Guild Wars 2

Always thought that hard work and perseverance will pay off. But not now…

Not to be a jerk, but the idea that “Time Spent” somehow equals – or should be a substitute for – aptitude is an annoyingly common thought process both in gaming and in real life.

Well, try to do it with a ranger where 50% of your dps is constantly dead.

It’s possible, but yeah…you end up spending a LOT more time on Phase 2 than some other classes do.

Bring whatever vigor you can, endurance regen food, Lightning Reflexes, etc and just try to outlast her. =(

What did you expect.. to stand next to Liadri and 100b her to get a free mini?

Actually that’s almost exactly what happens if you’re a Zerker warrior….

Fix the glaring camera issues, arena placement, visibility issues etc. but DO NOT make it easier.

This. I don’t mind it being a royal pain in terms of difficulty, but I’m sick of fighting the camera in this game. I dunno why ANet can’t learn when it comes to this topic…

Yeah, ANet seems to simply NOT learn from past mistakes when it comes to things like the camera.

We’ve been telling them since beta that the camera sucks and to stop designing content that causes the real fight to be against the camera rather than the enemies. Yet it happens again and again. Liadri would be a great, fun fight if not for the camera and really, really, hard to see red pixels on the floor.

My only real complaints are the camera and the color of the circles on the floor.

This actually reminds me a lot of the Mad King jumping puzzle…it was only as challenging as it was because of how the camera would freak out at times. If you could get past that, it was a cakewalk.

Seeing one and saying “errmahgawd it haz bewbz! BOOO!” trivializes everything about it and encourages the exact perception that you are vehemently opposed to. You are quite literally the Biagio da Cesena to Anet’s Michaelangelo.

^^^ 100x this.

I just feel kind of of irritated that Anet thinks I’m so shallow as to care about a robot’s shape.

The bad news is that you’re posting about it, so you must care in some way.

The other bad news is that no one at ANet sat down and said, “Lets make something to turn the male players on.” or “Lets make something to offend female players”

So ultimately you do care, but no one at ANet set out to make you care.

Thank you Fancia for making the thread awful.

(you need so much tokens because the content is not skill based. its RNG based. thats why you need so much tokens to get all achviements…. its not fair that i have to pay much gold and some people just abused a bug and get away like so often)

People that fail think it’s RNG, people that succeed don’t. Interesting.

Mmmmmm, PvE hero tears….

Please iron out this bug, the last thing people need is more of a challenge here.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat? More challenge, please. <3

The shrine has been an important hot-spot for roleplay on Drakkar Lake, and I think on the other inofficial RP-servers as well.

All take and no give, that’s the life of the Quarry. If you want better trolling material, send us your best guilds for GvG

Go do some tPvP then with your guild. Honestly most people in WvW are just there to tool around and waste time anyway. If you and your PimpinMagYoloSwag2013 or whatever wants to be super awesome PvPers, stop zerging around in WuvWuv and hit up some tourneys, wee.

Im sorry that you have not played a ranger yet… Rangers CANNOT continiously dodge like that… At best we have Vigor+50% extra regen… That gives 2 dodges, and then at minimum, another 3 seconds before the next dodge is possible… Given optimal conditions… Given the right weapons or skills, we can get another dodge or two in, and then only have 1-2 seconds of not being able to dodge… These dodges however are highly limited in direction and range. It’s not a viable option during Salazan, so that leaves two dodges before the 3 second window of not being able to… Now, we can have a sigil that gives full energy, giving us another 2 dodges… At which point we’re still back no dodges… Now, here’s the kicker… Assuming you’re running a fully defensive build, a ranger have ~24k HP. Salazans fire, hit you twice per second for 2000-2500 damage, for 10 seconds… You have at best 4 dodges giving you 3 seconds of immunity provided you are lucky enough to not get hit inbetween the dodges, which with twice per second is very common… That’s 7 seconds to go in which you have no dodges left. That means 14 hits, at 2000 damage each, at best… That’s 28k damage… You can heal for ~9k of that resulting in a net loss of 19k damage… And that’s the first 10 seconds of the fight… Now, the luck part comes in… Because Salazan will either start throwing a couple of fireballs on you which is easily avoided, but for the most part, he’ll just throw another fire ring on you… Except this time, you have 1, perhaps 2 dodges… And you’re dead… But hey, we have more skills to consider. We can be inv for a couple of secs, so let’s add that too… Well the inv is 6 seconds. So we can actually avoid all damage from the first ring… But then we take full damage from the second ring, so it’s still a death at that point… So in essence, the only way for rangers to kill, is to kill prior to that second ring being cast… Which is, as I said before… 100% based on luck… There’s zero skill involved in that because we have no way of influencing when that is being cast…

Only 5 people defeated Liadri

half right.. All Classes can.. not all BUILDS.

