Guild Wars 2

Okaishi.8320:

Sanduskel.1850:

many of us thieves think stealth is ridiculously broken in this game. the vocal few who want to preserve the status quo are who you mostly see on the forums.

Many of us thieves think you’re a silly troll who only pretends to play a thief. As a thief, I can tell you this much. Let me just say this last thing to you: people are starting to pay increasingly less attention to you, you might as well stop posting.

Okaishi that was totally rude, unjust and evil of you to say, I’m serious!! Sanduskel is not a machine, Sanduskel deserves to be treated as a human being.

Are you not human?

Wanderer.3248:

johnnymiller.5968:

So you take away the ability for the attacking side to aoe the wall which of course provides a massive advantage to the defending side as they can sit on the wall doing lots of aoe damage as well as all the damage from ac’s, ballista’s etc. Then people come here complaining about how impossible it is for the attacking side. If any player should be able to aoe a wall it should be a ranger considering they carry a long bow.

Ranger bows are one of the worst weapons on walls (as attacker or defender). Axe usually works better than bow.

before making false accusation, take another good look and show me where do you see rangers arrows?

Hint’- warriors arrows aoe’s are Red including Elelmentalist Meteor Shower plus Fire Grab

You mean…

What happened to the Truth?

What Truth?

Now i know why hackers feel Justified

Why discipline them for their violations when violation like this including many other are permitted and supported?

Quite Hypocritical, wouldn’t you say?

“Whatever you condemn, you have done yourself”

Pretty much that’s how i see it

1 Year later; same class, same mechanic, same design, same architecture, same programming, same code, same everything, are given full license and privilege to use the C word freely at any given time, at any given moment; without having no consequence or having no disciplinary correction whatsoever.

In better themselves, they are given full Justification, Reward, Power, Control and Protection to inflict it to anyone who dare stand in their way.

And to the Good Citizen who dare speak, mention and expose them of using the C word, are quickly sent to the lunatic asylum.

so… I bring to you the C Word; Cheating

shhh

don’t let them hear you

or

you’ll to end up here like me

Prysin.8542:

Shadey Dancer.2907:

Live long and prosper!

how can he live long when you killed him?

Any class that can survive 10 minutes with 5+ people chasing them without dying is, Immortal

Op, speak the Truth

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Warrior-Usain-Bolt/page/6#post3452465

Sanduskel.1850:

Lol. As many of us have been saying…..easily done.

lol

Seriously, how many times do you see a ranger take out multitude of players in wvw?

Almost to NONE

Now let me ask you this, how many times have you seen a thief take out multitude of players in wvw?

ALWAYS

To those who want to jeopardize ranger class being OP in wvw, show me all the threads and Posts about Rangers being OP in wvw?

Seriously, I would LOVE to see them…

by the way, it should be at the same count as the thief, well because, we both are OP in group fights?

Right??

They both are design horribly and need some serious immediate rework.

Of course!! that’s a lie

Because according to __ , they are in Perfect shape; in other word, it’s not worth complaining anymore

It’s obvious,

1 year later; one is born to live forever and one is born to die forever.

I’m sure “it doesn’t take a rocket science” to know which one it is.

-some people actually believe the Earth is flat-

NemesiS.6749:

lol i remember, i played wow when hunters sucked, to be honest i stopped playing just before lich king arrival so i never saw the new changes to ranger and such, not many of them. But yea the Hunter forums were full of complains, riots, protesting and everything. Even famous rangers at the time with 2k+ arena rating protested and got banned, forgot the name of the guy. When he got banned the forums became crazy with spam and messages to free him lol, it was caos. But i think all was worth it, AoE dmg reduction (i played at that time and did saw that change) were very nice, dont know why Anet cant implement something similar, would probably fix a lot of wvw problems with pets and dungeons.

lol

Op, everything you stated are truthful and accurate. It is a SHAME that even a new player sees how broken our pets are.

Now… all I’m waiting for is someone to call you a Liar and delusional, for seeing the truth.

