Guild Wars 2

kdaddy.5431:

wait are you saying this is not what WvW should lool like?

Holy kitten lol

Teleport the druid to the body instead.

Tick tock.

Thief main here. If you play thief in ranked, get on the other team. I know exactly what odds this class is against with the current meta. While its not as bad as last season (NOTHING could be that bad), it is still foolish, selfish, and arrogant to roll thief in ranked unless you are in a premade that is OK with it.

It is NOT a class to solo with as pugs will often not know how to play with a thief and dealing with aspects such as dealing with an outnumbered team fight while you decap.

Mained condi rev last season.

IMO Resistance is just stripped too easy now. I would rather rely on Glint heal + more power damage against a necro than conditions (which will be transferred back) and resistance.

Seriously, if even for just a week event. Watch the flood of people as this game mode becomes playable again. Yesterday, I tried to do guild missions on a desert BL, and it is hilarious how long it can take to go from Point A to Point B because of all the STUPID and CONFUSING vertical paths designed. Each BL is literally bigger than EBG in terms of walkable space.

I’m amazed that this idiotic design even made it to production, even more that we’re still forced to “play” EotM part 2 as our BLs. “Play” as in “players completely ignore the BLs, and as a result EBG has been a crowded hot mess for months.”

Edit: And this is a solution that would cost NOTHING. You literally have the asset of Alpine Borderlands parked for no reason other than force feeding Desert BL to us. Did an executive’s spouse design that kitten Desert BL or something? Is that why you won’t even give us the FREE fix of the old BLs back? Because it has been long enough that its safe to say: Players and player adoption is not the problem. kittenty map design and lack of communication is.

/rant

Returning to Guardian, haven’t seriously played around with it since Meditation Hammer meta. Which do you prefer for a DH build in PvP/WvW and why?

Richard Marcinko.5132:

You’re all missing my point. I will be the first to admit that it was a good move and I plain missed it. I’m not running a full zerker build, I have 2450 armor which isn’t max but it isn’t paper either. My point is once a week a thief will come in and moan about how op necros are. When you’re hitting for 14k with a single hit you have nothing to complain about.

If you want to use this edge case to represent the state of thief fine. Then let’s consider ENTIRE EotM zergs being wiped by a single wall of fear. You see how idiotic this is?

1. Backstab has not been changed in a long time, calling for a nerf to it now in the ‘meh’ state thief has been for like 8 months makes everyone question your skill and setup.

2. This is only possible in a situation where the thief is full glass and sacrificed all defenses to burst down someone else full glass. Solution: add some toughness, silly.

3. Repeating what others have said, but WvW is an imbalanced place. I get hit with 15k AoE Gunflames from 1200 with quickness all the time. This game is balanced on the PvP mode, and anything ridiculous that happens in WvW is swept under the rug.

MadVisions.4529:

DeceiverX.8361:

S/D does fine damage. It’s just got weird casting time issues on its damage and a crappy 4’th slot ability.

lamo. s/d can’t even apply meaningful pressure w/o using major cooldowns XD

dancing dagger is just fine imo. could use some dmg buff un first hit but meh.

Agree. When steal is down, S/D is hard to burst with vs a good player because of the predictable nature of FS LS compared to D/P which can burst easier without any cooldowns and only initiative.

Sandrox.9524:

It just seems to me you dont really have dmg on him as s/d like on d/p and I know d/p does more dmg but the gap in dmg is not like when I play for example.

It’s a Scrapper. My backstab normally hits 8 to 9k on thieves. On him without protection we see 5k in the video. My 2k crits on sword are easily 4k on thieves. I hit 5-6k larc strikes on thieves typically. I don’t think there gap in damage shown in the video is atypical for any thief at all. I wasn’t even hitting that hard on dagger, highest auto I saw was 2.4k.

Other sources of extra damage on D/P is more consistent burst with backstab vs LS, and bound instead of dash. To be fair, I mostly run that S/D build in groups for giggles and its uncatchable. I probably would have switched to bound if I knew how the fight would go.

LONG VIDEO

8 min S/D tickle fight vs 1 min D/P faceroll on a bad scrapper.

