Guild Wars 2

Nice video, Jumper! S/D is pretty neat for 1×1s and some 2×1, but it’s initiative hungry and therefore, very punitive for mistakes.

Simple solution: remove Spirit Watch from tPvP rotation
This map is too imba to be competitive (like Capricorn).

randomfightfan.4091:

mechanic is thieves are SUPPOSED to have the highest single target dps. We don’t even have the highest single target spike (which I am fine with). Sorry but your point isn’t relevant here.

DPS != Burst

Thieves have burst, warriors dps. Plus, thieves have stealth and shadowsteps.

Travlane.5948:

@ASOMAL perhaps….but thieves rarely beat good guardians now if at all…..that would just make it a lock,.

That’s why I said only blocks like Aegis or warr shield 5 (for skillful play purpose). Anything else would be stupid, honestly…

“Dodge” – “GG, 4 seconds reveal for free”

It’s been like this forever and I don’t really think they will change it (only for “blocks”, at maximum).

WyldKat.4712:

PearlGore.7419:

Take a look, we dodge to much. After this is nerfed I expect our medium armor to be removed as well.

I’m sure no one wants to see naked thief.

Mmm…

Hey, I’ve had a great idea right now! What about that: we start naked and we have to “steal” our way into getting clothes! Now, that makes soooo much sense, considering we are thieves!
Medium armor? Like I care! Be aware light armor girly users! I’m coming for ya~!

Do you not know? If you reroll ranger right now, you get a free warrior as your pet! Don’t miss that opportunity mate!

Well, it was uncalled. Anyway, can we at least put a range leash on those pets? Being chased for 2 mins straight, across all the map because their owner is clueless is not fun…

You are not bounded to GS. So it seems clearly, it’s meant to be used with another weapon set, like Rifle.

Daaamn, you really hate bladetrail, don’t ya?

Rifle warriors look stroonk!
Destruction of the Empowered+Brutal Shot(buffed)+Signet of Might(new)*Killshot =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mcx789Tv4A

Fotm elementalist everywhere :O

Aedil.1296:

I don’t care about pvp, but healing in mistform is the only thing keeping me alive during high lvl fractals (50+) also putting a 5s cd on the only viable build for the ele is just nonsense.

How does that even make any sense? Can’t you just dodge and then heal, like everyone else?

Aedil.1296:

For now Ele is dead.

See you next week.

Parktou.4263:

not all warriors will have the new trait, it does require 30 points to get it (in discipline I think) and even if they do their attacks are still easily dodgeable and even more predictable so your worrying over nothing really :/

This. It will be a Discipline gran-master trait, so not every warrior will pick it up (probably rifle warriors will show up more: 30% crit + 3% per boon + unblockable from the new signet = yummy killshot).

rarebo.1073:

Why do people even farm glory..its almost worthless…have over 100 boosters last i looked..

Do people still think glory = rank ?

Not just for that, of course. Is also fun testing some crazy totally non tPvP viable builds, plus it’s fun to test your skills in 2×1/3×1 situations.

“A lion doesn’t concern himself with the opinion of a sheep.”

That’s why.

(just kidding)
There’s really no reason to “talk”, because sPvP is a glory farm zerg fest, therefore, no strategy involved…

AlBundy.7851:

People played glass eles?

Nobody does, but they pretend they do (unless they consider the valk’s build GC, lol).

Delius.1968:

Seriously, put aside all the crying about the nerfs and all.

1) They are melee range weapons,
2) without the ability to swap to another weapon with a different range,
3) on the squishiest class in game (lowest hp and armor in the game),
4) on one of the lowest dps classes in game as well.

I thought the mobility and healing was an essential part of the play style: be always on the run, dodge constantly, try to outheal your enemy dps while eroding slowly our enemy with our subpar dps.

So if it’s not intended that D/Ds can jump in and out the fight and run around all the time to avoid damage, get a break and heal some… but we’re meant to sit there and take it “like a man”, like all the complains I hear from non-ele players… That’s exactly what you learn not to do at level 1, because even a PvE Moa can best you if you stay put.

My honest question is: how are we supposed to play this weapon setup on this class?

1) 300 range is 2.3x the range of a truly melee spec. Imagine if you’d have to get in 130 range to hit your auto attack? Yea, you’d be kitten . So, the point is: it’s not a melee spec, at all…
2) Yeah that sucks, but it’s the elementalist mechanic to use only one weapon set.
3) Nop.
4) Nop, either.

“My honest question is: how are we supposed to play this weapon setup on this class?”

Honestly, I think D/D works around dishing damage with fast skills. And it works wonderfully with the valk’s set.

