Guild Wars 2

fellyn.5083:

Burnfall.9573:

fellyn.5083:

Why do people care if a class can run away from you fast? If they are running away they can’t kill you which would just earn more complaints.

Do you think you deserve that kill and he should just stand there and let you have it or what?

would you let a criminal get away?

I’m confused how this analogy is supposed to work. Please explain.

It’s quite simple; It’s not about them running away from you fast or that they can’t kill you. It’s about them being Cowards.

If the word criminal is too harsh than i’ll replace it with the word; Coward.

As the saying goes, "Coward fight to flight, Coward fight to run, I Stay To Fight "

What would GW2 be like with trinity?

Like Guild Wars

JoxerNL.3752:

This game should have been called “Guild Warriors 2”

I prefer Guild Elitists Wars 2

fellyn.5083:

Why do people care if a class can run away from you fast? If they are running away they can’t kill you which would just earn more complaints.

Do you think you deserve that kill and he should just stand there and let you have it or what?

would you let a criminal get away?

I’m going to take some pressure of warriors, how about Elementalist being 2nd to landspeed and no balance?

Anyone who disagrees are in complete denial and i will invite Arena.net to wvw and see for themselves.

It was even mentioned that Elementalists are OP from the recent stream and somehow i believe, someone in the higher ups is keeping Elementalist OP.

And that is Unacceptable.

If they are going to bring warriors landspeed down, they might as well bring Elementalsit and Thief extreme mobilities down alltogether.

Obviously these Three Superclass are being endorsed by the higher ups, no wonder why every so-called “Balance” or “Nerf” does not effect their OverPowerdness whatsoever.

In other word, it’s all Deceptions and Manipulations from the Truth.

Enough of Favoritism!!

Warriors should be The Lead Melee and Offense Class… Nothing More

Thieves should be The Lead Evasion and Critic Class.. Nothing More

Elementalists should be The Lead Aoe and Element Buffer Class.. Nothing More

Nothing too much

Seriously, is this game an MMo or an Rpg?

I say RPG…. where there are no Balance, Diversity or Equal Treatment.
Where Super Heroes are choosen to Dictate, Control and Rule over a world; which obviously is Guild Wars 2

What else?

Which are The Favorites among their creators

Anything else that i’m missing?

Oh yea! because of them, we are continuousness Punished for not being Super Heroes.

If Guild Wars 2 continues the direction of an RPG, i might as well main these 3 Super Heroes classes and enjoy playing them for what they are and play an MMO that is an MMO

Rezzet.3614:

zerker nerf is only 10% crit damage eles will still hit for 12k plus damage with meteors guards will hit for 15-30k still with smite thieves will still hit for huge backstabs etc

gear stat nerf aint the solution its skill damage scaling

it’s pretty much common sense.

Truth is, There Is No Common Sense,

No Wonder Why

As the saying goes, "one who is without common sense, is Doomed to Fail "

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/favoritism

Favoritism- the practice of giving preferential treatment to a person or persons.

That’s right, it is called Favoritism

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Balance

Balance- To bring into or keep in equal or satisfying proportion or harmony

Balance?

Where ?

Balance Does Not FAVOR!!

Favoritism Is Not Balance!!

Guild Wars 2 centers around Favoritism and Imbalance

Surprise !!

Few minutes ago while i was checking my email, i noticed this Scam Email stating, " Guild Wars 2 Account Will Be Shut Down Inform"

PLEASE DO NOT CLICK ON LINK, THIS IS A SCAM PHISHING EMAIL NOT FROM ARENA.NET BUT BY CRIMINALS WHO WANT TO DESTROY YOUR LIFE

I really can not stand these Criminals, they should be locked in a cage with lions.

Here is what the email says (i will not write down the name of the fake email)

Again, DO NOT CLICK THE EMAIL ADDRESS -sorry for shouting, i’m just furious with these Criminals.

*We are sorry to inform you that your login account private email will be shut down or partially limited within 72 hours due to currency transactions or abnormal login. If you want to remove restrictions, please click the following link to validate:

Fake account address

“Please keep in mind that Guild Wars 2 is a global game with hundreds of thousands of players. This means that standards of behavior must be upheld. For your convenience, you can obtain more information about our rules at the address listed below”.

Fake guild wars 2 address

Guild Wars 2 Account Support Team > LIAR

Suggestion; move the scam email to your Scam or Block folder.
Suggestion 2- make sure your email password is Very Strong- I’m serious
Suggestion #3- always check the SENT folder and make sure nothing is being sent without your doing and if you notice any thing being SENT not by you, your email account has been hacked. Resolution; change you password Immediately including all password accounts in that email account.

Remember to Never respond or click any email from Arena.net in your private email account.

Seriously,

Remember, they are your enemies.

In other word, be very Careful!

Don’t give these Criminals a chance to destroy your Life

I’m Done

So instead of Punishing/Nerfing those who were Responsible and Liable for Inducing the Highest Damage and for breaking the game whenever they please; at will, they Punish Everyone?

It is like a Parent Disciplining all of their children instead of 2 for breaking the rules.

It is like having our Government putting all citizen in Jail instead of 2 for breaking the law?

It is like a company firing every workers instead of the 2 workers who for violated company policy.

It is like having a police officer writing everybody a ticket instead of the 2 person who went over the speed limit?

I find this Balance team as a whole as a big circus; where every crazy imaginary things happen.

Seriously, if you go to a circus and have a conversation with them about the REAL world; they will look at you as if you had 10 heads.

