Guild Wars 2

Haha supreme is there any class that isn’t OP to you other than yours?

Thieves are only a threat to me (revenant) when they’re condi, and only when there’s 3 or more focusing me. Power thieves are ez.

Condition damage affecting siege has always been kittening dumb. WvW devs have out in their all to make this game mode a bastion for condition players. Can my cannon hits crit please?

Revenant – meh. The continuous theme of nerfing without giving anything back (LIKE CONDI CLEAR) is getting old. This class will soon become Thief/Warrior Season 1 if this keeps up, especially with the death of Cleric Ele which carried Revenants hard.

Thief – its ok…the role of being a ganker and runner just isn’t for me. I used to main thief before specializations when they weren’t so pidgeonholed and could put up a better fight.

Engineer – Haven’t really touched since last balance patch. I imagine Healing Turret is popular again?

Mesmer – Still need more time to see how power mesmer will fit in the meta after patch. I will say, in WvW it is not fun getting 100-0’d in an instant again with the return of Mantra of Distraction Shatter Mesmers.

Druid – Good spot IMO.

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs… And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Toker can’t fight ppl 1v1 on his thief let alone out numbered.

That kitten needs the axe

Against equally skilled opponents neither can Druid lol. My power rev eats them easy alone. My thief can randomly spam head shot for 3k pulms just because every single thing druids do has an annoying cast time.

They run nearly no toughness and are ez to power spike. The healing means nothing when you have to heal up like 22k HP and have no toughness to help keep it up.

It wasn’t even strong last season and offers limited team support outside of heals and celestial shadow (yay decap your own team, or be forced to get off point for a few seconds). They give no boons to the team other than vigor, and do not give out the auras that cleric tempest did.

Uhh huh sure….lol

Very intelligent input.

Then again you made a whine thread about bunker and condi when last season we had one bunker-ish support and equal number of condi builds to power builds.

I guess I wouldn’t value your input anyway.

Zelulose.8695:

At this point you just trying to find fault either to troll or to make me look bad. Rampage as one and a signet can provide half a minute of stab-ability. on fairly short CD. if used correctly you can stop a flurry of cc and keep healing yourself and your team.

Strength of the pack I will concede it is a good skill that druids need. But the signet lmfao. Who the hell even uses that signet. Short CD, that signet is like 60 or 70s.

Bro I don’t have to make you look bad. You posted a video of you vs brainless NPCs that mostly focused your pet while you clicked skills to survive, then insisted that this video is proof that druid needs a nerf. You troll yourself more than I ever could.

Zelulose.8695:

They do have allot of stabability… CC will kill them but not immediately. They have at least half a minute where they can be cc immune. which is only down for the next 28 seconds. (assume no increased boon duration)

I also wan’t to point out if you deal enough damage to kill that much healing without cc (Rev for example) your taking multiple hp bars down which any class besides rangers wont be able to take. This is why I talk about rev. damage. I have seen them insta gib anything 16k without toughness. That means all mard thief are insta dead. Using a broken class is a poor comparison to prove druid isn’t op.

Also, telling me a class can be rock paper scissor countered is cliche. Obviously you can counter build anything but the question is if that counter build is effective in a team setting. You might be thinking 1 vs 1 in terms of their strength.

Half a minute of cc immunity. Lol. It lasts for 12 seconds.

I fail to comprehend how the kitten anyone still thinks revenant is broken, have you even played one?

Crystal Hibernation – nerfed forever ago
Infuse Light – nerfed forever ago
Riposting Shadows – nerfed few patches ago
Phase Traversal – nerfed few patches ago
Surge of the Mists – nerfed several times
Unrelenting Assault – nerfed forever ago, and is extremely broken (does not work)
Warding Rift – nerfed this patch
Equilibrium – nerfed 25%

Let me guess, the only class not broken in this game is the one you choose to play because you have honor or some other bullkitten. L2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p l2p.

PS. Ty to the poster that brought up the skill clicking in the video, ima ignore this guy’s input now.

Azukas.1426:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs... And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Toker can’t fight ppl 1v1 on his thief let alone out numbered.

That kitten needs the axe

Against equally skilled opponents neither can Druid lol. My power rev eats them easy alone. My thief can randomly spam head shot for 3k pulms just because every single thing druids do has an annoying cast time.

They run nearly no toughness and are ez to power spike. The healing means nothing when you have to heal up like 22k HP and have no toughness to help keep it up.

It wasn’t even strong last season and offers limited team support outside of heals and celestial shadow (yay decap your own team, or be forced to get off point for a few seconds). They give no boons to the team other than vigor, and do not give out the auras that cleric tempest did.

