying. It doesn’t scale because the other players can’t help you, if you can believe that.

If that’s the case, as far as too many players, find another quest? One not surrounded by people? Wait to do it when the zone isn’t saturated with players all trying to get it done? Maybe group with those people? Those are just three ways, off the cuff, to fix this so-called problem.

Let’s not even go into ANet’s past philosophy please. Given the radical changes since the start, I think that’s a whole ’nother topic.

…You do realize once a train has started, it’s possible to clear every event in a zone and end up waiting for the next one to restart, right?

And yes, people could “wait until the area is less saturated, or choose another option.” Those are very really choices. However, people should choose to do or not do various dailies based on whether or not they want to do them, not based on an oversight by A.Net.

Also, while a lot has changed in the game, that particular part of A.Net’s design philosophy has been very consistent. It’s built into the drop tables, and it’s built into the way experience is distributed.

It’s one thing to disagree with someone’s complaint and state a reason for why the change would not be beneficial. It’s completely different to be argumentative just to be argumentative. You’ve actually not stated why you think scaling on the events shouldn’t be adjusted to accommodate the larger populations that A.Net has intentionally driven into the zones; you’ve just covered your ears, shook your head, and chanted, “Nope nope nope…”

Are we saying the train has taken all the events in the daily zone now? So, there’s no way to complete them? Again, did mine in less than fifteen minutes. People were calling events out too. No one else in the zone was shedding tears.

No, that can’t be it.

Okay, waiting for an event to start is unrealistic because that’s an oversight on ANet’s part. Because, heaven forbid, you have 24-hours to do the thing. Surely, it doesn’t have to be done now, now, now. Does it?

No, making people wait to do a daily is wrong too.

Okay, maybe there aren’t enough events in a zone? Hmmm. Seems everyone is getting them done within a timely manner. Maybe an hour for some. Maybe two? Most seem to be done in fifteen minutes or less. Just four events, right? But, I guess that’s too long of a wait and too many to do for a thing that lasts 24-hours. Instant gratification must be met.

Yes, the new daily for PvE is terrible because you can’t get it done instantly. Therefore, it’s ANet’s fault for now seeing this. So shortsighted. And against their philosophy.

. . .

I trust you are getting my point?

If there’s a problem, you’ll find I’ll be one of the first to say so. If the problem is within the game. But if the problem is feeding a players’ need for instant gratification? Because something took a little more time and effort to complete? Well, please do call me argumentative. Because that’s straight up babying the player-base.

Really didn’t think I needed to spell all that out, but I didn’t think we needed to spoon-feed posters the obvious either given the thread’s topic.

Silly, I know.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Living Story episodes in 2014: 11. Now count the weeks. No do the math.

Fine. Let’s not include the seasonals, the gem store items, the return sales on gem store items, the free items ANet sends you via mail for purchases, the special events, and other criteria you decided to skip in order to make your point.

Please tell us what other MMO adds as much content within a year that doesn’t add it all after two years with a $40.00 or more in an expansion you must wait a year or more to see?

If that game is so special, why are you still here complaining about this one?

Keep in mind, this thread was posted to congratulate the developers on winning that award. If you don’t like it, fine. But there’s no need to poo-poo all over the place because you feel . . . they don’t offer enough content?

I’m not claiming this game walks on water, but think about what you’re saying.

Bell Choir is too hard to complete is what they’re saying. It doesn’t scale because the other players can’t help you, if you can believe that.

If that’s the case, as far as too many players, find another quest? One not surrounded by people? Wait to do it when the zone isn’t saturated with players all trying to get it done? Maybe group with those people? Those are just three ways, off the cuff, to fix this so-called problem.

Let’s not even go into ANet’s past philosophy please. Given the radical changes since the start, I think that’s a whole ’nother topic.

Minimalistic? Are we playing the same game? Typically, every two weeks, there’s new content. New items added to the gem store. New zones. New cinematics. New quests. New story lines. New events. New achievements.

Every. Two. Weeks.

What other MMO does that?

