Guild Wars 2

Seera.5916:

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Seera.5916:

Beast Sos.1457:

Seera.5916:

And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.

For sure because its not worth that. The amount of content coming with it is minimal for a expansion. They are just trying to milk this expansion as much as possible.

You don’t value it at $50. ANet may value the content (some of which we likely don’t know about) at $50.

What you value the expansion at doesn’t suddenly make that what everyone values it at including ANet.

How can you claim the amount of content justifies the price?! Thats kittenin crazy. Honestly youre just a white knight so there is no point in arguing with you.

Where in my post did I say I valued it at $50?

All I said was ANet may value it at $50.

But yes, I would be happy to buy HoT at possibly the $75 mark. I feel I could get 75 hours of enjoyment out of HoT exclusive content and what the Deluxe package offers. I’m still personally debating on whether I can afford the $100 pack or not.

I’m personally waiting to see what if anything Anet does about this whole situation just in case it’s only for people who haven’t already pre-purchased. There’s no huge item that pre-purchasing gives you. Just guaranteed beta access and a title.

Edit to add: And just because I think I will get $75 out of it, doesn’t make me a white knight.

If youre saying you would buy it for $75 then that means you think the price is justified.

neonis.3974:

Beast Sos.1457:

Claim the core game is free when you are actually charging a extra $10 for it forcing the players who have the core game to re-buy it. Not adding character slots so that hundreds of thousands of players need to buy them making Anet millions just off character slots….GG

So let’s ignore the 3 years of free content Anet added to the game. Any MMO company sell their core game at great discounts to get fresh players and that includes bundling it with Xpacs.

If you don’t think HoT is worth $50 don’t buy it and wait until it will be sold at a discount in the future.

It wasnt free content….We paid for it with gems. People seem to forget how much Anet makes off the gem shop. No MMO sells their first expansion with the core game for free.

warbignime.4610:

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warbignime.4610:

Seera.5916:

warbignime.4610:

OMG, people are still going on about this? Have you ever played wow,ff14 or any non f2p with expansion? They all do more or less the same thing, and those are p2p games. You also should not buy any new release video game in the future too cause eventually they go on sale and you spent way more than new players. Gosh.

It will likely keep going until ANet says something about it. Then there will be responses to that before it calms down. Depending on what they say will determine how quickly or how much it dies down.

This is already diving down, there are way less people complaining than a few days ago. Also here is a fact , majority of players are happy with pre purchase. I’m not talking about people on forum, I’m talking about people in game. Just go in game and ask at lion arch or any other major hubs. The majority of response I got are positive. People who are unhappy with the situation are more likely to go on forum and complain.

Then why when I asked in-game most people said they wont buy it as is?

I am taking screen shots right now for a survey, and I will make a thread for it later. Wait and see.

Even if youre right. Most people who arent going to buy the expansion dont even log on any more so that can easily explain it.

Seera.5916:

Beast Sos.1457:

Seera.5916:

And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.

For sure because its not worth that. The amount of content coming with it is minimal for a expansion. They are just trying to milk this expansion as much as possible.

You don’t value it at $50. ANet may value the content (some of which we likely don’t know about) at $50.

What you value the expansion at doesn’t suddenly make that what everyone values it at including ANet.

How can you claim the amount of content justifies the price?! Thats kittenin crazy. Honestly youre just a white knight so there is no point in arguing with you.

warbignime.4610:

Seera.5916:

warbignime.4610:

OMG, people are still going on about this? Have you ever played wow,ff14 or any non f2p with expansion? They all do more or less the same thing, and those are p2p games. You also should not buy any new release video game in the future too cause eventually they go on sale and you spent way more than new players. Gosh.

It will likely keep going until ANet says something about it. Then there will be responses to that before it calms down. Depending on what they say will determine how quickly or how much it dies down.

This is already diving down, there are way less people complaining than a few days ago. Also here is a fact , majority of players are happy with pre purchase. I’m not talking about people on forum, I’m talking about people in game. Just go in game and ask at lion arch or any other major hubs. The majority of response I got are positive. People who are unhappy with the situation are more likely to go on forum and complain.

Then why when I asked in-game most people said they wont buy it as is?

Seera.5916:

And you’re assuming that ANet doesn’t value the price of HoT at $50.

