Guild Wars 2

The moment where Anet will finally make a interesing stuff and not dps race we have seen in raids etc..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imdkPyXteGY

I know. Wont happen for obvious reasons.

BunjiKugashira.9754:

Burtnik.5218:

Phoenix the One.4071:

Or teleport to target and then drag then back through the mist

“No valid path” as i said. It should pull like engi magnet and that is.

Since it returns you (and your target) to the position you stood when activating the skill it could ignore valid path to target like hammer 3.

So basically a leap which may take a while to land or simply miss on uneven terrain like hammer 3 cus bugs. Nah i think simple pull is all we need. Most of our skills are already bugged and affected by terrain. No need to add more

Phoenix the One.4071:

Burtnik.5218:

Retsuko.2035:

Also the rev in general needs a nerf. It currently takes no skill to play the class succesfully.

Yep, obviously. Thats why i see olny a few revs in pvp while everyone and their mom runs condi reaper and dh.

DH gonna be nerfed.. I consider running alot spvp with dh before the nerf.. Well anyhow still a teameffort.

The point is fotm rerollers pick up easier to play yet efective class. We had a lot of revs on launch in pvp and most of them disappeared within few days for some reason

Howered i consider herald to be too easy to play compared to base rev.

Retsuko.2035:

Also the rev in general needs a nerf. It currently takes no skill to play the class succesfully.

Yep, obviously. Thats why i see olny a few revs in pvp while everyone and their mom runs condi reaper and dh.

Phoenix the One.4071:

Or teleport to target and then drag then back through the mist

“No valid path” as i said. It should pull like engi magnet and that is.

I dont even use ua in pve. It often bugs out and cancel itself on new maps for no reason.

So how about we tone it down to 2sec already? …
8sec of slow is not fun by any means. Thats basically 50% slow uptime.

Tbh i would like to see energy increase on CoR to 10-15 but
remove cd completely or keep it as it is

Give berserker mode longer cd (30 as you can trait it for 24) and unlink it connection to adrenaline.. Then give 50% dmg reduction during berserk mode to both power and condi dmg. Yeah that would be gut.

Just lets compare amount of contest added with HoT to other expansions from different games. It doesnt matter from what point we will look, HoT is kitten small and doesnt deserve to be called expansion. I just hope we will see more maps soon with “true ls3”. Cant imagine running like an idiot on current new maps when we take a look how the story ended. I hope legendary sword/hammer and armors are good..they better be.

glehmann.9586:

Activating Ventari’s legend: “Together we shall gallop.”
Moving his tablet with skill 6: “We must renew ourselves.”
Using his elite skill: “None may harm you while I am here.”

In addition to the usual grunting.

Never hear that in my life lol. Do you know dialogues for rest?

Shackling Wave – Increase immo to 2,5s, increase damage by 150% to match other counterattack skills

Grasping Shadow – Just change it to a simple pull. Shadowstep to pull was an idea floating around but there would still be too many troubles with that due to “no valid path”. Pulling in a melee range makes no sense and if anything its quite confusing sometimes depending on the area. I rather have knockdown at this point if it has to stay as melee attack.
We had that nice looking projectile on auto..it could be used as a line between us and the target were about to pull.

Ps. revert 34% dmg nerf on precision strike, buff the projectile speed a little and..new sword aa animation for first and second strike please!

Guys..hammer is not even considered to be meta and you asking for it to be nerfed already. Something which is pure l2p issue tbh.

And ZvZ? How one would even try to make an argument about some skill being op there when its one huge aoe mess?

Ventari has olny 1 dialog line. Rest is uhh ahhh. I dont know what they doing in the mists but for sure they must have fun.

jportell.2197:

Was trying out Rev to see how I liked it. Apparently sword three tracks targets THROUGH portals.

Obviously a bug.

I hope it gets fixed soon.

Except its not a bug. But hey, you could use it as advantage. Let rev teleport with ya, go back as he finish UA and laugh. Free decap.

Hahahahaha. Yeah lets destroy revenant mr “balance”. You know revenant is not even considered to be strongest class let it be teamfight or 1v1 right? Yet you asking for some serious nerfs for no reason at all. I guess someone need to git gut.