Op, here is a list of our unjustified intentional punishable nerfs by Arena.net; all in the name of “Balance” and for the pleasures of those who want to keep us down.

We were their Black sheep and Scapegoat Class since day 1, till this day, we remain their Black sheep and Scapegoat class.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/List-of-Nerfs

You are not alone for being victimized and abused of this False Hope scheme for the Ranger class.

In conclusion,

As the saying goes, “follow the path of Justice, run away from the path of InJustice”

Op,

You will not find Justice here.

Take Dina Van Heyr advice and don’t look back.

Seriously,

who is Surprised?

Not me

A god in action

Everything Proof.

No need to heal

No need for Anything

what a god

This game should be renamed God Wars 2

Poof!

Rangers Excluded

Lévis.5489:

kiwituatara.6053:

they cant change the pet mechanic. theyve said itd break the game.

It is what Blizzard said about Hunter pets way back in 2004, when hunters were considered the worst class in the game. Then, Blizzard actually listened to their player base and made the pets not suck.

1 Year later…..just words, words, and more empty words

“words are void without deed”

Blizzard cared to listen and took action for their player base.

and what did they merit in return?

Enrichment of Prosperities

One thing i had mentioned before is how i a ranger is so Ashame by majority of rangers in our forums who choose to remain in denial that our class is fine.

No wonder why our class remain at its state.

Well accept it!

One thing i cherish and admire lot about the OP thief class is how the majority believes “to the death” that their class aren’t OP; resulting their class to remain OP proof for ever.

As the saying goes, " Majority Rules "

My Prediction- the ranger class will continue to be Nerfed until we the majority UNITE.

So continue enjoy the “good position” our class is in, continue enjoy us being “kicked to the curve” by the Balance classes wherever we go; including Dungeons and Zerg Parties.

Also, Don’t Even Suggest Anything to Arena.net concerning our class status because, well, our class “is fine”.

What a SHAME

(This alone is enough for me to “jump ship” to The United Resistance Thief Class)

During the meantime, let us The Majority pretend this Never happened

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/List-of-Nerfs

Let us The Majority also pretend This Was Never Said, "Yes, we care about the forums. We also care about all the classes equally "

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Do-the-Devs-even/first

“ United you will be more than a match for your enemies. But if you quarrel and separate, your weakness will put you at the mercy of those who attack you ”

“ Where there is power, there is resistance ”

I agree it’s not the thieves, unfortunately the whose only whose doing this is… are the thieves.

Cufufalating.8479:

Rangers are top tier in dungeons, eiths just they need to run one specific build and do it fairly well, which 95% of people dont do, thus giving rangers a bad name in top tier dungeons thus making people reject rangers out of hand because its not for the risk.

That and also there are plenty people who dont realise rangers can and are good in dungeons if played right so they continue with the previous wisdom of “no rangers”.

All that is community problems though, not really balance problems.

Take a look and point to me, where you see rangers in this awesome zerg party…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTB1QOYEL4

(so many damage, so many defenses, so many health pool, so many stability, so many aoe ‘s… so many everything; I’m sure we and our pet can handle that)

ok

you are telling me when damage dealer master classes like warrior, guardian and thief says rangers are in bad shape and that their damage are worthless, especially their garbagge pet, are “making things up”, “don’t know what their saying” or “being delusion” or best, are lying?

Is that what i am hearing when i see LFG all zerk-no rangers…. groups?

If this is the case, i might as well let them know so they can cut us some slack and get back to reality and to start accepting us as a worthy survivable potential damage dealer class.

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

PS: I’ve been looking for 45mins for experienced zerkers for Sorrows Embrace as a ranger.
Guess how many joined…
So if everyone think that the ranger is underpowered, the must be a reason for this.

another one

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/LFG-No-Rangers/first

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Dredd Spirit Caller.4082:

thief = low hp and low armor = 3 shot death
warrior = high hp and haigh armor = 3 shot 50% life
compare worrior to thief

Thief = Stealth, Stealth and More stealth. While in stealth most of them take triats that buff them some of these include – Healing while in stealth, condition removal, 50% movement speed increase, initiative regen, 100% crit chance on first attack from stealth. While they have low health, they spam stealth every 4 seconds, not exactly easy to pin them down.