For sure because its not worth that. The amount of content coming with it is minimal for a expansion. They are just trying to milk this expansion as much as possible.

warbignime.4610:

OMG, people are still going on about this? Have you ever played wow,ff14 or any non f2p with expansion? They all do more or less the same thing, and those are p2p games. You also should not buy any new release video game in the future too cause eventually they go on sale and you spent way more than new players. Gosh.

This isnt WoW or ff14….

CureForLiving.5360:

People still banging on about this? Eh… go post in one of the merged threads you’re in no way adding anything new

If you dont like it dont comment…

Claim the core game is free when you are actually charging a extra $10 for it forcing the players who have the core game to re-buy it. Not adding character slots so that hundreds of thousands of players need to buy them making Anet millions just off character slots….GG

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Beast Sos.1457:

A few months before Gw2 was released we knew enough to justify the price. There was a ton of content they were talking about and a huge opened world. We didnt need every last detail. I will wait to see if more content will be released that justifies the price. I most likely will buy HoT either way its not like I’m broke but it still kittenes me off that they pulled such a ugly move.

No, we didn’t. We knew what they told us, but it was all vaporware so far. The pre-purchase was available in April 2012; the game didn’t come out until August.

I get that you are dissatisfied with the what they’ve told us to-date and that’s fine. But I’m not sure why you think they are intentionally trying to pull a fast one on us. ANet has always been terrible about hyping their own successes; this is just another example.

Months before this announcement everyone single person on the forums voted for a extra character slot with the expansion. They heard us thats a given but we still got squat. On top of that they put kitten price tag on a expansion that, for all we know, as not enough content to justify the price. It also seems like the price is so high not because of the expansion but because the core game is coming with it. I know I know, Anet said the core game is coming with it for “free” but thats just a good marketing ploy. They are, imo, charging us at least a extra $10 for the core game. Also, by not adding the character slot to the standard addition just shows me even more that they are trying to milk us as much as possible for this expansion.

Lets say there are 1.2 mil players playing gw2 each month, even though we know they sold more than 4 mil copies. Thats at least 500k character slots needed. Where does one get character slots? The gem shop. Lets say 250k people use irl money to buy a character slot. Thats 2.5mil just from character slots. But how do people convert gold to gems? By other people buying gems so there is another 2.5mil for Anet JUST because they didnt add a character slot to the standard addition.

data.4093:

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Beast Sos.1457:

If I want to play all the content in the expansion I’m going to have to pay $60. Why might you ask, because if I want to play all the content that is going to be released I have to buy another character slot. Don’t come on and tell me, “well you can convert gold to gems!”. All that is saying is Anet doesnt give 2 kittens about my time even though I’m spending $50 on top of the few hundred I invested in the game(gems to gold). And no I didnt need the gold I just wanted to support a company that I thought had the players best interests in mind, which, evidently, is far from the truth.

data.4093:

You thought a subsidiary of a publicly owned corporation cared about giving you free stuff? And you gave them money for things you didn’t need expecting them to reciprocate? Did you have a contract? I still find it laughable that players assumed Anet needed cash when they were making money from the cash shop…Anet never considered an expansion because you guys were giving them the revenue they needed. Gem buyers are the reason we didn’t get an expansion for 3 years.

You take kitten way to literal. I spent money because I had faith in Anet but they proved me wrong. I’m not saying they owe me anything.

Relevance in bold.

All I am saying is Anet doesnt give 2 kittens about our time even for those who put money into the game…

data.4093:

Beast Sos.1457:

If I want to play all the content in the expansion I’m going to have to pay $60. Why might you ask, because if I want to play all the content that is going to be released I have to buy another character slot. Don’t come on and tell me, “well you can convert gold to gems!”. All that is saying is Anet doesnt give 2 kittens about my time even though I’m spending $50 on top of the few hundred I invested in the game(gems to gold). And no I didnt need the gold I just wanted to support a company that I thought had the players best interests in mind, which, evidently, is far from the truth.

You thought a subsidiary of a publicly owned corporation cared about giving you free stuff? And you gave them money for things you didn’t need expecting them to reciprocate? Did you have a contract? I still find it laughable that players assumed Anet needed cash when they were making money from the cash shop…Anet never considered an expansion because you guys were giving them the revenue they needed. Gem buyers are the reason we didn’t get an expansion for 3 years.

Gw2 did come out with only 5 character slots but the amount of content that we got justified that. The amount of content we are getting, from what we have seen, is not nearly worth the price tag so we cant compare the two.

