Guild Wars 2

Lol whats hilarious is that a single PI often hits harder than Surge of the Mist now.

#balance

Lordrosicky.5813:

PI kills dead most of the builds that I have theory crafted. As in I will find a really good build but there is a single trait of a single class which makes it not viable. That is awful for the game.

What about PI does 30% less damage but no longer is effected by protection?

That doesn’t nerf it vs classes like engis but means it no longer kills off a ton of builds on its own.

Agree with the killing build diversity of other classes. Had the same experience when I was build testing d/d ele/tempest.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Ha! At least we push a few buttons. Your passives play the game for you.

Idk why people say this. I -was- a thief main before HoT made it boring, but jeez the class elitism is old old old old old old old. Have you ever seen an acro build? Thief has a passive stunbreak + endurance refill and a passive distortion. Can I get a passive infuse light?

Yeah Thief totally has a passive distortion SMH…. this is why you can never take people seriously on the forums.

Distortion is Invulnerability, not Evade just saying.

Oh please cut the semantics. Oh no, the only difference is you can get hit with Pulm!

+ you can also proc the evasion traits in DD and Acro. Was that scientifically accurate enough for you?

No during Evade you can still be CC’d while Invuln you cannot, during Evade you can still take damage from certain traits, sigils and skill while Invuln you cannot. GG it’s not semantics they are two completely different skills. And let it be noted this topic is about Interrupting Distruption and Headshot which the last I checked the Staff Acro Build and the D/D Acro build do not use. Again can’t take you seriously when you say you mained Thief and then say Thief has Distortion.

No you cannot be CC’d lol. Unless you somehow proc mesmer’s CC mirror or another trait like that. You are literally being the biggest nitpicker to try to discredit me. I was a thief main for two years and still play it daily. D/D -> S/D -> D/P now so you’re barking up the wrong tree.

This topic is about ID and Headshot but this is all related. Because all you thief QQers will whine “waahhhhh we can’t 1v1!” so it doesn’t deserve a nerf when its YOUR FAULT you don’t take the builds that allow you to do that.

Oh really you can’t be CC’d? Let’s see try moving through any Line if Warding or DragonsMaw or the DH Spear of Justice Pull while the 2 second Evade is active oh that’s right you will be CC’d by knock down, pull etc while Invuln you wont be affected. I think you should do some research before stating things.

You are the only one discrediting yourself, I’m just providing the correct info.

nice ignoring the whole second paragraph because I’m right

No, I ignored it because it’s not relevant to the discussion, but I will humor you, all I see are people whining about ID and Headshot because they can’t Dodge, use Stab, Invuln, Reflect, Projectile Destroy, or Blocks to stop Headshot from Proccing ID, when they every class has access to at least two of those it’s not the Thieves fault they don’t run them at all.

in regards to the Blur comment you were still wrong and still need to research before stating false information. Blur is Mesmer specific, one skill provides it and that is Blurred Frenzy, I don’t know for certain why they just didn’t put Evade to match every other skill in game that provides a similar Evade effect, so no it shouldn’t be called Blur. Blur is just a relic from when Anet wanted classes to have “unique” effects and removed Distortion from Blurred Frenzy.

And to the Warding affects I used those ones as examples to what I am referring to, but let’s look at the Meta Build Medi Trapper uses Dragons Maw and Longbow which has Hunter’s Ward. Again here research would help a lot. And like you said if they aren’t it’s not the Thieves fault they don’t use what at their disposal and other classes have awards like Staff Ele.

1. Yeah how balanced to have to use longer 20 40 60 second cds to avoid a pulm from headshot, essentially a 4 second cd, which thieves 99% of the time spam randomly between autos very skillfull not passive at all.

2. IDGAF about your blur vs evade vs distortion discussion. It is still essentially a free to use skills invuln immune to -most- CCs making it better than passive endure pain in some ways.

3. It does not use Dragon’s Maw. Anyone using Maw is an easy target. Its like using Daggerstorm because there’s an LB druid lol, stupid and no one does it except bads. If you can’t dodge hunter’s ward with all the evades thief has that is L2P L2P L2P.

