Guild Wars 2

Perma stealth isn’t a thing either.

Either way I did not say perma evade only evade builds.

So continue believing that #3 builds require skill

Viking Jorun.5413:

SoLeciTO.3490:

Viking Jorun.5413 i don’t know if you are one of those thieves that love to say they are experts because they do not use D/P or talking seriously.

D/P is the best set for WvW . . . yes.

But it doesn’t mean it is OP.

Anet must buff other sets to be a real option.

Man i’m really tired of this forum, always calling all good build cheesy, all good counters OP, and “a total imbalance” for every profession they can not kill.

I run stealthless S/P quite successfully in WvW, and shut down D/P thieves on a regular basis, even in dueling and outnumbered situations when I’m seen before I can get the jump on people. I never said that it was OP. I said it was fun, and quite powerful for what it’s meant for. Please don’t take offense when someone says that the set you run is easy to play compared to what they’re used to.

Thanks, mate!

The evade builds are the real OP builds of a thief.

Devs said -10% to overall damage. This damage reduction ONLY comes to crit damage not base or power…..

So basically it’s a overall -17% nerf to crit damage. So basically just take your current crit damage and multiply by 0.83 to find out your crit damage post patch.

(Math)
Attack hits for 1000 w/out crit.
Same attack hits for 1000 but crits w/ 100% crit damage
1000 × 2.5 = 2500
2500 × 0.1 = 250
250/1500 = .16666 round that up to 17% decrease in crit damage

Dee Jay.2460:

Combo Fields are just too weak in general and simply don’t last long enough.

The only relevant ones are fire-fields and water-fields because the Might stacks actually last long enough for the initial clash to take place and the healing is just nice.

Other than that though, they’re pretty meaningless. Retaliation from combo-fields barely lasts more than a few seconds and is expired before a zerg can even clash.

Another problem is that both Conditions and Boons are way too abundant. Condition-applying combo-fields are useless because everyone is already throwing around Condition left and right.

I’m sorry but you couldn’t be more wrong.

Viking Jorun.5413:

hihey.1075:

Cynz.9437:

have fun untill you face someone with brain who knows how to punish d/p

This. Please join the train of people I regularly kill in WvW because of the FotM-ness of D/P.
If you spend the needed time to actually learn it, you will do well. If you don’t, then you are not any better than any Perplexity Engi, Hambow Warrior or PU mesmer (actually PU mesmers are still the king of cheese).

I have no intentions of playing much D/P. I’d rather get good fights in with my S/P anti-meta build and counter the cheese.

Sword is the Meta for thief and it has been for quite some time now……

You fellas do realize that your crusade to “balance” thieves will completely annihilate them in all aspects of PvE??

Ryu if you can’t counter the class you play as a main I suggest you should pick an easier class to play. D/P thieves are absolutely fine as of right now. They are so easily countered in today’s game….Please post a video of you fighting D/P and I’ll break it down on what you need to D

The above post doesn’t make much sense

You say thieves are way easy to kill then go on a rant about stealth and wanting nerf it with reveal attacks

Yet offer zero ideas to buff up the free kills you just created.

Thieves are fine as is people. Leave it alone

I’m just wondering how a player who mains a Necro/Guardian is starting a nerf thief thread.

I don’t play thief but I never have problems fighting them. In fact I find them pushovers. The REALLY OP thief builds are the evasion ones and perplex condi

style.6173:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Thieves are not op as warriors

if u are a warrior and lose to a thief thats either u are really bad or thief is really well skilled player or d/p perma blind thief (I do think d/p’s perma blind is a bit op)
but other than that warriors are much more op

Hambow should beat D/P. They do not just stand in the circle.

Along with PU mesmers, Perplex Engies, kitten fire Necros, Spirit Rangers, DPS Guards, and yes even Elementalists should beat D/P thieves

MonMalthias.4763:

Paulie.6215:

That’s a reaaaaly long winded way to say you got ganked and are upset.

Against S/x Thief, the only good matchup I have is playing Scepter/X, because it’s the only set fast enough to burst out the Thief before the evade chain begins.

Stopped reading right there

I read most of it and I’m wondering what the point of this thread is besides trying to get your own bad idea across.

Thieves are fine as they are now and in truth are UP compared to the rest of the classes in this game. I play just about every class (not a thief yet) and I have YET to run into problems vs thieves in ALL aspects of the game.

sPvP, WvW, PvE, etc. no problems w/ thieves…..scratch that I have a problem w/ them in PvE in that they take up a slot that could be used for a good class.

The best part about your argument is that you are using a sPvP argument to justify your WvW argument. Sorry but that’s not going to fly w/ anyone who is semi intelligent. Everyone knows Evasion thief builds >>> stealth builds

In fact there is a significant reason Anet targeted evasion builds more so than stealth builds in the Dec patch. Don’t buy into the propaganda that these pro thieves spout because the 3 spam builds, as I like to call em, are significantly more powerful than the stealth builds.

I believe you need to play a thief for a significant time in all game modes then reevaluate your suggestion.

Evasion non stealth thieves are the OP thief tbh.