Well that’s probably a given. I know everyone is still living this fantasy of “Everything works for everything” because most PvE content only asks you to AFK with auto attack on, but the reality is that if content is challenging in any way, it demands builds/gear/etc start to get more optimized.

Necromancers can’t mitigate the ridiculous damage some of these bosses put out. The class has no access to vigor, blocks or evades. You’re stuck with your two dodges and once you’re out of those you’re toast.

The class has garbage survivability.

Yeah yeah, challenge accepted. When I get home, that is.

So the TL;DR in this thread is that most people are so used to just Akitteng with auto attack on in Orr that they are completely kitten ed that they have to do something now. =)

I mean what is the issue though with the necro on this boss?

Same issue that those people would have on any class…an abundance of tears. They’d fail it on Guardian or Warrior or anything else and then blame the class to make themselves feel better.

we’re doing calculus while you’re still trying to add to 695. if you can’t see the downward trend then you’ll feel the nosedive.

Yes yes, trolly troll troll

No… It’s quite easy to understand actually… In your guild forum, you have a more intimate relationship with your fellow guildmembers, which means they have all the more reason to glorify their own achievements… No matter how difficult they found it to be, it’ll be claimed to be easy, just to look better in the eyes of their fellow guildmembers…. On the official forums however, people are not really familiar with eachother, and most arnt even on the same server and therefor lack the incentive to glorify their achievement, and thus, you’ll see a much larger degree of honesty…

Yeah, people are always so forthcoming with their faults on these boards.

Also, BRB, beating this with a necro just because I’m one of those crazy people that tries to succeed instead of ranting on the boards about how the latest jumping puzzle or fight or something is impossible.

All of this “JQ is in Tier 2 now” stuff makes me wonder….are you all just really bad with understanding numbers?

The server with the lowest coverage in a matchup ALWAYS talks about how they’re “more skilled, just smaller”.

Seriously, it’s the same every time. JQ does the same when it’s BG/SoR/JQ.

Why do we even bother with matchup threads at this point. ANet should just make one giant generic 100-page parody thread full of quality posts like:

“u blob!”

“no u blob!”

“u not haz r skillz”

“lol pvdoor”

“Here’s a screenshot of an arrow cart exploit!”

“lol blob moar”

I think that he’s trying to say the opposite,

No, he says things like this:

You are seriously braindead aren’t you. That or you just haven’t actually played as a thief yourself. If you can’t stealth stomp someone and avoid their knockdown then you don’t deserve to post on any forum about a thief becuase you clearly lack the knowledge and understand of the class to have progressed anywhere further than the starter quests.

Basically every post of his assumes that the Thief is the best player in the game and the 10 people he’s killing are all total idiots. The Thief is presumed to be able to avoid all knockbacks and such from the opposing team AND still get the stomp off before stealth wears off, but the other players are presumed to just be fumbling about not doing anything because in his analysis everything they do is wrong, so apparently they do nothing.

What I’m wondering is, why would a player post a video like this if he/she didn’t want to show off their skill?

Some people just like making videos. Some people just wanna try to share stuff with the community. Not everyone is out to create some E-Presence or something with their GW2 gameplay.

I didn’t see the video being presented as an example of “champion” or even particularly skillful play, as you seem to think it was.

Hell, he even made a point of calling it Uncut, which suggests that he knows that this particular clip is pretty rough around the edges to begin with.

Ultimately you wouldn’t even have posted if he wasn’t playing the build that he’s playing. Just let the whole Jumper thing go, already.

Honestly, Arg.

Just because your thread wasn’t as well-received as you would have liked doesn’t mean you need to go off on people for using a build that you seem to think you have some E-Rivalry with. =/

Showing a video of a terrible thief player doesn’t prove anything. Now go and watch this video where about 5 mins into the video, a P/D condition thief kills multiple people in a row and just goes stealth whenever he wants to reset any fights.

Hot new info, PvP videos tend to be “highlight reels” where the player shows a few “once in a blue moon” fights.

You can find the same kind of videos for other classes too. Look at some of the popular Mesmer PvP videos, the guys go on absurd rampages killing tons of people all because they found that “once in a blue moon” fight where the 5 people chasing them don’t know what Clones are. Or Elementalist videos where they find a pack of 5 people that don’t know how to dodge and they all get totally destroyed by a D/D opener.