Thief mains these days are so irritating. Try playing another class once in a while.

Attaching my match history by class. This also leaves out a lot more games on my older alt account (which I EXCLUSIVELY played thief on), the screenshot attached is of my newer account that started I fresh with 2 years ago.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

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Fat Disgrace.4275:

Ha! At least we push a few buttons. Your passives play the game for you.

Idk why people say this. I -was- a thief main before HoT made it boring, but jeez the class elitism is old old old old old old old. Have you ever seen an acro build? Thief has a passive stunbreak + endurance refill and a passive distortion. Can I get a passive infuse light?

Yeah Thief totally has a passive distortion SMH…. this is why you can never take people seriously on the forums.

Distortion is Invulnerability, not Evade just saying.

Oh please cut the semantics. Oh no, the only difference is you can get hit with Pulm!

+ you can also proc the evasion traits in DD and Acro. Was that scientifically accurate enough for you?

No during Evade you can still be CC’d while Invuln you cannot, during Evade you can still take damage from certain traits, sigils and skill while Invuln you cannot. GG it’s not semantics they are two completely different skills. And let it be noted this topic is about Interrupting Distruption and Headshot which the last I checked the Staff Acro Build and the D/D Acro build do not use. Again can’t take you seriously when you say you mained Thief and then say Thief has Distortion.

No you cannot be CC’d lol. Unless you somehow proc mesmer’s CC mirror or another trait like that. You are literally being the biggest nitpicker to try to discredit me. I was a thief main for two years and still play it daily. D/D -> S/D -> D/P now so you’re barking up the wrong tree.

This topic is about ID and Headshot but this is all related. Because all you thief QQers will whine “waahhhhh we can’t 1v1!” so it doesn’t deserve a nerf when its YOUR FAULT you don’t take the builds that allow you to do that.

Oh really you can’t be CC’d? Let’s see try moving through any Line if Warding or DragonsMaw or the DH Spear of Justice Pull while the 2 second Evade is active oh that’s right you will be CC’d by knock down, pull etc while Invuln you wont be affected. I think you should do some research before stating things.

You are the only one discrediting yourself, I’m just providing the correct info.

nice ignoring the whole second paragraph because I’m right

apharma.3741:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Ha! At least we push a few buttons. Your passives play the game for you.

Idk why people say this. I -was- a thief main before HoT made it boring, but jeez the class elitism is old old old old old old old. Have you ever seen an acro build? Thief has a passive stunbreak + endurance refill and a passive distortion. Can I get a passive infuse light?

Yeah Thief totally has a passive distortion SMH…. this is why you can never take people seriously on the forums.

Distortion is Invulnerability, not Evade just saying.

Oh please cut the semantics. Oh no, the only difference is you can get hit with Pulm!

+ you can also proc the evasion traits in DD and Acro. Was that scientifically accurate enough for you?

No during Evade you can still be CC’d while Invuln you cannot, during Evade you can still take damage from certain traits, sigils and skill while Invuln you cannot. GG it’s not semantics they are two completely different skills. And let it be noted this topic is about Interrupting Distruption and Headshot which the last I checked the Staff Acro Build and the D/D Acro build do not use. Again can’t take you seriously when you say you mained Thief and then say Thief has Distortion.

No you cannot be CC’d lol. Unless you somehow proc mesmer’s CC mirror or another trait like that. You are literally being the biggest nitpicker to try to discredit me. I was a thief main for two years and still play it daily. D/D -> S/D -> D/P now so you’re barking up the wrong tree.

This topic is about ID and Headshot but this is all related. Because all you thief QQers will whine “waahhhhh we can’t 1v1!” so it doesn’t deserve a nerf when its YOUR FAULT you don’t take the builds that allow you to do that.

Oh really you can’t be CC’d? Let’s see try moving through any Line if Warding or DragonsMaw or the DH Spear of Justice Pull while the 2 second Evade is active oh that’s right you will be CC’d by knock down, pull etc while Invuln you wont be affected. I think you should do some research before stating things.

You are the only one discrediting yourself, I’m just providing the correct info.

It would be more accurate to call it blur not distortion as it behaves like blur which is nearly invuln.