I like it. Now I’ve mastered Frosty the Snowman during that break. Gives me time to unwind between the songs. Maybe rush to the bathroom or grab a drink. I think that’s the purpose of the break. You know . . . to take a break.

But, these days, most people get their daily and get out. Sorry if you happened to zone in when the break happens.

It may be an inconvenience to you, in your haste to get it done and over with, but it’s not a waste of time for those staying to do more than just dailies.

Just something to consider.

Subdue.5479:

This, however, is not a problem with the daily. It’s more a problem with event scaling, and it’s a problem that A.Net already knows how to fix, as it doesn’t become an issue in the new maps like Drytop and Silver Wastes.

Oh come on. Now it’s not scaling to your liking? Now we’re saying here that things are too easy because they don’t scale? Another threads says an event is too hard because it does. What are you people?

The Goldilocks of MMOs?

Sit your butt in an area where an event repeats with regularity. Problem solved.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

I crafted an ascended chest yesterday, does this count as “still playing the game”. If so, I feel free to comment on this board as an active player.

Doesn’t change the fact, that if this game had offered any less than we got in 2014, we would have gotten nothing. Best established MMO of 2014 my kitten…

I didn’t quote you, therefore I wasn’t talking to you. But, let me repeat, losing your kitten because some random website awarded a game you don’t care for, yet still play for some deranged reason, doesn’t mean they called your baby ugly.

It means they saw something they liked that either you didn’t see or disagree with. All this hand-wringing is nonsense. It’s not like you lost the award. As far as I know, you’re not an MMO in the running.

This endless complaining about a bunch of nothing is mind-boggling.

So . . . you’re mad that others are getting to an event before you can? And it’s unfair? You know you can wait in certain areas for said events to occur . . . right?

I just now finished my dailies in PvE. This included most of the Wintersday ones. Didn’t do snowball fight or jumping puzzle. Did the Fields last.

Took me, maybe, fifteen minutes? I’m not sure because I decided to craft backpacks for their skins since I crafted jeweling tools for my masterwork daily. Just getting them out of the way to add more skins for the wardrobe achievement.

. . .

Why is this a new trend on the boards lately?

Tiffany.8576:

nGumball.1283:

MMOs aren’t created to be so easy that they don’t even require you to try.

The problem is, most are. Including this one. Players are not used to the prospect of failure in video games these days. Hell, people are not used to the prospect of failure in life; kids these days are given “final runner-up” medals when they finish last at school sports races and whatnot to shield them from having to admit the prospect of failure. Everyone’s a winner in today’s society, and darned if you hint otherwise.

The world, and gaming in particular, has fully embraced this celebration of mediocrity to the point that people feel something is wrong with the game if they can’t “win.”

This is a sad commentary, but undoubtedly a correct one. The recent responses about how ‘impossible’ the bell choir is make me pause. Especially since everything else is a cakewalk. Literally. But, when you coddle a community for so long, they tend to demand more and more of the same over time.

Even with their entertainment.

Seems self-defeating in the long term but, given the statements and opinions of late, not a surprising one either.

I must admit I’m surprised by so many people kitten over Guild Wars 2 winning an award. If World of Warcraft is so great, please feel free to play and post on their boards. Coming here, when it’s obvious you no longer play, to kick and scream about some random award is just silly.

I know this option still exists with Guild Wars 1 since I just bought Eye of the North. Also, I know this used to be the case with the game years ago, but it’s been a while.

I’ll double-check to see if this option is still available through upgrade or a similar method.

Edit: Apparently that method is now gone. You can only upgrade through the gem store. I’ll delete my first post to avoid confusion.

What Inculpatus cedo said is correct. My apologies for providing obsolete information.

I just sold the junk to a vendor, instantly and all at once, for a handful of silver. We get this for turning in shards that some of us don’t even use for anything.

It’s basically free money.

And you want them to give us less or tone it down? May I ask why?

Filaha.1678:

If someone is known for their contributions to a specific game, why would they be credible in deciding that game is best?

I’d sooner take the word over someone who’s known for having played all the games than providing a bunch of information about one.

You have no idea who Wooden Potatoes is, do you?

Interesting. Thank you for the clarification, Crimson.

No worries. Good luck.

