Guild Wars 2

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With all the cry threads on the PvP forums, Anet will obviously soon realize thief is “2 stronk” again :/

Not that I’m against it, but that might require tweaking to all the skills that pulse stability.

Hexinx.1872:

In t1 roaming is called ‘spawn camping’

Not true! Sometimes roamers camp SMC too.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

I smell a thief main, who is unhappy he can’t 100-0 some classes in 2 sec or less.

Jesus your signature is cringy. l2p

shagwell.1349:

alchemyst.2165:

Lol people are saying p/p is op now?

At this point I’m not even gonna take this seriously. What a bad red herring.

Who said op? It still needs a nerf.

If you THINK it needs a nerf (nerfing p/p, that is just a hilarious thought), you’re implying its OP.

shagwell.1349:

Sure, if you have enough vitality and toughness and you are not losing more then 60% of your hp in the burst, you may survive. How is that good gameplay?

Git gud reaction time?

Regon Phoenix.8215:

I have ever seen only 3 types of thieves:
1) Perma-evade, perma-stealth or/and unload bursters, who kills you before you even react;
2) Lying thieves, who comes into forum to lie that thieves aren’t OP as hell;
3) Bad thieves who can be killed, if you are lucky.

1. Perma evade doesn’t exist, l2p. Perma stealth doesn’t exist and if it does it costs all of the thief’s resources, l2p. P/P as a whole is garbage, l2p.
2. Thieves aren’t OP ~ former thief main, now mains Revenant
3. Maybe you’d kill more thieves if you were gud.

Chaith.8256:

Condition builds are great because of all the power damage-hate that was introduced in the expansion.

Complaining about this build is soooooooooo one year ago.

shagwell.1349:

RodOfDeath.5247:

medusashadow.3567:

This pretty much sums up what we all think of qq.

I beat one of those QQ guys at a camp one cool nice evening. Then proceeded to get blasted with whispers that I needed to stop playing necro and wells are trash, staff was stupid, dagger immobilize shouldn’t be in the game, and war horn cripples are OP.

It was weird……I just said "sorry "

That’s nice. Normally they just run and reset and reset and reset until they outnumber you.

ur tears r tasty

Krysard.1364:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Krysard.1364:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

The #1 reason why i stack toughness and vitality – thieves.
If they get removed from game, i would never build any defense.

Revenants and scrappers say hi. kitten, scrappers can sometimes out damage thieves even without ferocity because of might and ridiculous hammer numbers.

But you can kite scrappers. Problem with thieves is not their dmg output, but their burst and chasing capability.

So thieves have appropriate damage output but their burst is too high? Which burst, the 5k backstabs, the 1.8k mugs? Those numbers are nothing for how expensive backstab is because of stealth requirement and the CD on steal.

The chasing capability is all thieves have, and revenant comes close even after PT nerf. They don’t have the offensive support of revenants or the survivability and rez spam of scrappers.

1. I’ve never said thief burst is to high
2. You hit 5k backstabs against bunkers/sustainers
3.Revs dont have the CC/chasing ability of thief, not even close
4.Thief allows for stealth bursts from both he and his team. You can delete revs, dps druids, eles, dps necros and pretty much anything with low sustain and without passive immune procs.

I’ve never said that I’m against thieves, nor that they are the only reason for bunkers to exist. Thats foolish. But sustainers are stacked each meta in order to avoid being randomly bursted(stealth) and chased to death(shadowsteps)

1. You said it’s a problem
2. I have never hit more than 6k in PvP with marauders and no might. Even on other thieves.
3. 1200 range leap every 5 to 7 seconds is pretty strong chasing. Thief CC is reduced to mug 20s CD, b venom kitten CD 1s stun, and risky head shot spam that depletes initiative quickly. And I guess panic strike, which druids have a 10x better version of. Revs have 2 knock backs that also cleave, 45 CD and 20 CD, as well as am AoE long stun.
4. Scrappers bring the same plus sustain.

Sustainers are stacked in each meta because they are more efficient and less risky than pure DPS for most classes. Thief is an outlier in that there is no sustain build that can tank a point and still fight back. And that is why it appears that thief contributes to locking out other DPS specs but we still had almost no DPS specs when thief was a non issue.

RodOfDeath.5247:

medusashadow.3567:

This pretty much sums up what we all think of qq.