^ the real scientist. Sorry BlaqueFyre go study more! Turns out you don’t know anything about the class!

Plus who the kitten uses Maw, Line of Warding, or Ring of Warding??? These are all things way out of meta

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Ha! At least we push a few buttons. Your passives play the game for you.

Idk why people say this. I -was- a thief main before HoT made it boring, but jeez the class elitism is old old old old old old old. Have you ever seen an acro build? Thief has a passive stunbreak + endurance refill and a passive distortion. Can I get a passive infuse light?

Yeah Thief totally has a passive distortion SMH…. this is why you can never take people seriously on the forums.

Distortion is Invulnerability, not Evade just saying.

Oh please cut the semantics. Oh no, the only difference is you can get hit with Pulm!

+ you can also proc the evasion traits in DD and Acro. Was that scientifically accurate enough for you?

No during Evade you can still be CC’d while Invuln you cannot, during Evade you can still take damage from certain traits, sigils and skill while Invuln you cannot. GG it’s not semantics they are two completely different skills. And let it be noted this topic is about Interrupting Distruption and Headshot which the last I checked the Staff Acro Build and the D/D Acro build do not use. Again can’t take you seriously when you say you mained Thief and then say Thief has Distortion.

No you cannot be CC’d lol. Unless you somehow proc mesmer’s CC mirror or another trait like that. You are literally being the biggest nitpicker to try to discredit me. I was a thief main for two years and still play it daily. D/D → S/D → D/P now so you’re barking up the wrong tree.

This topic is about ID and Headshot but this is all related. Because all you thief QQers will whine “waahhhhh we can’t 1v1!” so it doesn’t deserve a nerf when its YOUR FAULT you don’t take the builds that allow you to do that.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Ha! At least we push a few buttons. Your passives play the game for you.

Idk why people say this. I -was- a thief main before HoT made it boring, but jeez the class elitism is old old old old old old old. Have you ever seen an acro build? Thief has a passive stunbreak + endurance refill and a passive distortion. Can I get a passive infuse light?

Yeah Thief totally has a passive distortion SMH…. this is why you can never take people seriously on the forums.

Distortion is Invulnerability, not Evade just saying.

Oh please cut the semantics. Oh no, the only difference is you can get hit with Pulm!

+ you can also proc the evasion traits in DD and Acro. Was that scientifically accurate enough for you?

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Ha! At least we push a few buttons. Your passives play the game for you.

Idk why people say this. I -was- a thief main before HoT made it boring, but jeez the class elitism is old old old old old old old. Have you ever seen an acro build? Thief has a passive stunbreak + endurance refill and a passive distortion. Can I get a passive infuse light?

MadVisions.4529:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

acro staff thieves

ahh… you mean there we have A “viable” build and how dare we think thief deserves more than one couse other classes lack diversity aswell.

Also i can’t really understant why people can’t go with PI getting dodge-able, it would solve multiple problems while seeping some brain into both playing as and against a thief.

Sizer is legendary with S/D.

Several d/d condis in platinum still.

I’d say thats more than 1 viable build

Cynz.9437:

Chapell.1346:

Idk what are you people trying to prove since there was already a proper discussion given and all i read was defensive formation who mainly Thief players that benefited the most with this thread trying to solve, however, while Thief was the most embarrassing class to play why not give us Cooldown when successfully interrupted someone skill animation, better if it’s on Global for innovative purpose.

english please?

i think all the posters here that demand IP/headshot nerf should go make a thief w/o IP trait, play in plat games, record them and show us how “fine” thief is w/o IP

To be fair Kronos and Min Scherzo are both top 15 duo q’ing with acro staff thieves

I’d agree but then there’s the problem of people rerolling classes after q pop

50 percent nerf plz, it was good enough for Surge of the Mist its good enough for PI!

only kinda Kappa

3 time legendary and currently platinum power rev main here.

IMO, the class is still devastating but ONLY when it is played absolutely perfectly (and with luck some mistakes from the enemy). I am kinda OK with where the damage is at (well not really, but w/e people are still salty about old revenant) if and only if we get some survival buffs. Especially something to deal with conditions.