If Anet sells fewer HoT pre-purchases than expected, they’ll spend more time on development. This is the reason there’s been no release date, if they sell a million copies now, they can just give you whatever is ready and not refine/add content. Why do you think GW2 shipped with such a lack of features? It’s because they sold so many copies it wasn’t necessary to add more.
http://techland.time.com/2012/08/28/guild-wars-2-sales-one-million-pre-served-record-400000-playing-at-once/

You take kitten way to literal. I spent money because I had faith in Anet but they proved me wrong. I’m not saying they owe me anything.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Beast Sos.1457:

Gw2 did come out with only 5 character slots but the amount of content that we got justified that. The amount of content we are getting, from what we have seen, is not nearly worth the price tag so we cant compare the two.

When GW2 was available for pre-purchase, we knew roughly about as much about it as we do today about HoT. That is: we didn’t know much. We were told how many profs and races, we were told how many zones (but we had no idea how large).

So, I agree, we can’t compare the two.

So why not wait until you learn enough about HoT and then decide if you think it’s worth it or not?

Personally, I have had 100s of hours of fun over the last 3 years after spending a mere US$75 (for the mid-tier original game). I expect that for US$50, I’ll get 100s of hours of fun from HoT. (Not to mention: the Living Story Season #3 will be included in the price.)

Now, it might not be the same bargain deal that GW2 was 3 years ago. Still, that’s a far cry from saying that the $50 price tag is too much, with or without character slots.

A few months before Gw2 was released we knew enough to justify the price. There was a ton of content they were talking about and a huge opened world. We didnt need every last detail. I will wait to see if more content will be released that justifies the price. I most likely will buy HoT either way its not like I’m broke but it still kittenes me off that they pulled such a ugly move.

Lynx Raven Raide.2764:

Beast Sos.1457:

Lynx Raven Raide.2764:

OP, you complain about having to pay $10 for the slot, then dismiss the way that you can get it for free.

Your argument was?

Clearly you didnt read the post….

I did read the post, and re-read it again. You invalidated your own argument by dismissing the secondary option of the one thing you are complaining about. By rights, to technically enjoy all aspects of the original game you need 15 character slots, given the 3 choices per race for storyline in the first part. If you dismiss that, then you still need 8 to play every profession. If you are going to dismiss that one, you will in turn dismiss your own argument because saying you need a Rev to play HoT is like saying you need all 8 profs to play the base game…

Do you not value your time? I sure as hell do. First off the core game, like I said many times before, the core game has way more content than HoT can dream of having. Missing out on those few things is nothing compared to missing out on the Rev in HoT. If Anet expects me to pay $50 for the expansion and then spend hours grinding gold to buy a character slot, that should have came with my purchase, only shows Anet can give 2 kittens about the players time.

quaniesan.8497:

Making a new class while purposely not adding new extra slot on kitten exp is quite a d—k move. It’s yelling: buy my gems. It’s amazing there’s alot of company’s pets out there fervently defending Anet’s move for no good reason (i.e. “how dare you demand from ANET a character slot for me/us” .

They tried to be sneaky about it too but its so kitten obvious. Also, saying we get the core game for free is just a marketing ploy. They are charging us at least $10 to re-buy the core game…It cant get any worse.

Coulter.2315:

Beast Sos.1457:

on top of the few hundred I invested in the game(gems to gold). And no I didnt need the gold

This is why you’re having trouble, you’ve basicly chosen to buy the game for £250 and built up a belief that you’re an investor. You need to try not to spend money on things you don’t want, otherwise you’ll get a bad feeling later (your brain will see it as a waste, then that you’ve been betrayed, but really you just shouldn’t have thrown your money away on gold you didn’t need).

People take kitten way to literal…I’m obviously not a investor. Lmao. The point was I had faith in Anet that they wouldnt pull a sneaky move like this but I was wrong. They will make at least a couple million by not adding the extra character slot.

Lynx Raven Raide.2764:

OP, you complain about having to pay $10 for the slot, then dismiss the way that you can get it for free.

Your argument was?

Clearly you didnt read the post….

Bovan.9481:

Or maybe they settled on a 50 euro pricetag a long time ago, decided they wanted a special edition with extra goods, and then figured another character slot would be a cool addition.

We will never know. More importantly, so what? You don’t need a character slot to play the expansion. And you got 5 with the base game anyway. Go nuts.

I use to blame myself every time Anet would fart too!