Isn’t it obvious by now this game revolves around a circus mechanism mentality?

Isn’t it obvious they’ve design a clown class called thief;

who can vanish anytime they want? wow! so magical

who can reset their game anytime? wow! how did you do that?

who can run so fast and can teleport all the time? wow! can you wait for me?

who can kill you with 1-2-3 stabs? wow! so unfair?

who can absorb every conditions while they are invisible? wow! can you teach me how to do that?

How about a clown class called warrior?

Who can do Everything without breaking a sweat? Wow! you are so Spectacular, are you a Genie? can i be like you?

After i watched the stream yesterday, it was there The Truth awoken me and exposed The Reality “behind the curtain”… that Guild Wars 2 is circus world, where every Imaginative, Fantasy and Craziness take place.

In conclusion,

What world do you favor in honor of the forefathers of Guild Wars?

A World where Justice, Truth, Liberty, Freedom, Equality, Fairness, Reality, Uniqueness, Understanding, Hope, Love, Devotion, Balance, Empathy, Compassion, Appreciation and Caring dwell?

Or

A World where Clowns, Imaginations, Fantasies, Manipulations, Lies, In Justice, Control, Greed, Deceptions, Favoritism, Hate, Slavery, Tyranny, Oppression, Pain, Suffering and Failure dwells?

Guild Wars Future is at stake,

Choose wisely

vanensang.1389:

Actually I hope that it will nerf berserker thieves. Elementalists being twohitted is hilarious. And its not a l2p issue … The whole damagebalancing in GuildWars 2 is actually a big joke.

i completely agree with you.

So….Arema.net want some love while the ranger remain in solitary confinement, for wanting to be loved

Zero Day.2594:

Burnfall.9573:

Zero Day.2594:

Burnfall.9573:

Zero Day.2594:

Burnfall.9573:

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And as a Forsaken Ranger, it would give us more reason to feel alive and loved again.

Ha! We now know his motives…
He’s having a hard time on his ranger against thieves.

1 year and 5 months+ , yes

I don’t mind you being happy, seriously i don’t

Each time i get killed by thieves, they would always dance on my innocent body

even my pet laughs at me. What’s the point of getting angry?

So you would agree that, the changes you propose and support stem from the fact you yourself are having a hard time against a thief? And you assume others are too (and yeah some are, don’t get me wrong, you’re not a lone)? So what motivates you to be so vocal about thief nerf/changes/re-designs is to ease your game play and presumably others like you out there as well?

very much yes. I mean, i don’t want to feel cheap game play but challenging. The ranger class is the only class in the game that is forced to work 10X more when fighting thieves, and that’s not right at all.

So really, in the end, it’s not about balancing the game as a whole, it’s balancing the game around you (and like minded people) and what you considering “challenging”? Is there any consideration about the thief players? Or should we just consider non-thief players?

You took advantage of me

i thought you were the good guy, now you’re turning against me?

Zero Day.2594:

Burnfall.9573:

Zero Day.2594:

Burnfall.9573:

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And as a Forsaken Ranger, it would give us more reason to feel alive and loved again.

Ha! We now know his motives…
He’s having a hard time on his ranger against thieves.

1 year and 5 months+ , yes

I don’t mind you being happy, seriously i don’t

Each time i get killed by thieves, they would always dance on my innocent body

even my pet laughs at me. What’s the point of getting angry?

So you would agree that, the changes you propose and support stem from the fact you yourself are having a hard time against a thief? And you assume others are too (and yeah some are, don’t get me wrong, you’re not a lone)? So what motivates you to be so vocal about thief nerf/changes/re-designs is to ease your game play and presumably others like you out there as well?

very much yes. I mean, i don’t want to feel cheap game play but challenging. The ranger class is the only class in the game that is forced to work 10X more when fighting thieves, and that’s not right at all.

I’m sure you understand that Arena.net plan all along to make us Rangers be easily killed by thieves.

The Truth is there; they nerfed our pets damage and range including our won mobility.

Why wouldn’t any thief take full advantage of that?

Zero Day.2594:

Burnfall.9573:

…
And as a Forsaken Ranger, it would give us more reason to feel alive and loved again.

Ha! We now know his motives…
He’s having a hard time on his ranger against thieves.

1 year and 5 months+ , yes

I don’t mind you being happy, seriously i don’t

Each time i get killed by thieves, they would always dance on my innocent body

even my pet laughs at me. What’s the point of getting angry?

Geiir.7603:

Maugetarr
That’s the best idea I’ve seen in a long time! It could actually work too. It would add way more counter play and it would be a nice buff to S/P and P/P.

If this gets enough attention I’ll add it in the OP and see what people think. So far I looks like 2 is the most hated, and after reading the discussions here I can see why it won’t work, so I’ll scratch that from the list ^^

Op, what are you doing? I had fully supported you?

Maugetarr.6823:

Burnfall.9573:

nice video OP; you played well.

One thing though, the only 2 class who find thief easy to kill are thieves and warriors.

That’s all i have to say.

He said next vids are of a ranger and engi though.

i can’t wait

I’m sure he can pull it off.

nice video OP; you played well.

One thing though, the only 2 class who find thieves easy to kill are thieves and warriors.

That’s all i have to say.

Op, i like your ideas.

Seriously i do.

I believe it would be a great start, before Arena.net redesign thief class. In fact, your ideas would greatly help make a huge contribution in their overall redesign.