Cynz.9437:

- So we had threads crying for thief nerfs for 3 years.
- Thieves got gradually reduced to junk tier (mostly because not a single dev has any experience with the class besides Ruby spamming random spells on passive golems in HotM).
- So we had threads upon threads asking to remove thieves from ranked/delete the class because it supposedly caused loses during season 1 not to mention that everyone and their mother was consistently harassing thieves in matches calling them names, telling them to reroll, uninstall, kill themself while customer support did absolutely nothing about such player griefing.
- Thieves got slight buff after season 1 (which still don’t put them anywhere close to certain elites/classes…cough scrappers… cough druid….). Thief is still only class that has to run from most 1v1.
- Now we have people like OP crying for thief nerfs.

There is just not enough facepalms for this.

“I sat in melee auto attacks and died, everything is wrong, I played perfectly.”

1. Thieves cant truly one shot anything. You’re looking for a shatter Mesmer or Gunflame warrior.

2. Maybe they’re everywhere because thief was essentially banned last season. I guess that thought process is too complicated.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

fumcheg.1936:

The all antire thread is about your personal skill lvl

No, it’s becoming about people like you that can’t see past the fact that I happen to sometimes play a ranger. Intellectually, you lack so much vision that I doubt you can properly understand anything past the end of your nose.

You’ve not addressed the argument or provided any reasoning in the context of thief autoattack damage buffs.

Yeah yeah we’re all bad, we’re all wrong, you’re right, you’re good.

Many of us have addressed the reasoning of autoattack buff. You just hate that thieves aren’t fodder anymore.

I play Mesmer, Scrapper and revenant. Thief is still easily the weakest out of all 4 in nearly every situation from my 3k+ hours of playing, at least 2k which are on thief.

Don’t sit in melee auto. L2P.

I made no personal claims about my own skill level save to defend myself from baseless accusations. You and those that are responding like you are the ones who brought personal skill into any of this.

You in particular have provided a grand total of one argument: no matter how powerful thief autoattack gets, just never get hit by it and you’re fine! You can just walk away by strafing and there’s no possible way the thief could ever have a chance of hitting you!

Thief could be dealing 99k damage per swing with autoattack and you could make the same argument if that were true. People would be justifiably upset that they died instantly when a thief so much as looked their direction, but you’d still be here saying that you can “walk away” if you stuck to your guns.

The reasoning of your argument is ludicrous, whether you are successful or not in PvP.

And you’re whining about a 1k average increase to AA chain. My argument with walking away is that AA is SUSTAINED damage. Not BURST. You have plenty of time to react before significant damage.

If you let a thief stick on you and SUSTAIN melee damage on you because you didn’t react, that’s on you. Remember, you’re whining about 1k every 3 seconds in melee range, 3 seconds in which a thief can’t do anything defensive.

An increase to autoattack is an increase to thief burst as well as sustain. The difference between it taking two hits or three from the AA after backstab to down someone is win or lose. There’s an enormous difference between “low hp with heal skill available” and “downed”. The autoattack buff pushed thief damage over that threshold in many situations.

Whether or not a thief can do something defensive during autoattack is irrelevant when the next autoattack that lands will end the fight. A good thief will cover the auto with a blind anyway.

4k AA chain over 3 seconds is burst now wtf?

Idk why you don’t understand that thief cannot rely solely on stealth attacks and initiative consuming skills for damage anymore. We have a global CD that affects our weapon sets equally no matter if we swap. Prepatch every class would laugh in my face as I would hit 1k AAs that crit. If that extra 1k every 3 seconds in melee is downing you that many times, idk what to say.

Source: thief main that has almost zero problems with thieves on core Mesmer.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

fumcheg.1936:

The all antire thread is about your personal skill lvl

No, it’s becoming about people like you that can’t see past the fact that I happen to sometimes play a ranger. Intellectually, you lack so much vision that I doubt you can properly understand anything past the end of your nose.

You’ve not addressed the argument or provided any reasoning in the context of thief autoattack damage buffs.

Yeah yeah we’re all bad, we’re all wrong, you’re right, you’re good.

Many of us have addressed the reasoning of autoattack buff. You just hate that thieves aren’t fodder anymore.

I play Mesmer, Scrapper and revenant. Thief is still easily the weakest out of all 4 in nearly every situation from my 3k+ hours of playing, at least 2k which are on thief.