Teon.5168:

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Teon.5168:

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Teon.5168:

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Teon.5168:

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Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

Please don’t pull some sort of “I am sorely offended” card when someone calls you on stating your opinion and trying to present it as concrete fact.

The phrase “real content” is purely subjective, and the meaning of that phrase varies depending on who you talk to. There is nothing wrong with your opinion……just don’t try to overstate it like it is some sort of well known “fact”, when it is far from that.

Jmo, of course.

When did I state that my claims are concrete facts? Do I really have to say imo on a subject like this. When people talk about content in games there “statements” are always subjective and if you felt that I was stating that my opinion was concrete then thats your fault for reading what you wanted to read and not what I wrote.

Your statement "Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way " pretty much confirmed what I was already thinking.

I am not sure how else I could have interpreted that…….but my apologies if that is not what you meant.

Then you saying you and the people you know who think there was a lot of real content added was also you stating a “concrete” fact.

Actually, if you’ll go back and reread my post……I did not say the above…..I said….

“And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

And I will leave it at that…..we’re both obviously misinterpreting each other to some extent.

Misinterpretations can lead to the dumbest arguments. It would be best to leave it at that. haha

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

Please don’t pull some sort of “I am sorely offended” card when someone calls you on stating your opinion and trying to present it as concrete fact.

The phrase “real content” is purely subjective, and the meaning of that phrase varies depending on who you talk to. There is nothing wrong with your opinion……just don’t try to overstate it like it is some sort of well known “fact”, when it is far from that.

Jmo, of course.

When did I state that my claims are concrete facts? Do I really have to say imo on a subject like this. When people talk about content in games there “statements” are always subjective and if you felt that I was stating that my opinion was concrete then thats your fault for reading what you wanted to read and not what I wrote.

Your statement "Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way " pretty much confirmed what I was already thinking.

I am not sure how else I could have interpreted that…….but my apologies if that is not what you meant.

Then you saying you and the people you know who think there was a lot of real content added was also you stating a “concrete” fact.

When you said “only your opinion” you made it sound like no one else felt that way. That is why I said what I said.

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Maybe maybe not.

Thanks for at least admitting that.

I can’t begin to tell you how many preorders of expansions I have bought for mmos that presented themselves as one thing and ended up being entirely different than what I expected. Expansions are always a crap shoot, imo.

Especially if you preorder one. After they’re released…..not so much.

The thing with this is that I feel like the amount of content that should be there to justify the price tag is just not. If there was more content I would have pre-ordered by now. I love gw2 but I just cant blindly throw my money at Anet, especially when I feel like they are pulling a sneaky cash grab move by not adding a character slot with the standard addition, but thats a discussion for another time.

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

And that is just their opinion, too. Just like the friends that I know who think there has been plenty of new ‘real content’ is just their and my opinion as well.

Please don’t pull some sort of “I am sorely offended” card when someone calls you on stating your opinion and trying to present it as concrete fact.

The phrase “real content” is purely subjective, and the meaning of that phrase varies depending on who you talk to. There is nothing wrong with your opinion……just don’t try to overstate it like it is some sort of well known “fact”, when it is far from that.

Jmo, of course.

When did I state that my claims are concrete facts? Do I really have to say imo on a subject like this. When people talk about content in games there “statements” are always subjective and if you felt that I was stating that my opinion was concrete then thats your fault for reading what you wanted to read and not what I wrote.

Teon.5168:

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Teon.5168:

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Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

The core game came with more than enough content for the $60 price tag, depending which copy you bought, for me to not complain about not being able to play 3 out of the 8 classes without buying character slots.

Even if the quantity of content were to justify you complaining about the price, you should at least wait until everything has been announced first.

It’s kind of insulting to be shown kitten price tag on something that for all we know is incomplete. We still havent heard nearly enough to justify the $50 price tag. Dont get me wrong though, if the expansion comes with a lot more content than what we currently see then I most likely will buy it.

$50 price tag. Idk why it replaced that with kitten. O.o

Preorders are always being offered for incomplete games, that’s the point. If you wanna complain, complain about preorders, not the price of the expansion. You’ll be well justified, because preorders are bad in general.

When you pre-order a expansion you know what is coming with it. It’s not a gamble like it is right now. When I said incomplete I meant a lack of content. I should have worded that better, my mistake. Usually you if you pre-order its incomplete when it comes to bug fixes and such not a huge chunk of content missing.