I beat one of those QQ guys at a camp one cool nice evening. Then proceeded to get blasted with whispers that I needed to stop playing necro and wells are trash, staff was stupid, dagger immobilize shouldn’t be in the game, and war horn cripples are OP.

It was weird……I just said "sorry "

Toon name?

Krysard.1364:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

The #1 reason why i stack toughness and vitality – thieves.
If they get removed from game, i would never build any defense.

Revenants and scrappers say hi. kitten, scrappers can sometimes out damage thieves even without ferocity because of might and ridiculous hammer numbers.

But you can kite scrappers. Problem with thieves is not their dmg output, but their burst and chasing capability.

So thieves have appropriate damage output but their burst is too high? Which burst, the 5k backstabs, the 1.8k mugs? Those numbers are nothing for how expensive backstab is because of stealth requirement and the CD on steal.

The chasing capability is all thieves have, and revenant comes close even after PT nerf. They don’t have the offensive support of revenants or the survivability and rez spam of scrappers.

Krysard.1364:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Haha if thieves are the cause of bunker builds why were there still bunker builds in all seasons, even s1 and s2 when thief players were RIP? The historic salt is incredible.

Maybe thieves were rip cause everyone was playing bunker?

Yeah totally not because of elite spec power creep, lol. If thieves were rip because everyone was playing bunker, but everyone was playing bunker because of thieves, what was the point of playing bunker? Maybe because it is more efficient in a point holding game mode?

Haha if thieves are the cause of bunker builds why were there still bunker builds in all seasons, even s1 and s2 when thief players were RIP? The historic salt is incredible.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

The #1 reason why i stack toughness and vitality – thieves.
If they get removed from game, i would never build any defense.

Revenants and scrappers say hi. kitten, scrappers can sometimes out damage thieves even without ferocity because of might and ridiculous hammer numbers.

Sezz.3029:

I agree with this! idk how can you defend the current state of scrapper. Full Zerk with perma stability, able to bunk on a node multiple ppl. And the insane dmg and cc they do it’s ridiculous.

And this right here is the typical person demanding nerfs. “Full Zerk” scrapper lol.

Good reasons and arguments! I’m sure we’ll see an engi nerf (again) because of this engaging and intelligent post!

Regon Phoenix.8215:

You don’t. You simply die.

Yea totes why bother fighting our thief overlords!

I got to legendary with a 5 thief premade, how long will our oppression under our thief overlords last Anet?!

Haha /s

Ross Biddle.2367:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Haha people are really complaining about Vault and Unload? This game’s population has to be full of f2p keyboard turning skill clickers at this point.

L2dodge basilisk venom and/or steal and thief is most likely dead meat. Oh L2P while you all are at it.

Yeah, a suggestion to dodge ability with no activation indications other than requiring you to constantly observe what boons/effects are currently on thief.
+baseless insults
= average thief player.

L2 predict, I dodge steals all the time. If any of you actually PLAYED thief it becomes very obvious when a thief is going to steal. Have you ever even played a fighter game like super smash or street fighter? Being competitive is like 20 percent reactions and 80 percent prediction. .

Yup. A good thief will predict your predicted dodge, and wait, baiting it out. So that leave you to predict his prediction, to which he’ll predict your prediction, and that prediction will need to be predicted.

It’s that simple!

You know you’re a true pro when you predict the 1200 range insta teleport steal coming from behind LoS while stealthed. Just got to play thief, you’ll see how easy it is!

Rofl

Show us your pro ESL level thief gameplay? I mean it’s so easy and unfair right? I’m sure you can pick it up and post a video today.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Haha people are really complaining about Vault and Unload? This game’s population has to be full of f2p keyboard turning skill clickers at this point.

L2dodge basilisk venom and/or steal and thief is most likely dead meat. Oh L2P while you all are at it.

Yeah, a suggestion to dodge ability with no activation indications other than requiring you to constantly observe what boons/effects are currently on thief.
+baseless insults
= average thief player.

keep complaining about a class that is barely a notch above DH in today’s meta. I’m sure you’ll get a lot of sympathy.

Is this trolling? This has to be trolling. Highest burst class is barely above the worst class?
I refuse to believe this isn’t trolling. How can someone write this and not laugh?