Don’t sit in melee auto. L2P.

I made no personal claims about my own skill level save to defend myself from baseless accusations. You and those that are responding like you are the ones who brought personal skill into any of this.

You in particular have provided a grand total of one argument: no matter how powerful thief autoattack gets, just never get hit by it and you’re fine! You can just walk away by strafing and there’s no possible way the thief could ever have a chance of hitting you!

Thief could be dealing 99k damage per swing with autoattack and you could make the same argument if that were true. People would be justifiably upset that they died instantly when a thief so much as looked their direction, but you’d still be here saying that you can “walk away” if you stuck to your guns.

The reasoning of your argument is ludicrous, whether you are successful or not in PvP.

And you’re whining about a 1k average increase to AA chain. My argument with walking away is that AA is SUSTAINED damage. Not BURST. You have plenty of time to react before significant damage.

If you let a thief stick on you and SUSTAIN melee damage on you because you didn’t react, that’s on you. Remember, you’re whining about 1k every 3 seconds in melee range, 3 seconds in which a thief can’t do anything defensive.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

fumcheg.1936:

The all antire thread is about your personal skill lvl

No, it’s becoming about people like you that can’t see past the fact that I happen to sometimes play a ranger. Intellectually, you lack so much vision that I doubt you can properly understand anything past the end of your nose.

You’ve not addressed the argument or provided any reasoning in the context of thief autoattack damage buffs.

Yeah yeah we’re all bad, we’re all wrong, you’re right, you’re good.

Many of us have addressed the reasoning of autoattack buff. You just hate that thieves aren’t fodder anymore.

I play Mesmer, Scrapper and revenant. Thief is still easily the weakest out of all 4 in nearly every situation from my 3k+ hours of playing, at least 2k which are on thief.

Don’t sit in melee auto. L2P.

I made no personal claims about my own skill level save to defend myself from baseless accusations. You and those that are responding like you are the ones who brought personal skill into any of this.

You in particular have provided a grand total of one argument: no matter how powerful thief autoattack gets, just never get hit by it and you’re fine! You can just walk away by strafing and there’s no possible way the thief could ever have a chance of hitting you!

Thief could be dealing 99k damage per swing with autoattack and you could make the same argument if that were true. People would be justifiably upset that they died instantly when a thief so much as looked their direction, but you’d still be here saying that you can “walk away” if you stuck to your guns.

The reasoning of your argument is ludicrous, whether you are successful or not in PvP.

And you’re whining about a 1k average increase to AA chain. My argument with walking away is that AA is SUSTAINED damage. Not BURST. You have plenty of time to react before significant damage.

If you let a thief stick on you and SUSTAIN melee damage on you because you didn’t react, that’s on you. Remember, you’re whining about 1k every 3 seconds in melee range, 3 seconds in which a thief can’t do anything defensive.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

fumcheg.1936:

The all antire thread is about your personal skill lvl

No, it’s becoming about people like you that can’t see past the fact that I happen to sometimes play a ranger. Intellectually, you lack so much vision that I doubt you can properly understand anything past the end of your nose.

You’ve not addressed the argument or provided any reasoning in the context of thief autoattack damage buffs.

Yeah yeah we’re all bad, we’re all wrong, you’re right, you’re good.

Many of us have addressed the reasoning of autoattack buff. You just hate that thieves aren’t fodder anymore.

I play Mesmer, Scrapper and revenant. Thief is still easily the weakest out of all 4 in nearly every situation from my 3k+ hours of playing, at least 2k which are on thief.

Don’t sit in melee auto. L2P.

I made no personal claims about my own skill level save to defend myself from baseless accusations. You and those that are responding like you are the ones who brought personal skill into any of this.

You in particular have provided a grand total of one argument: no matter how powerful thief autoattack gets, just never get hit by it and you’re fine! You can just walk away by strafing and there’s no possible way the thief could ever have a chance of hitting you!

Thief could be dealing 99k damage per swing with autoattack and you could make the same argument if that were true. People would be justifiably upset that they died instantly when a thief so much as looked their direction, but you’d still be here saying that you can “walk away” if you stuck to your guns.

The reasoning of your argument is ludicrous, whether you are successful or not in PvP.

