Guild Wars 2

dominik.9721:

pls stop comparing precision strike with true shot. neither the dh has the same survivability and mobility nor he is able to deal an additional 6k hit by swaping legends and weapons instantly.
Not to mention that the animation of true shot is much more obvious than the animation of precision strike.

Except that 6k hit by swapping legends requires the Rev to store more energy than they have when they start the fight.

Rev doesn’t have a CC “time out” box like DH does, nor does it have good ranged pressure. Let’s not talk about only one class’s toys here.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Gameplay vid pls

Ruru.1302:

DaShi.1368:

Actually, studies are finding that competent toxic employees are of less value than less competent friendly employees. The mantra of not caring about their attitude as long as they can do the job is a signal of a naive manager.

Well, you’re not working with this guy, neither do you have to interact with him if you so choose. Not to mention it’s usually a one time thing.

How we went from talking about a sparsely populated “esport” to managerial preferences is astounding.

That conversation’s been had like, a year and a half ago. Long story short Anet doesn’t care.

SkyShroud.2865:

fishball got the idea

the system is flawed, if the system is to continue to run for longer time, u will see all kind of players at legend itself.

when ppl say u can grind to legend, they totally mean it.

edit: it is not like the real ladder system where u have a fixed number of slots for every division and thus the only way to go up is to beat the ppl down.

Then there’s no reason for anyone to get “stuck” is there?

Lose the Hammer. Learn Marauder and Invocation build. Don’t go Paladin Retribution, that build is worthless. Tickle damage and no real sustain.

1 v 1 I have no problems shutting down a Tempest with Invocation revenant. They can bunk the point for maybe 10 seconds.

TorquedSoul.8097:

Aeowia.7214:

TorquedSoul.8097:

Aeowia.7214:

Doesn’t matter who uses these despicable game mechanics like AC’s against players, cloaking waters, chilling fog, airship, and the list is sadly very long – they are and remain wrong and a major reason for slowly killing the fun of playing WvW.

It’s not the first time we condemn these, but our voice is ignored. There are always a few supporters of anything or anyone, that’s just how humans are – but the dev team should be concerned with the long term health of the game mode and should’ve focused on those who gave life to WvW and now are gone. The last remnant will be gone soon if nothing changes: revert back to pre-stab and nerf AC (or make siege bunker wxp reduce 50-90% instead of 10%).

Yes we JQ, are also guilty, of using these unequivocally detestable game mechanics: capping empty objectives, using multiple AC’s when we outnumber the enemy (I never seen this, but maybe happened, though only 1 server does this), using cloaking waters, chilling fog, dragon banners, and many others. Being guilty doesn’t make these any less reprehensible.

The WvW players deserved a competitive environment, where skill mattered, where everyone would’ve been encouraged to improve and become better, where the winner would’ve been decided based on who played better and not who capped more on deserted maps in a dead game mode. The changes that lead there were forced upon us, WvW gradually became worse, and now it’s at an all time low.

This is the game now and we are guilty for still playing it sometimes, hoping for a miracle, until we leave too. Everytime we use these game mechanics something dies inside, because we know: by using these, we kill our beloved game mode.

Are you trying to shame Anet into creating the game you want?

Despicable game mechanics. Why not just call Anet immoral and be done with it?

Here is what I suggest for the sake of you mental health, go find another game. Walk away. Get some closure. Don’t stay here and let Anet force you to engage in despicable and immoral acts. Its not good for the soul.

You really don’t get it? This isn’t about me alone, far from it. These are the feelings we shared countless times and wasn’t boredom alone that made most of them leave. For WvW to survive these has to be understood, since these voices are no longer with us. That’s my pain, the loss of those players, not the “immorality” in itself.

Also this is likely my last post. Use it to answer the “why all they left” question. Or consider us “just a minority”. Or just continue to ignore all, doesn’t matter anymore.

All I am saying is this: If you harbor such negative feelings about the game, then maybe you should go.

Not sure why it is such a problem for you. If you are not happy, leave. I would offer this advice to everyone who felt this way, even if they are the majority.

Go do something else. Forget about Guild Wars and Anet.

I’ve never seen people so conflicted over a game.

Guys, the person that compared real life warfare tactics to WvW just told someone else to lighten up.

Gameplay vid pls

IMO Svanir hits harder

Razor.9872:

Thief can steal the might other professions generate…

And it lasts how long exactly? Ill also add that its priority is last: you need to strip every other boon first. Don’t even get me started how situational and tedious that sounds when classes like revenant generate 10 might by standing around…

I think it needs a shave. But don’t completely revert the changes. This skill was useless before other than using in a combo field for burning or something.

Analogy:

The way might works right now would be similar to fury stacking intensity with one stack being 5% crit chance. No Quarter trait from Thief would be broken.