Warrior just have insane mobility, the kind of mobility that a HEAVY armor class should NOT have. They have high health, high defense skills that make them immune to damage and another that makes them immune to new conditions. They have the most Overpowered Healing Signet in the game, when you consider the fact that hardly any Warrior will actually use the healing Signet and rely on the passive, that says something about the passive…

+ 1

Very well said.

I’ve been advocating about this for a long time. This is another reason why so many quit this game all because of CHEAP CHEESY mechanics that NO OTHER mmo’s do.

Seriously,

look at the “Balance” in the game!! so Ridiculous and Pathetic.

Why bother frustrating yourself in dealing with them?

In fact, i had 37 guild members quit this week and i agreed with everything they said.

In fact also, I’ve already begun limiting my game play because of them

I will continue to say, this game is all about CONTROL and FAVORITISM.

And if you don’t fall into that category, than you will suffer their wrath until you break.

Believe me, i see it coming for me and i will be gone by than.

-Control-

Here

It’s either

You are in control

or

Be Controlled

-Favoritism-

No Proof Needed

The Truth is all around you

I will leave you with these quotes

“It’s hard to fight when the fight ain’t fair.”

“Tomorrow you promise change,
yet tomorrow is a repetition of today.”

“The truth is always an insult or a joke, lies are generally tastier.
We love them. The nature of lies is to please.
Truth has no concern for anyone’s comfort”

Svarty.8019:

… but teh stealth trap! TEH STEALTH TRAP!

lol

Buff rangers… please.

While i’m listening to everyone making valid and invalid arguments, all i’m waiting for is a complete thief class redesign/rework.

Because until than…

it will not get better

but only worse

For Everyone

Including,

Thief

Op, that was my first ranger build especially in wvw but i stopped short of using it because i constantly was being forced to use the signets just for might; which became overbearing.

I realized there were other utilities that gave me almost the same potential in addition to having life-saving/survivable. Like; ; Frost Spirit, “Quickening Zephyr”, “Lightning Reflexes”, " “Sic ’Em”, “Muddy Terrain” “Protect Me” etc…

So i changed my build to take full advantage of them without losing any damage and survival whatsoever.

Of course, with included gears, food, build etc…

Ever since the change, I’ve been doing quietly well than before.

Don’t get me wrong, i do like this awesome build; i encourage everyone to try it

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DanSH.6143:

Durzlla.6295:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

NemesiS.6749:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Bambula.3649:

NemesiS.6749:

proof no one want rangers, we neec change. lol

the pet, the bow, the signet..i even dont want you in my group

Sums up the whole thread and “issue”

:)

Anyway im not the best but no one have a problem with me been in a group and always say compliments or whatever.

Then why do you join the bads that know only to cry on forum?
The class is awesome when played correctly. End of story. Sure there might be some things that need some work, but that goes for all classes.

So much of this…. Personally I think the AI, overall, is kitten, it needs a total rework I don’t care how hard that makes PvE content it can use a difficulty increase if you ask me…

Other than that and our boring kitten utilities though I can’t think of much else we really -need-, shouts need a rework, and signet of the beast master should be made baseline (oh look, like everyone else…) but we are VERY competitive in PvP (I should know that’s where I spend most my time…)

We’re only competitive in pvp with a Spirit build. Although we could still be easily replaced by an engi.
So no, we’re not so competitive.

Lets see…
PvE side: Rangers can be very helpfull in everything if they know how to play even top lvl fracts.

PvP: Spirit rangers are awesome for tpvp, and normal spvp.

WvW: Excellent roamers (both zerker and bunker/BM), and well.. in zergs everyone has a spot… Even in zergs AoE can be great with piercing arrows.

So keep on cryin’

I encourage you to post this in the thief, warrior, guardian, mesmers forums and return here with confirmation that " we rangers are in the right spot" with them.