And you’re whining about a 1k average increase to AA chain. My argument with walking away is that AA is SUSTAINED damage. Not BURST. You have plenty of time to react before significant damage.

If you let a thief stick on you and SUSTAIN melee damage on you because you didn’t react, that’s on you. Remember, you’re whining about 1k every 3 seconds in melee range, 3 seconds in which a thief can’t do anything defensive.

Orion.3812:

fumcheg.1936:

The all antire thread is about your personal skill lvl

No, it’s becoming about people like you that can’t see past the fact that I happen to sometimes play a ranger. Intellectually, you lack so much vision that I doubt you can properly understand anything past the end of your nose.

You’ve not addressed the argument or provided any reasoning in the context of thief autoattack damage buffs.

Yeah yeah we’re all bad, we’re all wrong, you’re right, you’re good.

Many of us have addressed the reasoning of autoattack buff. You just hate that thieves aren’t fodder anymore.

I play Mesmer, Scrapper and revenant. Thief is still easily the weakest out of all 4 in nearly every situation from my 3k+ hours of playing, at least 2k which are on thief.

Don’t sit in melee auto. L2P.

Orion.3812:

alchemyst.2165:

This may be the funniest thread I’ve seen in a while. The thief nerf threads are back, guys, just like we knew it would happen because some autoattacks got buffed lol.

Seriously, theres not a problem with a thief having some sustained damage to use when they’re out of initiative. Again, there are higher AA’s on other classes, go complain on their forums.

Show us the OP autoattacks of other professions, please.

Keep in mind that when you’re deciding which ones are OP, that other classes do not have backstab burst damage which counts toward total DPS. Thief auto should be the weakest auto in the game to allow for thief burst to be the highest in the game. That is balance.

Yeah bro, 4k PvP backstab much burst. And I say PvP because this game is balanced on that game mode. If thief auto should be worst in game, I’d like 10k backstab on 3k armor targets.

Thief burst highest in game LOL I’ve been hit harder by passive pet attacks, mauls, shatters, CoR, unrelenting assault, DH traps, Gunflame, Trueshot, passive traited spinal shivers, you name it. Sometimes ACCIDENTALLY.

BTW, you play a profession with possible 5k autos from the south pole with Longbow. But yeah melee autos where I’m actually in the fight should be weaker, mhm.

Orion.3812:

Jana.6831:

Orion.3812:

Surely you cannot be arguing that the AA buff is justified when you just stated that the entire problem with the game is that damage is too high?

Did I ever say it was justified? No – just that it shouldn’t be a problem to you as every class hits out equal if not bigger damage.

If you are not here to address the idea under discussion, then why are you here? Either agree with my point that buffing AA was a bad move or disagree with it and provide supporting arguments, but kindly take your personal offense toward my interest in a fairly balanced game elsewhere.

It’s a waste of everyone’s time to read the L2P drivel that this thread has turned into, and if we as players ever hope for Anet Developers to take our discussions in the forums seriously then the toxicity has to stop and intelligent study and well-articulated opinion must become the norm.

Anet doesn’t read thief forums.

I wonder if you were calling for “intelligent study and well articulated opinion” when all the thief mains were all but forced to shelve their class until this patch.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

I’m well aware forward speed is faster. Turn with your mouse. Stop clicking your skills like you probably do too.

I do “click” skills, but only when I’m taking a dump and winning PvP via remote control with my phone’s touch screen. Get on my level, you condescending twit.

If I’m condescending its because of things you’ve said lol. I started out pretty serious about my defense of the AA buff, but after some of your statements like about how you can’t kittening kite from melee AA, I have dismissed you as another baddie QQing. Like everyone else here should.

If we moved the damage to anywhere else, sword AA raw damage increase, larc strike, backstab, odds are you’d still be whining. That’s because thief hard counters bads. Stop being bad.

You can burn cooldowns to open the gap. You cannot just “walk away”. I shouldn’t have to explain to you the difference if you are such a good player.

I have explained plenty my defense of buffs. You have said nothing but " wahhh I sat in melee autos and died teef OP!"

You can walk away. Unless the thief has godmode reflexes and best internet, you can always position yourself to make him miss autoattacks. Out of melee range. Or you can counterpressure because a thief is half dead after smokescale and bristleback bursts and BECAUSE WE CANT DODGE OR DEFEND OURSELVES DURING AA.