Yep. Turned 100% full kitten.

This thread turned completely dumb.

One Hundred Blades bug!!!

A warrior hit me with it and I stood there and then I died! Something is wrong with this ability, I’m not a noob, I shouldn’t die to that. I really wish I could get a dev response on this.

So the TL;DR here is that you’re going to just insist that everyone that the thief is playing against are idiots and so stealth is therefore impossible to counter. (Also that Heartseeker spam is the strongest thing in the game?)

Standard fare for these forums. Carry on.

1: They can go into stealth and regenerate health, and no-one can do anything to them when they are stealthed because they don’t know where they are. I can go into a crowd and maybe take out a person or two if I’m lucky with my warrior, but that’s it, I’ll get focussed on and killed.

Really? I kill stealthed thieves all the time. It’s not hard as long as you don’t just say, “Oh, he vanished, guess I give up.”

2: They can stomp people in stealth. You can counter this argument all you like with “oh but you spam aoe spells over the downed ally”. Anyone who’s played this game and a thief for more than 5 minutes knows about that, and how to avoid it. The thief is the only character in the game who can stomp someone without anyone else knowing he’s doing it. Yes, I can be a warrior and set endure pain and stomp, or any class that has quickness and stomp, but then that’ll run out in about 5 seconds and then I’m focussed on and dead, as oppose to a theif who just, well……. restealths. There is no other class in the game which has a skill this useful, and it’s the reason why theoretically, a thief could take out a small zerg over time.

If a thief stealths to stomp, he’s still there. Again, unless you’re one of these, “Oh, he vanished, I give up.” people, you can easily just down the thief while he’s trying to stomp. There are FAR better ways to get a stomp off if you want to do it while in a group of enemies.

3: They are the only class with no cooldowns on their skills. Yes, thieves have initiative which is their “cooldown”, but that doesn’t mean they have cooldowns on any particular skill. Let’s take heartseeker, one of the hardest hitting skills in the game, which automatically takes you too the target. This can be repeated 3 or 4 times in a row with no restriction, yes you run out of initiative to use your other weapon skills, but then you have your utilities to get out of the way. Let’s compare this again to a warrior for example (thief and warrior are my main characters). The thief’s spammability of heartseeker is the equivalent of the warrior being able to spam bull’s charge/100 blades 4 times in a row without a cooldown. In fact heartseeker is better than that, becuase it does the damage instantly as oppose to being rooted with 100 blades.

Heartseeker is not “one of the hardest hitting skills in the game”. That right there makes your entire argument pretty silly.

There is absolutely no other class in the game who can run in to a group of 10+ people, kill some of them and escape alive. If I’m mistaken, please link me to a youtube video so I can roll that class.

Thieves can’t do that, either. At least not reasonably. Sure, sometimes a Thief will find some braindead group of people like the OP and kill one, but in that instance any other class could have done it too.

Hell, if people are dumb enough to let one thief just run around in their group because “Oh no he went invisible, lets just give up” then I’m sure they’re also the sort that will spend 10 minutes chasing Mesmer clones around while the Mesmer kills them all. (Yeah, there’s videos of that, too)

I think this is a compliment to how tight you stack and coordination. I dont know if he knows it, but there is a solid compliment in there.

Not really a compliment or insult. Was just funny that there was pretty much one place in the whole Garrison where that mortar could hit, and they stacked on that one spot. I felt like it was just for me! <3

Oops. Sorry, ladies, left “boyfriend” out of the survey.

Arganthium.5638:

Ghostwolf.9863:

Fortus.6175:

How in the world is…………

12.5k health Staff Elementalist. Free kill.

I edited it for more accuracy.

Yeah, any other class would just demolish him, and probably even faster in many cases.

A Rifle Warrior would probably do it in one shot from range. =D

Thanks to FIRE for stacking their entire zerg tightly in the one place in JQ Garrison where my Mortar could hit you.

I had never seen number-spam like that on my screen before.

There are constructive threads in the thief forum? All I ever see is, “WAAAH STEALTH”

kitten these message boards and their clicking puzzles!

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Heeeeeey now!

1) How do you have barely over 12.5k hp? Assuming some WvW HP buffs in the mix there, too. Base for a Ele at level 80 is almost 11k. You must be running something like 30/30/0/0/10 and maybe one PVT and Valk item.