Highest burst, pls? Backstab does like 4k or 5k on average in PvP. Meanwhile I can get on scrapper with no ferocity and get the same damage using hammer 2 lol.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Haha people are really complaining about Vault and Unload? This game’s population has to be full of f2p keyboard turning skill clickers at this point.

L2dodge basilisk venom and/or steal and thief is most likely dead meat. Oh L2P while you all are at it.

Yeah, a suggestion to dodge ability with no activation indications other than requiring you to constantly observe what boons/effects are currently on thief.
+baseless insults
= average thief player.

keep complaining about a class that is barely a notch above DH in today’s meta. I’m sure you’ll get a lot of sympathy.

Is this trolling? This has to be trolling. Highest burst class is barely above the worst class?
I refuse to believe this isn’t trolling. How can someone write this and not laugh?

You are threatening his ability to participate with the rest of the playerbase after all.

…of course he is going to get defensive.

Typical crutch build user, starts going all “gollum” and starts crying out for their “precious” when u say anything about nerfing op specs which they use…

Don’t try and take it from them…. it could get ugly, lol.

Haha try again I haven’t played thief in PvP regularly since before seasons, l2p.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Amulets with:
Condition damage+Healing power+Vitality;
Power+Toughness+Vitality.

I would like to play in spvp with same stats i am playing WvW, yet i am forced to change builds and playstyle in different modes. Why is that?

Soldiers and Settlers were removed to discourage tanky builds.

That is stupid. There is tons of traits to make tanky/bruiser builds for some classes, but there very little options to other classes.
Power bruisers can easily build what they want, but condition bruiser are forced to take amulets with power, even if they don’t need it at all.

Because pure condition builds are too strong for PvP. Would you like Dire and perplexity runes instead?

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Haha people are really complaining about Vault and Unload? This game’s population has to be full of f2p keyboard turning skill clickers at this point.

L2dodge basilisk venom and/or steal and thief is most likely dead meat. Oh L2P while you all are at it.

Yeah, a suggestion to dodge ability with no activation indications other than requiring you to constantly observe what boons/effects are currently on thief.
+baseless insults
= average thief player.

L2 predict, I dodge steals all the time. If any of you actually PLAYED thief it becomes very obvious when a thief is going to steal. Have you ever even played a fighter game like super smash or street fighter? Being competitive is like 20 percent reactions and 80 percent prediction.

I don’t even say I main thief anymore. I stopped playing it much because of the trash status it has been in. These days it’s not bad but it has become completely one dimensional and boring as a blow someone up then run away class, because any fight where they don’t win in the first ten seconds is lost. But ok you can go ahead and keep complaining about a class that is barely a notch above DH in today’s meta. I’m sure you’ll get a lot of sympathy.

Ross Biddle.2367:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Ross Biddle.2367:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Anyway, just because a bunch of noobs have gotten stomped on thief doesnt mean the class isnt still as OP as ever (since release).

In the past it’s been well identified that the mechanics of how thief functions are the root of it’s problem (initiative system for an obvious example!). Guess what folks, we still have initiative! XD

~Dumbdumbdumbdumbdumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViF6JRNjTk

OP fosho, that’s why it was dead in the water and barely has a pulse this season. Initiative won’t change, find something else to cry about. Probably “perma stealth” or “perma evades.”

Oh hey, relax, thief and all it’s most shining qualities are here to stay. Everybody knows this regardless of how ridiculous it’s been. Don’t nerf em, don’t change em, just accept em and l2p around them, as well as build around them. Thieves have only ever had themselves to blame for the conditions they’ve had to fight in. If anyone should stop crying, it’s thieves

Though since you mention it, Thief has reached even more ridiculous heights with the evade evade evade spam while engaged, then disengage instantly to cool off before going straight back in to do it all again XD. It’s pretty funny. It’s like a circus, and the thief is the clown.

~Thiefclowns.

>“Thief has reached even more ridiculous heights”
>Thief trash tier for most of the last 8 months

L2p indeed

Agreed. Learn to play thief. They swing matches for their team when they’re good.

So only like the top 10% of thieves have any impact and the rest might as well be afk. OP confirmed!

Ross Biddle.2367:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Anyway, just because a bunch of noobs have gotten stomped on thief doesnt mean the class isnt still as OP as ever (since release).

