Guild Wars 2

James Rustler.7860:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

James Rustler.7860:

Aquachills.9013:

As soon as we got into our map on reset everyone was wondering where the ET guys were and was very excited to finally play with new people.

ET we hope you guys will come out to play and hopefully we can build some strong friendships. I know the ques suck but its only really that bad on reset nights.
Please try and get in contact with us so we can communicate the problems we may have and get them sorted out.

For the record, we weren’t being intentionally antisocial. We tried to get in, queued for one of the BLs as soon as it opened, but I only know of one person that actually made it. I think most of us gave up around midnight.

Needless to say, everyone (that was talking on TS) is pretty mad at Anet for essentially robbing us of a reset night. That’s the best night down in T8, IMO. No queues at all, but plenty of people to kill. Think they need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a plan that accounts for population spikes without shutting people out.

Is that what you all were worried about? That in T8 reset night is the only alive night? Trust me bro, you’ll have people to kill all week. T1 weekdays will be better than your T8 reset.

I think you’ve misunderstood. Just trying to provide context into what we’re used to in T8 (and why a lot of us are there). We’re used to being able to move freely between maps, even at peak population. What worries me is that I don’t think we’ll ever have that level of freedom under these beta matchups—EB, at least, will always be queued, and I’m not okay with that. The guild I’m in spent some time on a T4 server before moving back to ET, with constant EB queues being a major factor in the decision. And now here we are, forced into T1, unable to even play on what’s usually the guild’s best night of the week. (To be clear, I don’t blame BG for this, and I don’t think anyone on ET does. I blame Anet’s implementation of world linking.)

I mean, EB queue is 11 in the middle of Saturday afternoon. If that’s really unbearable idk what to tell you. This is what WvW SHOULD look like when its not dead.

Solo, rev kinda sucks. Stealth is like mandatory for solo roaming these days.

Group play, PvP meta Invocation rev is great IMO, been using it for weeks. Many viable runes, Strength, Hoelbrak, Scrapper, Leadership, Durability etc.

James Rustler.7860:

Aquachills.9013:

As soon as we got into our map on reset everyone was wondering where the ET guys were and was very excited to finally play with new people.

ET we hope you guys will come out to play and hopefully we can build some strong friendships. I know the ques suck but its only really that bad on reset nights.
Please try and get in contact with us so we can communicate the problems we may have and get them sorted out.

For the record, we weren’t being intentionally antisocial. We tried to get in, queued for one of the BLs as soon as it opened, but I only know of one person that actually made it. I think most of us gave up around midnight.

Needless to say, everyone (that was talking on TS) is pretty mad at Anet for essentially robbing us of a reset night. That’s the best night down in T8, IMO. No queues at all, but plenty of people to kill. Think they need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a plan that accounts for population spikes without shutting people out.

Is that what you all were worried about? That in T8 reset night is the only alive night? Trust me bro, you’ll have people to kill all week. T1 weekdays will be better than your T8 reset.

First of all, last night was VERY atypical. We went from usual 30 on EBG and no queue anywhere else to 150 EBG and 80 everywhere else. I queued at 80 (my fault for not being ready in Lion’s Arch for reset) and got in maybe an hour later, meanwhile I just hung out with guildies in TS and mashed faces with YB in OS. It is NOT that bad usually, yesterday was just a special night. Stop complaining and watch the queues settle down.

Archon.6480:

Ellie.5913:

Rev doesn’t seem very powerful at all to me, I’ve been soloing then with my warrior using nothing but a long bow.

Ha, ha! I think that’s the point. They fall pretty fast to Sw/T – A/D, but they deserve it for having such broken OP abilities. I can’t begin to tell you how frustrating it is to be pulled out of your well timed evasive skill by some noob who pressed 5 on rev staff at the wrong time. How is it skill when you can’t evade?

Evade into the rev or to the side, not backwards. This is not a hard attack to dodge once you see it coming, and revs often make it VERY obvious.

Ithilwen.1529:

Broken, what can I say?

You’re dead wrong on that, as any long term Mesmer can tell you. I remember when a warrior could take me out with two button presses. ( a pommel bash stun > 100 blades = dead Mesmer 98% of the time. ) Not only that, there healing signet would face tank any dps I could output. Necro was a similar matchup. Thieves long considered a Mesmer free lunch. It was quite literally a near certain kill for the thief.

Mesmer was UP for years, so much so that it was acknowledged even here on forum.

I’m guessing you are relatively new to the game?

