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It also depends what size of zerg you will command and against what enemy. In spvp you fight in 5 man teams, in WvW you can get hit by 30 ppl meele train at once if things go wrong, not to mention the constant AoE spam…
The above build seems nice, melandru+lemongrass+trait basically makes you unstoppable. Now you just have to stay unkillable = good positioning, trying to be on enemys back, not letting them be on yours – if you commanded on guardian you should know where to stand. You will also get some support from guardians in your party so it could work out somehow.
The downside is that guardians do have more blocks+group friendly shouts+things like line of warding/empowers on relatively low cooldowns… On ele it’s more selfish and longer cd’s. That 2sec stability from trait is not much, so as mentioned earlier you will need guards near you. Obsidian flesh being your only “oh kitten” button, with its 50sec cd.
I would take Armor of Earth and Blink as a must. Third utility is optional, might be mist form if you expect tough fight, or some stunbreakers – Signet of air for shorter cd, GoEP for longer cd… Funny thing would be Earth Shield – Leap with daze effect, Pull with protection for each enemy pulled, Invulnerability – 3 useful skills, sadly at the cost of 1min cd on shield if you drop it or use the stacks.
With Energy sigil you could try Arcane Brilliance as a heal+blast finisher as well as take Arcane Wave and trait for shorter cd’s on arcanes. Not sure if signet would be good enough, especially if you needed burst heal.
Elite tornado or fgs, your choice.
I don’t know how it would work out for you, different classes have different playstyles. Most commanders are meele for a reason. If you wanna try something new, go for it
Rallybot Guild [RG] – Desolation — definately deserves a mention!
If you care about dmg only and like seeing big numbers, Infiltrator rune is fun, +12% dmg modifier, some precision and stealth when your hp goes down if i remember well. Some other like strength or pack are ok too but price is high also.
Once I tried some like this – http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQFAWhMMqeW4wyBrEBWAC1Tlm+IhoAlWC-TVSBABG/AA8Z/BKV/xMlgXp8DFNE4pDYhDEAAXAASBMwyI-w – with many modifiers, squishy but funny numbers. If “planents align” you have above +120% dmg from modifiers.. Add to that some helpful guards who empower for you giving you might and fury from other classes and there you go.. Might be fun in EoTM, but in zergs where enemy uses brains I don’t recommend
As everyone or at least most of the ppl know, today starts the FIFA Mundial in Brasil. Lot of teams from different countries and lot of fun and interesting games to watch if someone likes.
I wonder if Anet has prepared anything for this occassion? I guess not rly, so we probably have to take care of ourselves
Here comes the idea of Asura Ball – some of you probably have heard/seen or even took part in this kind of event.
What you need:
- basicly you organize 2 teams of players from the same or opposite servers (might be a bit harder to play then cause of all the knockbacks affecting enemies, not only the “ball”)
- find a volunteer to be the ball (some tanky small asura hero)
- set 2 gates from some useless banners on opposite sides of your field
- unequip all gear/remove traits (so that you deal the lowest possible dmg)
- take some weapon that has knockback/push/pull or any effects like this ^^
Suggested places are OS arena (if empty or not many trolls) or the spot around mill (south part of map at borderlands). You can do matches like “first to score 5 goals” and such and then swap the teams if there is many players wanting to take part in it.
Here is an example by CoN guys some months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bc2GE8ETik
Be nice and friendly and you have fun guaranteed, cheers
Some eles tend to check the food you use before the fight starts and then quickly put traits to counter you perfectly. Ofc you could trick them by using different food pretending to be power necro. Would love to see the ele face that just disabled his diamond skin thinking you’re not condi…
Honestly, I was one of the guys laughing at necros when DS came out, but after playing a bit as condi ele myself I noticed the problem. In some time after few duels against DS ele my build got a bit adjusted so I think it won’t be a problem anymore. Luckily it’s relatively easy to stack might on ele and up both condi and power dmg.