Please quit making stuff up. Most every older mmo I have ever played over the past 15+ years offered preorders on expansions where very few people knew what exactly was in them. Heck, even the beta testers had to agree to non-disclosure agreements until open beta or actual release.

You haven’t played mmos, or computer games for very long if you truly don’t think that preorders are always a gamble. Heck, even expansion or addons to fps games are a gamble, as noone knows everything that might be in them until they release.

Good grief, some of the deliberate and unintentional misinformation that is thrown around in these kinds of threads is just mind boggling.

Obviously youre not going to know every last detail but there isnt such a huge chuck of info missing….I usually know what to expect when I pre-order a game. We only seen 3 things coming into HoT, elite specs, guild halls, and verdant brink. That is not at all worth them announcing pre-purchase, ESPECIALLY at these prices.

Like I said, if you truly believe that, then you haven’t been playing computer games for very long.

Maybe maybe not. At the end of the day that doesnt change the fact that, for all we know, this expansion is a dairy farmer’s dream.

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

That is only your opinion. I think there has been plenty of “real” content released since I bought GW2 34 months ago. And I know lots of others who also feel that way.

Only my opinion? I know more than enough people who feel the same way. LS season 1 was a mess, expect the end which I admit was fun,season 2 has some nice boss mechanics but not much content and some QL updates, some for the better and some not so much….almost forgot to mention SW and DT which were fun maps SW more so, but we are talking about 3 years here so that is quite lackluster.

Teon.5168:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

The core game came with more than enough content for the $60 price tag, depending which copy you bought, for me to not complain about not being able to play 3 out of the 8 classes without buying character slots.

Even if the quantity of content were to justify you complaining about the price, you should at least wait until everything has been announced first.

It’s kind of insulting to be shown kitten price tag on something that for all we know is incomplete. We still havent heard nearly enough to justify the $50 price tag. Dont get me wrong though, if the expansion comes with a lot more content than what we currently see then I most likely will buy it.

$50 price tag. Idk why it replaced that with kitten. O.o

Preorders are always being offered for incomplete games, that’s the point. If you wanna complain, complain about preorders, not the price of the expansion. You’ll be well justified, because preorders are bad in general.

When you pre-order a expansion you know what is coming with it. It’s not a gamble like it is right now. When I said incomplete I meant a lack of content. I should have worded that better, my mistake. Usually you if you pre-order its incomplete when it comes to bug fixes and such not a huge chunk of content missing.

Please quit making stuff up. Most every older mmo I have ever played over the past 15+ years offered preorders on expansions where very few people knew what exactly was in them. Heck, even the beta testers had to agree to non-disclosure agreements until open beta or actual release.

You haven’t played mmos, or computer games for very long if you truly don’t think that preorders are always a gamble. Heck, even expansion or addons to fps games are a gamble, as noone knows everything that might be in them until they release.

Good grief, some of the deliberate and unintentional misinformation that is thrown around in these kinds of threads is just mind boggling.

Obviously youre not going to know every last detail but there isnt such a huge chuck of info missing….I usually know what to expect when I pre-order a game. We only seen 3 things coming into HoT, elite specs, guild halls, and verdant brink. That is not at all worth them announcing pre-purchase, ESPECIALLY at these prices.

Entenkommando.5208:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

But how many millions are they losing on players who won’t buy the expansion at all now? How many millions are they losing on gems sales from gem spenders who object to anet milking us for what in the past would have been included?

I can’t know what they are thinking since they didn’t say anything yet. But you should ask the question how many people will buy it in the end anyway.

People said wow is gonna kill gw2, Arche age is gonna kill it, eso is gonna kill it.
But in the end… Do you know any better mmo than gw2?
I don’t know what their strategy is (also think about the fact that the publisher NC soft takes care of money, not anet) but they have one of the very best mmo’s right now so they may just rely on the fact that people will buy it anyway since there is no better option.

Thats a risky bet right there. Gw2 is a great MMO but any great MMO can kill itself. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

Skeletor.9360:

Come now 60 dollars is well worth it. After all people were screaming for new content and not bug fixes etc. You have to pay for what you ask for right? The exapnsion is super good if you WvW and PvP.

It’s been 3 years….OF COURSE people are going to be asking for more content. Just because Anet took ages to release new REAL content doesnt mean we should be charged more. WvW and PvP updates are actually going in without the expansion so you dont need it for those.

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Conncept.7638:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Conncept.7638:

Axelwarrior.9084:

ANet never guaranteed to you at any point from whenever you bought the game to now that you’d be able to have characters for all classes at once.
Why would you make that assumption, then?