I wish you were given the position to be The Lead Programmer and Designer for thief class; to put a final end to their I AM GOD class design, once and for all.

And as a Forsaken Ranger, it would give us more reason to feel alive and loved again.

Luto.1938:

If they remove the ability to stake when stealth are they also supposed to remove the ability to blackpowder > stake, or stake > shadowstep > shadowreturn > finish stake? I don’t think this should be removed and it’s not really and issue unless you didn’t see a thief go stealth to begin with. If someone is down and you see a thief go stealth you know where he is going to be, just use knock backs/fear/cc/or aoe him. Not that hard to counter stealth stomping as long as you know its happening.

Do know what’s happening when you are blindfolded?

Op, I waited 1 year for that miracle to happen and you know what? it never came. The best we can to do is to keep the pressure on Arena.net to redesign thief class. That’s the only way to rid this Unjust Treatment by them.

I read somewhere where Arena.net was afraid to balance ranger class due to ranger bots in Pve. So why can’t they separate pve and wvw to better balance our class? Isn’t it too obvious to do that? I’ve never seen a ranger bot since i’ve played wvw so what is Arena.net afraid of?

MeanCoffeeBean.2073:

Burnfall, I’ve seen you trolling other profession forums as well. Give it up.

All you do is complain about how every class is OP. I am sorry that Ranger did not get enough love in the last patch. I genuinely feel for you guys. Most of the good rangers I know are on alts now. It sucks. But seriously, stop trolling every other profession. If you are that upset, it might be a good time to step away from the game and get some perspective.

Your posting history says it all really.

MeanCoffeeBean i understand what you’re saying but i do not agree with what you’re saying.

I’m not a troll and i’m certainly not trolling every professions. I’m serious.!. Even though rangers are forsaken, I always give my strength to those who are discouraged. MeanCoffeeBean, I am a valuable player just like you and we all serve different purpose in the game. My purpose is to expose the truth, to defend those who are rejected and mistreated by this Unjust Oppressed Tyrant system and to help motivate and defend the weak.

I know the Truth

Elementalist class pretend to be weak but they are not

I know their game

The only way to end their game is to Balance them

Elementalist must be Balanced

Stale.

I know you are trying not to jeopardize your class but the truth must continue be exposed. Elementalists damage are extremely deadly compare to rangers barrage. In fact they are the hardest hitting Aoe damage class in the game. But there’s a problem? they’re gone too far.

By the way, i do believe.. Elementalist should be King of Aoe’s alongside with rangers.

continuing……..

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Barrage

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Meteor_Shower

How many have died by barrage compared to 24 meteor shower? rarely

Now, how many have died by 24 meteor shower compared to barrage? Way too many to write down

i want you to take a look at these and tell me if they remain OP and viable till this day?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Fun-WvW-Staff-Idea/first#post2519242

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/17k-Meteor-UPDATED-NEW-VIDEO/first#post3467023

Lastly,

You forgot about Diamond Skin

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Diamond_Skin

see>>

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Diamond-Skin-Too-Powerful

In conclusion,

I encourage Arena.net to deeply examine this class and Balance it.

Elementalist class has survived this long by using Manipulation to get more than what they deserve.

Elementalists class has been playing The Victim Game far too long and it is time to put an end to it once and for all.

Game Over!

Elementalists

(Warriors should be Balanced like the Lion; as King of the Jungle—Balanced as King of the Classes)-

I agree that Warriors are way OP and i understand that this class need immediate Balance.

Even myself i find this totally Ridiculous; how can a heavy armor class have Extreme Mobilities and Extreme Resistance to everything and barely can die?

Where do you ever hear a Lion (King of the Jungle), being Immune to Everything, being Extreme Powerful (OP) and having Extreme Mobilities?

How Ludicrous would it be if a Lion had mobilities Ike a cheetah?

How Ludicrous would it be if a Lion had immunity to every disease/conditions like a shark?

How Ludicrous would it be if a Lion were Invulnerable to even death …like a Tardigrades

How Ludicrous would it be if a Lion was Immortal like a God?

Whoever or Whomever created and designed the Lion, did a Great Job! in Balancing them . Especially abiding by the Nature of Balance which ask and demand that; to Balance, one must have weakness, strength and to NOT be GODS.

Here in Guild Wars 2. Arena.net “Balance” is having Eternal Life, having God Like Powers, having Everlasting Abundance and being Immortal as a GOD.

What a Total Insult and Disgrace to The Nature of Balance

(ELementalists and Mesermers; you two need to be Balanced…as for Thieves and Rangers- you two need an immediate complete Redesign)

Quells.2498:

Thieves can still shadowstep stomp….

They can do everything

noelclover.9408:

Why are Guardian Scepters still terrible with their AA?

Why can’t Guardians stick to their targets well, considering that they are built as a melee class?

Why are Warriors with the Fast Hands trait so kitten ed fun to play?

-Couldn’t help it with the last one. 183 hours into my warrior compared to 77x hours on my Guardian and I’m loving the class.

That said, I don’t really understand the OP, can someone clarify it for me please?

I’m glad you are enjoying warrior

Thought this is not about warriors or guardians but about why elementalists are given free privilege to remain Op for so long and having old viable Op build/s?

Doesn’t that seem unfair to the other classes?

Keiel.7489:

He’s probably playing the bootleg version of the game.

no thank you

I’m not a lawbreaker

JoxerNL.3752:

p.s. : why spam this three times OP?
bit kitten about something and taking your rage out on the forums?