Zelulose.8695:

I showed another players gameplay If I posted my own you would likely troll me so I showed druid strength from another players perspective (less bias). Now you can look at the second post and watch druid in pvp. I’m saying its too strong and the video shows him outhealing. Where is your video evidence that druid is weak?

What? Bik is a really good player. This is like me showing magic toker gameplay and demanding thief nerfs… And as someone posted above, Bik said that he is kittened if CC chained lol.

Famine.7915:

Me and my guild can find a use for pretty much anything (with limits). Just never found a good enough warrior or rev to run with before, so can’t speak for those.

I was the first power rev main in my guild. It is definitely worth having one for small team play, especially if you have a good comp with support heals and stealth. The amount of offensive support they put out (50% boon duration, pulsing might fury swiftness and even protection if you’re good, and AoE 10 prevent crit damage for team) will be very helpful.

Invocation power rev imo plays like an evade thief. Extremely glassy and can drop bombs, sustains mostly through not getting hit and saving your heals. Condi rev losses out on some of the might swiftness fury and protection because they often don’t take glint, but you do gain AoE resistance.

Zelulose.8695:

Sure playing druid takes allot of skill…

If you question that, then take it to a queued game and post a video of that instead of acting like a kitten and posting PvE videos lol

Zelulose.8695:

Lol I can use any heal I wan’t to at this point.

Post another video with a different class doing the same thing I just did without using dodge or blocks or evades and sitting there for 5 minutes. And then you can talk about me taking npc. If you watched the video. I pointed out I faced NPC because they wouldn’t run from me. I wanted to show I can out heal damage permanently No energy bar needed.

Don’t know this player but he did a good job. Sadly I’m using his video as an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AePZuaiIJI

Oh well at the end of the day it was a nice PvE video I guess. Try it vs an invocation revenant or a necro.

It’s broken because… You can tank NPCs???

You aren’t even using We a heal as one, so I’m just gonna assume you don’t know what you’re even talking about.

Xillllix.3485:

I don’t think Karl understands

/pvpforum

Sarrs.4831:

Mezmere.3241:

Whats the fun in not playing for a few weeks so you can outstack the other servers in the current game?

i dunno why you’re asking me, i don’t play on bg

Hi I’m on BG

There is no fun in not playing a game right now in order to win at a future date. People are not showing up because nothing to do. The level of historic salt and conspiracy theories aimed at BG is funny.

Link.1049:

Lol… this is cute… rev and mes need several more nerfs… don’t cry though it could be worse, you could play thief. Remember, it’s not a balance update if they didn’t nerf thief.

Plz, as a former thief main, explain to me how the thief nerfs come even close to something like -25% Equilibrium damage.

Zelulose.8695:

Ya if they nerf all the defenses revenant has so they arn’t so tanky vs power/projectile specs they can fix the bugs along with the patch.

Crystal Hibernation – nerfed forever ago
Infuse Light – nerfed forever ago
Riposting Shadows – nerfed few patches ago
Phase Traversal – nerfed few patches ago
Surge of the Mists – nerfed several times
Unrelenting Assault – nerfed forever ago, and is extremely broken (does not work)
Warding Rift – nerfed this patch

What are you still crying about? And vs projectile specs, the power build doesn’t even have a reflect. Here’s a secret to beating any rev ever: get anet to delete cleric ele so rev doesn’t have a leg to hump, play condi.

Before nerfing a class, how about fixing all the kitten bugs first? Nope, the Anet way is to nerf and break even more things!

I guess when all your intelligent talent leaves for Amazon this is what happens with the bottom of the barrel.

Pets buffed…but staff needs a nerf…

gonna need more explaining than that bub

RodOfDeath.5247:

Yeah, so play the game?

All I’ve seen from you BG guys in the forums lately is “Bg isn’t playing right now, we on break mode”. Don’t question the ppt.

inb4 t2 guys complain about unfair matchup and BG blobs

Zenith.7301:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zenith.7301:

You’re such a joke. Other classes whiff a skill on aegis or a block and their skill goes on full cd. You whiff it and only need to wait 1 second to try again.

These thief crybabies.

Haha the good old “thief op omg skill spam omg no cd initiative broken” QQ.

Cry more. Was about time you paid the price other classes pay when they miss a skill, instead of being a spammy mongoloid class who doesn’t care about blocks/blind.

No thanks I stopped crying and moved on from thief. Now I play 5 other classes and have a far easier time :^)

Zenith.7301:

You’re such a joke. Other classes whiff a skill on aegis or a block and their skill goes on full cd. You whiff it and only need to wait 1 second to try again.

These thief crybabies.