Also don’t forget to tell them how “Excellent” we are and how “Helpful” we are, even when we are 3 shotted dead by thieves.

During the meantime, we rangers will continue to fight for our survival and for our acceptance…. the best we can.

“ Denial does not solve the problem. Denial does not make the problem go away. Denial does not give us peace of mind, which is what we are really seeking when we engage in it. Denial is a liar. It compounds the problem, because it keeps us from seeing a solution, and taking action to resolve it ”.

So i bring the Truth to you

Today while in wvw, i was hit with 6, 323 Heartseeker and 16,935 Backstab by none other than thief.

Seriously,

how much more truth we the victim classes need to once and for all, put Thief class on trial for their merciless and barbaric crimes?

While everyone awaits, embraces, tomorrows dream….we Rangers are at war; for our existence, for our acceptance, for our survival, for our freedom, in todays dream.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

Zanshin.5379:

Thieves and mesmers should have a skill to reveal other stealthed thieves and mesmers.

Rangers have that skill. “sic’ em.” The pet will reveal those in stealth.

for 4 seconds on a 40 sec. cooldown while it takes away an important utility skill slot – I don’t think anyone feels like it’s worth it

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_%27Em%22

Also in my experience including other rangers, “sic em” only work when it want to. 70%-80% of time when i use it on a thief, the thief was still able to stealth.

Mid level Necromancer here< i was Condimancer for some time until i was inspired to be a Powermancer. I’ve never tried Wellomancer but it sound interesting though.

My experience with Condimancer was wonderful especially in wvw; i totally enjoyed seeing their condition numbers draining from my enemies until their final painful death.

So my experience with Powermancer is totally awesome!, but yet i feel empty inside. While I do appreciate Necromancers being Powermancers, i just feel more attach to Condimancer; Master of Conditions and Master of Death.

SpecterMAT.7306:

nerf engineers.

No!!

when did they ever endanger your class?

Let them be!!

Leave them alone!!

" Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are "

We rangers do not feel we belong in guild wars 2. No one can feel the deep pain, loneliness and sufferings we have felt since the first day of our birth.

We’ve all seen the LFG tool notes “no rangers” “rangers=kick” and the irony, the curse, the marks… rangers have to bear, wherever they go..

Lately, i was asked by couple new ranger players of the same subject, why are ranger class treated like an outcast? is it because they are rangers?

Immediately, i was stricken with sadness and remorse; for I a ranger, know the pain of being the outcast class.

Why outcast?

From past to present, everything we stood for and depended on, were intentionally taken from us; our range, our mobility, our strength, our cause, our freedom to adapt to any situations without being forced to, without being limited to.

Those who sworn to protect and preserve our survival, are the ones who are responsible for our maltreatment, inequality, oppression and our Injustice.

To make an example of our complete rejection and isolation, they drained our pet, our spirit life support so much that we can no longer depend on them for our own survival… They Silence our cries, our Hearts to make us a much less a capable meaningful class. they Retaliate with severe Punishments ( untended and Intentional nerfs) Their hope is to make us more vulnerable, “easy kill” to their Superior Elitist classes.

It does not end there, any minimal chance of hope for us, always return with grudge, animosity, and malice treatment.

Where Injustice hurt the most, is when all are done in the pleasure for the Superior Elite classes.

Where Injustice also hurt the most is how the Elite classes are given license to commit injustice and oppression to abuse and torture our defenseless class, whenever they please at any given time, over and over again.

All in the name of Balance.

Arena.net, this is all we ask from you;

to end your campaign of injustice and oppression against us.

to remove this merciless system against us.

Once and for all…

Give us The Justice, The Liberty we deserve.

Let us feel belong to

Let us be Rangers

SQLOwns.7316:

As long as stealth remains as it is now, this game will most likely never be balanced. Although I doubt Anet cares.

+1

Zietlogik.6208:

Adding the southern tower (1 of 3 towers)

http://youtu.be/CaLM92wfzdY

it does look exciting, can’t wait.