I was editing until i realized i made 2 accidental copies

Otaur.9268:

Burnfall.9573:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVqU9-Rrack

Seriously, every Elelmentalist in my server uses this build and Arena.net clearly are aware of it so why no immediate action taken in dealing with this Op Unbalance?

Why does Meteor Shower remain OP till this day?

We does scepter/dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does D/D dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does this class mobilities remain OP till this day?

Why does this class invulnerabilities remain Op till this day?

Diamond Skin?? Seriously!!

Arena.net, why is this class allowed free privilege to remain Op till this day?

Why not follow the path of Guild Wars where Elementalist was severely balanced?

I sincerely need answers

Seriously? This is almost a year old Youtube video, we have been nerfed into the ground since then… So please try again.

Indeed 1 year old, yet no action taken by Arena.net?

So it’s ok to take action against rangers, thieves, warriors, engineers, guardians, but not the elementalists?

So please try this build and respond to me again.

Yes,

I’m Serious!!

Seriously, every Elelmentalists in my server uses this build and Arena.net clearly are aware of it so why no immediate action taken in dealing with this Op Unbalance?

Why does Meteor Shower remain OP till this day?

We does scepter/dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does D/D dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does this class mobilities remain OP till this day?

Why does this class invulnerabilities remain Op till this day?

Diamond Skin?? Seriously!!

Arena.net, why is this class allowed free privilege to remain Op till this day?

I sincerely need answers

Seriously, every Elelmentalist in my server uses this build and Arena.net clearly are aware of it so why no immediate action taken in dealing with this Op Unbalance?

Why does Meteor Shower remain OP till this day?

We does scepter/dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does D/D dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does this class mobilities remain OP till this day?

Why does this class invulnerabilities remain Op till this day?

Diamond Skin?? Seriously!!

Arena.net, why is this class allowed free privilege to remain Op till this day?

I need answers

I’m serious

Seriously, every Elelmentalist in my server uses this build and Arena.net clearly are aware of it so why no immediate action taken in dealing with this Op Unbalance?

Why does Meteor Shower remain OP till this day?

We does scepter/dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does D/D dagger remain OP till this day?

Why does this class mobilities remain OP till this day?

Why does this class invulnerabilities remain Op till this day?

Diamond Skin?? Seriously!!

Arena.net, why is this class allowed free privilege to remain Op till this day?

I need answers

I’m serious

If you are Prideful and Ego Savy; i suggest you to not reply to the Op thread; Seriously!!

LEAVE EGO AND PRIDE TO THE ELITIST SUPERIOR CLASSES

This thread is not for EGO driven Prideful Rangers players but for Humble Understanding Ranger Players, who can share and contribute the Op sufferings and hopefully encourage the Op spirit to be strong during our tribulations as rangers.

As a ranger, the only time i’m welcomed to do dungeons is with the guild i belong to, other than that, i am left in darkness by the snare of Hate by the Superior classes.

I’m constantly being reminded how much a failure i am, how much a nobody i am, how much of incapable i am, how much of a lesser being i am, how much of a unworthy class i am, all because of my identity; Ranger.

This is the only MMo where i feel i was born to die, born to suffer, born to be oppressed, born to be unjustly hated, born to be punished, born to be everyone scapegoat, born to to intentionally targeted, born to be sadistically tortured, so many many more

What crimes have we done to be treated as an Outlaw, Oppressed Class?

You crippled our soul, you crippled our life, you crippled our survival, you crippled our security, you crippled our hope, you dreams, your crippled our present, you crippled our future, you crippled our liberty, you crippled our freedom, you crippled our cries, you crippled our brokenness,….

Are you not Satisfied ?

What more do you want from us ?

You took away our Honor

You took away our Prestige

You took away our Cause

You took away our reason

You took away our Justice

You took away our Integrity

You took away our Liberty

You took away our Freedom

You took away our Existence

You took away our Life

What else is left in us ?

Don’t you understand ?

we serve no purpose anymore

no purpose at all

guanlongwucaii.3162:

burnfall pls go

I’m being Constructive and abiding by the Truth, is it too much for you?

Daerian.6523:

Burnfall.9573:

First of all, let me talk about a thing call Common Sense. Common Sense tells us that there are no way a wooden stick(daggers) can hit more damage than a metal rod(hammer, great sword, sword, axe). I end will end this part here because you intentionally refuse to understand me.

By your own logic, fire hot enought to melt steel and giant rocks from space should insta kill anyone hit by them. This is common sense. And this is why we don’t use common sense for game balance.
Unless you want t be one shoted by all elementalist from 1200 range. Oh wait, such range is too small for magic, this is common sense. There is no reason for giant rocks from space to hit only from such small range.

Burnfall.9573:

Also you are totally incorrect about Ragnarok Online, Assasin Class and Guild Wars Assassin doing more damage than Warrior Class. Again, good effort.

Yup, totally. Only one of the greatest points of Reneval in Ragnarock was nerfing Assasin Cross Deadly Poison damage to stop them from dominating WoE and PvP. But what could I say… i just played this game for 6 or 7 years.
On another note, I really love how empty fists or iron knucles of Monk deal even more damage than any Knight or Assasin blade. Common sense fails~

Burnfall.9573:

Secondly, this is my Favorite one… thief having less Survivability than a warrior and a Guardian??? Oh my!!

We are extremely sorry that you can’t play your warrior or guardian right. With little more experience in play you will be able to do it, don;t be discouraged ;-)

Burnfall.9573:

Thief have 17 high output damages traits in their trait line, why not put them at the top place?