The stealth spamming BS thieves are easy to deal with

I can’t believe I just read a thread to nerf Mug/CnD

it’s to the point I might have to roll a thief to see why ppl are screaming to nerf EVERY aspect of it

Ryu you need to stop spouting the lies here.

Counter play against D/P thieves is there. In fact D/P is easily countered since the 12/10 patch.

I see you are in ZoD and that helps me understand your stance. I’ve literally watched thieves on my server destroy groups of ZoD…I’ve also seen a well put together groups of 15 wipe your entire map presence.

Please understand that at higher skill levels stealth isn’t OP in the least

I’ll help people out here

Stand in the BP to interrupt multiple HS through it.
Use pulls pushes and CC to stop the HS
Identify the 3 utility skills they bring

It’s not hard to do this. Once you realize the skills they using along with weapon sets theniit’s literally just a few attacks (regardless of their toughness) to down them

RyuDragnier.9476:

Azukas.1426:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Geiir.7603:

Thief is the counter to zerkers, so bring more toughness and vitality and watch that 7k backstab transform to a 3-4k…

What counters a zerker thief abusing D/P?

Hit him twice and laugh at the downed thief

seriously you play a thief and should know this

I play a TANK thief. I have no clue how fast a zerker thief folds, I’ve always had a 0/0/30/20/20 build on me.

He folds 0.25 secs faster than you currently do

RyuDragnier.9476:

Geiir.7603:

Thief is the counter to zerkers, so bring more toughness and vitality and watch that 7k backstab transform to a 3-4k…

What counters a zerker thief abusing D/P?

Hit him twice and laugh at the downed thief

seriously you play a thief and should know this

This another one of those skill clicking keyboard turning zerker rangers???

If Anet implemented 1/2 of the stuff I’ve read on how to fix thieves this game would lose a class.

I don’t even have a thief and this witch hunt is insulting

Budchgon.2108:

Azukas.1426:

If I watch a thief 1v3 people I kill the thief while educating the 3 who are getting schooled

We had someone like you on our server.. spouting about how easy Thieves are to fight and that only noobs lose to them.
We then had a Thief causing problems in one of our camps so we sent Mr ‘Thief killer’ to deal with the Thief… The Thief killed him and so the big mouthed moron logged off in embarrassment – not seen him log on in WvW since.

If your quoting is as bad as your playing I can understand your feelings. j/k

That being said once you learn a thief (and you don’t even need to play one) they become ez killz. Sometime you run into a good player, but can be dealt with.

Anyone know what server has claimed Valentine here??

Valentin.2073:

Azukas.1426:

Valentin.2073:

Azukas.1426:

Sanduskel.1850:

Julie Yann.5379:

Nice derailment, you can’t even tell that this thread was about how cheap the stealth mechanic can be.

Not all of us thieves defend this op permastealth mechanic. I suggest that you send frequent, specific, persistant and respectful feedback to Anet to get this broken mechanic balanced. Thieves will not get the help that they need because stealth is horrifically op’d as is.

After watching the video provided and reading of Valentines exploits one would correct in deducing that rangers are OP

noone is going to believe you. we all know the truth and i’m sure the dev’s know it too. i wish they fix your class as soon as they can. thank you, anet.

What makes you think I play a thief??

I assure you that I do not have a thief on my account

end of our discussion then. there’s no need for me to reply to you. :P

Wrong because I find thieves to be absolutely no problem to fight and think they are balanced.

If I watch a thief 1v3 people I kill the thief while educating the 3 who are getting schooled

Valentin.2073:

Azukas.1426:

Sanduskel.1850:

Julie Yann.5379:

Nice derailment, you can’t even tell that this thread was about how cheap the stealth mechanic can be.

Not all of us thieves defend this op permastealth mechanic. I suggest that you send frequent, specific, persistant and respectful feedback to Anet to get this broken mechanic balanced. Thieves will not get the help that they need because stealth is horrifically op’d as is.

After watching the video provided and reading of Valentines exploits one would correct in deducing that rangers are OP

noone is going to believe you. we all know the truth and i’m sure the dev’s know it too. i wish they fix your class as soon as they can. thank you, anet.

What makes you think I play a thief??

I assure you that I do not have a thief on my account

Sanduskel.1850:

Julie Yann.5379:

Nice derailment, you can’t even tell that this thread was about how cheap the stealth mechanic can be.

Not all of us thieves defend this op permastealth mechanic. I suggest that you send frequent, specific, persistant and respectful feedback to Anet to get this broken mechanic balanced. Thieves will not get the help that they need because stealth is horrifically op’d as is.

After watching the video provided and reading of Valentines exploits one would correct in deducing that rangers are OP

Valentin.2073:

i got my ranger to lvl 80 by buying tomes of knowledge using my glory points.

We don’t even need to rip your argument down when you keep doing it for us

Valentin.2073:

SilverWF.4789:

Valentin.2073:

wow! these thieves are really nice and humble. i’m using a laptop and a regular mouse to play this game. i dont know how to bind my skills, use a macro or what a gaming mouse looks like. since you think you are a really good player, im sure it wouldnt be hard for you to play a zerker ranger, find a bunker engi at duelling arena and fight him 1v1. tell us what happened after the fight or better yet post a video too. thank you.