They’ve also never stated they are going to give content in the expansion equal to its price tag of the game as compared to the base game. But that logically falls well within the area of reasonable expectation for any consumer looking to purchase the game, hence the E-War raging across the internet about the price tag.

There are certain things that don’t have to be advertised with any product, things like functioning as intended, undamaged, and containing all necessary parts and accessories for use. Having a character slot, for the new character class the expansion is going to give you, is not an unreasonable assumption, and falls in the same area.

So, if I were to assume upon purchasing the core game that I’d have all character slots necessary for all the professions, I would be right complaining to the forums about that not happening?
Or maybe that’s not enough. Maybe I would have assumed that I’d have 40 character slots, because it’s normal to me that I’d have 8 professions of each race. Or maybe even 80 slots, because I also want both genders for each combination.

I say ‘reasonable expectations’, you immediately start making statements you yourself know to be not only unreasonable but completely outlandish, and yet you expect that to be an argument in your favor? Leave your outlandish emotionally charged drama to your afternoon soaps where it belongs.

We both have the same definition of reasonable expectations, you just showed that yourself by specifically outlining what you believe is not reasonable, I’m just being logical about it and you, well, aren’t.

I’m only showing you that “reasonable expectations” is subjective.
If you say that the product should be “containing all necessary parts and accessories for use” and translating that to mean “WELP, THAT MEANS I GET ALL THE CHARACTER SLOTS I NEED FOR FREE.”, why not expect it for the core game? Why not interpret the “all character slots I need” part as “One for each profession, gender and race”?
Is it getting more and more outlandish and ridiculous? But where did it start?

Like I said above, its not expected from the core game because the core game came with so much content.

You don’t know how much content the expansion has. I also don’t see how the amount of content has anything to do with Conncept’s argument.

I’m not trying to support Conncept’s argument I just seen that you said why not complain about not getting all character slots for the core game and I gave you the reason. We dont know how much content is coming out with HoT thats why I said if it does have a lot more content than we seen then I most likely will buy it. But as it stands a extra character slot is the least we can get.

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

But how many millions are they losing on players who won’t buy the expansion at all now? How many millions are they losing on gems sales from gem spenders who object to anet milking us for what in the past would have been included?

Agreed

/15CharrWarriors

Axelwarrior.9084:

Conncept.7638:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Conncept.7638:

Axelwarrior.9084:

ANet never guaranteed to you at any point from whenever you bought the game to now that you’d be able to have characters for all classes at once.
Why would you make that assumption, then?

They’ve also never stated they are going to give content in the expansion equal to its price tag of the game as compared to the base game. But that logically falls well within the area of reasonable expectation for any consumer looking to purchase the game, hence the E-War raging across the internet about the price tag.

There are certain things that don’t have to be advertised with any product, things like functioning as intended, undamaged, and containing all necessary parts and accessories for use. Having a character slot, for the new character class the expansion is going to give you, is not an unreasonable assumption, and falls in the same area.

So, if I were to assume upon purchasing the core game that I’d have all character slots necessary for all the professions, I would be right complaining to the forums about that not happening?
Or maybe that’s not enough. Maybe I would have assumed that I’d have 40 character slots, because it’s normal to me that I’d have 8 professions of each race. Or maybe even 80 slots, because I also want both genders for each combination.

I say ‘reasonable expectations’, you immediately start making statements you yourself know to be not only unreasonable but completely outlandish, and yet you expect that to be an argument in your favor? Leave your outlandish emotionally charged drama to your afternoon soaps where it belongs.

We both have the same definition of reasonable expectations, you just showed that yourself by specifically outlining what you believe is not reasonable, I’m just being logical about it and you, well, aren’t.

I’m only showing you that “reasonable expectations” is subjective.
If you say that the product should be “containing all necessary parts and accessories for use” and translating that to mean “WELP, THAT MEANS I GET ALL THE CHARACTER SLOTS I NEED FOR FREE.”, why not expect it for the core game? Why not interpret the “all character slots I need” part as “One for each profession, gender and race”?
Is it getting more and more outlandish and ridiculous? But where did it start?

Like I said above, its not expected from the core game because the core game came with so much content.