Haha the good old “thief op omg skill spam omg no cd initiative broken” QQ.

Malediktus.9250:

Season 4 will be horrible with the current max burst meta. Season 1 > Season 2 > Season 3 > Season 4

my god ppl is he actually serious

reikken.4961:

endurance is a resource too though (unless you too are a daredevil)

Actually, daredevils have limited endurance too, but you seem to be in the “perma evade thief OP” camp.

zxstanyxz.8769:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Rezzet.3614:

tornado is good the problem now is that anet toned down survivability but forgot to balance out the insane damage some professions have, for example what justifies thief not having their 60% damage buff reverted ? the whole point of that change was to make them competitive during bunker meta

now damage is so overwhelming you get instagibbed even with max toughness builds even with protection and 33% damage reduction utility

Maybe you should dodge or not react like a dead cat?

Thief nerfs: selfish use of b venom nerfed to only 1 stun and can possibly be considered a nerf to pulmonary impact, staff AA nerfed damage, all stealth skills have a CD on them now to punish players that miss stealth attacks (only 2 chances per stealth).

What more do you want other than “I should never die to thief ever”? The profession has no team support and can barely sustain itself before having to run away and gank someone else. They have nerfed the right things to encourage more intelligent play for thief.

kinda hard to dodge something when you can’t see them due to always attacking from stealth (and when you do manage to dodge it they stay stealthed to try again… yeah thats fair right?)

They stealth. Count to 3. Dodge. Ez.

Stealth isn’t free. It costs initiative which is a global cooldown on all skills, endurance, or a utility cooldown. If they restealth, congrats you won that trade by making them waste resources while you did… nothing.

Rezzet.3614:

tornado is good the problem now is that anet toned down survivability but forgot to balance out the insane damage some professions have, for example what justifies thief not having their 60% damage buff reverted ? the whole point of that change was to make them competitive during bunker meta

now damage is so overwhelming you get instagibbed even with max toughness builds even with protection and 33% damage reduction utility

Maybe you should dodge or not react like a dead cat?

Thief nerfs: selfish use of b venom nerfed to only 1 stun and can possibly be considered a nerf to pulmonary impact, staff AA nerfed damage, all stealth skills have a CD on them now to punish players that miss stealth attacks (only 2 chances per stealth).

What more do you want other than “I should never die to thief ever”? The profession has no team support and can barely sustain itself before having to run away and gank someone else. They have nerfed the right things to encourage more intelligent play for thief.

Yeah I don’t even touch my thief anymore. I was a thief main for 2 years with 2k plus hours. After the rollercoaster of nerfs and buffs since specialization patch, thief has been left as a boring, one dimensional glass cannon. All or nothing playstyle gets hella boring, and is still considered OP by scrubs.

I see nothing good or exciting in thief’s future and have since branched out to Revenant, Mesmer, Engineer and Ranger.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Johje Holan.4607:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Nappy.6218:

Player Killing & Solo (or +1)

Thief. Immediate disengage with stealth and quick burst ganks. Gets really stale and one dimensional though. And if someone sneezes on you you’re dead. Can pick off or escape outnumbered fights the easiest.

Mesmer and Druid aren’t far behind. Scrapper too but it’s a little slow for me to escape zergs.

No, please no more stealth teefs or Mesmers.

Poor guy one day you’ll realize stealth doesn’t make you invincible.

Invincible, no. That is true. But it sure make you annoying AF by letting you reset way too many fights when things don’t go your way. It’s one huge bail out of jail card for sure.

Couple this with insane mobility and it will give your opponent the feeling they have little power over any outcome where a thief is involve. If they loose, the thief will bail and there is very close to nothing you can do to prevent him escaping even by ccing him silly. If they win there is also very little you can do to escape…

As much as they can sux in pvp they can be a tad too good in wvw roaming.

Mesmers can do the same. Scrappers can do the same. Druids can do the same. All with better fighting potential than thief and stronger defenses.

Honestly don’t understand all the thief griping these days.

Jeknar.6184:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Jeknar.6184:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Poor guy one day you’ll realize stealth doesn’t make you invincible.

But it make you invisible, and that’s surely a good thing to save someone’s butt from being kicked…

So? You can still AoE and cleave them. You can still predict and dodge their next attack. The counterplay to stealth is having a brain.

When the stealth is used to run away and reset the fight, there is no counterplay. You’re not going to catch a thief/mesmer/druid that is fleeing invisible. Hell, I’ve juked several people with decoy stealth alone without even running PU. If I were running an actual stealth build I would be able to reset fights at will and no one would be able to do anything about it.