Just admit that your panties are rustled that thieves aren’t free kills anymore rofl. Must hurt to have to use your brain huh? Oh well back to your braindead profession of “build tanky no prob pet hits harder than teef!”

Two edits followed by a double post quote? You should maybe relax before all that angst gives you a heart attack.

I’m on mobile and missing buttons sometimes lol. And while I’m here, L2P.

No

/15chars

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

I’m well aware forward speed is faster. Turn with your mouse. Stop clicking your skills like you probably do too.

I do “click” skills, but only when I’m taking a dump and winning PvP via remote control with my phone’s touch screen. Get on my level, you condescending twit.

If I’m condescending its because of things you’ve said lol. I started out pretty serious about my defense of the AA buff, but after some of your statements like about how you can’t kittening kite from melee AA, I have dismissed you as another baddie QQing. Like everyone else here should.

If we moved the damage to anywhere else, sword AA raw damage increase, larc strike, backstab, odds are you’d still be whining. That’s because thief hard counters bads. Stop being bad.

You can burn cooldowns to open the gap. You cannot just “walk away”. I shouldn’t have to explain to you the difference if you are such a good player.

I have explained plenty my defense of buffs. You have said nothing but " wahhh I sat in melee autos and died teef OP!"

You can walk away. Unless the thief has godmode reflexes and best internet, you can always position yourself to make him miss autoattacks. Out of melee range. Or you can counterpressure because a thief is half dead after smokescale and bristleback bursts and BECAUSE WE CANT DODGE OR DEFEND OURSELVES DURING AA.

Just admit that your panties are rustled that thieves aren’t free kills anymore rofl. Must hurt to have to use your brain huh? Oh well back to your braindead profession of “build tanky no prob pet hits harder than teef!”

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

I’m well aware forward speed is faster. Turn with your mouse. Stop clicking your skills like you probably do too.

I do “click” skills, but only when I’m taking a dump and winning PvP via remote control with my phone’s touch screen. Get on my level, you condescending twit.

If I’m condescending its because of things you’ve said lol. I started out pretty serious about my defense of the AA buff, but after some of your statements like about how you can’t kittening kite from melee AA, I have dismissed you as another baddie QQing. Like everyone else here should.

If we moved the damage to anywhere else, sword AA raw damage increase, larc strike, backstab, odds are you’d still be whining. That’s because thief hard counters bads. Stop being bad.

Jana.6831:

A ranger who complains about AA of a thief – really makes sense as rangers absolutely have no weapons like a LB or ever evading GS and S/D to evade auto attacks.

+1

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

If you don’t know how to avoid melee auto attack, then I’m not equipped to deal with that. Kiting from melee in this game is as easy as moving a step to the left and then keep going. Thieves don’t have super speed and limited quickness.

Tldr this whole thread L2P.

Forward run speed is higher than strafing speed. Quickness doesn’t even affect run speed. Thief gets super speed (equivalent) from Hidden Thief while stealthed (formerly an effect from Acrobatics, was changed in patch).

Have you misplaced the W key on your keyboard?

Lol.

Hardly any thieves run SA. Unless you have QQ about SA too, if so, lol.

I’m well aware forward speed is faster. Turn with your mouse. Stop clicking your skills like you probably do too.

And finally. L2FP.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Lol your other comment on smokescale. Like thief AA damage is instant? It takes like 3 seconds to complete a chain. That damage will STILL be less than a focused passive smokescale AND slower AND is MELEE AND requires my toon and not my pet to do something.

You CAN walk away from autoattacks. If a thief uses an ability to catch up to you, that’s initiative spent that could have been used defensively and is NOT autoattacks and is aside the issue. Saying you can’t walk away from thief autoattacks is like saying you can’t walk away from warrior autoattacks.

And your last point, so just because a thief is pressured he shouldn’t be able to do damage without wasting defensive options like initiative? This is not sustainable. We don’t get initiative back on swap, and don’t even go there with Quick Pockets. We can’t just swap weapons and spam cooldowns like other classes. We don’t have passive AoEs that do damage while we go do something else, we don’t have good reliable invulns, we don’t have offensive cooldowns to swap to and spam. All we have is an autoattacks buff to keep up with everyone else, but I guess that’s too much to ask for.