In what form they should come in, beats me. Maybe Renewing Wave cast gets reduced to 1/4 second, maybe add 1 second to infuse light, maybe add more healing whenever Crystal Hibernation gets hit. Something else I’d like to see is a maybe 15% or 20% shave to Thief’s Essence Sap. Maybe even reducing the cast for UA by a 1/4 second so I can actually cast it without getting Pulmed.

Other than that, I wouldn’t say revenant has no identity. It has a lot of useful boon sharing, AoE CC/damage in a team fight, and is really good at denying rezzes (SotM, Chaotic Release, Impossible Odds). In my experience, sword auto + Impossible Odds is effectively the deadliest rez denier in the game. I have killed 3 other enemies just by cleaving on the downed this season.

Nah. The only thing that needs tweaking IMO is Staff 3. Evade, immob break AND 3-4k crits? Not to mention hiding the animation with staff 3 and simultaneous jump. Nerf damage by 25-50%. It should be a defensive skill, not offensive.

OriOri.8724:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Ross Biddle.2367:

OriOri.8724:

I’ll just let Ross take care of this thread for the most part

Lukas.7159:

- Dont let Continuum Split affect Elites
- Nerf the shield #4 (just make it a single block over 3secs duration like war shield, the additional phantasm on both blocks that slows enemies plus gives alacrity is too op), also the #5 needs to be tuned down a bit (double stun, quickness, damage, missile block, combo field PLUS cooldown reduce is too much imo)

- give blurred frency a higher cd, reduce the damage output OR the evasion time; its a 2,5 second evade on a 12sec short cd that actually does good damage

BF is fine. It leaves the mesmer stationary, and is just a blur. Retaliation procs 8 times if you can put it up when mesmer uses BF and isn’t paying attention. And since it leaves the mesmer stationary, any competent player should be moving out of range, making the applied damage pretty low. Its in a pretty good spot balancewise.

We can also compare it to Unrelenting Assault on Rev (another HoT introduction) which IS OP by design for various reasons. BF is a standard. Which is how we know kitten like UA is OP as kitten

Haha UA is OP? Procs confusion each hit and long precast and unreliable damage outside of 1v1? Plz your biases are showing. I’d happily trade.

Read what Ross wrote. UA is OP by design. Its a skill that does damage, evades, and ties you to your target for the duration of the skill, making it impossible for them to just walk away from it (like they can with BF), gives you might, and has an initial range of 450. That’s an OP design for a skill.

Just because it has counters (confusion, retal) and has been nerfed doesn’t mean that the design of the skill isn’t OP. And honestly, with how much their skills have been nerfed, I’m surprised anyone still thinks that Rev wasn’t OP by design. The design of their skills was so OP that they have been continuously nerfed, and nerfed hard. How is that not telling of a flawed design?

Right. L2p

Ross Biddle.2367:

OriOri.8724:

I’ll just let Ross take care of this thread for the most part

Lukas.7159:

- Dont let Continuum Split affect Elites
- Nerf the shield #4 (just make it a single block over 3secs duration like war shield, the additional phantasm on both blocks that slows enemies plus gives alacrity is too op), also the #5 needs to be tuned down a bit (double stun, quickness, damage, missile block, combo field PLUS cooldown reduce is too much imo)

- give blurred frency a higher cd, reduce the damage output OR the evasion time; its a 2,5 second evade on a 12sec short cd that actually does good damage

BF is fine. It leaves the mesmer stationary, and is just a blur. Retaliation procs 8 times if you can put it up when mesmer uses BF and isn’t paying attention. And since it leaves the mesmer stationary, any competent player should be moving out of range, making the applied damage pretty low. Its in a pretty good spot balancewise.

We can also compare it to Unrelenting Assault on Rev (another HoT introduction) which IS OP by design for various reasons. BF is a standard. Which is how we know kitten like UA is OP as kitten

Haha UA is OP? Procs confusion each hit and long precast and unreliable damage outside of 1v1? Plz your biases are showing. I’d happily trade.