So? Resetting a fight doesn’t mean winning. Resetting is also pretty much a vital roaming skill that is often done without stealth almost just as easily. You can also counterplay the stealthed runner by… following them? Predicting what direction they would try to go is not hard if you saw where they stealthed. Don’t forget stealth isn’t free and often costs CDs. Is stealthing and running away really that much more uncounterable than a Druid staff 3 and gs3 away 2300 range every 15s?

When I get the stealth kite treatment I start doing emotes to rile them up and come to me to attack.

Jeknar.6184:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Poor guy one day you’ll realize stealth doesn’t make you invincible.

But it make you invisible, and that’s surely a good thing to save someone’s butt from being kicked…

So? You can still AoE and cleave them. You can still predict and dodge their next attack. The counterplay to stealth is having a brain.

Johje Holan.4607:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Nappy.6218:

Player Killing & Solo (or +1)

Thief. Immediate disengage with stealth and quick burst ganks. Gets really stale and one dimensional though. And if someone sneezes on you you’re dead. Can pick off or escape outnumbered fights the easiest.

Mesmer and Druid aren’t far behind. Scrapper too but it’s a little slow for me to escape zergs.

No, please no more stealth teefs or Mesmers.

Poor guy one day you’ll realize stealth doesn’t make you invincible.

Nappy.6218:

Player Killing & Solo (or +1)

Thief. Immediate disengage with stealth and quick burst ganks. Gets really stale and one dimensional though. And if someone sneezes on you you’re dead. Can pick off or escape outnumbered fights the easiest.

Mesmer and Druid aren’t far behind. Scrapper too but it’s a little slow for me to escape zergs.

Solo or small group

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Loop.8106:

I average about 300-450k dmg due to the sustain I have. While playing shatter mesmer I average about 350-500k dmg.

So you provide proof that tempest, being bruiser with massive sustain, deals nearly same damage as damage dealing class, but don’t think that having massive sustain+damage is a problem?
K.

Lol. You didn’t even read his next paragraph.

“No. Mesmers, like thieves aswell as other burst-type classes ie; Dragonhunters put out damage in short periods of time with somewhat of a cooldown to it. Meaning, their damage actually matters. 15k dmg during a 2-4 second window with an 8 second cooldown is far superior to 15k dmg during a timespan of 10 seconds.”

Why are we even humoring this guy, I know I didn’t know kitten anything about balance when I was 6 months into gw2.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

weakness is fine, the counter play is to simply remove the weakness condition.

Lol that’s like saying the counterplay to blocks is unblockables. Not everyone has enough clears to handle damaging Conditions, let alone debuff ones.

Ithilwen.1529:

Thieves… well, I can beat a thief by timing a punishing block or aoe. I don’t think they are as big an issue as they are made out to be.

someone’s improved this season :^)

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

And thieves stacks incredibly well.

Did you hear that? That was the sound of what little credibility you have dying.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Unrank-bois/first#post6242944
oh look, you never had any credibility to begin with.

I didn’t even post in that thread?

Congrats on sapphire tho bby maybe even ruby next season huh?

If nothing changes too much, then diamond will be an average difficulty mission, so see you there. That is, if you have reached diamond yourself.

Actually the last two seasons I’ve reached legendary solo q with a month to spare…

Well good for you. I haven’t had that much time to grind ranks, but i bet you had lots of time to do so.

“With a month to spare”

Inb4 “legendary means nothing, you got carried by MMR”

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

And thieves stacks incredibly well.

Did you hear that? That was the sound of what little credibility you have dying.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Unrank-bois/first#post6242944
oh look, you never had any credibility to begin with.

I didn’t even post in that thread?

Congrats on sapphire tho bby maybe even ruby next season huh?

If nothing changes too much, then diamond will be an average difficulty mission, so see you there. That is, if you have reached diamond yourself.

Actually the last two seasons I’ve reached legendary solo q with a month to spare…

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Regon Phoenix.8215:

And thieves stacks incredibly well.

Did you hear that? That was the sound of what little credibility you have dying.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Unrank-bois/first#post6242944
oh look, you never had any credibility to begin with.

I didn’t even post in that thread?

Congrats on sapphire tho bby maybe even ruby next season huh?

sinject.4607:

Chaith.8256:

sinject.4607:

hurr durr but thief still hits harder!

If Scrappers or Druids, or any class did the damage of ten backstabs in one single auto-attack, the hyperbole is pretty meaningless if it’s not actually standing out in the meta-game as an outlier on the overpowered end. Wait until the balance patch to see, I’m calling no nerfs to Scrapper, but I’m not counting on anything.