Lol Portal has made mesmer very relevant for the life of the game. Mesmer + Thief combo was popular for a while.

glorius.1235:

Dahkeus.8243:

So, here’s my 2 copper:

If you want to play the role of +1, you’ll generally pull that off more effectively with a D/P build. S/D can +1 as well, but it’s more of a brawler type build that sacrifices burst for the ability to survive a messier fight and strip boons. D/P, on the other hand, will jump in a fight with more burst and excels at quickly downing a low HP target or at least shutting it down with stuns.

My biggest grief with Dagger main hand is that I find it hard to land Backstabs in the chaos of a team fight.
There is just so many particle effects flying around that I literally don’t see if the enemy shows me his back or not. This results in missed Backstabs, however, I’m sure that here the problem is with me.
On the other hand the #5 + #2 combo for stealth feels clunky and slow – it can be seen from a mile away unless I stack stealth, but then I run out of ini and bet everything on that Backstab, which I’m not particularly good at landing…* sigh *…

CnD into Backstab feels much more “fluid”, but there we have the problem with off hand dagger not being that good, especially compared to Pistol’s Head Shot
It just feels like Dagger main hand is not suited for my taste :/

…which is a shame as it seems Dagger main hand is the weapon to use given the current spot of Thief in the meta…

Backstab is more of a play style than the best tactic these days. Just shadowshow → autos xD

Jeez it’s reset on the night of a special patch. These queues are NOT typical on BG. Last few months typical reset is maybe 30 queue on EBG and that’s it. Get a grip.

Regon Phoenix.8215:

Real question is: what are we going to do with thieves?

Dodge non-stop, +20k damage in 2 sec, perma-stealth, unlimited mobility, and these are just main problems.

U srs?

Pyriall.1683:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Pyriall.1683:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Pyriall.1683:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Give us cleanse and I’ll happily give up some damage

No you won’t, because you do. You have two legends that can handle conditions, but you don’t run them because you don’t want to give up the damage that Glint/Shiro provide.

Mallyx is reserved for condi builds which not everyone wants to run. Ventari is straight up useless and suggesting to replace either Shiro or Glint with it makes you look stupid.

No, your response is moronic. You said give up damage for some cleanse. You have that option now, but guess what? You don’t want to give up the damage and utility of the other two legends. Your statement should read, “I want to keep all of the damage and utility of Shiro/Glint AND want cleanses”. Just because you don’t want to play it, don’t say it isn’t available to you.

Why don’t you show us how viable Ventari is?

Hey superstar…did anyone say it was viable? You quite plainly said you would give up some damage for cleanses. You have the option, but you’re not willing to give up the damage for the cleanses.

I will give up damage for cleanses. I will not give up viability for cleanses, which I should not even have to say. It is a basic assumption that viability comes first. Learn the kittening difference and quit being dense.

Pyriall.1683:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Pyriall.1683:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Give us cleanse and I’ll happily give up some damage

No you won’t, because you do. You have two legends that can handle conditions, but you don’t run them because you don’t want to give up the damage that Glint/Shiro provide.

Mallyx is reserved for condi builds which not everyone wants to run. Ventari is straight up useless and suggesting to replace either Shiro or Glint with it makes you look stupid.

No, your response is moronic. You said give up damage for some cleanse. You have that option now, but guess what? You don’t want to give up the damage and utility of the other two legends. Your statement should read, “I want to keep all of the damage and utility of Shiro/Glint AND want cleanses”. Just because you don’t want to play it, don’t say it isn’t available to you.

Why don’t you show us how viable Ventari is?

Pyriall.1683:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Give us cleanse and I’ll happily give up some damage

No you won’t, because you do. You have two legends that can handle conditions, but you don’t run them because you don’t want to give up the damage that Glint/Shiro provide.

Mallyx is reserved for condi builds which not everyone wants to run. Ventari is straight up useless and suggesting to replace either Shiro or Glint with it makes you look stupid.

Give us cleanse and I’ll happily give up some damage

Its not a bug its a feature

Weakness – 25% chance of conditions not being applied.

Infuse Light (essentially Warrior’s Defiant Stance) OP? L2StowWeapon.

Ithilwen.1529:

The personal attack on my gameplay is meaningless.

Helseth is a strong Mesmer. Your statement implies that an Anet employee is by virtue of working at the company a strong player. I dispute that. Your comment isn’t relevant.

As to Moa being “supposed” to be nerfed; Is it possible that paid players are given scripted comments to make?