So Anet can milk us like cows. Its quite obvious. The only way to get character slots is the gem shop and if every current player were to buy the expansion, roughly 1.2mil players lets say, and only 500k buy character slots than that 5 mil Anet is making on top of the expansion. Now lets say half of those 500k players actually use rl money thats 2.5 mil but where do the gems that the people get using gold come from? The people supplying the gems with rl money. So at the end of the say Anet is going to make millions off character slots alone…

Axelwarrior.9084:

Conncept.7638:

Axelwarrior.9084:

ANet never guaranteed to you at any point from whenever you bought the game to now that you’d be able to have characters for all classes at once.
Why would you make that assumption, then?

They’ve also never stated they are going to give content in the expansion equal to its price tag of the game as compared to the base game. But that logically falls well within the area of reasonable expectation for any consumer looking to purchase the game, hence the E-War raging across the internet about the price tag.

There are certain things that don’t have to be advertised with any product, things like functioning as intended, undamaged, and containing all necessary parts and accessories for use. Having a character slot, for the new character class the expansion is going to give you, is not an unreasonable assumption, and falls in the same area.

So, if I were to assume upon purchasing the core game that I’d have all character slots necessary for all the professions, I would be right complaining to the forums about that not happening?
Or maybe that’s not enough. Maybe I would have assumed that I’d have 40 character slots, because it’s normal to me that I’d have 8 professions of each race. Or maybe even 80 slots, because I also want both genders for each combination.

The core game came with WAYYYYYYYYYYY more content and was $60. Why would I complain about not having 8 character slots?

asterix.9614:

Okay I am a “veteran” gw2 player playing since beta, I admit I will buy heart of thorns expansion looks too cool to miss out on, but please anet don’t give us more ugly trenchcoats for medium armor…. Please…… All my medium armor wearing characters are having to make do with outfits (I am a big collector).

Also $50/ £34.99+$10.00/ £8.50 (character slot) is cheap for an expansion and a slot, give anet a freaking break will you veteran players They need to earn money somehow, it’s not as if they are adding a hefty monthly subscription fee on top…..

Just no lazy trenchcoats please…………

Why would we give them a break if they havent showed us enough content to justify the price tag? Have you heard of the gem store? Dont underestimate the amount people spend on it.

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

The core game came with more than enough content for the $60 price tag, depending which copy you bought, for me to not complain about not being able to play 3 out of the 8 classes without buying character slots.

Even if the quantity of content were to justify you complaining about the price, you should at least wait until everything has been announced first.

It’s kind of insulting to be shown kitten price tag on something that for all we know is incomplete. We still havent heard nearly enough to justify the $50 price tag. Dont get me wrong though, if the expansion comes with a lot more content than what we currently see then I most likely will buy it.

$50 price tag. Idk why it replaced that with kitten. O.o

Preorders are always being offered for incomplete games, that’s the point. If you wanna complain, complain about preorders, not the price of the expansion. You’ll be well justified, because preorders are bad in general.

When you pre-order a expansion you know what is coming with it. It’s not a gamble like it is right now. When I said incomplete I meant a lack of content. I should have worded that better, my mistake. Usually you if you pre-order its incomplete when it comes to bug fixes and such not a huge chunk of content missing.

Axelwarrior.9084:

Beast Sos.1457:

The core game came with more than enough content for the $60 price tag, depending which copy you bought, for me to not complain about not being able to play 3 out of the 8 classes without buying character slots.

Even if the quantity of content were to justify you complaining about the price, you should at least wait until everything has been announced first.

It’s kind of insulting to be shown kitten price tag on something that for all we know is incomplete. We still havent heard nearly enough to justify the $50 price tag. Dont get me wrong though, if the expansion comes with a lot more content than what we currently see then I most likely will buy it.

$50 price tag. Idk why it replaced that with kitten. O.o

The core game came with more than enough content for the $60 price tag, depending which copy you bought, for me to not complain about not being able to play 3 out of the 8 classes without buying character slots.

If I want to play all the content in the expansion I’m going to have to pay $60. Why might you ask, because if I want to play all the content that is going to be released I have to buy another character slot. Don’t come on and tell me, “well you can convert gold to gems!”. All that is saying is Anet doesnt give 2 kittens about my time even though I’m spending $50 on top of the few hundred I invested in the game(gems to gold). And no I didnt need the gold I just wanted to support a company that I thought had the players best interests in mind, which, evidently, is far from the truth.

Gw2 did come out with only 5 character slots but the amount of content that we got justified that. The amount of content we are getting, from what we have seen, is not nearly worth the price tag so we cant compare the two.