Post patch thief is only more adept at killing you if you’re afk or bad enough to sit in melee autoattacks. Sorry not sorry we do more than 1k crits in PvP now.

I don’t get the point you’re trying to make about my smokescale comment having anything to do with thief autoattack.

You cannot walk away from warrior autoattack. You cannot walk away from any melee attack that allows the attacker to continue moving during the animation, because they can simply keep walking toward you while you walk away.

Do you even play this game?

If you don’t know how to avoid melee auto attack, then I’m not equipped to deal with that. Kiting from melee in this game is as easy as moving a step to the left and then keep going. Thieves don’t have super speed and limited quickness.

Tldr this whole thread L2P.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Orion.3812:

GodOfWar.3624:

ITT: People who let thieves backstab them with no stun breaks QQ’ing in the thread.

ITT: People making comments without reading.

Backstab is fine. This is about auto attack.

This is about MELEE auto attack. That you can walk out of or counterpressure since the thief can’t do anything defensive while auto attacking. I still have zero problems on thief even on Mesmer. Because I know how to prevent myself from being hit by MELEE auto attack. That you can walk out of. Or counterpressure against.

With all the passives and AoEs in this game (btw that thief has minimal access to), a MELEE auto attack buff should be the last of your complaints. Sorry but if you’re letting someone dagger you in the face, you deserve big damage. Bigger than vs an AoE or passive attack. Passive like 10k ranger pet attacks.

No ranger pet hits passively for 10k damage. A remorseless tiger on a stupidly squishy target with double signet buff might get that high on an F2 active pounce, if the ranger dumps all cooldowns in a one trick pony spec into one shamefully obvious attack that you can literally walk away from because of pet AI problems.

You cannot “walk” away from a thief. Since when are thieves rooted during melee autoattack like certain other leather-wearing professions and their pets? They are completely free to pursue you with more mobility than any other profession in the game. The only counter to a thief is pressure, and a good thief will handle the pressure by spending initiative. Pre-patch a thief with a weak auto and no initiative was no longer a serious threat. Post-patch a pressured thief is far more adept at killing you.

Lol your other comment on smokescale. Like thief AA damage is instant? It takes like 3 seconds to complete a chain. That damage will STILL be less than a focused passive smokescale AND slower AND is MELEE AND requires my toon and not my pet to do something.

You CAN walk away from autoattacks. If a thief uses an ability to catch up to you, that’s initiative spent that could have been used defensively and is NOT autoattacks and is aside the issue. Saying you can’t walk away from thief autoattacks is like saying you can’t walk away from warrior autoattacks.

And your last point, so just because a thief is pressured he shouldn’t be able to do damage without wasting defensive options like initiative? This is not sustainable. We don’t get initiative back on swap, and don’t even go there with Quick Pockets. We can’t just swap weapons and spam cooldowns like other classes. We don’t have passive AoEs that do damage while we go do something else, we don’t have good reliable invulns, we don’t have offensive cooldowns to swap to and spam. All we have is an autoattacks buff to keep up with everyone else, but I guess that’s too much to ask for.

Post patch thief is only more adept at killing you if you’re afk or bad enough to sit in melee autoattacks. Sorry not sorry we do more than 1k crits in PvP now.

Pyriall.1683:

How do you farm Hero points normally?

Either WvW ranks (very slow) or PVE hero points (faster but not fun for all). I was a little kittened when I found out I paid for HoT and Anet essentially said I have to play their kitten expansion to enjoy the content outside of PVE.

On the plus side, as you get masteries, each successive elite spec for your other toons gets faster and easier. You need masteries for a lot of the HP in HoT zones, which by the way are worth 10x more than HP in other maps.

Orion.3812:

GodOfWar.3624:

ITT: People who let thieves backstab them with no stun breaks QQ’ing in the thread.

ITT: People making comments without reading.

Backstab is fine. This is about auto attack.

This is about MELEE auto attack. That you can walk out of or counterpressure since the thief can’t do anything defensive while auto attacking. I still have zero problems on thief even on Mesmer. Because I know how to prevent myself from being hit by MELEE auto attack. That you can walk out of. Or counterpressure against.