After the changes to Scrapper last major patch, the persistence of these threads amounts to a Scissors rant about Rock

the only reason scrapper doesnt look like as much of outlier as it used to be is the presence of condition specs everyone widely agrees to be overtuned

you subtract Macezerkers/Condi Chronos/Reapers and Scrapper is easily capable of being a completely overbearing force in the meta. it has no bad power match ups whatsoever.

1. We will probably never go back to a meta completely free of condition builds, so subtracting the condition builds and claiming Scrapper is OP in that perspective is pointless.

2. Revenant vs Scrapper is EZ.

Scrapper has been balanced since last round of nerfs. 2v1 with all players of equal skill, the scrapper will not hold very long before they Elixir S the point away or need to stealth gyro kite, both of which lose the cap.

They cannot chase, you should not die to Elixir gun autos.

I do believe that scrappers need a change to encourage more active play from gyros other than popping them, letting them die, then reaping all the benefits. That is more of a skill floor change and needs more tweaking. But as far as damage and survivability goes, they are fine. They will never kill a Cleric Ele alone, and they will never indefinitely hold a 2v1.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

And thieves stacks incredibly well.

Did you hear that? That was the sound of what little credibility you have dying.

Zintrothen.1056:

Ignore BeepBoop, he’s a troll. Looks like his own mommy didn’t tell him he was special enough.

Because I don’t take every stupid suggestion that comes out of every topic seriously? Haha you might want to reevaluate how “srs” and “esports” this forum is bro. Then again you probably agree with OP from the other thread and think PvP is skill devoid skill spam and blobbing, but are here anyway.

Ross Biddle.2367:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Zintrothen.1056:

Don’t you mean “balance” patch?

Wut this last season has been one of the best balanced metas ever

rel•a•tive

• adj. Having pertinence or relevance; connected or related.
• adj. Considered in comparison with something else: the relative quiet of the suburbs.
• adj. Dependent on or interconnected with something else; not absolute.

ok

Regon Phoenix.8215:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

shagwell.1349:

alchemyst.2165:

Lol people are saying p/p is op now?

At this point I’m not even gonna take this seriously. What a bad red herring.

Who said op? It still needs a nerf.

If you THINK it needs a nerf (nerfing p/p, that is just a hilarious thought), you’re implying its OP.

shagwell.1349:

Sure, if you have enough vitality and toughness and you are not losing more then 60% of your hp in the burst, you may survive. How is that good gameplay?

Git gud reaction time?

Regon Phoenix.8215:

I have ever seen only 3 types of thieves:
1) Perma-evade, perma-stealth or/and unload bursters, who kills you before you even react;
2) Lying thieves, who comes into forum to lie that thieves aren’t OP as hell;
3) Bad thieves who can be killed, if you are lucky.

1. Perma evade doesn’t exist, l2p. Perma stealth doesn’t exist and if it does it costs all of the thief’s resources, l2p. P/P as a whole is garbage, l2p.
2. Thieves aren’t OP ~ former thief main, now mains Revenant
3. Maybe you’d kill more thieves if you were gud.

I smell s second-type thief.

I actually play 6 classes regularly. Thief being the second least used since HoT.

I smell a baddie stuck in emerald.

SoPP.7034:

You must be new.

Anet has done more overhauls, added more things and generally just gotten on its knees for ESL.

Now compare that to WvW (which is currently in a better state than its been in a LONG time).

Anet does too much for PvP imo.

Wtf WvW got a lot of attention…tactivators, changed PPT scoring, Desert BL (I know its poop)…Just because most of the things that came out of Anets work on WvW were bad doesn’t mean you can just ignore it and say it didn’t get attention.

Zintrothen.1056:

Don’t you mean “balance” patch?

Wut this last season has been one of the best balanced metas ever

Straegen.2938:

To my knowledge no class can build to escape a larger group and maintain dueling integrity. The closest is probably the stealth mesmer but its reset/escape is limited.

If you roam in T1, you will have to learn to “turn and burn” as well as reset fights if you want to consistently win. Otherwise a zerg will catch you, you will get +1’d into the ground or QQ (or similar) will bait you in only to have 5 guys drop out of stealth and blow you up.

Call it running if you want but if you want to survive, kill players on your terms, scout and flip camps in T1… you need to build to escape/stretch out/reset otherwise enjoy porting… a lot of porting.

huehue we famous

Zintrothen.1056:

Just ignore Beep, he’s a troll.

Do you also use this esports tactic of 5 v 1’ing points? y arent u in ESL

OP did your mommy not tell you you’re special enough?

Boldor Aran.8543:

Beep so you must be a blobber?
I think I’ll stay though, thanks for useless input.

Can’t be as useless as this topic you’ve created. “Blobbing” in PvP, lol