Oh look the daily “buff ele nerf everything” thread from Poelala.

oscuro.9720:

Resistance: full removal of any conditions effects, including blind, immobilize, chill, cripple, vulnerability, weakness, etc. It’s more than just damage mitigation.

Weakness: reduction of an enemy unit’s ability to deal damage by dealing glancing blows instead of full powered attacks.

I think the answer is fairly obvious.

Uh no kitten.

Except literally EVERYONE has a source of weakness. Almost all of them passive. Can I have a passive resistance on my power rev plz?

This should be a number 1 priority. kitten the scoring and QoL changes, they’re pointless unless this area improves.

We have a boon that turns off condition damage.

We have a condition that essentially turns off power damage.

Why is one a LOT more common in this game than the other?

Legit tho, people getting mad at other people for not playing the game between Xmas and New Year. Get a liiiiife kek

You guys take this game way too seriously lol.

Just a suggestion. Make it so that people can’t run into structures while in combat. The amount of scruberinos that run glass one shot builds and stealth camp near SMC to gank fights then run inside is too high. It’s this safeguard that encourages this toxic gameplay. Remove it.

Straegen.2938:

I believe tRex has fought in T1 recently during some links. When running 5+ deep they have little trouble mowing over 2-3 times their number. Their necro bombs are to be both feared and respected. There is no powering them down when the guardians and tempests are playing in their set.

I have fought with and against them (more against) and can say without question they are the toughest skirmish crew actively playing by a large margin. The only guild I steer clear of when they are grouped up… course our guild lights a fire under them when we see them off soloing since it is about the only chance we have of dropping them.

Great build synergy but most importantly disciplined. You don’t catch them over extending for a kill. Guilds like QQ are typically easy to draw out and catch one too far from their pack.

Haha I mean QQ can also run nothing but necros and supports and never die. But we like to have fun and not pretend we’re in the NFL. Epidemic spam + minstrels guards and eles do not indicate any level of skill, more like abuse of game mechanics.

Jski.6180:

Always a good thing that it takes siegs / supply to counter a class not other sieges or even walls but it takes supply and these temp. siegs to counter a class…. stealth is broken in wvw and it needs to be fixed badly.

except it does not “take” siege/supply to counter it. its called:

L
2
P

I said this when it came out and ofc everyone jumped me with “kitten AT LEAST ANET IS WORKING ON WVW” and the typical “they aren’t that bad.” Dude, try playing something like thief, then have that notification kitten up your Shadowstep resulting in you Shadowstepping in place. Its kittening annoying and there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THE LACK OF A TOGGLE IN THE OPTIONS.

XTR.9604:

afk.8230:

As a higher skilled thief (at least I fancy myself as one.)

Higher skilled thief = cookie cutter thief that tries to burst a person, realizes they do no damage and shortbow 5 away 24/7? There is legit no such thing as a “skilled thief” in this entire game. You’re all doing the exact same thing and none of you are good for doing it. I literally have zero respect for anyone who plays thief and have even less than that for anyone who thinks STEALTH needs buffed being the 2nd most broken thing in the game next to burning damage.

A few ideas to make this less of a bad deal for everyone is;

make stealth trap visible.

make reveal a real condition to be cleansed.

make the stealth trap a build site that requires 30 supply to complete, thereby allowing you to notice it being built & requiring coordination to deploy.

No to all of the above. Stealth as it is should be made to be a boon that can be stripped, it is already WAY too over powered. I am really wondering if you’re just trolling or if you really are that bad at the game.

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you’re having problems with stealth traps you might not be as good a thief as you think you are…..

This ^

Kek dude.

No such thing as a skilled thief, coming from a dude that plays tank ele then just dismisses everyone as doing no damage hahaha. I’ve dueled you before, most meh kitten I’ve ever seen. Plz don’t go around trashing other classes while you use one of the most carry never die builds around, on the level of mender druid.

Btw if you insist I still have the video from our “duel” tho honestly it was mostly me trying to snuff out the last of your HP bar for 5 minutes. YOU do no damage, except to something as fragile as a glass thief, but can still tank a glass thief’s full burst and heal to full instantly.

But ya you keep on imagining you’re sooooo skillful in tank ele.