“So if it’s not intended that D/Ds can jump in and out the fight and run around all the time to avoid damage, get a break and heal some…”

It’s intended to do that, problem is: is too good on what it does. Mind you, mobility is not the culprit on that matter, healing is. The fact that they can heal from 10% to 70% just rolling on water attunement(+plenty of CC’s) makes all the effort from Burst/DPS specs pointless, since they take as much damage as the elementalist, but can’t heal all their way back…

ProxyDamage.9826:

I can’t.

Mistform: “Morph into an invulnerable, vaporous mist for a brief time.”

Obsidian flesh: “Envelop yourself in stony armor, making yourself invulnerable.”

Fortify: “Use magnetism to envelop yourself in a shield, becoming invulnerable.”

Renewed Focus: “Focus, making yourself invulnerable and recharging your virtues.”

Endure Pain: “Take no damage from attacks.”

“One of these things is not like the other…”

“One of these things just doesn’t beloong…”

Warriors need more sustain, being with healing or boons. Serious, is like some popular cheese builds are not even kittening trying! You dish your whole 100b combo perfectly and the kitteners will probably survive and heal all the way back. It’s just absurd how forgiving they are. Meanwhile the warrior is easily shut down and killed, and you don’t need to be full glass cannon to that happen. Seriously, this kitten kitten es me off.

kostbabis.8791:

Asomal.6453:

Luthan.5236:

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Good joke you got there!

To eles: Don’t want your enemy to easily dodge your RLT? Then don’t initiate a fight with RLT. You know, you are not obligated too, but it seems every ele out there does that…

Lol waht??People just told me that rtl should not be used to disengange and now you tell me i shouldnt engage with it?
Are you guys idiots or what?

You should not engage with it if you want the 20 sec cd. Else it’s easily dodged (unless dodging doesn’t apply the 40 sec cd, we’ll have to wait for the patch to confirm)…

Luthan.5236:

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Good joke you got there!

To eles: Don’t want your enemy to easily dodge your RLT? Then don’t initiate a fight with RLT. You know, you are not obligated too, but it seems every ele out there does that…

TheGuy.3568:

The mobility nerf is a whole other issue. It leaves us number 5 on the list (because a mesmer traited will eventually catch up).

Only D/D mobility will be affected, anything else will stay untouched. Heck, you actually have some neat options: Signet of Air, One With the Air or the underdog Windborne Dagger…

It should become man-bear-pig, now that’s scary!

Nikkinella.8254:

Looks like the whining thieves finally got their way. I can’t wait till they finally get hit by nerf after nerf so they can see what its like. Well I was looking for a reason to quit this game and go back to Aion once the Bard class comes out. Looks like I have my reason now.

Where have you being since launch? Thief got nerfed pretty hard since then.

Nikkinella.8254:

The message is clear from Anet. Play thief or warrior, or quit. The two most OP faceroll classes are getting buffed, but the all the ones that needed serious buffs in certain areas are getting nerfs in their few actually useful abilities. Do they have a lobotamized monkey working on balancing this game?

LMAO 10/10.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARTjcO1wBPyQMRCAjiiA68AqlYSVwuUBxA-ToAA1CtIKSVkrITRyisFNKZBC

Running this one right now. Soldier amulet + 30% critical chance (50% with Opportunist, which you proc all the time with LB 5, GS 4)? Yes please!
And I loooove to combo GS3 ->swap (hydromancy)->LB3.

@edit
forgot to change the amulet jewel for valkie’s

Altough I agree with the Mes/Ranger thing, the ele build is entirely not viable and the thief perma stealth, nobody does that in pvp.

Calae.1738:

Asomal.6453:

kostbabis.8791:

Asomal.6453:

Not counting utilities (blink skill/speed signet)/ traits / runes? 0/10

blink is 900 range on a 45 sec cd so it wont change much.He doesnt count conjures that provide leaps that lower the difference a bit and the elite conjure which does make ele the most mobile kid in town while equiped.None of them are viable in pvp though.

Still, easy acess to Swiftness or “One with Air” or even the Signet of Air (which warrior lacks) and the fact that Lightning Flash can be used on upper ground, like Khylo,Foefire and Temple. There’s no way a ele would lose a race against a warrior.

A warrior can click Signet of Rage and gets 30 seconds of swiftness. You want to use lightning flash on your Elementalist? That’s OK, I’ll juts catch up to you with a Bull’s Charge.

Anything else?

Dodge
Pew! That was easy.

kostbabis.8791:

Asomal.6453:

Not counting utilities (blink skill/speed signet)/ traits / runes? 0/10

blink is 900 range on a 45 sec cd so it wont change much.He doesnt count conjures that provide leaps that lower the difference a bit and the elite conjure which does make ele the most mobile kid in town while equiped.None of them are viable in pvp though.

Still, easy acess to Swiftness or “One with Air” or even the Signet of Air (which warrior lacks) and the fact that Lightning Flash can be used on upper ground, like Khylo,Foefire and Temple. There’s no way a ele would lose a race against a warrior.