We all welcome 30/30/30/30/30/30 builds with 10 additional Major Traits Slots and 4 weapon slots. To not talk about fact that % Traits alone don’t make DPS build, but good synergy between them and class skills.
And I’m pretty sure you have never seen perma Lava Font or Lightning Hammer Elementalist, cause then you would be here crying about their damage, not Thieves.

And your list of Guardian’s “DPS Traits” shows perfectly how do you not know anything about this class, missing on all extremely important minors or vulnerability on blind.

Of course I know about Guardian class; If you had paid attention to my posts than you would know why i did that.

Let me add this as well; thieves are a bigger threat here, not warriors"

As the saying goes, "what you can not see…. can kill you"

How many warriors have i killed with ranger? 100+
How many thieves have i killed with ranger? 0

How many warriors have died by the unseen thieves?
How many thieves have died by the visible warrior?

connieboy.9840:

Burnfall.9573:

connieboy.9840:

Burnfall.9573:

Warrior risk their lives (without having no access to Stealth whatsoever), for battle whereas Thief having access to Stealth can walk through a full army without any risks whatsoever and still survive.

Does this sound reasonable to you?

Example; how can someone not wearing any bulletproof armor (thief) and only carrying a wooden stick, can absorb every incoming bullets and still able to walk up to his enemies and kill them with a single blow?

Seriously, who came out with this Ridiculous idea and Absurd design for this class?

What kittening game are you playing? I guarantee you that if you try running through an enemy zerg, you are still going to get hit by every AOE that is being dropped.

Heimdallr.7021:

It would be nice to backup claims like with my warrior after “5 hours max i wreck faces with it”.
I could say i wreck faces after half an hour with my elementalist in pvp.

Except you never see this argument from other classes. I started a warrior the other day. First time warrior, did the PVE intro and nothing else, immediately went to the mists, copy and pasted first build I saw online, and was top scoring player in my TPVP match and won. Hmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6XUJjGTUJk

I am playing the same kittening game as you

Lol. I am sorry, I was assuming when you said “Thief having access to stealth can walk through a full army”, you meant stealthing, and walking through a full army. Not using Daggerstorm and dodge rolling through. You might as well have a Warrior pop Endure Pain and use Shield Stance and send them through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP_PygvTg8g

And check that out in comparison to your “thief killing someone with a single blow” QQ

lol it’s ok,

common… leave warriors alone already

connieboy.9840:

Burnfall.9573:

Warrior risk their lives (without having no access to Stealth whatsoever), for battle whereas Thief having access to Stealth can walk through a full army without any risks whatsoever and still survive.

Does this sound reasonable to you?

Example; how can someone not wearing any bulletproof armor (thief) and only carrying a wooden stick, can absorb every incoming bullets and still able to walk up to his enemies and kill them with a single blow?

Seriously, who came out with this Ridiculous idea and Absurd design for this class?

What kittening game are you playing? I guarantee you that if you try running through an enemy zerg, you are still going to get hit by every AOE that is being dropped.

Heimdallr.7021:

It would be nice to backup claims like with my warrior after “5 hours max i wreck faces with it”.
I could say i wreck faces after half an hour with my elementalist in pvp.

Except you never see this argument from other classes. I started a warrior the other day. First time warrior, did the PVE intro and nothing else, immediately went to the mists, copy and pasted first build I saw online, and was top scoring player in my TPVP match and won. Hmmm

I am playing the same kittening game as you

Daerian.6523:

Burnfall.9573:

Do you know who are the Tank Professions in The Holy Trinity?

Thief? Wrong answer

Warriors,, Guardians, Heavy Armor Professions?

Surprise!!

Than what is the Purpose of having Warriors, Guardians in Guild Wars 2 if a medium armor Thief class can outperform them within seconds having absolutely no risks whatsoever?

Why not make Rangers and Engineers be like Thief? Seriously why not? Don’t they all wear medium armors?

To continue……..

Well, only in Guild Wars 2 where you will find Thief Profession at best if not outperforming The Holy Trinity Tank Professions

What a Total Disgrace!!

First of all you are wrong, warrior damage is more than a thief, not the other way around. If you are talking about having the highest single damage than it’s thief. Again as i stated; where in MMo history where you will ever hear, find and see a DAGGER outputting equal or more damage than heavy set weapons?

Oh my! a wooden stick does more damage than a metal bar?

Oh my!! A dagger hits harder if not more than an Axe, Sword, Great Sword, Hammer……..

Seriously, what world are we living in?

remember! this is not a single player game but an “mmo”
remember, this is not God Of War 2 but Guild Wars 2

Only in Guild Wars 2 where God professions are look upon as being “Balanced”, “Equal” -

Where did you ever hear Gods submitting themselves to mortals or beings?

Secondly,

name those MMo’s from your claims

Remember!

-you will be held accountable for each one-

Let me think… first, there are no tanks in this game.
Second, dodging attacks is not tanking. At all. Aegis/block are much closer. Also, thief has much less survivability tha both warrior and guardian, unless you dodge/evade, which is not tanking.
Second, where in MMO daggers do more damage than heavy weapons… hmm, let me think…
Ragnarok Online, Assasin Class rules in damage over Knights and expecially Crusaders.
Guild Wars, Assasin DPS/Burst is extreme.
As far as I know, in WOW Rogues deal more damage than warriors too (or this was the case when I was playing long time ago).