The trait itself made me and probably many other eles have a wide smile on their faces at start, but I admit I don’t like it anymore and haven’t used it since several months. In my opinion any build should have a chance to do at least some damage against any other build in the game, but seeing this one single trait with connection to ele healing abilities allows to disable several other builds, it looks totally unfair to me. I don’t mind it in pve, but against a real human opponent I want a clear challenging fight where I have to act accordingly to situation, not just watch my health bar and keep it above the “magic 90%” which isn’t hard at all on ele – spam dagger autoattack : 250 per cast, go to water if needed : 1k regen + heal 1-2k depending on traits and gear + 1k soothing mist heal over time + 1 or 2 water healing skills depending on weapons – you can add up all day, it just proves that ele is excellent at small heals, and you are just tickling him for 300-400 dmg ^^ I see ppl trying condi ele builds since some time, but oh the irony, not so long ago there was quite much crying about how necros or engis bunker with dire gear, but what is happening now? 3k+ armor 20k hp condi ele ftw? Hypocrisy all the way… I could understand trait like “50% (or xx%) reduced condi duration while above 80% (xx%) hp” similiar to engi one, at least looks more “fair” to full condi builds and does help the ele but doesn’t shut down the enemy totally…
On necro stacking might looks a bit more complicated I guess. You could try some mixed build or whatever comes to your mind. Don’t know if this would be enough: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQRAod7Yjc0Ucb1Ne3whjCchaqhA63MAi2IzgJgq2A-TlSFABMcCAA4BA47RA4D9Ans/wAHEAKV/5PlgPp8DONDkCAm5AA-w
Change epidemic to your skill of choice (plague signet to have more condi remove/send condis back to him when DS is down?) and maybe add sigil of battle on weapons, this is just my theory build, I never played condi necro, only power-well-zergy one… The rest just comes from how experienced you are against eles, dodge the knockbacks, stop attacking when he has shocking aura and such…
Btw: does coming in/out of death shroud count as weapon swap? That would be even more reason for battle sigil.
Considering the rewards:
1st – 500 tickets
2nd – 450 tickets
3rd – 400 tickets
and the cost of the “actual” rewards:
1 Mistforged Hero’s Weapon – 300 tickets
Ascended Accessory – 200 tickets
Mini Dolyak – 200 tickets
1 Gift of Heroes – 200 tickets 250 badges
1 Hero’s Weapon – 100 tickets
WvW Ascended Infusion – 50 tickets
25 Obsidian Shards – 50 tickets
75 Dragonite Ore – 25 tickets
100 Empyreal Fragments – 25 tickets
1 Thimble of Liquid WXP – 25 tickets
the first 3 servers players get mistforget shiny weapon skin + something. No idea what gift of heroes is – maybe to make the ascended version or some backpack who knows. Ascended accessory – well most ppl have those already, maybe some new players doesn’t, so ok, let it be. Mini dolyak – hah Hero’s weapon – non shiny version. Rest can be obtained with 15min farming or whatever, just not worth looking at (from my perspective) :P
The whole 2ble teaming thing – ofc it happened, happens and will happen in future. Momentary or long term, who cares, it’s not forbidden and any server will use the advantage to gain some points/kills at the cost of any other in worst position at that moment. What you can change about it? Get organized, get on TS, get correct gear, follow your commander, join WvW guild and farm your enemies. When they see they’re loosing most of the fights they will think twice before attacking you. Scouting and sieging is part of the whole picture as well. How many times your server looses towers because noone report enemy on time? What you can do about it? Give good example and scout sometimes, teach others how to use siege and what to do when enemy approaches, if the newcomers see it – they will continue the good work, otherwise they will just become zerglings… It’s all in your server interest, and if you want the rewards – in yours as well.
Lot of crying or arguing over things that happened and will continue to happen, unless anet changes something, up to them. Keep on fighting, in game or in forums, whatever you prefer, few weeks still ahead. It’s not match up thread, yet ppl keep bringing things from their matchups, luckily devs haven’t closed it yet, they must have some patience :P Let’s see if BB makes push at Friday, or do we meet in a Sfr-Deso-Js match. Hoped for Kodash, but seems things have changed, too bad, haven’t met those guys since long, curious how they are, roaming was interesting against them usually.