That’s all I have to say.

 (not really)

Not counting utilities (blink skill/speed signet)/ traits / runes? 0/10

Btw, RTL is apparently 1500 range

lare.9512:

F1 Use your all your Adrenaline to:

‘Javelin’
Damage 1250
Range 1200
Bleed 10 seconds
Pierce 3 targets
Combo finisher : 100% Physical Projectile

More like Cripple 5 seconds.
Animation time: 2 seconds.

And where is the awesome 2hand axe?

You can still get freebies and paids, salvaging from tournament chests, last I checked. Bad luck, maybe?

@edit
Talking about the current chests you get from winning, not sure from the ticket traded chests…

Rank 60+ for sure (if there’s a way to get them). There is/was a bug with Deer tokens giving Frozen Shortbow (but only works with shortbow).

Inb4 some nerfs with some minor useless buffs. P/P build, venoms, traps, etc, still suck.

google.3709:

this S/D thief didn’t even make it out of stealth

But that ain’t S/D :O

Lite.3819:

Although it’s against my better judgement to answer these types of question… I think Mesmer would of posed a better argument… (or one at all) Anyways, anyone who said Elementalist are immune to conditions have never played an Elementalist. I’ve fought some very high leaderboard Elementalist in very high ranking match and I can confirm that the build you are referring to is quite resistant to burst but very vulnerable to conditions.

Heh, don’t hate on me, I’m just spreading the love (and nobody is immune to conditions, unless you considere that engineer trait…).

Lite.3819:

A class almost immune to conditions have a weakness to burst damage. What exactly is the problem here…?

One of the rules of good game design is to not have a single class that can do everything and be good at everything.

Elementalists: problemo??

Coz Anet balances PvP for PVE.

Leadfoot.9071:

Shananigans.8412:

50% chance ele kills the hgh engi…. trust me on this one

What about retaliation? I don’t really know but aren’t there some guardian builds that can get a lot of uptime on retaliation which seems to me would be a pretty decent counter to HGH engis?

What about Superior Sigil of Nullification? I haven’t tested it, but I assume it would work.

Ketharius.9018:

Apolo.5942:

Chaith.8256:

silentnight warrior.2714:

The best duelist professions in the game are not melee. That says a lot.

D/D elementalist

Elementalist is not a melee class, try again.

How is D/D not melee?

Attacks have 300+ range vs 130 from truly melee specs.

Thieves are the second worst pvp class in the game, just ahead of warriors. If you think they are somehow OP, low risk/high reward, I suggest you L2P. I know it sounds harsh, but someone had to say it, I’m tired of this nonsense since September 2012.

/thread?

@edit

About WvWvW balance, gtfo. It was never meant to be balanced in the first place.

1.Elementalist (how long Anet? How loooong?!)
2.Engineer
3.Guardian
4.Mesmer
5.Ranger
6.Necromancer
7.Thief
8.Warrior

No banners? I’m disappointed :/
Incoming signet nerfs…

It is good with P/D build, when you can pull fleeing peepz into your Caltrops. Maybe, not so much nowdays, since they nerfed Caltrops :/
And it’s really fun to use on that elementalist trying to rtl away

Dardamaniac.1295:

Its just a too situational build,i dont think that is so much unstopable but again is too situational to become OP or to need nerf.

Situational? When Spirit Watch is the only map Anet allow us to play, you are begging people to abuse this cheese.

Daishi.6027:

Anyways. Thoughts and Comments?

Man up and prove them wrong oooooor…Uninstall.

But seriously, if you are playing casually, why do you care what others on the internetz think about you?

Copenhagen.7015:

Mssg.7804:

On last SOTG our great devs say big NO to legendarys in pvp…

I’m sorry I heard completely different in the SOTG. Pretty sure they said legendaries are already available for pvp, you just can’t view them in the locker.

So, the leaderboards are invisible, and the lengendaries as well…
What if the heart of the mist is a world of pure illusions and dreams? What if there’s a bigger world out there, but we just can’t see it?
A world were we can explore dungeons and slay huge monster! A huge world out there, just waiting to be explored….

Mssg.7804:

On last SOTG our great devs say big NO to legendarys in pvp…

Did they say why is that?

GW3 will be out before you hit lv 80. Having legendaries on pvp would be cool tough (and the other weapons sets aka foefire/vision of the mist/etc). This have been brought up inumerous times, but I don’t recall any official pronunciation on the matter.

Was your entire team afk?
tPvP is in need of a rank restriction. Ok, I know people would hate it: “it’s against what was stated in the manifesto: any newbie could join full pvp right away, from lv1”, but the amount of newbies that doesn’t even know how to move around the map is too high.
Either lv restriction (r15 <, maybe), or put a giant red arrow pointing to the hotjoin npc.