Also, all your claims about “hightest damage” in this game are wrong, as Guanglai Kangyi has shown before first DPS class is ele, then mesmer, then thief, then guardian and then rest is on the very similar tier.

First of all, good effort on your part in attempting to deceive me with false information. Seriously, good effort.

First of all, let me talk about a thing call Common Sense. Common Sense tells us that there are no way a wooden stick(daggers) can hit more damage than a metal rod(hammer, great sword, sword, axe). I end will end this part here because you intentionally refuse to understand me.

As the saying goes, “without common sense, you are brain dead”

By the way… here are some homeworks for you…

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hammer
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Axe
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Daggers

Also you are totally incorrect about Ragnarok Online, Assasin Class and Guild Wars Assassin doing more damage than Warrior Class. Again, good effort.

Please read! I said Damage not Burst; 2 different meaning.

Secondly, this is my Favorite one… thief having less Survivability than a warrior and a Guardian??? Oh my!!

Where are my Stealth Thieves? i leave this one to guys.

Third of all, I am not a Follower of Guanglai Kangyi, I am a Follow of the Truth

Let’s compare Elelmentalist and Mesmers trait lines to Thief trait lines; as we know, traits are key factors in determining weapons output damage.

Elementalist Traits

Fire Magic- 6,12
Air Magic- 7,10
Earth Magic- 6
Water Magic- 4,6
Arcana- 2, 7.

Mesmers Trairs

Domination- 1, 3, 10
Dueling- 2, 11
Illusions- 1, 3

Thief Traits

Deadly Arts- 1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10
Critical Strikes- 2, 3, 5, 9, 12
Shadow Arts- 7,
Acrobatics- 2, 3
Trickery- 4, 5, 7

Where do you find Elementalist being first in high ouput damage in the trait line? They only have 9 high output damage traits in their trait lines??

Where do you find Memsers being 2nd in high output damage in the trait line? They only have 7 high output damage traits in their trait lines??

Thief have 17 high output damages traits in their trait line, why not put them at the top place?

I save this sad one for last; My Sympathy and Condolences to the Guardian

Guardian Traits-

Zeal- 4,5,7,9,11
Radiance- 10,11
Honor- 8
Virtues- 1

Once again you are incorrect.. Guardian are not in the 4th place but is tied with Elementalist in having 9 high damage trait in the trait line? What the…?. This is totally Outrageous!!

In conclusion,

I conclude the Truth

I eliminate the Untruth

Bagel.4598:

1 Word. Disappointed.

+1

Same

Sanduskel.1850:

frans.8092:

Sanduskel.1850:

frans.8092:

Sanduskel.1850:

… we should not be able to pop back into stealth once in combat. No other game allows this…..for good reasons.

While ‘other game’ arguments have no value anyway, you are, as usual, quite mistaken on the ‘facts’. Other games do allow (re-) entering stealth from combat – and have for quite some time. Not that you’d care though.

Im sorry you had to resort to personal attacks, but no, most other games, and all decent pvp games dont allow restealthing while in combat unless there are easy hard counters to permastealth. So you are misinformed.

Interesting that you’d find personal attacks in there, that sounds almost as if any statement that opposes your opinion would be seen as a personal attack.

You were, and are, wrong, in many ways. First, other games are just that, other games. They balance their classes differently, rogues/assassins may have less stealth, but more defensive abilities, or passive evasion while in stealth, or perhaps they have even more access to stealth and defensive abilities, but do less damage. They might even not exist and lack or have any abilities, or penalties you care to bring into, or leave out of the discussion, how is anyone going to show otherwise? And if they do, you just wiggle like a politician and add some vague qualification like ‘decent’ in there somewhere.

You weren’t just wrong in bringing other games into the discussion, you were also wrong about the other games, you were wrong about permastealth in other games, you were wrong about entering stealth during combat, you are wrong about (hard) counters to stealth in GW.

So, yeah, you were wrong. Again.

And why, if you think GW has such a sub-par PvP, are you still here?

Well, my experience is with daoc, Warhammer, Aion, TF2 and Wow. All had or have some combination of hard counters and/or very limited ability to enter stealth while in combat. This game has neither, hence the constant hatred for on demand perma stealth in this game. I find playing a stealth class much much easier here than in those other games.

I completely agree with you Sanduskel in fact recently last week i had 17 guild players quit the game because of this. They stated how “cheap” thief class in and how this game is based on ‘playing hide and seek’ and favoritism. They laughed on the way out.

And i laughed too… why not? as i myself am much closer to the way out than ever

Yes, it is the same thief guild i belong in and it is rapidly falling apart. In fact within each months; 3-8 thief players walks away from this game due to same theatrics and nonsense etc…

It’s either Arena.net listen to their players and make thief class worth challenging, worth playing and fun or continue to witness more and more players quitting the game.

Alongside with their Favoritism, Superiority and Elitism mindset of having God classes in the game.

By the way, i’ve been playing a lot less with my zombie ranger; (seriously, who need a dead corpse following them around?) and spending more time with other lively worthily classes.

Daerian.6523:

Burnfall.9573:

Mightymealworm.8409:

Burnfall.9573:

Quakeman.9378:

I feel the same, and this is exactly why I now refuse to play warrior. I just don’t find it fun that I don’t have to try to face-stomp everyone else; I get nothing out of it. I also feel that this accurately sums up what’ wrong w/ the warrior: it does everything too well. They heal like they’re guardians, they deal damage like they’re thieves, and they have high mobility to to it off with.