That still doesn’t solve the disparity between class might stack access. If stacking in duration, thief still has 50% might uptime by taking thrill of the crime.

R O C.6574:

^^Not sure if there is anyway to prove this.

Thief is not this easy https://youtu.be/z0JWZ8t08TY

R O C.6574:

Thiefs get unfairly singled-out as the reason why a team loses. It’s a lot easier for a crappy player to hide in some of the “meta” classes. But you all have stated that you’d rather have a bad necro, ele, engi, mesmer, etc, than a bad thief. Why? Because apparently bad players can still offer something? What is it? I’ve been on teams with no thiefs and people still make idiotic plays. Your bad attitude toward thief as a class is costing you more wins than you think. This whole thread is full of speculation and bias. You already hate thief, so when you lose a match, naturally you blame the thief on your team. I think it’s funny how everyone seems to think they should be telling you what to do in a match. Total BS

Not defending general thief hate, but I think it is true that a bad meta player will still be more effective than a bad thief.

Crimson Shi.5047:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

This make no sense at all, when you suggest solo roaming takes more skill.
Alot of it, especially 1v1s are all about the build most of the time, also most players there are not running builds for small scale fights, nothing is really balanced in WvW either.

sPvP is about rotations and small group play.
Nobody with no sense of skill rotations, in any form of PvP; even organized WvW zergs, can spam skills if they want to stay alive or win a fight against skilled groups/players, * apart from corruptomancer with scepter perhaps.*

You just had to go there. Theif got a buff to auto attack to ya know :p

Does thief AA do something like corrupt boons? Are thieves stacked almost every match now? That’s the difference.

The amount of might some professions have is really unbalanced compared to those like Thief which essentially has no viable might access. What if might was duration stacking and stacked a static amount of condi and power (100 or 150) to even the playing field?

Narcarsis.5739:

Staff Thief…had more than enough survivability in Season 1’s meta.

We playing the same game?

+1

What division are you in?

Team fights are only half the game. Rotations and knowing where you should be are the other half.

This game is not balanced on 1 v 1.

And yes to get to legendary, I had to reroll between thief, engi, or revenant depending on team and enemy comp. Sure you could use one class to go all the way, but I think revising build/comp will get you better and quicker results.

They’re “ok” in team fights, but like you said totally replaceable by something else that is better in a fight. Nothing can replace the insane vertical mobility that SB offers.

ITT: Thieves still salty that we’re subpar in teamfights and want to fill a role that they are not best at.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Right now. (excluding OP scrappers, druids, revenants, thiefs)

How do thieves even belong in the same group as the other 3…

Just before June 23 change. We had:

Panic Strike D/P Thief
Cele Shoutbow Warrior
Cele D/D Ele
Cele Rifle Engi
Hammer Meditation Guardian

Sure, some classes were left out. But we were in a far better and balanced state than we are now.

Stumbled on this video on Youtube randomly, check it out I think it would help you a ton.

Lol remember when Ranger Rapid Fire got the buff? Probably the earliest example I can think of for skills like this.

On the other hand, most/every elite spec offers ways to mitigate damage other than evades. DH F3/Aegis-dropping trap, Mesmer shield 4/f5, Revenant shield 5/Riposting Shadows, several Engi Hammer skills, Ranger Staff 3/Staff 5/Celestial Shadow.

Yeah there’s just too much power-hate in this meta for any real burst build to be viable other than Marauder Invocation Revenant (whose damage is almost over the top…but I love it <3). Between Engi Bulwark Gyro, Ele protection, constant weakness and “Rise!” shout from Necros, etc. etc. etc.

TBF, bringing a thief can be appropriate vs a necro heavy team. Me in a yolo-Q game in Diamond https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlvYb8fmV0. Most situations though, the enemy team having a DH or good Power Rev will shut a Thief down.

Source: Thief main for 2 years that was forced to side-main 3 other classes when Thief became kitten several months back. June 23 patch brought SO many nerfs at once.

:/ sorry to hear. Just block and move on.

Yea I just finished, see my previous comment for all the big things I noticed.

Don’t take it the wrong way, but unless you really step up your game it looks like you belong in Sapphire. I really suggest checking out Twitch streams for Mesmers, Lord Helseth and Supcutie are the first ones that come to mind.

Not finished watching, I’ll update this comment as I go.

1. Rebind your keys. Personally, the right side of my skill bar is bound as 6, q, e, z, x.

2. You take a little too long to make decisions. See 5:40.

3. You aren’t pressuring enough. This is actually a decent summary of the whole video.

4. Learn to use Portal.

5. WAYYY too slow rotations. Use Staff 2 while facing backwards or even Blink to get places faster, please.

6. Using Staff 2 wrong many times…it’s really putting you in places where you are making it hard for yourself to pressure the enemy.