In the past it’s been well identified that the mechanics of how thief functions are the root of it’s problem (initiative system for an obvious example!). Guess what folks, we still have initiative! XD

~Dumbdumbdumbdumbdumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViF6JRNjTk

OP fosho, that’s why it was dead in the water and barely has a pulse this season. Initiative won’t change, find something else to cry about. Probably “perma stealth” or “perma evades.”

Oh hey, relax, thief and all it’s most shining qualities are here to stay. Everybody knows this regardless of how ridiculous it’s been. Don’t nerf em, don’t change em, just accept em and l2p around them, as well as build around them. Thieves have only ever had themselves to blame for the conditions they’ve had to fight in. If anyone should stop crying, it’s thieves

Though since you mention it, Thief has reached even more ridiculous heights with the evade evade evade spam while engaged, then disengage instantly to cool off before going straight back in to do it all again XD. It’s pretty funny. It’s like a circus, and the thief is the clown.

~Thiefclowns.

>"Thief has reached even more ridiculous heights"
>Thief trash tier for most of the last 8 months

L2p indeed

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Amulets with:
Condition damage+Healing power+Vitality;
Power+Toughness+Vitality.

I would like to play in spvp with same stats i am playing WvW, yet i am forced to change builds and playstyle in different modes. Why is that?

Soldiers and Settlers were removed to discourage tanky builds.

To your second point about build changes between modes, pls you aren’t special we all go through it.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Yes a thief can kill you while constantly evading. Yeah you can’t hit them unless you time a stun for the split second they are on the ground. Yes they are so balanced.

Oh no you actually need skill to fight the most skill and reaction dependent class in the game which also has the least passive defenses? Your lack of skill is OP confirmed.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Anyway, just because a bunch of noobs have gotten stomped on thief doesnt mean the class isnt still as OP as ever (since release).

In the past it’s been well identified that the mechanics of how thief functions are the root of it’s problem (initiative system for an obvious example!). Guess what folks, we still have initiative! XD

~Dumbdumbdumbdumbdumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViF6JRNjTk

OP fosho, that’s why it was dead in the water and barely has a pulse this season. Initiative won’t change, find something else to cry about. Probably “perma stealth” or “perma evades.”

Haha people are really complaining about Vault and Unload? This game’s population has to be full of f2p keyboard turning skill clickers at this point.

L2dodge basilisk venom and/or steal and thief is most likely dead meat. Oh L2P while you all are at it.

Forum bug ughhhhhhhhhhhh

15charrs

RodOfDeath.5247:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

You people know that stealth makes you invisible, not invincible right? Can’t believe 4 years into the game and more reveals and stealth trap access than ever, stealth still OP. L2plaaaaaaayyy.

To OP, power necro is just no good vs nearly everything else right now. Change build, reroll whatever but the game won’t change for you. AoE AoE AoE. Count to 3, use Chilled To The Bone. Ez. Play a stealth class and you will learn how they move and use skills. Only then will you be able to counterplay them by predicting them.

I do pretty decent with my power necro actually, just have to run some toughness for the most part and get some protection up. But Beepboop guy is right, I learned how to counter classes by playing the class and learning what did what. It’s a pain leveling one, but it will help you learn how they move and timing on skills.

Don’t even have to level to 80, just hot join or PvP queue is enough. I’d share my 800 tomes tho, too much bank space.

You people know that stealth makes you invisible, not invincible right? Can’t believe 4 years into the game and more reveals and stealth trap access than ever, stealth still OP. L2plaaaaaaayyy.

To OP, power necro is just no good vs nearly everything else right now. Change build, reroll whatever but the game won’t change for you. AoE AoE AoE. Count to 3, use Chilled To The Bone. Ez. Play a stealth class and you will learn how they move and use skills. Only then will you be able to counterplay them by predicting them.

Sorry bro limited time and resources. Gotta kitten up obsidian sanctum and remove crafting stations instead.

Next patch: giving every PvE mob in WvW a unique name, utmost importance.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

You’ll have whiners still complaining about balance even though the meta has included more classes than ever before. Warrior is looking much better now than 5 months ago, especially if you go conditions.