With all the passives and AoEs in this game (btw that thief has minimal access to), a MELEE auto attack buff should be the last of your complaints. Sorry but if you’re letting someone dagger you in the face, you deserve big damage. Bigger than vs an AoE or passive attack. Passive like 10k ranger pet attacks.

Orion.3812:

Looking out from the walls of Stonemist Castle right now, all I see is thieves. Something is wrong here.

People playing thief
Something wrong

Maybe people dusted off their thieves after months in the kittenter? Go sit in melee AA some more and ponder how OP your lack of skill is.

Coulter.2315:

TheLastNobody.8319:

oi, reading all these thief posts is starting to make me regret ever pitying the profession.

Wait til they are OP again.. Then you’ll really love them.. Classic Thief quotes; “Sword#2 is fine,” “feline grace is fine,” “preloading SD#3 to use with steal is fine,” “Steal is fine, so what if you can’t read it on 3 sheets of A4” …

They will hang on to ANYTHING, feel no pity.

yum salt

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea if the current system does this.

We won’t get SoloQ back. Fine. But you can’t just let it slide how unenjoyable matches vs premade teams are.

If we are going to have 1 queue for everyone, either SoloQers get an automatic dip in MMR or premades get an automatic bump up in MMR. It does not have to be a major difference, it can be fine tuned to see how much is enough, but I think something to level the playing field in this area is needed. Without some kind of compromise to SoloQers, PVP loses credibility and appears to rewards veterans stacking vs soloers and newcomers. PVP, especially a mode like Conquest, is impacted HEAVILY by tools like Teamspeak for VASTLY better team communication than chat.

Ok I’ll bite. Aside from Null Field and Arcane Thievery, what is another source of burst condition removal?

Dr Patrik.3642:

Azukas.1426:

1 question

Which class is the only class to be stacked up to 4 per team and win an ESL tournament?

Thanks

Answer: I refer you to point number 2 of my latest post on this thread.

Being in the meta for a long time != Dominating a meta so harshly that 4/5 team members can be that one build and win

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Oishi.4358:

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

Kicast.1459:

solus animus.8549:

Thief
we decided that throwing auto attack damage in the mix will solve this. Our vision is your role shouldn’t be able to contribute to anything other than finishing half dead enemies or +1 fights

Unfortunatelu this is how it should be…otherwise you have to nerf their mobility.

revs, druids, mesmers, eles say hi

Rev cannot use his mobility to escape away from the fight at will.

wat? since when?

Since always unless you trying to imply that phase traversal is ground targeted in which case /facepalm.

you can use all 3 shiro utility spells to get away if you use it properly

yeah you may not be able to teleport on top of clocktower roof but on other hand you have UA with endless following range

besides thieves don’t get away for free, it either costs ini or CDs and are not always available~

Oh yeah..i completely forgot that riposting shadows cost next to 0 energy and that we swap to new legend with 100% energy. Keep acting like revs has everything for free and always available. Not. And riposting shadows wont let me get away from mobile class btw. the only way i can escape from fight is when i am not focused.

I believe his point was more so that the impacting cost of revenant utilities/skills are far less than the cost of thief utilities/skills.

1. Riposting Shadows = essentially soft CC immunity while in shiro and has way less of a CD than anything on thief with those effects. AND returns 50 endurance. New acro thief LOL

2. Anything gets focused, a thief has a life span of about .5 seconds when focused if you wanna trade.

3. At least revs swap with the baseline amount of energy available. I’d say thats pretty free compared to what thieves get with intiative.

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

Kicast.1459:

solus animus.8549:

Thief
we decided that throwing auto attack damage in the mix will solve this. Our vision is your role shouldn’t be able to contribute to anything other than finishing half dead enemies or +1 fights

Unfortunatelu this is how it should be…otherwise you have to nerf their mobility.

revs, druids, mesmers, eles say hi

Rev cannot use his mobility to escape away from the fight at will.

wat? since when?

Since always unless you trying to imply that phase traversal is ground targeted in which case /facepalm.

No one implied that, you just need to learn to play rofl.

Between timing dodges (which give STABILITY), sig of energy and Riposting Shadows, you should have absolutely no problem getting the hell away from a fight. If you’re lucky, there’s another fight the next node over and you can even Phase Traversal away. In WvW is where it gets problematic escaping, but off topic.