7. 6:50…you just shattered two of your higher CD shatters with no clones.

8. 12:20 Why are you going far??? Look at the points, you can win if you just all hold home.

9. 5:10 What is up with that? Your teammate nearly got stomped while you almost failed to pressure enough while you had 1) shatters ready and 2) distortion for safe stomp ready.

For fun.

To alleviate boredom.

They’re free.

At the end of the day, why is it your business? I haven’t even made one after I reached legendary but I can totally see the logic. It is just fun stomping scrubs sometimes.

They’re free.

SuperduperMLGbsns.9345:

Deniara Devious.3948:

And bring back the removed amulets! We need more versatility, not less.

No. Just no.
I dont want to have celestial cancer again. The concept was one of the worst ideas the devs ever had. Almost as bad as the idea of the revenant itself.

They need to take away the raw stat number advantage Celestial has before even considering bringing it back. Idk why they gave it that advantage to begin with.

Remove Hydromancy because ONE class has traits affecting chill? Why affect builds for ALL classes because of ONE class???

Sirendor.1394:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Sirendor.1394:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

style.6173:

R O C.6574:

Honestly dude balance isn’t that bad. I know that’s not the popular thing to say. It’s not as interesting as “balance sucks, so OP, elite specs ruined the game, I hate this game.”

I play mainly Rev, DH, and DD thief and guess what? They all do pretty well for their given roles. I see warriors brave into a match and do some awesome plays. I tried engi and eli for a while and they do okay just not my style. Druid has some good potential and everyone seems to think Reaper is most op.

Now the point: META doesn’t suck. META is a lie. Balance is fine. If a class sucks for you, you’re not playing it right.

**mic drop

If you think balance is fine, you aren’t playing the same game. Some classes are OP and some are definitely UP.

Put it another way, compare how often you see 3 necros on a team compared to how often you see 3 warrior or 3 thieves.

Stacking classes does not prove something is OP or UP…

See how this match went for me vs a team of 3 reapers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlvYb8fmV0&feature=youtu.be

With 2 reapers 1 scrapper and 1 tempest on your side… this does not prove a lot.

It proves that stacking 3 reapers is pointless and does not prove they are uncounterable (OP).

No it doesn’t really prove anything. All I saw in your video is that your team outrotated the enemy team, which is why you won the match. This doesn’t really deny that reaper is OP (which is it clearly is, in competent hands).

Also, if you were the thief, well played. But you demonstrated that DD is weaker than reaper, because you avoided fights when possible and went for caps instead, which is also the best thing to do as thief, because we can’t really face down reaper or most other elite specs atm.

Edit: Sorry, I edited after you already replied, because I misread the reply.

Noticed this late, but ye I was the thief in the vid :] thnx

Sirendor.1394:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Sirendor.1394:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

style.6173:

R O C.6574:

Honestly dude balance isn’t that bad. I know that’s not the popular thing to say. It’s not as interesting as “balance sucks, so OP, elite specs ruined the game, I hate this game.”

I play mainly Rev, DH, and DD thief and guess what? They all do pretty well for their given roles. I see warriors brave into a match and do some awesome plays. I tried engi and eli for a while and they do okay just not my style. Druid has some good potential and everyone seems to think Reaper is most op.

Now the point: META doesn’t suck. META is a lie. Balance is fine. If a class sucks for you, you’re not playing it right.

**mic drop

If you think balance is fine, you aren’t playing the same game. Some classes are OP and some are definitely UP.

Put it another way, compare how often you see 3 necros on a team compared to how often you see 3 warrior or 3 thieves.

Stacking classes does not prove something is OP or UP…

See how this match went for me vs a team of 3 reapers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlvYb8fmV0&feature=youtu.be

With 2 reapers 1 scrapper and 1 tempest on your side… this does not prove a lot.

It proves that stacking 3 reapers is pointless and does not prove they are uncounterable (OP).

That is just plain false. All I saw in your video is that your team outrotated the enemy team, which is why you won the match. This does not prove in any way that reaper as a class isn’t OP.

The physical limitation of reaper’s movement is what keeps them balanced. This game is not balanced around 1 v 1, or even 5 v 5. It is balanced around the Conquest game mode as a whole. I would like to see them slightly nerfed, especially Deathly Chill (ONE stack of chill does as much damage as several bleeds? no way), but overall they are pretty ok for the most part.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

Its not a game bug. Its not an official skill. It happens a lot. Its been caught on video. Guess what it is?

A FEATURE!

sendmegoldpls

Sirendor.1394:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

style.6173:

R O C.6574:

Honestly dude balance isn’t that bad. I know that’s not the popular thing to say. It’s not as interesting as “balance sucks, so OP, elite specs ruined the game, I hate this game.”