One Prarie Outpost.4860:

Long term players spent $60 on the game, minimum of $50 for gems and now a minimum of $50 for expansion.
New players spend a minimum of $50 for everything.

Explain to me how that looks…

Long term players got their money worth with the $60 price tag. There is a ton of content in the core game. If you spent money on gems then that was your choice and you got something you enjoyed from it, I would assume or why would you buy them?!

Yeah $50 is a big rip off for the content we are getting but if they added enough content to make that $50 worth it then why not give the core game to new players for free? I dont see anything wrong with it because I lose nothing.

The shock and anger that the community is feeling towards the price isnt because new players are getting the core game “free” its that the price of the expansions, ESPECIALLY based on the content weve seen, is not worth nearly the $50 price tag.

Yeah they messed up big time. Unless I seen a ton more content I wont be purchasing HoT. This comes from someone who loves the game but I dont support greed.

Senninha.4105:

44 euro’s for this expansion with this amount of content is a TOTAL RIP-OFF!!!! I am a big fan of GW2 and i always praised Anet for their business model within GW2 but Anet totally lost their MINDS to ask this kind of money for this expansion…

Yeah I really dont understand what they were thinking…other than hustling the players who already own the game.

All hail the White Knight!

Seriously though, how can you be tricked so easily. What Anet is doing is charging the players who already have the game at least $10 extra to re-purchase something we already have….How can you even consider charging $50 when we havent seen kitten all content. One profession and nine elite specializations, Guild Halls (which should have been in the game from the start) and 3 maps where you have to spam events to lvl your masteries….

Waar Kijk Je Naar.8713:

Purple Miku.7032:

emikochan.8504:

Well they won’t be dashing away as quickly as before, so it’s not a complete loss.

Yeah except warriors will be able to roleplay as Usain Bolt in PvP with chill and cripple on them, because it makes so much sense for somebody limping around in agony to be able to leap and dash the same distance as he would in a healthy state.

#VideoGameLogic

It also makes so much sense to recover from your ankle being cut through in a matter of seconds… or to continue walking after someone smashed you with a huge hammer…

+1 lol.

/15CharrWarriors

Meh….

/15charrs

One day isnt enough. All one day does is it gives people reasons to hate the map without even understanding it. Give us at least a week to test it to get a bit use to it and then take our feedback.

Xillllix.3485:

Yeah, Stronghold has potential if they make it a little more about pvp. All that’s missing is like 15 more stronghold maps so that there is some variety in there…

Tbh, to me it felt like there was a lot of pvp going on. When I played games with clueless people then there would be no pvp…well there would be but it would be me defend against 5 people. When I played with a premade vs premade there was a lot of kitten going on and a kitten ton of pvp.

They really do need to make like 5 more of these maps for variety.

Exciton.8942:

I don’t understand this game mode very well yet. But it seems a large number of games I played so far are blowouts with minimum PvP action. Not sure what went wrong.

The thing is so many people dont understand the map atm so you will barley see any pvp right now. When I played my first game with a premade we vsed 3 Anet devs and their team. The whole time there was pvp action going on. In the defending and attacking lane. It really is a L2P issue right now.

Sunshine.5014:

Stronghold is already better than Conquest. It just needs a few tweak here and there:

• taking damage stop channeling
• after 15 minutes, both Lords lose impatience and go to mid to attack each other, with all their guards.
• no more timer.

I kittenin love that 2nd idea. That would be so fun haha.

My buddy bought Gw2 this weekend for the pvp. He has played 10 or so matches of unranked pvp and it seemed like he was having a decent time. Once we played stronghold though, he was having a blast. He loved it. He told me it was 10x more fun than conquest. When I told him it was only for the day he was so upset ranting on how this map is so much better than the conquest maps, and I’d have to agree with that statement.

Stronghold is the most fun pvp game mode I played in any MMO (excluding gw1) in a long time. Please release it before the expansion Anet <3 It really does seem ready to go and the game will get many new players even before the expansion releases.

lordkrall.7241:

Can people name a single thing in any MMO that is more than a week month old that is challenging?

Wildstar. Of course once you are geared in the best gear the content isnt as hard but you can still wipe if you dont do the encounters properly and have fast reactions. For example they have a medal system for their dungeons. At the start of the game most groups couldnt even complete the bronze reward. Now most groups finish it on silver which is finishing it in a set time limit. There is also a gold reward that even today most people cant do, raid gear or not.