So why you think you can decide what they need to nerf? You even didn’t know how to bind skills!

forgive me if i’m not a complete video game geek, man.

But you’re a Champion Hunter…

Shoulda listened to me and let this one die. It really needs to be closed since it’s ran it’s course.

Karolis.4261:

Haro.6758:

Allow rangers to perma stow pets in wvw and get a +20% dmg buff.

Fixed.

Send me gems anet, thx.

Or teach Valentin how to keybinds his stuff and use wasd+mouse instead of keyboard turning?

I watched that video in your sig and wonder just how much do Rangers REALLY need

It is easier mate much easier

So not only do you employ the above stated bad habits but you also play with game limiting hardware. You’re not helping your case here.

please stop with the witch hunt

Dunno what all the complaining is about.

I kill thieves with ease on all my classes. (Warrior, Ranger, Necro, Mesmer)

Even those dreaded D/P thieves…they the easiest TBH

Swagg.9236:

Azukas.1426:

Where’s the increased defense?

Base HP increase.
Addition of CC across the board within weapon skills.
Venom trait updates.
Devourer Venom.
Ambush.
Shadow Trap CD reduction.

I broadened the options for active defense and gave the thief substantial more passive defense with the base hp buff.

Azukas.1426:

What you are suggesting kills the class

It increases the Thief’s combat legibility while providing it with more well-defined roles and clutch functions outside of “Find target and press buttons to kill target.” The Thief is now more of a control/attrition/support class with various, substantial damage options scattered throughout each weapon set. The changes on the whole make the Thief into a better overall contributor to a fight as opposed to a guy that runs in to a fight and presses a bunch of buttons to kill something before he dies.

More HPs is not more survivability. You can build a thief to be as tank as can be and still be the most squishy player on the map. You also stiffly nerfed ALL thief damage while destroying initiative management.

I applaud you for your time and effort but your patch notes reek of ignorance and bias.

Where’s the increased defense?

What you are suggesting kills the class

Valentin.2073:

Frigid.6027:

Straegen.2938:

Frigid.6027:

I play 10 30 0 0 30 and get accused of permastealth. People in WvW just see a thief go stealth and come crying on the forums when they die.

There is truth in that a lot of players lose a few times to a thief and cry about it. However, there is also truth in the frustration players feel about getting popped from stealth then see the attacker dodge a couple times or blink away into safety.

There is no hard counter to well played D/P and most thieves know it. Putting a blind/blink, blind field, daze, stealth and a big damager on the same weapon set particularly on a weapon set that can burst skills is too much. The problem becomes compounded when 2+ thieves are in the mix since they can share each others Blinding Powder.

What people need to understand is, most thieves don’t want to play that way but are kind of forced to. We have very few other options. If they nerf d/p and give us no sort of survivability in exchange, the next topic will be OMG THIEF D/D OP. D/D Hits harder, faster and a beserker ranger not paying attention will die even faster.

To the OP, most thieves don’t even run full zerker anymore in wvw. WvW allows you to grab some vit/toughness on your gear without sacrificing much damage. You should probably give that a shot. Based on your video (longbow full zerker ranger is pretty much a free kill for any roamer who isnt a fresh 80) you are going to have a bad time. Try looking up some WvW ranger roaming videos. See the builds they run and try to adapt.

learn to adapt? i can play all ranger builds you can think of, man. pls stop using l2p as your defense in running a braindead build.

Zerker Ranger accusing someone else as brain dead build…..lol

Look let’s let this topic die already please

Valentin.2073:

Azukas.1426:

Valentin.2073:

i finally was able to download a screen recorder. yay!

this was me playing a zerker ranger fighting a asuran engi. i’d make a video too of me fighting a thief 1v1 in wvw as soon as i got the chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiYUlhsO_M

Did you just post a video of you clicking, banging your 1-5 keys, and keyboard turning in a thread you created complaining about thieves in WvW????

Thieves are fine in all aspects of the game and in truth are UP in many facets of the game.

do you even know how strong an engi is 1v1? lol. try play a zerker ranger and fight an engi and lets see how well you fare.

btw, thief is not UP. thief is the only class that can use a power build and still have high survivability and insane damage.

This thread’s and your credibility was smashed when you posted that video.

The fact you beat all thieves while not binding your skills, clicking your skills, face rolling your 1-5 buttons, keyboard turning, and overall just using very poor player habits destroys what ever point you think you are making. I can understand you’re beef with thieves after watching that video though.

Also the only point you’ve made is that maybe anet should stop listening to rangers saying they are UP.

Valentin.2073:

i finally was able to download a screen recorder. yay!

this was me playing a zerker ranger fighting a asuran engi. i’d make a video too of me fighting a thief 1v1 in wvw as soon as i got the chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiYUlhsO_M

Did you just post a video of you clicking, banging your 1-5 keys, and keyboard turning in a thread you created complaining about thieves in WvW????

Thieves are fine in all aspects of the game and in truth are UP in many facets of the game.

So a P/D thief is complain about D/P!

Clearly you’re not thinking this through….heck D/D can easily bypass the smoke field