I maintain that the decisions made are good ones.

I never put anywhere that the Anet employee is good lol? In fact, I have not met one remotely skilled. I mentioned that because Helseth literally stops mid fight after the Moa, and types “YOU COULD HAVE NERFED THIS BUT DECIDED NOT TO”.

Oh man scripted comments, now we’re in conspiracy land.

I mentioned your gameplay because that is your point of view. And it is not a valuable one when it comes to balancing this game. I for one would like to see Moa Confusion Torment bot gone and Power Shatter Mesmer make a return.

Ithilwen.1529:

Given what I’ve seen of Mesmer, I believe ANET has made good decisions with respect to my favorite class.

Mesmer has nothing approaching the sustain or damage of Last Season’s Scrapper, Necro or Ele.

Yes, we have one count them one skill that is strong. Moa is dodgeable, blockable and very obvious with a long cast. If you get hammered with moa it is genuinely deserved.

You’re talking about one of the squishiest classes in the game and claiming it’s unfair that in return we get a strong attack.

In my opinion this truly is a learn to play issue.

Meanwhile high tier mesmers like Helseth agree that Moa was supposed to be nerfed this round. Then again we’ve all seen what your gameplay looks like…

Edit: See 30:45 of this https://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/61631445 to see Lord Helseth Moa’ing an Anet employee.

good

sinject.4607:

Booms.3952:

sinject.4607:

1. fight dh
2. dh pops Hunter’s Ward or Dragons Maw
3. try to teleport out
4. cant dodge + teleport because the tight AoE perimeter knocks you down on dodge roll start up
5. cant damage, cc or otherwise interact with dh thanks to Shield of Courage/1000 sources of Aegis/trap daze/Heavy Light/Spear of Justice/trap blind
6. teleport out because it’s only option
7. knocked down
8. teleport out also hit you for 2/5 of your HP thanks to Test of Faith
9. eat True Shot while still knocked down
10. enter downstate or wait approx. half a second to get auto’d once and die.

dh had too many ridiculously “kitten ed if you do kitten ed if you dont” situations for too many professions, especially in conquest due to the value it creates in on-point pressure.

dude, im really sorry about your mental illness is there anything i can do for you man?
cheers.

Sorry about being on a pro league team whose most notable achievement is rage quitting mid-game lmao.

ayy lmao

Biggest buff to thief was the nerf to DH LB 5.

Espidow.1729:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

mysterion.1276:

Espidow.1729:

Thanks for the tip but I’m looking for advice of how to fight in a 1v1 scenario vs each class not about how to play in general, but again, I thank you for the tip.

You should never 1v1 as thief unless you have no other choice.

The problem with that stupid mentality is that people start to belive it, and how are thief players going to get better if that is all they think of ?

It’s not dueling or team deathmatch, it’s conquest. There are far better ways for a thief to get better and contribute than trying hard to fit other roles.

I know that conquest is not based on how many people can you kill but when I play Thief I feel like mostly every time I encounter someone alone I have to run away that’s why I wanted to know tips about 1v1 since in team fights things are more chaotic and I know more or less what to do in them.

Is the point neutral/owned by your team? What class is the enemy? Are they fresh, or did they just come out of a fight?

If the point is owned by the enemy team don’t waste your time.

Class matchups can vary per person. If the enemy still has half HP from a previous fight, use that opportunity.

Half of thief is knowing where to be, the other half is knowing when/how to blow people up.

Bianca.8943:

why yet there’s still complaints about mesmer needing to be nerfed even more. Have people just forgotten how hard they got hammered last patch out of all the classes?

Yawn. Hammered so hard that they’re still meta, and considered a class that carries by many in S2. Meanwhile Guardian, Warrior, and Thief are still on the bench.

Fat Disgrace.4275:

mysterion.1276:

Espidow.1729:

Thanks for the tip but I’m looking for advice of how to fight in a 1v1 scenario vs each class not about how to play in general, but again, I thank you for the tip.

You should never 1v1 as thief unless you have no other choice.

The problem with that stupid mentality is that people start to belive it, and how are thief players going to get better if that is all they think of ?

It’s not dueling or team deathmatch, it’s conquest. There are far better ways for a thief to get better and contribute than trying hard to fit other roles.

Of course it’s not fair. Anet has shown that they don’t care when they took away Solo Q. However, unlike S1, this past season was more “fair” in dealing with premades IMO. Pretty sure premades got a small bump in MMR, or maybe the premades I was in weren’t as good as I thought they were lol.