Seriously. Spec traits full glass, take marauder amulet, still burst an ele for like only 20% of their HP with SoTM Equilibrium. While going without condition clear. \

Pure garbage balancing.

skullmount.1758:

Instead of nerfin rezzing why don’t we nerf stomping.
If you’re going to nerf rez, you need to nerf stomp. make it have to be closer, take more time (or not effected by quickness, unless thats already not effecting it, in which case it needs to take longer.) I swear some classes can somehow stomp faster than others (being on the receiving end). There have been time where its only like a second and then i’m stomped/finished (and no it wasn’t a thief with their op elite skill).

Earth to player, check your reality.

Who even stomps anymore. In a team fight everyone cleaves these days. Try stomping someone in a team fight and 9/10 times you will fail.

Lettuce.2945:

Just wanted to post a video of our guild 3 v 3’ing QQ’s 3 best players with only 1 of our best players in OS. I do want to say thanks for a good fight but I would be lying. It was kind of easy considering the average length of each 3 v 3 was 30 secs to 45 secs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at2u6pd0i_8

And a special shout out to Hadi for being so kind to “allow us” to spawn camp your guild. I didn’t realize we needed your permission. So kind of you to consider our feelings. . Maybe you should re take math class and count how many people you had at your spawn? And maybe you should include the rest of the video in which you got killed 3 times and you even tried to run back to spawn but got scorpion wired like a boss. . Enjoy your day Badi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5OfAZaEdY

Legit stalker lol.

Btw, we wanted 5v5s cuz we don’t comp for 3v3. The entire fight was the 3 man focusing me on power rev lol which our warrior and Ele can’t do much about since your cheese necro was like full dire trailblazer and started with full shroud like an kitten each round. How’s T2 tho, have fun wasting more xfer gold just because you can’t stand not throwing more salt at us.

triggerhappy.3871:

Suggestion: revealed on sneak attack try.

Then, you have normal auto attacks.
Problem solved.

Only if the sneak attack is unblockable lol. Unless you want DH to counter thief even more.

Jana.6831:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Jana.6831:

And you have never faced a Berserker with durability runes? And think that all those who call that class and build OP should be ashamed of themselves – alright then. Why don’t we all just run the same class with the same build and call it a day? Even then skill wouldn’t matter if it’s berserker – just random wins/losses everywhere.

Jana kitten already holy crap. All you do is try to shame others for not playing terrible builds. Your d/d build is dead, get over it already. Better build != OP. I don’t even understand what is OP about boon duration on Warrior, their resistance and stability are long lasting/pulsing already. The only thing I see strongly buffed by boon duration is Healing Signet active use, which is useful but not game breaking.

Shut up, whoever you are – don’t pretend to know me and use that as an argument in a discussion.

Pls I see you on the PvP forums and thief forums all the time. Complaining how your build is dead. How handicapped and sad you are. Boohoo.

AllNightPlayer.1286:

You want equality? Then give up your special stealth attacks and use normal auto-attacks in stealth like every other class, even Mesmer.
You want to stay special? Then deal with the special treatment.

“Special”

You’re right thief is pretty special. They’re unique in having the most bad 1v1 match ups and the worst team fight presence. But yeah, one class isn’t “special” in one way so I guess it’s completely fair to kitten thief up. Never mind all those other ways that mesmers are “special.” Can thief have a boonshare build? I’d kill for mesmer shield on my thief.

Jana.6831:

And you have never faced a Berserker with durability runes? And think that all those who call that class and build OP should be ashamed of themselves – alright then. Why don’t we all just run the same class with the same build and call it a day? Even then skill wouldn’t matter if it’s berserker – just random wins/losses everywhere.

Jana kitten already holy crap. All you do is try to shame others for not playing terrible builds. Your d/d build is dead, get over it already. Better build != OP. I don’t even understand what is OP about boon duration on Warrior, their resistance and stability are long lasting/pulsing already. The only thing I see strongly buffed by boon duration is Healing Signet active use, which is useful but not game breaking.

JediSange.1645:

I would love to know what builds are at play here. The Warrior seems like a really standard Power Roamer with Durability runes. But is the Herald anything special?