Inclusion is not balance. This game is still way overtuned in many combat mechanics. Passives, boons, conditions, low cd high damage skills, minimal tells.
It is a big mess that has found a way to include each class in some form or fashion. But far far far from balanced.

Balance = the equality of abilities and viability between classes and builds. In that sense having 8 classes be considered meta is the best state of the game we’ve had.

What you’re complaining about is power creep. Too many boons passives etc. does not impact balance if EVERYONEis using them.

Toon name: I Bought Hot
MMR Hell exists: Haha no git gud
Current rank: Legendary 2x prestige
Proposed rank: Legendary idc where

Inb4 I got carried by MMR and premades and just afk’d through leagues, right rubies?

You’ll have whiners still complaining about balance even though the meta has included more classes than ever before. Warrior is looking much better now than 5 months ago, especially if you go conditions.

Razor.9872:

A-net specifically designed Rev to be weak towards condi’s. That is specifically their weakness.

And now you are asking to remove that weakness.

Ok then.

show me where specifically Anet said Rev is supposed to be weak to condis

Chrono.6928:

Saiyan.1704:

And i’m over here like,

keep going. It’s not as hard as it seems. Your main goal is to get to the final achievement progress this season if you can so it will be much easier to cross the 4 divisions next season. If not done this time I think its impossible. (but theoretically you can still get an ascended back if you make it to the 3rd tier I believe)

pretty sure he’s jokin

Vova.2640:

Vasdamas Anklast.1607:

Vova.2640:

If you wanna duel there is a game mode for that called pvp. Or duel in OS.
Roamers is another thing, they do things that actually help the server so that is welcomed. But people that duel in maps like ebg are worst that afkers, because afkers at least get dced after a while.

Here we go another blobber spit hate out of his braindead biomass blob again.

Isn’t WvW a PvP mode? People duel because they want to get better, obtain deep knowledge of game mechanics and then become more efficient asset for WvW. People like this make new builds and metas. And objectively I don’t see any problem with that but what I see is all those kittening “wvw players” losing their precious lewt bag blob fights and then blaming it on the duellers which are already scarce thanks to you “wvw community”.

Blobber? If a 20-25 man guild group is a blob to you, then I guess…?

PvP is part of WvW, but that is when you actually kill the other guy and do something for your server.
If all you do is duel until one guy is down and then let him res then you are literally doing nothing helpful.
If you don’t like the pvp mode go to OS.

If I am dueling an enemy, aren’t we both doing nothing helpful thus making it fair for both servers by having 1 man “afk”?

Go Wave of Wrath some more

RodOfDeath.5247:

Boring thiefs as usual takes 5 years to fight them cause they reset the fight over and over when they lose. I just emote laugh at them, light them up, then watch them run.

Boring

Can I have a trap that shuts down necro life force pls

play Overwatch, everybody’s doing it

Shadelang.3012:

^ If we vote for the mixed bl in the next route their will litteraly be NO REASON for anyone who hates DBL to be upset

2 abl’s to play on 1 dbl to play on. Whoever wants to play wherever wins.

It would cause unfair matchup. It was silly for anet to even suggest it.

Can confirm, between unplayable DBL and increasingly stale PVP seasons, I will probably take a break from the game entirely if DBL comes back until Alpine returns.

Crowley.8761:

I understand your frustration. I was struggling a lot with my revenant against the condi meta so I tried making a necro just to see what it was like.

And it was hilarious. Having never played necro before I found a cookiecutter build and went to town. First match was something like 18-0 and without realizing it I was actively pursuing the opposing revenant because it was just another free kill.

What surprised me the most is how easy it was to play compared to rev. I don’t mind them being strong but there’s definitely a major issue with the skill ceiling (or floor in this case).

If you can’t beat em, join em :P

Meet the spamwich

roamzero.9486:

Mushin.3928:

I’m not in T1, but I’ve never seen a rev roamer. It doesn’t seem like the class has a viable build for roaming – even condi rev is quite weak compared to other condi builds.

Revs are good for squads and zergs, but not in groups of <= 3.

“Roaming” guilds in T1 run in packs that gank 5v1, so it in that context Rev is quite strong.

Personality I think Druid is overrated too, lots of mobility doesn’t mean much with low killing power and a crappy pet mechanic.

Top 3 for actual roaming are probably Mesmer/Thief/Warrior.