She can’t be for real. My God, that so shameful if she was for real. But that’s for the laugh.

Your mailbox is full. You must delete something. I think it can only hold 10 mails at a time.

Pretty much what both Targren and Crimson said. Sad state, but again, train your brain to bypass posts when you see certain names.

It’s easier than you think.

Necromancer is the class you want then. They can melee, cast spells, hit hard, survive, have pets that are not more important than you, have ranged, and tend to not be squishy given their toughness and hit point pool.

You’ll have to spec a specific way not to kill slow though.

But it sounds like necromancer is for you.

Edit: Observe – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk2NNMxp3t4

Andred.1087:

More like welcome to life. You can check out Fox News for live action examples.

Very, very true.

saventis.1485:

What do you do when someone is consistently “screaming” about there topic and dosnt understand rational thought and then does it all over again in every related topic
followed by creating new topics and making the problem as a whole seem much much larger than it is.

ignorance frustrates me and there is alot of it on the forums

(i do understand im not always right btw, i know when to shut up heh)

Unfortunately, rationality seems to fall deaf on their ears. Yes, we all know the people you speak of. At this point, I recommend you report them if you feel they’re out of line.

Unfortunately, again, I get the impression the moderators are understaffed with the holidays right now. So we’re seeing stuff that would normally get the chopping block pretty instantly.

For now, ignore them if they frustrate you. Spinning your wheels isn’t worth it. I have a list of names I now ignore when I see their names. That list grows daily. But that’s the nature of forums.

And, as Targren correctly points out, life on the Internet for that matter.

From my personal experience, I would tell you ranger. But that “Good in PvP roaming” criteria is questionable for ranger depending on your specs and gear.

And yes, the traits and skills can get complicated.

Honestly, it depends on your playstyle. Do you like melee? Spellcasting? Ranged? Pets? Minions? Hitting hard and killing fast? Killing slowly with DoTs? Surviving better than anyone?

Again, these questions will lead you to the class for you.

Yes, because those filthy casuals aren’t an entire group of people to begin with. We best make it even harder to not include them in any achievement. That’ll teach those people with an opposite opinion. How dare they say “get good.”

You’ll make a thread mocking them to get even. Oh no. That’s not projection. That’s not sarcasm. That’s not trolling or baiting. No Sir, they need to step up their game while you step down yours.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Is that legal? I mean, in-game-wise? Seems shady.

Before you climb atop that lofty tower, let me show you something:

Dave.2536:

So there seems to be a group of people in this forum that enjoys feeding on the tears of those who are unable to complete either the Bell Choir or the JP. Because the stuff is supposedly so trivial, surely they would support the proposal to replace the casual achievements with “real” ones?

I mean, come on, why should festival content be easy anyways? We already have loot pinatas world bosses for that! Those filthy casuals deserve nothing and should stop feeling entitled!

The attempt is to talk down to their peers and fellow posters. The attempt is to use sarcasm to troll those posters you feel should create a better argument. The attempt is what this thread is all about.

You’ve projected what your doing to those posters who feel the opposite.

If you can’t see that, then yes. We’ve both wasted our time. So let’s let a moderator decide it instead, shall we?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Should-i-play-a-guardian-or-play-warrior/first#post4648095

Recent discussion with varying points-of-view. Might help.

Dave.2536:

I will, however, continue to call them hypocrites until they develop an argument stronger than one of ‘anti-change status quo’.

You do realize it’s the height of irony to call them hypocrites, especially given the nature of this thread, and demand they develop a stronger argument when you and you-know-who have repeated your exact same argument throughout the day in more than five threads now?

You do realize that, don’t you?

Edit:

I don’t do them but do you even get anything for these dalies?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Giant_Wintersday_Gift

The contents and containers are at the bottom.

The sad thing is, if I was a betting man, I’d guess you had a crystal ball given this year ending. Hope you’re wrong, but I get the feeling. . . .

Dave, you have every right to believe that. But what you did was this:

zombyturtle.5980:

I also think its childish of you to make a troll post like this to insult others who took the time to reply to the original thread just because you dont like what we say.