I agree with everything you said but except with 1; “they deal damage like they’re thieves”

I will say again and again, Warriors should be Master of Damage, not thief. Warriors wear heavy set armor.. resulting in more damages.

Thief in the other hand, should be Master of Mobility and Evasion; nothing more, nothing else.

Only in Guild Wars 2 where you will find these two classes being freely given God Mode status mechanics and having Full Unlimited Domination among the remaining classes and the game.

Why?

I leave that up to you to decide.

So…thief should be master of running away, avoiding combat? I suppose they could be useful as node farmers but… this IS a game about fighting, is it not?

And heavy armor effects your damage how? I suppose the wight could cause you to swing slower, but I believe that would have a detrimental effect on your momentum, decreasing the force of your blow.

The Rage with thief class; not only they are Master of running away, avoiding combat but they are also Master of Damage and Master of Survivalbitly.. seriously!!?

Warrior in the other hand with wearing Heavy Armor should be outputting Heavy Damage because once again, they are prepared for Heavy battle. They are fully equipped with axe, greatsword, hammer, mace, shield; why shouldn’t they output high damage?

Whereas thief, not equipping heavy armors with heavy weapons whatsoever, can output high damage if not close to the warrior damage?

Where in MMo history where you will ever find a class not prepared for battle is the last one to stand?

Where in MMo history will you ever find a class not wearing Heavy Armor can be Invulnerable to high damages, conditions, and survivability?

Where in MMo history will you ever see or hear a dagger can output high damage close to if more than a hammer, axe, greatsword, sword, mace and a shield?

None whatsoever

Well…………only in Guild Wars 2

Warrior risk their lives (without having no access to Stealth whatsoever), for battle whereas Thief having access to Stealth can walk through a full army without any risks whatsoever and still survive.

Does this sound reasonable to you?

Example; how can someone not wearing any bulletproof armor (thief) and only carrying a wooden stick, can absorb every incoming bullets and still able to walk up to his enemies and kill them with a single blow?

Seriously, who came out with this Ridiculous idea and Absurd design for this class?

In pretty much every MMO, because in most MMO you have armor OR damage. Light and Medium armor classes pretty much always deal more damage than Heavy armor classes.
And you know what? Compared to most MMO I had played warrior in GW2 is much, much closer to Thief DPS.

Do you know who are the Tank Professions in The Holy Trinity?

Thief? Wrong answer

Warriors,, Guardians, Heavy Armor Professions?

Surprise!!

Than what is the Purpose of having Warriors, Guardians in Guild Wars 2 if a medium armor Thief class can outperform them within seconds having absolutely no risks whatsoever?

Why not make Rangers and Engineers be like Thief? Seriously why not? Don’t they all wear medium armors?

To continue……..

Well, only in Guild Wars 2 where you will find Thief Profession at best if not outperforming The Holy Trinity Tank Professions

What a Total Disgrace!!

First of all you are wrong, warrior damage is more than a thief, not the other way around. If you are talking about having the highest single damage than it’s thief. Again as i stated; where in MMo history where you will ever hear, find and see a DAGGER outputting equal or more damage than heavy set weapons?

Oh my! a wooden stick does more damage than a metal bar?

Oh my!! A dagger hits harder if not more than an Axe, Sword, Great Sword, Hammer……..

Seriously, what world are we living in?

remember! this is not a single player game but an “mmo”
remember, this is not God Of War 2 but Guild Wars 2

Only in Guild Wars 2 where God professions are look upon as being “Balanced”, “Equal” -

Where did you ever hear Gods submitting themselves to mortals or beings?

Secondly,

name those MMo’s from your claims

Remember!

-you will be held accountable for each one-

Mightymealworm.8409:

Burnfall.9573:

Quakeman.9378:

I feel the same, and this is exactly why I now refuse to play warrior. I just don’t find it fun that I don’t have to try to face-stomp everyone else; I get nothing out of it. I also feel that this accurately sums up what’ wrong w/ the warrior: it does everything too well. They heal like they’re guardians, they deal damage like they’re thieves, and they have high mobility to to it off with.

I agree with everything you said but except with 1; “they deal damage like they’re thieves”

I will say again and again, Warriors should be Master of Damage, not thief. Warriors wear heavy set armor.. resulting in more damages.

Thief in the other hand, should be Master of Mobility and Evasion; nothing more, nothing else.

Only in Guild Wars 2 where you will find these two classes being freely given God Mode status mechanics and having Full Unlimited Domination among the remaining classes and the game.

Why?

I leave that up to you to decide.

So…thief should be master of running away, avoiding combat? I suppose they could be useful as node farmers but… this IS a game about fighting, is it not?

And heavy armor effects your damage how? I suppose the wight could cause you to swing slower, but I believe that would have a detrimental effect on your momentum, decreasing the force of your blow.

The Rage with thief class; not only they are Master of running away, avoiding combat but they are also Master of Damage and Master of Survivalbitly.. seriously!!?

Warrior in the other hand with wearing Heavy Armor should be outputting Heavy Damage because once again, they are prepared for Heavy battle. They are fully equipped with axe, greatsword, hammer, mace, shield; why shouldn’t they output high damage?

Whereas thief, not equipping heavy armors with heavy weapons whatsoever, can output high damage if not close to the warrior damage?

Where in MMo history where you will ever find a class not prepared for battle is the last one to stand?

Where in MMo history will you ever find a class not wearing Heavy Armor can be Invulnerable to high damages, conditions, and survivability?