Seriously, can we implement SOME kind of matchmaking and remove the kittenter maps? Or just enable ranked but disable leagues?

Equilibrium 2 stronk, forget the opportunity cost of 50 energy.

Archon.6480:

Clearly, unskilled players make it too legendary. I mean, you made it, and you clearly flame your teammates, instead of just adapting. Don’t get me wrong, we all know the current matchmaking system can make anyone want to put their fist through the monitor. If you queue at the wrong time there is NO HOPE to win. We all know this season is a bigger fail that S1.

When one guy is the only one not on the same page with the team and is constantly dying 2 v 1 in a position that is the worst place to be for his class, who is really failing at adapting?

Lol @ all the people assuming he did a competent job. How long do you think a lone necro can handle focus? About 5 seconds? While the enemy holds the point still (no decap) and then he sits out for 15 seconds after dying?

Stay in emerald kiddos

Edit: and just adding necro is THE WORST class to do this. I get the harass far strategy. I don’t get why the slowest moving and least peelable class would do it.

I am shocked that this hot join logic still exists in Legendary. From a necro far hero-ing all game.

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Cynz.9437:

Been like this since HoT came out, say hello to revs. I saw backstab and heartseeker hitting for 10 dmg lol.

EremiteAngel.9765:

is evis still undodgeable?

Are we playing same game?

Been a known bug for a while now.

i never had issues dodging it

Cynz.9437:

Been like this since HoT came out, say hello to revs. I saw backstab and heartseeker hitting for 10 dmg lol.

EremiteAngel.9765:

is evis still undodgeable?

Are we playing same game?

Been a known bug for a while now.

Kirochique.9186:

Thieves can’t 1v1? Buddy. The only thing I can’t 1v1 is a diamond skin ele.
Thieves shouldn’t be in team fights? Buddy… I hope the other team focuses me, cause they won’t hit a thing, I also hope they don’t focus me cause I will eat away at them until I can dagger 5 and stomp.

So that’s how emerald is these days.

Ithilwen.1529:

I play Mesmer because I am fascinated with the concept. This is true of GW1 and GW2.
I’ve gone so far as to study the writings of Mesmer and his healing method.

When I started playing class, the huge confusion nerf had just happened. Senior Mesmers advised not even bothering to engage a warrior or necro. Damage was too poor and a warrior with stun > 100 blades was near certain death. Necros too could count on an easy kill.

I lived with being a virtually guaranteed kill for thieves. Skills like Illusionary Elasticity were broken and left broken literally for a year or more.

An anet executive complained on stream about being killed by a clone death Mesmer. That build was very much in keeping with the spirit of the GW1 Mesmer and was my favorite. It was entirely removed from the game.

I bought HoT, (twice,) on the hope that I could have fun as a Chronomancer. That has been evicerated.

So, yes I’m very defensive about Mesmer. There have been years of being trash tier. I want to be able to play my favorite class with a fair chance of winning.

-edit-

If in fact you are a strong Mesmer player; I would remind you that not everyone is. What would be a balancing setback for you might easily make the class unplayable for another.

I met a player in HoTM whom I knew from City of Heroes where he used to lead elite missions in the Rikti zone. This player is highly skilled and can jump on just about any class and do well. Yes, with him at the controls, any given class is OP. That does not however mean that class needs a nerf.

I’d urge folks to remember that normal PvP is not Pro League. Pro League players think and respond in a significantly different way. Balancing for the needs of the elite will of necessity create balance problems for the majority.

“What would be a balancing setback for you might easily make the class unplayable for another.”

Literally Thief life. The difference between a mediocre thief and a great thief is universes, and we’re supposed to care that mesmer is falling in the same hole?

“I’d urge folks to remember that normal PvP is not Pro League. Pro League players think and respond in a significantly different way. Balancing for the needs of the elite will of necessity create balance problems for the majority.”

Where do we stop and say L2P? Why do we stop at your skill level, because you’re “normal”?

Ruru.1302:

Ithilwen.1529:

I am so disgusted… I feel like vomiting. How can they talk like that? Mesmer is going to get slam hammered again.

I believe those comments were scripted by ANET .

oh yeeee this is what I WAS WAITING FOR

They were slam hammered so hard last time that they’re still meta.

Power hate 2 stronk

Ithilwen.1529:

No I can’t say that I do.. Mesmer has “a” build and 2 tricks. The Pro League isn’t really relevant to day to day play.