I play mainly Rev, DH, and DD thief and guess what? They all do pretty well for their given roles. I see warriors brave into a match and do some awesome plays. I tried engi and eli for a while and they do okay just not my style. Druid has some good potential and everyone seems to think Reaper is most op.

Now the point: META doesn’t suck. META is a lie. Balance is fine. If a class sucks for you, you’re not playing it right.

**mic drop

If you think balance is fine, you aren’t playing the same game. Some classes are OP and some are definitely UP.

Put it another way, compare how often you see 3 necros on a team compared to how often you see 3 warrior or 3 thieves.

Stacking classes does not prove something is OP or UP…

See how this match went for me vs a team of 3 reapers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlvYb8fmV0&feature=youtu.be

With 2 reapers 1 scrapper and 1 tempest on your side… this does not prove a lot.

It proves that stacking 3 reapers is pointless and does not prove they are uncounterable (OP).

style.6173:

R O C.6574:

Honestly dude balance isn’t that bad. I know that’s not the popular thing to say. It’s not as interesting as “balance sucks, so OP, elite specs ruined the game, I hate this game.”

I play mainly Rev, DH, and DD thief and guess what? They all do pretty well for their given roles. I see warriors brave into a match and do some awesome plays. I tried engi and eli for a while and they do okay just not my style. Druid has some good potential and everyone seems to think Reaper is most op.

Now the point: META doesn’t suck. META is a lie. Balance is fine. If a class sucks for you, you’re not playing it right.

**mic drop

If you think balance is fine, you aren’t playing the same game. Some classes are OP and some are definitely UP.

Put it another way, compare how often you see 3 necros on a team compared to how often you see 3 warrior or 3 thieves.

Stacking classes does not prove something is OP or UP…

See how this match went for me vs a team of 3 reapers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJlvYb8fmV0&feature=youtu.be

Deniara Devious.3948:

runeblade.7514:

Okay, lets say that is true. How are you going to fix afkers trying to lower their MMR?

snip

Lol thief is not straight up UP, but you’re not going to find many people that agree that they nerfing. You’re talking about a MELEE AUTOATTACK. Seems that people have forgotten the embarrassing useless state that Thief was in during S1. Even now, Invocation Revenant is the +1 that old Acro Thieves wished they could be.

I recommend learning a support class to reroll to for these situations, like druid, scrapper, or ele.

Chaith.8256:

It’s all about going with the flow, you can still win if you play for points, and defend the Lord. Pushing Lord may be the best play, but sometimes your team isn’t taking it. Recognize that, and stick to one decision as fast as possible. Teamwork is the best call

Whatever your do, don’t act on your own and take longer to solo the Lord than it takes the enemy team to outnumber and full wipe your base & Lord.

To add to that, I think team comp matters. Do you have a scrapper/druid and ele? I think sticking to defending would be smarter since if they do lord rush, you have the means to defend him. Do you have a DH/rev/thief and a necro? You can burst down the lord in less than 5 seconds so its worth trying. But like Chaith said, act as your team does.

Lol no, maybe one edgy thief.

Ruru.1302:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Ruru.1302:

Sounds like you’re exactly where you’re supposed to be

Lol, if this was a real answer I’d still be stuck in ruby since I hit a barrier there too. Tbh, so sick of seeing this lazy troll answer on forums, wouldn’t mind seeing it get infracted.

Wouldn’t mind you being stuck in diamond t5 forever either

Well sucks, just reached legendary.

Edit: And I solo q’d through all of Diamond.

Ruru.1302:

Sounds like you’re exactly where you’re supposed to be

Lol, if this was a real answer I’d still be stuck in ruby since I hit a barrier there too. Tbh, so sick of seeing this lazy troll answer on forums, wouldn’t mind seeing it get infracted.

My last 20 hours of PVP have been going up and down Diamond T5 with the same exact group of like 20 people on both teams. Advice?

BrotherBelial.3094:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BrotherBelial.3094:

If they give elite specs to everyone, then there is no reason for P4F players to buy HoT.

Put elite specs on a rotation like LoL champions then. 2 free at a time for a week or something.

Again, taking away a reason for people to buy HoT. ANet want ESports, but they also want to make money.

I guess Anet is happy making the game look pay to win then, because to outsiders that is certainly what it looks like. Half the classes don’t even feel like a complete class anymore without the elite spec.

BrotherBelial.3094:

If they give elite specs to everyone, then there is no reason for P4F players to buy HoT.

Put elite specs on a rotation like LoL champions then. 2 free at a time for a week or something.

SERIOUSLY.

I just got out of a game with one thief two druids on my team and double ele double condi mesmer on the other. WHY IS THIS ALLOWED. Is it that hard to evenly distribute classes?!?!?

MAYBE WE’D GET MORE FAIR MATCHES WITH FAIR CLASS DISTRIBUTION.