Edit: Just saw you are the Rev. Would love to know more about the build if you don’t mind sharing. Otherwise, great vid dude!

Thanks, its just standard power shiro/glint with durability runes.

Grimreaper.5370:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Jana.6831:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Jana.6831:

So you still wvw because you can run a faceroll class and build and have fun why all of those who don’t stand a chance against that quit?

Fights like these (minus the faceroll) were really common until June last year when things got out of control.

Uhh Jana from one thief main to another, the rest of us are allowed to have fun even though your D/D build is dead lol.

- a former s/d p/d thief

I don’t care what you played before – you didn’t get my point. People are quitting because of “your fun”. If I had any faith left I’d say that this video is proof that wvw finally needs balance and would thank you for that. Maybe I will 3 months from now.

yawn cry more

Looks like you’re kind of a hypocrite telling someone to “cry more” when you cry quite a bit your self, accusing people of hacking when your brainless “I win” build doesn’t pull through vs a skillful opponent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2zlgwO-EZ0

Haha one day I knew Min kitten would eventually post a video. What a carry build, 2700 armor acro and defender runes? Maybe when they finally fix staff 3 stow and he can stop exploiting the free evade, I’ll give that tryhard an ounce of respect.

Jana.6831:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Jana.6831:

So you still wvw because you can run a faceroll class and build and have fun why all of those who don’t stand a chance against that quit?

Fights like these (minus the faceroll) were really common until June last year when things got out of control.

Uhh Jana from one thief main to another, the rest of us are allowed to have fun even though your D/D build is dead lol.

- a former s/d p/d thief

I don’t care what you played before – you didn’t get my point. People are quitting because of “your fun”. If I had any faith left I’d say that this video is proof that wvw finally needs balance and would thank you for that. Maybe I will 3 months from now.

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Jana.6831:

So you still wvw because you can run a faceroll class and build and have fun why all of those who don’t stand a chance against that quit?

Fights like these (minus the faceroll) were really common until June last year when things got out of control.

Uhh Jana from one thief main to another, the rest of us are allowed to have fun even though your D/D build is dead lol.

- a former s/d p/d thief

afrocrusade.4253:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

afrocrusade.4253:

Daredevil: Passive evades need time cut down. When a condi d/d DD comes at you mashing 3, dodging repeatedly, and pops his signet to just dodge more, then dodges even more with signet, it’s absolutely stupid. There is no way to fight that.

Or: Vault spam and bound spam on point. Easy.

Passive evades? There is only one passive evade on Thief and its in Acro not Daredevil and no one takes it, because no one takes Acro.

All Thief Evades except the one trait in Acro are Active not Passive
Good try though.

And you stop the dodging by using Immobilize or any Daze or any stun, knock down , also an reflect negates the damage same with blocks, and dodges, and cleanses….. And then the big one not standing directly under him and kite him since they lack any semblance of real mobility.

You stop the dodging… During what window? I’m calling vault and d/d 3 passive btw, because they’re not just raw dodges.

There is no window on some playstyles, but I still crap on scrubby thieves, it’s still a bit ridiculous to have one appear out of nowhere on point and completely slam 4 people for 20k damage without being able to be hit.

How is an evade passive if they had to press a button to make it happen… Is Withdraw passive too???

Your hilarious 20k story, if you’re talking about Vault 20k would need like 3 Vaults at least to get that damage on squishy enemies. Vaults which are completely interruptible and blindable as the thief is coming down to the ground. Another thing, a thief that Vaults 3x in a row is out of initiative and will either burn high CDs to escape or die.

“I play Daredevil exclusively”

Will never understand people that never play other classes and then think they have any idea what they’re talking about when demanding nerfs/buffs lol.

XerMeLL.6042:

Sir. Do you know what armor and runes he is using? I need an idea for my 2nd set. Thanks for the reply.

I’ll point him towards this post when I get home tonight. I think he’s using durability runes? No idea on gear stats but I would think some zerk/cavalier/knights combination.

Aileras.9460:

does he even kill anyone till the end, seems like its good for surviving only. The fights these days go on forever and no one dies, it gets boring and everyone runs off.