I don’t find Mesmer excessively “good” in comparison to reaper, rev or druid.. nor scrapper for that matter.

People really just kind of freak out about the Moa thing… but that is a learn to play issue. Even if it was not an l2p issue, it wouldn’t justify slamming an already weak class.

Yeah l2dodge the 10 second daze in the middle of all the visual garbage flying around.

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Cynz.9437:

XxsdgxX.8109:

MadVisions.4529:

MadVisions.4529:

vaxjani.9073:

What are you guys talking about, its a balanced skill. Reasonable damage, easy to interrupt…oh wait… /s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0QlyUfItUU

I can chip in too! ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O46iGZHEgSs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HvjS6Kyr8A

???
at least 3/4 cast time or riot

wait wait wait!!! i found more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqu2t8kco5A

Such animation hideing, so high casttime, wow!

EDIT:
you can guess! i found MORE!! XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soOuBknNF_M

totally counterable by human reactions Kappa

Oh look, a skill dealing damage that fast at technically point blank! Who would have thought.

Is this guy serious? Can i /faceplam ?

To be fair, he did eat those Precision Strikes at point blank. If he was attacked with it from out of melee range, there is plenty of time to avoid it.

Avoiding it wasn’t the point lol

Let me guess, the “OP” damage that is completely trash 1vX is?

There is a cooldown https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ancient_Seeds

Mid air immobilize has been around forever.

Lol @ all the people saying thieves are fine, most of them are just bad. Do you even hear yourselves? What if a year ago all the thief mains said “necro is fine, most necros are just bad”? I don’t think thief is as underpowered as some make it out to be, but get real if you honestly think you can generalize the majority of a population as being “bad” rather than looking at class balance.

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Narcarsis.5739:

Azukas.1426:

You do know that a thief can’t 1v1 any class in this meta with exception to a Reaper with hardly any life-force

Learn to play.

Caed, you’re a great player and all but it would be hard to find a player that disagrees with Azukas’ statement. Maybe it’s because the rest of us aren’t as good as you, but for the general population at large, it is a true statement.

Mirsa.1628:

I’m truly shocked by how little resistance Blackgate was able to put up while we took their defensive structure.

Congrats on the PvD.

We just had to mail you in game right?

Cynz.9437:

XxsdgxX.8109:

MadVisions.4529:

MadVisions.4529:

vaxjani.9073:

What are you guys talking about, its a balanced skill. Reasonable damage, easy to interrupt…oh wait… /s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0QlyUfItUU

I can chip in too! ^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O46iGZHEgSs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HvjS6Kyr8A

???
at least 3/4 cast time or riot

wait wait wait!!! i found more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqu2t8kco5A

Such animation hideing, so high casttime, wow!

EDIT:
you can guess! i found MORE!! XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soOuBknNF_M

totally counterable by human reactions Kappa

Oh look, a skill dealing damage that fast at technically point blank! Who would have thought.

Is this guy serious? Can i /faceplam ?

To be fair, he did eat those Precision Strikes at point blank. If he was attacked with it from out of melee range, there is plenty of time to avoid it.

Lobo Dela Noche.5127:

mulzi.8273:

Siska.8102:

YB is a boring opponent. Basically you have to drain their map of supplies, kill all their siege, get past all Anet’s cheese mechanics THEN you might get a fight. They’re like the guy in the drinking game bragging that he’s still sober at the end of the night. I’m all for sobriety but buddy pretty much missed the point or joined the wrong game. That’s YB, they’re in wvw to pve.

^this. In my experience, JQ and BL go after each other due to some pretty good fights. While these two are battling it out, YB is back capping, ‘stealth sieging’, PvD, etc.

Pointless to fight YB in this environment. When a BG zerg meets a JQ zerg, there is might stacking, pushing, healing, falling back, strategy, players actually hitting each other with class skills, etc. A fight with YB? YB sees another zerg they immediately drop 10+ siege on a choke point and siege hump, hoping to god the other team charges them. Only idiotic teams will ‘charge’ YB like that, zergs looking for fights will go elsewhere and leave YB to their PvD activities.

I can’t count how many times BQ has teamed up to take down YB. When 2 servers will not fight each other and gang up on the underdog what do you expect that underdog to do? YB came up with tactics to win against getting tag teamed. The only reason JQ and BG are fighting each other now is because neither of them want to be in third.