Remove champ bags, from wvw/eotm, and increase a bit rewards for killing players should show the way to go – fight ppl, not champs. If you want champs why not go run in Frostgorge or whatever other map. Had my arguments already with ppl training in eotm, according to them it’s a map where they run circles to lvl up chars and so on… In a pvp type of map, ha ha ha So good that there are other groups or guilds that actually chase them and farm them, maybe then 1 from 20 of these zerglings will see what is real purpose and go that way. Not that blobbing other players is any good, but better than blobbing npc’s to get that stupid champ bag and karma. If commander doesn’t shout stuff like “wait on top of stairs, don’t go to lord room, enemy incoming” then most of the time all puggies go 11111 that champ and stand in circle unaware that their comander and zerg just got wiped, and all that awaits them is death in a few sec
When the enemy is busy with some other ppl it can be fun to go for churning earth, but most of eles just go for burning speed + lighting flash to land full dmg right in the face (if you click all good :P ). The cripple effect is annoying cause it counts as “already doing some damage” and puts the skill on full cd even if it’s cancelled. Maybe if the cripple was removed and the skill would go on full cd only when fully casted, bleh…
Other funny idea I had is: remove cripple, add stealth, bomb bomb bomb! skill description: "hide behind rocks…. " xD Nah, just kidding But stealth bombing (if you don’t get revealed) is fun definately, just imagine the enemy faces if they get critted by few eles (well 2-3 should make them downed definately if skills land). Still in the end I think you can pretty safely land 2x BS in the time of CE, with 15s vs 30s cooldown, with probably much better effects (evade, not sitting in 1 spot waiting for cast and so on). Let’s say it was fun skill long long ago when ppl were not so good with dodging it. Many still can’t, but yeah…
When switching to water with Healing ripple trait (water 15, or rather 3) it shows nice splash
Probably yes.
You can use a rune that gives you that additional condi. For now only 2 give that: perplexity and tormenting, and sigils – doom/torment. Let’s see what the patch brings to the table. Perplexity got nerfed and after ppl complaints it won’t come into spvp either. Hopefully other runes will have some good stuff.
Also you can just go with raw dmg build. I try condi only because I’m alrdy bored of old builds and wanna see if this will work
I use d/f in my condi build, works well for me.
Could you elaborate on that a little bit?
Well, dagger has good condi application and focus has good defensive abilities. I use it in WvW roaming or duels and trying in spvp sometimes (I don’t play much there – amulets, not much customized stats pla pla). I don’t think condi ele has much use in pve, I don’t play there anymore (almost), dungeons and other stuff – just go with those lightning hammer or other builds I guess – mobs are just mobs, they can’t clean condis, but condis don’t kill as fast as raw dmg… So kill fast and move on
Fire atunement – #2 drake’s breath allows you to put burns for a long duration with it’s short cooldown, use when you don’t see the enemy on fire; #3 burning speed usually makes the enemy dodge but since it’s condi build it doesn’t do that much dmg, wasted dodge is good for you though, also a fire field.
Water – #3 and #4 are 2 chills on short/long distance; #5 comet as interrupt on relatively short cd – 25s, but with telegraphed ring, so it’s possible the enemy dodges this. Depending on enemy it’s good to use it when you feel like he is gonna heal (around 50% or so) or go to stealth (thieves, mesmer elite).
Air – #2 for weakness to lower enemy dmg if he is bursty, condi filler if he is not; #3 shocking aura is good disable, if you fight thief especially (when he went invisible wait 2-3 sec and use it, good chance he will try backstab and get stunned); #4 is very good skill against all those engis/rangers, you can cast this and just use ether renewal with low chance to get interrupted; #5 is non telegraphed interrupt, use carefully cause it has long cd and it’s easy to waste it on random dodge.