To be fair, we were 3 v 6? Or so during the fight at bloodlust point. The female scrapper was insanely tanky and obviously just a rez bot.

Dawdler.8521:

Was nice. The enemy would have easily won if they had brought decent condi roaming builds to counter the pure power roaming builds, but still.

Lol you’re telling me! Roaming as revenant with no support or healer be like

https://youtu.be/OGLOgr2Vh_w

Fights like this make all the unexciting hours kind of worth it. Not my video, but I am the white revenant.

Shout out to Hadi the edgemaster for esports banner swap <3

Have a guild mate that suggested some clears on shield. Maybe one on shield 4 or one per pulse of shield 5.

You can always save your time and not play Ranked PvP. You’re right, it is stupid. It means nothing, has no proper balance team, and offers zero incentive to play the same exact leagues for the 4th time.

The hospital burned down :O

Dusk.4708:

great replys, so I guess condis are just a pain and theres no getting around em so ill play a little more aggressive against them to keep from getting blown up.

Ding ding that’s the only answer.

Vs condi builds like mesmer it’s all or nothing. Dodge everything and hurt them bad when you can. Our offense is our only defense vs conditions outside of the blocks and evades. I’d suggest sigil of cleansing and Invocation, I’ve never tried this setup myself because I don’t craft but it looks promising.

These days if I’m solo or on EBG I run invocation and retribution together with durability runes and fried golden dumplings for boon duration and might. It makes a nice training wheels build. The extra might really helps make up for the damage loss from dropping devastation and the stability/versed in stone proc are nice.

I wanna give leadership a try in WvW but haven’t felt like it’s worth the proofs because of the looooong CD and poop stats. Imo they’re great in PvP where fights don’t last too long because of teammates and lack of stats like Dire, but in WvW those 45 seconds in a sustained fight vs conditions are literally an eternity.

Jeknar.6184:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Does a tick of 12k burning for one second really outshine 3 ticks of 4k burning for 3 seconds lol? So conditions are weak because you can’t get a tick as high as a backstab?!? Sounds like the typical condition roamer.

Tell you what, it’s fair this way because maybe a 12k backstab requires full glass builds, while a 12k over 3 seconds burning stack can be done while in Terminator armor. Btw we aren’t even talking about how much DPS is possible when several conditions are ticking lmfao.

Yeah, but you need to put several stacks of these condi to make them tick THAT high, and they are likely to be cleared before you reach that point by any semi decent player that knows he can run condi clears to counter condis. Your response is a typical response of a zerker player who refuse to run condi clears because “i’ll lose muh deeps”.

I’ll tell you what. I run zerker mesmer and the only condi build that give me trouble is the condition chronomancer. This one is broken beyond repair, no doubt. But even dire/trailblazer necros fall short simply because instead of running domination line for dem high crits, I run inspiration for sustain and condi clears.

Zerk doesn’t imply no clears genius.

And yes I agree that condition mesmer is the biggest offender and has been for literally years at this point. This patch’s condi war could also be a problem if it weren’t so easy to kite. Every time I duo with my condi war friend everyone ignores him and focuses me

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Jeknar.6184:

vana.5467:

But now that we have condition bursts which deal equivalent damage to many power bursts, this is no longer the case.

I’m still waiting someone to name which condition skill can burst like Decapitate, Gunflame, Backstab, Mindwrack, Coalescence of Ruin, etc. Even with several stacks of burn, the strongest condition atm, I haven’t seen a 12k tick (maybe if I /sleep under a mortar like the people on this forum seen to do). But I’ve been hit with 12k by these skills.

How do you even get this dense?

Does a tick of 12k burning for one second really outshine 3 ticks of 4k burning for 3 seconds lol? So conditions are weak because you can’t get a tick as high as a backstab?!? Sounds like the typical condition roamer.

Tell you what, it’s fair this way because maybe a 12k backstab requires full glass builds, while a 12k over 3 seconds burning stack can be done while in Terminator armor. Btw we aren’t even talking about how much DPS is possible when several conditions are ticking lmfao.