Can’t have a complete WvW thread without a 2v1 accusation.

Aihao.5824:

So, ok, hammer – is situational weapon, but what benefit has retribution,cuz i runnin’ with invocation (just for stunbrake+dmg)? It’s hard to refuse hammer, like this guy(

Its horrid compared to staff. It can’t handle being focused. It’s too slow to fight in smaller fights, 1 v 1, 2 v 2 etc. Staff has a 2 sec block no cast time on a 10 sec CD, 2 condi clear + small heal on 15 sec CD, and a large damage + heavy CC/Stability stripping + evade skill with almost no cast time and a 20 sec CD.

Hammer is decently offensive, granted your opponent isn’t paying attention. Defensively it’s useless.

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

dominik.9721:

pls stop comparing precision strike with true shot. neither the dh has the same survivability and mobility nor he is able to deal an additional 6k hit by swaping legends and weapons instantly.
Not to mention that the animation of true shot is much more obvious than the animation of precision strike.

Except that 6k hit by swapping legends requires the Rev to store more energy than they have when they start the fight.

Rev doesn’t have a CC “time out” box like DH does, nor does it have good ranged pressure. Let’s not talk about only one class’s toys here.

Are you seriously claiming that DH is anywhere good as rev lol? DH may be terror of lower divisions but in higher divisions they usually spend whole game at spawn point. Rev on other hand can carry game pretty hard.

P.S. and no, i never touched DH in my life (besides beta).

Don’t put words in my mouth. I said “Let’s not talk about only one class’s toys here.” If DH was better than Rev, it would be meta. But Rev is not the only bullkitten in the game.

I agree rev isn’t only overtuned crap atm. Doesn’t excuse their state though. They are one of the biggest offenders out there. But, frankly, all elites need massive nerfs.

Without Rev’s massive damage at the moment, we would go back to S1s bunk wars 2 (now with condi!). And do you REALLY trust Anet to make all of the balance changes necessary to nerf all elite specs?

Celestial amy doesn’t exist. Nobody says that rev should be only class (or rather their elite) to be nerfed. Nothing stops Anet from touching reaper, condichrono, ele nor scrapper (besides personal bias which was showing for years now).

Which goes back to my other point. Do you really trust Anet to make all of the balance changes necessary to nerf all the elite specs without kittening up in the process?

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

dominik.9721:

pls stop comparing precision strike with true shot. neither the dh has the same survivability and mobility nor he is able to deal an additional 6k hit by swaping legends and weapons instantly.
Not to mention that the animation of true shot is much more obvious than the animation of precision strike.

Except that 6k hit by swapping legends requires the Rev to store more energy than they have when they start the fight.

Rev doesn’t have a CC “time out” box like DH does, nor does it have good ranged pressure. Let’s not talk about only one class’s toys here.

Are you seriously claiming that DH is anywhere good as rev lol? DH may be terror of lower divisions but in higher divisions they usually spend whole game at spawn point. Rev on other hand can carry game pretty hard.

P.S. and no, i never touched DH in my life (besides beta).

Don’t put words in my mouth. I said “Let’s not talk about only one class’s toys here.” If DH was better than Rev, it would be meta. But Rev is not the only bullkitten in the game.

I agree rev isn’t only overtuned crap atm. Doesn’t excuse their state though. They are one of the biggest offenders out there. But, frankly, all elites need massive nerfs.

Without Rev’s massive damage at the moment, we would go back to S1s bunk wars 2 (now with condi!). And do you REALLY trust Anet to make all of the balance changes necessary to nerf all elite specs and not somehow kitten up in the process?

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

dominik.9721:

pls stop comparing precision strike with true shot. neither the dh has the same survivability and mobility nor he is able to deal an additional 6k hit by swaping legends and weapons instantly.
Not to mention that the animation of true shot is much more obvious than the animation of precision strike.

Except that 6k hit by swapping legends requires the Rev to store more energy than they have when they start the fight.

Rev doesn’t have a CC “time out” box like DH does, nor does it have good ranged pressure. Let’s not talk about only one class’s toys here.

Are you seriously claiming that DH is anywhere good as rev lol? DH may be terror of lower divisions but in higher divisions they usually spend whole game at spawn point. Rev on other hand can carry game pretty hard.

P.S. and no, i never touched DH in my life (besides beta).

Don’t put words in my mouth. I said “Let’s not talk about only one class’s toys here.” If DH was better than Rev, it would be meta. But Rev is not the only bullkitten in the game.