MFWIC.6091:

condi mesmers are pretty good but imho nothing campared to condi necros.

true, not forgetting other classes have if more, better condition than the necromancer. With all sincerity, Omaris Mortuus is correct; there is one dangerous class that “can stand to toe” with the necromancer…. that is indeed the condition mesmer.

Op, even thieves and warriors are afraid of them.. so that says a lot.

i understand, necromancer are built for conditions while giving other classes the same equal access to their same conditions.. if more. One thing to keep note also; condition is capped. It would be unjust to nerf/punish necromancer for being controlled to not over do their job.

YW.

MFWIC.6091:

Burnfall.9573:

here is my tip for fighting condition necromancer.. Close range is their strength; keep them at far range.. Always

well, never tried doing that before, will sure do next time i encounter one. thx

yw

watch

Op. i disagree with you. You mention runes and food…

All class have Equal access to them including Equal access to condition builds.

So that would make all classes Op than?

Necromancers are not even an Elite class..

Why Pick on Necromancers?

Why Punish Necromancers?

Don’t they deserve the same Rights as us?

Don’t they deserve the Freedom to be who they are?

I conclude… It is your Imagination.

Sanduskel.1850:

Zacchary.6183:

Sanduskel.1850:

We thieves are the only class that can be glass cannons and not suffer the consequences. That’s bad design.

Don’t you mean warriors?

Lol nope. Glass cannon warrior die quickly. I can easily 3 shot them with my thief.

Sanduskelis is correct, why do you think thieves hits that hard to begin with?

obviously, cause they are glass cannon.

The only class that gets away being a glass cannon is thief; not forgetting their mastery in stealth……

I agree and side with Dee Jay.

As an outcast ranger, i get killed by a thief all the time by their same set of skills- Chain Cloak and Dagger+backstab… seriously, what else? steal..
when? where?

Look at all the past and present threads concerning thief kill skills.. they are all the same.

Also Dee Jay isn’t saying that Yishis isn’t doing or leaning anything new but to the eyes of the majority and the outsiders, it is the same set of skills we’ve all been seeing….all the time.

Perhaps a different play style? but in the end, it will be the same style…. all over again. . Ex. you can color your hair blue, brown, yellow, purple, orange, gray, white, red, pink…. in the end, you still have black hair.

You can even switch the colors around….. in the end, you will still have black hair.

Predator.7321:

I don’t understand how some people don’t have 100+ gold if they have been playing since beta. I have 2000g right now and have equipped 5 characters with exotics. Game has been out for over a year if you saved 2g a week you will have 100g in savings now

“Success is a journey, not a destination.”

I don’t understand why some people are not rich; if they been saving since they were born?

Life have circumstances and treat everyone different. Some circumstances are preventable and some circumstances not preventable, Some circumstances are controllable and some circumstances are not controllable.

“Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.”

I like his videos as well.; very detailed and well spoken. Glad you thieves have an idol.

“Class balance in WvW is just fine”

“Denial does not solve the problem. Denial does not make the problem go away. Denial does not give us peace of mind, which is what we are really seeking when we engage in it. Denial is a liar. It compounds the problem, because it keeps us from seeing a solution, and taking action to resolve it”.

OP, you are not alone.

Nor will you be the last.

As long….

Favoritism Prevails.

Injustice Reigns

Oppression are Enforced

Justice is Silenced

Freedom is Suppressed

There will be no change

“There is no greater tyranny
than that which is perpetrated
under the shield of the law
and in the name of justice.”

Yargesh.4965:

Thunderbrew.7034:

Yargesh.4965:

Thunderbrew.7034:

Post should read: “Feed your kitten and post your gold so the
hackers know which accounts to go for first.”

That’s like living in the ghetto and putting a sign in your front yard
that you just bought a 65 inch plasma TV, your not home, and the doors
are unlocked.

What a sad attitude. The leader boards of any game are the target market not people talking on forums. Also the target is people they can chat up in game and show themselves to be very willing to be taken. Easier to go through the front door at the invitation of the owner, and no saying on a forum that you have x gold is not an invitation.

How long have you been gaming? This was one of the methods hackers used
in World of Warcraft.