- old s/d thief switched to Rev for ranked

So Anet invested in these new maps, and everyone avoids them and crams into EBG. What we have here is a company that put resources into a project and refuses to let that investment go to waste.

On the player side, there is rampant dissatisfaction. The player base nearly unanimously would rather have Alpine back and Desert gone, as is the case since HoT release to date. As a result, many players have quit to the point that several previously full servers are now all open. Meanwhile, since players sticking around either hate the new maps or find them too empty to use, they have all crowded to EBG and create server lag (a problem with this game mode that goes farther than maps and more about infrastructure quality). That’s right, those of us left can barely play in slideshow mode half the time, even when roaming away from blobs.

On top of all this, the automatic nature of WvW actions since HoT has diminished the value of individual player participation. Anet literally diminished player percepted importance, viable playing space, and service reliability all at once, all to defend a broken map that was wrongly designed to begin with.

Get a team capable of better extracting requirements and preferences from end users, admit you don’t care about what users think due to ego, or end the mode already so your users that play solely for WvW can log out permanently.

So Anet invested in these new maps, and everyone avoids them and crams into EBG. What we have here is a company that put resources into a project and refuses to let that investment go to waste.

On the player side, there is rampant dissatisfaction. The player base nearly unanimously would rather have Alpine back and Desert gone, as is the case since HoT release to date. As a result, many players have quit to the point that several previously full servers are now all open. Meanwhile, since players sticking around either hate the new maps or find them too empty to use, they have all crowded to EBG and create server lag (a problem with this game mode that goes farther than maps and more about infrastructure quality). That’s right, those of us left can barely play in slideshow mode half the time, even when roaming away from blobs.

On top of all this, the automatic nature of WvW actions since HoT has diminished the value of individual player participation. Anet literally diminished player percepted importance, viable playing space, and service reliability all at once, all to defend a broken map that was wrongly designed to begin with.

Get a team capable of better extracting requirements and preferences from end users, admit you don’t care about what users think due to ego, or end the mode already so your users that play solely for WvW can log out permanently.

Blue Hare.8612:

You can’t make it super powerful because of venomshare. With venomshare Basilisk Venom is actually pretty good.

Who the hell would even use SA anymore just for the GM..

Agree with guy above me, its not viable. I have probably about 3-4k hours on thief alone. S/D D/P and Staff builds are all trash compared to other classes’ meta builds.

Condition herald and DP thief in same tier.

Gimme wat u smoking pl0x

Guys, someone is still playing thief! It’s still OP wtf Anet get your balancing team on the job!

/s

Because we have OP stealth and permanent evades!

I’ll start:

Guarded Initiation (Thief)

Remove conditions when striking an enemy while your health is above the threshold.

Health Threshold: 90%
Vulnerability: 1% Incoming Damage, 1% Incoming Condition Damage
Weakness: -50% Endurance Regeneration, 50% Fumble (Unrestricted)
Slow: Skills and actions are slower.
Conditions Removed: 1

VERSUS

Diamond Skin (Lel-ementalist)

Conditions cannot be applied to you when your health is above the threshold.

Health Threshold: 90%

What baffles me is how small this company and community are, and we are still running around playing the kittening game of corporate communication bullkitten.

Everything is “Anets never wrong, the community just isn’t playing the game right!”

LordOtto.2650:

It’s a game, ppl choose to play how they want, and if I choose to sit down, then I sit down… If you don’t like it you can argue in chat, an say “good things to him/her”, like I do..
Sometimes I am the troll and just quit, seeing that my team mates from solo queue are St- id.

Except you are ruining the experience for other people. Which Anet should not be okay with. Go hot join if you feel like you should be able to quit at any time, scrub.

Scrap might on SA. Put 2 or 3 might on cloak and dagger. Done, buffed /D without buffing D/P.

Nocta.5274:

Azukas.1426:

For all the people who claim thief was OP at some point in time I ask them this one question:

“When in the entire history of GW2 was taking 2 thieves meta?”

Thank You

Tell me, before HoT, when was not taking a thief even a possibility ?

No need to lie between ourselves, we were great for a long time.

That means meta. Not OP. Go back to May 2015 and play a game as panic strike or CS thief vs a double banner shoutbow team.