Rev isn’t good solo because its boons are wasted and it needs support.

Agree on Druid, really only useful as a support in a party.

zinkz.7045:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

If you don’t care then why comment?

I see reading isn’t your strength.

I read it. It takes a little bit of effort and care to even type a comment. If you don’t care, then why? To show us how edgy you are online?

BTW good job complaining on us derailing the OP while you continue to derail it and add nothing to the conversation

zinkz.7045:

Sazukikrah.5036:

zinkz.7045:

Sazukikrah.5036:

OH and for anyone who needs proof…

Newsflash – no one gives a kitten about what you or the other random got up to.

Then why did you bother responding? Illogical . You must be a bookah.

I realise you aren’t the sharpest tool in the box, but me pointing out no one cares about who wins the small kitten competition you and the other guy are having that is unrelated to the thread, isn’t me showing a keen interest in your antics.

> Complains about derailing thread
> Continues derailing thread without any kind of content added to the OP

3edgy5me

ventusthunder.5067:

I don’t know, the videos I have on my channel have me destroying one of you QQ kids in almost every single one! Everyone knows you are trash, and the fact that you need to run condi or tank builds to win any fight just proves it.

Koolgai isn’t that your revenant going down? Hadi isn’t that you running away on a condi tank build? It’s also odd how much of the gameplay I have posted is me solo roaming (away from any people to help me!). Hmm, interesting!

I mean, look, I didn’t even have to play in this video- my “zerg guild” crushed yours no problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4U6R74P5Ds

To stay on topic, the entire point of this topic is useless considering that T1 is not “roaming” by any stretch of the imagination. I have no more interest in arguing with Hadi The Saltmaster, him of the 0-10 record in OS.

Lol we had a thief main on condi engi which he never played before, and we played a warrior before buffs. We didn’t even want to do it that day since we didn’t have our best line up online. If you want a reference to what it would be like vs QQ in serious 5 v 5, look no further!

ventusthunder.5067:

For any of you taking this seriously, this is a member of [QQ] giving you his/her personal rankings, and it would make sense to have thief at the top considering that:

Thief is best at running away following a lost fight.

Thief is really good when you outnumber the enemy.

Thief also has a really stupid condi build that should pretty much never lose to anything.

SuperKorean doesn’t even play a thief, at least I have never seen her on it.

Everything is really good when you outnumber the enemy. Like you do with your zerg guild.

We have no regular condi thieves.

Stay salty Meridia, and keep hiding behind your bodyguards every time you fight us. Always funny when you have to be babysat by at least 1 healer and 1 scrapper for stealth, otherwise you won’t leave the keep.

Ross Biddle.2367:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Ross Biddle.2367:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Lukas.7159:

Sazukikrah.5036:

ellesee.8297:

Balancing Revenant: Nerf the hell out of Rolling Mists.

Thats critical hit effectiveness right? I still don’t understand why that’s a thing. 20% crit chance goes up to 40% crit chance with fury , fury gives 20% crit chance. basically 60% crit chance with no points in precision. Ok…

no it only increases fury from 20% to 40%, but this is still an op trait

I’ll give you roiling mists if I can have riposting shadows, crystal hibernation and surge of the mists back. The amount of “rev so OP” from people that don’t play the class and haven’t been paying attention to the insane nerfs it has gotten is funny.

It’s funny when revs cry about rev receiving “insane nerfs” and in the same breath fail to acknowledge how those nerfs didn’t go anywhere near far enough XD

I guess the insanity is how OP rev is despite nerfs. Makes you think about what tier of Mount Olympus they lived on before XD

I’m not a rev. I play 5 of the classes in this game pretty proficiently, including revenant. Rev is slowly slipping to thief s1 territory if morons like you and Fay that have probably never touched a revenant dictate what the class should be.

Edit: oops, after looking at your sig links I know exactly the kind of person I am talking to. Can’t let go of power warrior/mes brah, everything gotta be nerfed to your level?

Doesnt matter if you play rev or not, truth is truth “brah” XD

And don’t worry, I can play meta builds the same as everyone else, despite what links are displayed on the internet.

Nice attempt at rhetoric though!

There was 0 truth in your statement. It was all your opinion that revenant is OP. Its funny that no one in this thread that claims rev is OP has even bothered denying that they have never touched a revenant.