I have been gaming for 40+ years, what has that got to do with anything? To get an account is not just to know the account name. That is why the optimal thing to do with the way security is set up is to contact the player (players on any best of list will be most often also players with something worth taking), get their trust and learn their habits. If you can get them onto a compromised site you use the info they put on that site. People are creatures of habit and the majority will use the same info even when they are told repeatedly to change it up.

If you think this is the only tactic hackers know and use; which you stated in your post, than you are sorry too late.

As the saying goes, “If there’s nothing to give, there nothing to take”

“Your mouth is your security; once you start talking, you lose everything”

Sanduskel.1850:

So easy to kill enemies on my thief. Everytime I am in trouble, poof I vanish, heal up, remove conditions and jump right back on the enemy. The enemy swings the sword into thin air. It’s a great class for wvw.

lol

For the million time;

It’s called Favoritism.

It’s nothing new.

Wait!,

It’s called Balance.

Still nothing new.

Is that all?

Yes

Again,

Still nothing new.

Sube Dai.8496:

I’d like to see Dhuum back in some form.

same here. I totally forgot about him; what a shame lol

glaphen.5230:

Burnfall.9573:

glaphen.5230:

Burnfall.9573:

Valentin.2073:

i wonder if an ele and a thief engage in a 1v1 battle, who’s gonna come out as a victor? what do you think, guys? btw, i saw a spirit ranger lose to a really good ele 1 time in soloq.

Thief vs Elementalist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0qu0fXPNc

Elementalist vs Thief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQvI4XKHd9A

In conclusion, they both are victor, as long both play well and one survives

This is the Spvp forum and Thieves are 10x stronger in WvW. First video the Thief had food and tuning crystal with perplexity runes against an Elementalist who didn’t.

whose side you are on?

Neither since I’m pointing out Spvp and WvW are completely different.

Spvp or WvW, Food or no Food, you can agree that both Thief and Elementalist are Excellent 1v1 class than.

And being Victor, lies in the hand of the player who plays them well.

glaphen.5230:

Burnfall.9573:

Valentin.2073:

i wonder if an ele and a thief engage in a 1v1 battle, who’s gonna come out as a victor? what do you think, guys? btw, i saw a spirit ranger lose to a really good ele 1 time in soloq.

Thief vs Elementalist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0qu0fXPNc

Elementalist vs Thief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQvI4XKHd9A

In conclusion, they both are victor, as long both play well and one survives

This is the Spvp forum and Thieves are 10x stronger in WvW. First video the Thief had food and tuning crystal with perplexity runes against an Elementalist who didn’t.

whose side you are on?

Protoavis.9107:

well now hackers know which accounts are worth trying to break in to

no need to defend yourself.

that’s what i said earlier, i’m glad you didn’t fall into the trap.

It’s like being asked how much money you have in your bank; even though it is secured, criminals are very smart, they can find ways to force you to give everything you have.

I’m serious.

Interesting enough, i bumped into this article not too long ago; not only i was amazed but very surprised by the seriousness of this punishment/behavioral system to keep the game community peaceful and fun.

Would it be something Arena.net would want to implement in the present or near future? in addition to curb bad behaviors in guild wars 2?

K, enough talk…. here is the article; i edited out some parts…
——————————————————————————————————————————-

Mmo company "introduces new punishment system in China to curb players’ bad behavior.

C. Custer, MMo company, " is rolling out a new system that’s designed to keep ** players from ruining the fun for everyone else.

The old system — account bans — remains in place but soon, Chinese players may also find themselves “silenced”. Silenced players will be incapable of any kind of game-wide communication, and communication with teammates will be limited. This punishment will persist for a set number of games, and then be removed if the players are friendly towards their teammates during this time. If they continue to be negative, the “silenced” punishment can continue indefinitely or eventually lead to an account ban.

http://www.gamesinasia.com/league-of-legends-introduces-new-punishment-system-in-china-to-curb-players-bad-behavior/

Your thoughts…

Valentin.2073:

thanks for that video, burnfall.

you are welcome, Valentin