So . . . your post wasn’t sarcasm? Alright, then my suggestions stand. But if it wasn’t sarcasm, why did you say this?

Dave.2536:

Yeah I agree. My list was not hardcore enough.

Festival content needs to exclude even more people than 550 would.

The truth is, this thread is exactly what Zomby says it is. With a baiting response included. You guys wanted responses. You got them.

Why are you acting like we ruined your party now?

Dave.2536:

There was never any serious discussion to start a two-way conversation in the first place. All I saw was people feeling validated by mediocrity telling others to stop being bad.

Oh . . .

Dave.2536:

So there seems to be a group of people in this forum that enjoys feeding on the tears of those who are unable to complete either the Bell Choir or the JP. Because the stuff is supposedly so trivial, surely they would support the proposal to replace the casual achievements with “real” ones?

I mean, come on, why should festival content be easy anyways? We already have loot pinatas world bosses for that! Those filthy casuals deserve nothing and should stop feeling entitled!

Djinn.9245:

Players who love challenge should be flocking to your post – I wonder where they are?

I tend to call it like I see it. Nasty habit, I know. Again, Happy Wintersday.

Dave.2536:

Notice how the “get good” arguments stopped in the other threads as soon as I and others stepped in.

Oh there was a reason you saw a lack of response in those, supposedly ‘get good’, arguments when you and a certain other poster brought out your talking points yet again. But it’s not for the reason you apparently think.

I could tell you the reason, but I suspect that would result in another ‘La la la. I can’t hear you" response . . . if that tells you anything.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Veydar.5017:

I fail to see how optional tasks should be equally free of any challenge whatsoever.

According to some people Wintersday tasks are not optional because it is a holiday event.

;)

Oy vey, I actually remember seeing that complaint.

Dave.2536:

Yeah I agree. My list was not hardcore enough.

Festival content needs to exclude even more people than 550 would.

Oh? You wanted to exclude people? Well why didn’t you say so?

1. Be the only player on your platform in Bell Choir. Earn a perfect score for all three parts. Any mistakes restarts the achievement. Anyone who joins restarts the achievement. Any complaining restarts the achievement.

2. Climb to the very top of the dome at the Wintersday Festival. Dive into a pile of snow. The snow will randomly move to various locations throughout the day. You must survive the fall.

3. Play the song Wizards of Winter on the free round of Bell Choir. Make no mistakes in two minutes. Here’s the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFLOh44P5z0 Again, two minutes and no mistakes.

4. Convince someone on the board that sarcasm is a two-way street. Have them see your point of view and acknowledge that baiting their peers for responses is naughty, not nice.

Happy Wintersday.

Serophous.9085:

Oh oh!

• Earn top score in winter wonderland

I didn’t even know they were ranked . . . there’s one I’d never get. (laugh)

Ugh. This is another reason why I don’t craft. Good luck getting that pre.

Dave.2536:

Because the stuff is supposedly so trivial, surely they would support the proposal to replace the casual achievements with “real” ones?

• Donate 1 gold to Ho-Ho-Tron
• Score 100 on a “hard” song in Bell Choir
• Score 550 overall in Bell Choir.
• Complete Winter Wonderland twice in a row without dying
• Complete Winter Wonderland 5 times
• Open 100 gift boxes
• Insert your own “legitimately difficult” daily achievement here!

1. Did it.
2. Did it.
3. Did it . . . I think
4. Probably couldn’t do that one. But my wife would do it for me. She loves that mess.
5. Ugh. Same as #4.
6. This should be 1000 boxes. 100 you could do in ten minutes.

My own? Sure!

1. Kick over 100 skritt while defending the Dolyak Gift train.
2. Build 100 snowmen.
3. Play at least one perfect song in the lower, middle, and higher parts of Bell Choir.
4. Earn top scorer five times in Bell Choir.
5. Earn a place in the Top Three in Bell Choir.
6. Salvage at least 1,000 socks, hats, or sweaters.
7. Drink 100 tonics. Endless tonics do not count.
8. Win Champion status as a Wintersday mini at least five times.
9. Survive 10 helpings of Bloodstone Chilli.
10. Kill Champion World Boss Grinch that invades Divinity’s Reach.