Earth – #1 bleeds, bleeds, bleeds – if the enemy is already burning I try to stack some bleeds, it takes time however; #2 is 1 stack of bleed and cripple, can be used as condi filler or just to help you chasing the enemy, your choice; #3 immobilize, after using this I noticed many enemies use their condi clean “omg I can’t move, I’m gonna die” even if it’s not the case with condi cause you can’t rly burst them… ; #4 is one of the best skills here – 3 condi clean + cripple + blast finisher + reflect projectiles – you get me? One of the reasons I use trait to lower earth skills cooldowns, saved my kitten countless times and can turn tides of the fight to your favour depending on enemy (it mostly does :P ); #5 this is the 2nd reason that I traited earth skills for cooldowns, 40s from 50s, you can think it’s not big difference but it actually helps a lot “ahhh crap 2s more and I would be immune” in these situations
The other skills I didn’t mention aren’t that good. Fire wall or fire shield are just “meh” – casted because it wasn’t on cooldown type
Focus was rarely used but last times it’s getting common, at least in spvp ppl going glasscannon trying to burst while having those defensive abilities. With dagger offhand it’s more dmg but also higher risk I think. In condi builds you need the time to let the conditions eat your enemy and this is the reason I use focus – defensive skills give me that time. No point in posting build I guess cause the patch will change it probably, standard 0 0 20 20 30 traits atm, used to be 0 0 30 20 20 but EA is just too good + atunement cooldowns slightly shorter allow you to use the skill you currently need practically right away. The rest comes with how good you use it, how good you know the enemy class and guess what he is gonna do and react to that.
Broski you just need the time and practice :P I remember my first fight with condi engi on d/f – I lost so miserabely, I had no idea what the skills do what or how should I fight with this. Now engi is rarely a problem.
Maybe some signet :P 5 signet ele ftw
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I wish all classes had the initiative system. Get rid of cool downs! Don’t argue that theifs are the most squishy class in the game and that is why they dont have cool downs with that level of evasion, because we all know elementalists are the squishiest class, without even stealth.
Or go the other way around – give thief skills with reasonable cooldowns instead of initiative, kitten on Heartseeker would solve the 2222 spammers
Stealth really is a strong mechanic and the better and more creative the player is – the more over powered it looks, starting from the 2222 spammers through perplexity interrupt spammers to some pistolwhip or d/p stealth spammers… If these skills had cooldowns instead cost of initiative it would surely require more timing and thinking what to use (I’m not saying thieves doesn’t think what they’re doing… well some don’t) and if it goes wrong I’ll just stealth. Fighting invisible thief is a matter of luck if you manage to hit him and down (if he goes stealth at very low hp) – if not he just comes back at you with much health regenerated oe resets the fight. You with your cooldowns still run around circles hitting the air while he already has full initiative and prepares to take you down. Time to respawn.
I do have some experience fighting thieves and more or less know what to expect and how to react, but even that doesn’t guarantee I’ll be able to kill him. Either I get bursted/outcondtioned and kited around (lol) or he runs away unless he stays too long to die from my condis/lucky last lightning whip after he stealthed – that would end in my win.
Imagine then some fresh player who get’s jumped “WTF! there was noone around”, “oh kitten I gotta dodge” (even though he already took the dmg) and so on. Just the psychological effect is enough to turn the winning tide for the thief by a lot (unless you are prepared to fight stealth class at any time). Not seeing the enemy is one of the strongest mechanics in this game if not the strongest. Jumping in and out of fight “on a whim” does feel unbalanced (just as lack/too much mobility from this or any other class) and the complains from players are totally reasonable. How (or maybe) Will this mechanic ever get changed? Who knows, but the discussions will keep on going for sure ^^
Focus could have some traits indeed, but I have hard time to imagine what anet would give us. Maybe just add “and focus” to the dagger traits In the end hardly anyone picks these. Since focus has mostly defensive type skills some trait with regens or bonus toughness come to mind – dunno, maybe some day we see something. Some new GM traits coming soon, so in future maybe other traits get replaced/renewed, especially the ones never used (10% faster resurrecting etc)…
I’m using condi build atm and with earth traits I took 20% faster recharge, really nice to have these 2 skills back up much faster. Air #5 is very long cooldown and it often misses if enemy keeps dodging around or you fight thief/mesmer/guarian with lot of stealthing or blocking (aegis) – wasted often, but cba to go into air just to reduce cd on that. Water chill and comet have ok cooldowns/effect imo. Other than that not much useful/needed skills there.
Wait for the changes then complain
I mean they could go all out and shake up EVERY runeset that would be pretty nice.
They said they changed a bit in every rune.
Wait for the changes then complain