Where in MMo history will you ever see or hear a dagger can output high damage close to if more than a hammer, axe, greatsword, sword, mace and a shield?

None whatsoever

Well…………only in Guild Wars 2

Warrior risk their lives (without having no access to Stealth whatsoever), for battle whereas Thief having access to Stealth can walk through a full army without any risks whatsoever and still survive.

Does this sound reasonable to you?

Example; how can someone not wearing any bulletproof armor (thief) and only carrying a wooden stick, can absorb every incoming bullets and still able to walk up to his enemies and kill them with a single blow?

Seriously, who came out with this Ridiculous idea and Absurd design for this class?

Quakeman.9378:

I feel the same, and this is exactly why I now refuse to play warrior. I just don’t find it fun that I don’t have to try to face-stomp everyone else; I get nothing out of it. I also feel that this accurately sums up what’ wrong w/ the warrior: it does everything too well. They heal like they’re guardians, they deal damage like they’re thieves, and they have high mobility to to it off with.

I agree with everything you said but except with 1; “they deal damage like they’re thieves”

I will say again and again, Warriors should be Master of Melee Damage, not thief. Warriors wear heavy set armor.. resulting in more damage.

Ranger should be Master of Range, Long Range Damage, Applying Condition, Applying Traps, Removing Condition, Mobility, Regeneration, and Survivability; not Warrior or Thief.

Thief in the other hand, should be Master of Mobility as well, and Evasion; nothing more, nothing else.

Only in Guild Wars 2 where you will find these two classes being freely given God Mode status mechanics and having Full Unlimited Domination among the remaining classes and the game.

Why?

I leave that up to you to decide.

Khayoss.2019:

Burnfall.9573:

can you play without stealth?

i thought so…

Sorry, do you think I’m a thief?

i realized my mistake, that’s why i deleted it.

sorry..

Op Unfortunately, this thread will soon close.

Truth-

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/suggestion-more-stealth-and-damage/first#post3465996

This also includes; any Future suggestions, ideas or recommendations in helping the ranger class improve.

The Unjust System Of Hate toward the defenseless ranger

Viking Jorun.5413:

Burnfall.9573:

frans.8092:

Burnfall.9573:

Okaishi.8320:

Sanduskel.1850:

many of us thieves think stealth is ridiculously broken in this game. the vocal few who want to preserve the status quo are who you mostly see on the forums.

Many of us thieves think you’re a silly troll who only pretends to play a thief. As a thief, I can tell you this much. Let me just say this last thing to you: people are starting to pay increasingly less attention to you, you might as well stop posting.

Okaishi that was totally rude, unjust and evil of you to say, I’m serious!! Sanduskel is not a machine, Sanduskel deserves to be treated as a human being.

Are you not human?

He didn’t say nothing about a ‘machine’, that is your idea …

Unlike Sanduskel I can’t speak for other thieves, but Okaishi’s words do seem to resonate with my thoughts, whether you like it or not.

Once again,

Being a human being is to Feel,

Being a machine is to not be Human

Sanduskel is a human being, whether you accept it or not

The point is, we’re kind of sick of the two of you claiming to be professionals on the subject of everything thief, and call for more nerfs. If you truely play thief, then this is an intervention, Burnfall. Please, try to contribute meaningful posts to the conversation, any involving thief, and perhaps people might start taking you seriously. For now you’ve ruined anyone believing a word you say without assuming that you’re trolling. Even Daecollo is a normal human being now, and he was formerly in the position you and Sanduskel are.

I am a ranger, I can never kill a thief, where is my claim of being a “Professional”?

Only Professional i am is to continually die by them.

By the way, i do have something constructive and meaningful to contribute; i defend the defenseless, oppress and those who are treated unjustly.

I support those who treat others as a human being.

I appose those who robs the Freedom and Liberty of those who refuse to be treated as a machine.

for once….

Leave the innocent to his thoughts

Leave the innocent to his reasons

Leave the innocent to his ways

Leave the innocent to his beliefs

Leave the innocent to himself

In return,

all Sanduskel ever asked for,

is to be treated a Human Being

In support to the Op, i took my necromancer to wvw and was 1vs1 with an elementalist, i asked myself, why not 1 drop of damage?

I even had party members who came to my aid to burst that elementalist with their conditions, again, no damage whatsoever.

There’s even a thread about their aoe’kittenting all the way inside of a keep, preventing players from defending their keep.

Seriously, we need the balance team from guild war 1 back or a new balance team who do not practice Elitism and Favoritism.

We are very tired of it.

Enough! is Enough!

frans.8092:

Burnfall.9573:

Okaishi.8320:

Sanduskel.1850:

many of us thieves think stealth is ridiculously broken in this game. the vocal few who want to preserve the status quo are who you mostly see on the forums.

Many of us thieves think you’re a silly troll who only pretends to play a thief. As a thief, I can tell you this much. Let me just say this last thing to you: people are starting to pay increasingly less attention to you, you might as well stop posting.

Okaishi that was totally rude, unjust and evil of you to say, I’m serious!! Sanduskel is not a machine, Sanduskel deserves to be treated as a human being.

Are you not human?

He didn’t say nothing about a ‘machine’, that is your idea …

Unlike Sanduskel I can’t speak for other thieves, but Okaishi’s words do seem to resonate with my thoughts, whether you like it or not.

Once again,

Being a human being is to Feel,

Being a machine is to not be Human

Sanduskel is a human being, whether you accept it or not