Just off the top of my head. By the way, most of those achievements are real, but disguised as Wintersday ones. They’re very much in the game.

Just so you know.

Impossible. The Picard sayeth thou shalt do the dailies. Or one will burn in eternal hellfire.

The Picard said, “Make it so.”

And it was.

Thank you for posting this. It’s awesome to see the current seasonals are also part of the Living Story regardless.

It applies. The first Wintersday events were nothing like these. This year, I give a copper to Ho-Ho-Tron and earn an achievement. The first year? It was survive 30 rounds of toy assaults with all your dolyaks staying alive. This year it’s open five Winterday’s presents and you earn another achievement. That first year? Win ten rounds of Snowball Mayhem, and steal the gift ten times from someone else, and then run it to your base X-amount of times too. You must win the battle to progress.

The policy, and its simplification and lack of effort, is the same regardless.

Long ago, just before Guild Wars 2 came out, there was a promo video, I think from a developer, who was saying that the game would allow lay players to do certain things with ease.

But it would also reward skilled players who could do the harder content. Solo or otherwise.

It seems so strange that this policy, so praised by players, is now the one posters complain about the most. The game was never meant to be easy all the time, and all the way through. Certain events and quests were meant to be a challenge.

Yet, over the last three years, we’ve seen this dumbing and easing down effect throughout the game.

And still, even now, it’s still too hard and unfair for some. I say it will always be too hard and too unfair to someone out there. That does not mean make the content easier.

It means you’re not up to the challenge. Please don’t take that as an insult. I couldn’t do certain things in the Queen Jubilee and just didn’t achieve the reward. And believe me, I tried. I really tried. Hard. But I couldn’t defeat the last boss.

Others could. Others got the reward. Was that fair?

Yes. Yes, it was. Because they tried harder, had the talent or skill, and they met the challenge. The answer is not make the content easier. The answer is knowing your own limitations. And learning from your mistakes.

And if a game makes you have a breakdown because you couldn’t get all the rewards, maybe it’s time to ask why. Because if a game makes you feel this powerless, real life is going to take you for a ride.

Serophous.9085:

So…..like little league baseball?

“Its OK kids, even if you lost to a more skilled team, you still get a shiney trophy to take home saying ‘I tried!’ So you don’t get low self-esteem and feel bad”.

Sounds pretty accurate so far.

Djinn.9245:

None of the rest of your argument pertained to the discussion at hand so I ignored it.

Are you familiar with the term: Confirmation bias? You should look it up.

Someone would come here and complain it wasn’t fair for some reason.

Really? That’s all you got out of that? Nothing about all the free items. Nothing about the free content. Nothing about the seasonals. All this free.

Nothing about paying for games that no longer exist? Nothing about paying a subscription for games that are now free to play? Nothing about any of that?

Instead, you want to focus on a digital item, that doesn’t exist, that you paid or created one or two years ago, as being unfair to you because now new people who didn’t have the opportunity to get them, can now earn one of them, for free by completing the achievement, because as a long-term player, you are not getting something shiny and new too? And that’s unfair.

That’s your argument?

Are you absolutely sure you want to defend that position?

I’m starting to see a trend with you. Yes, you are supposed to choose the 100 gifts if you have all the minis. Why in the world would you choose the mini if you already have it?

Why wouldn’t you choose the hundred gifts?

I didn’t get squat from the Halloween bags either. But you don’t see me bemoaning that fact on these forums do you?

I’ll do you one better. I bought Warhammer Online, City of Heroes, and Hellgate. Collector’s Editions, my friend. And guess what? They are now dead games. Offline. No longer exist.

Should I get my money back?

How about this? I bought Star Trek Online, Age of Conan, and Star Wars the Old Republic, when they were subscription games. Paid a subscription too. And now they’re free to play.

Should they refund me? It is a slap in the face to me now? Because I paid top dollar for something that’s now free to download and play?

That’s your and the OP’s argument. And it doesn’t cut it in the real world. We call that a too bad, so sad, suck it up situation.

Which I suggest you do.