2) How did he stomp you in the middle of a zerg and not get downed himself? Do you run with an entire zerg of people as bad as yourself? How did you just not mistform away from the stomp while your zerg pounded him? Did he stealth to stomp you and everyone went, “Guess the thief just went away OH GOD WAIT NO HE STOMPED THAT GUY LETS PANIC” and then ran around freaking out while the Thief walked away?

3) If you’re going to play Glass Cannon (and glass cannon staff, at that) and crap for defensive utilities, then you’re going to get destroyed when another offensive class gets ahold of you. It doesn’t matter if it’s a thief or what, you will simply explode with those stats.

The QQ has gone on for so long because there is still something to QQ about. It is as simple as that. Once the fix it (they wont) then the QQ will die down. If you see 9 months of complaints without end obviously something is wrong.

Riiiight.

Every class in every MMO has players whining that they’re OP for the entire life of the game. It’s just how people are in MMO’s, other classes are always the “greener grass”.

Please check all that apply.

You are:

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[X] Are an Adult
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You Think Living World is too:

[ ] Hard
[ ] Time Consuming
[X] Temporary
[ ] Full of Jumping Puzzles

You are Currently Threatening to:

[ ] Quit
[ ] Uninstall
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You’re a good sport, sir!

We should make a form letter for people to fill out, because these posts always follow the same format.

Please check all that apply.

You are:

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[ ] Have Girlfriend
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You Think Living World is too:

[ ] Hard
[ ] Time Consuming
[ ] Temporary
[ ] Full of Jumping Puzzles

You are Currently Threatening to:

[ ] Quit
[ ] Uninstall
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Thank you!

That and put a cap of like 2-3 on supplies to prevent people from stacking them and waiting it out in the water…

That’s kinda the point of the game. There’s different strategies to win, and one of them is simply having all the food and not dying.

As buggy as the the kitten arrows are, I kinda hate the idea of trying to “fight it out” most of the time anyway.

(ohai swinsk)

Sometimes I also feel as if something goes wonky and suddenly someone is hitting me for way higher numbers than usual. But it’s just glass cannon specs being glass cannon specs though, not a bug or something.

Actually, the game was advertised to have a strong focus on PvP (even e-Sports) and WvW was praised as one of its core features.

Yeah, but PvEers are generally so spoiled that they start to develop the notion that everything in every game is only for them.

You’re gonna have a bad time if you think that pve/wvw/pvp are equal in this game.

Or any MMO, really.

The market has spoken before. The majority of MMO players just want the developers to churn out content that doesn’t challenge them on any level. They want a sort of tasteless, colorless gruel that keeps flowing from the developer-spigot and rewards the player for just sitting in their chair, eyes glazed and transfixed on the monitor, head slightly tipped to the side and drooling, waiting for the next Gold Medal to appear on their screen for no apparent reason.

The only thing that awakens them from this stupor is when the developers make a mistake and something challenging appears in the code. Suddenly the beast stirs and makes its way to the forums to unleash their rage upon everyone, sending the developers scurrying to rectify their error. Eventually the beast is placated, slowly shuffling back to their seat to await the next Gold Medal, heedless of the full state of their drool cup.

This is how pretty much all MMO developers see “MMO Players” now. They could create a masterpiece and risk the rage of the beast, or they could just keep churning out the gruel to keep the beast happy. High risk/low reward, or low risk/high reward. Not hard to see which they’ll pick.

This is pretty much my point. I’m glad you’re so good at the game that you don’t even think of getting to the top of the bazaar as a jumping puzzle. I’m not talking about people like you. I’m also not interested in debating the semantics of “jumping puzzle.” The way I am using it, if you have to jump around and the penalty for failing a jump is death, that’s pretty much a jumping puzzle. If it offends you to hear something so “simple” called a jumping puzzle, then please find/replace “jumping puzzle” with “tricky jumps that cause death when you miss them” in my post. The message is the same.

If that’s a “jumping puzzle” then I’m going to start calling everything a “walking puzzle”.

Why is there a walking puzzle over here?! I walked the wrong way and didn’t get to the end! I know some people are good at walking, but there’s a cliff right there, it’s a really tricky walking puzzle!

You have to do a jumping puzzle to get to the votes?

(looks at the map)

Eh? Where is that?

(looks again)

Ok, yeah, you lost me here. Not sure where this jumping puzzle is that’s required to get up there.

Unless you mean the “here’s a waterfall to show you how to use one ability, and some lightning rods to show you how to use the other” stuff?

This thread got awfully hostile awfully fast. =(