Ah btw..in duels rev is rated to be a middle class. In teamfights he struggle as well, you can watch tourneys to see yourself. So what you really want to nerf? Tell me which class you play?

vana.5467:

Burtnik.5218:

but we cant do boom rip 17k hp in one combo likr shatter mes right?

Right. A single skill technically doesn’t count as a combo..

Now provide full ss, gear, your might stacks, vul on opponent, traits etc. Abusing cruel to prove your point is low. On top of that its wvw with gear imbalance. CoR is also something you can strafe from that range and something you can see from miles away. Meanwhile can you see stealth attacks? Well not really.

I will borrow one screenshot (hope he dont mind) that was put in this forum, which is basically impossible to see coming yet its also in spvp. One can olny imagine it power in wvw. That thing has 4cd or so.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/thief-vault/first#post5761040

Rev has high sustained damage but weak burst. Thats what makes him balanced.
Sure, we hit hard over time, but we cant do boom rip 17k hp in one combo likr shatter mes right? Or proc all traps off at same time and nuke someone in a second like dh.

Cleave on UA is not needed tho. A bit more control over it howered..

Bug bug and bump

Thx for a vid which shows the bug i talked about on CoR. 0;17 where it fails to aim for no reason.

Inverse.2967:

i have “done” this event many times

Hey, wheres my invite for your organized guild run? Been waiting over 6 days already. Yeah..nowhere.

Cyninja.2954:

Because they can do just about everything else and giving them reflect would mean arenanet could remove the other 8 classes from the game maybe?

How so? There is tons of thing revenant can do/others do better. I mean can you aoe stealth like scrapper/thief? Can you heal like druid? Provide aoe stab like guardian? Hm..nope

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

Burtnik.5218:

Someone can explain it with good reason?

Sword 4, Shield 5, Staff 3, Hammer 4, Sword 3. That’s why .

Thats not really a good reason. DD has tons of evades as well with reflect on autoatk.

Someone can explain it with good reason?

Glint elite cause huge fps drop in some areas like Foefire map.Yet in others its fine. Weird stuff

Coinhead.7591:

This skill deals huge damage from 1200 range.

Wrong, so wrong. Animation is 1200 range, actual hit is 900 range as it is bugged.
In a place where revenant can use drop the hammer at it max range, CoR doesnt hit.

Also its easy one to strafe so actually it deserve it damage to be high. These high crits for 10k+ olny happen when rev have 25 might stacks on you+some vul on yourself. In general this ability often hits for no more than 7k full backline zerkers and 3k in in front ones due to being build around ptv gear+protection. Not really gamebreaking.

Also lets be honest that wvw is a mess that barely anyone playing it anymore (rip roaming) so trying to balance around wvw is a joke in itself. It never was around wvw, never will. Trapper runes was nerfed olny for the reason that they added them to spvp and ended up being too strong, in wvw nobody cared about perma stealth thieves for example.

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Linfang.1087:

Roy I hope you won’t vanish on us after launch!

Kidel, we will get vuln with the attack.

Nope, no vanishing.

Yeah… so… about this…

Well if you think about it, he dindt. He still work at Anet right? He wasnt lying, he just dindt told us the whole truth

And to the defenders..hes active on twitter. Not surprising tho, i knew we will lose communication with Roy on the HOT launch. Its okay (its not), i just hope he change sword auto animation tho..its awful.

Rain.9213:

Burtnik.5218:

Rain.9213:

Guys. Shiro’s heal skill is literally Troll Unguent from Ranger except that it requires you to hit an enemy. In other words, it’s meant to sustain you in a fight rather than let you recover from nasty hits. Use it offensively and your other legend skill to actually recover. I’ve been able to survive 3v1’s on my Revenant using Shiro’s heal and Glint WITHOUT Shield and I’m not even the greatest Revenant. Using Shiro’s heal effectively is an l2p thing.

You mean “i have meet 3 noobs that keep attacking me under Glint healing me back to full hp” thing? Yeah, i believe that works pretty well.

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Ps. the duration of Shiro heal is a joke..15 seconds? I can outstealth it on my thief if i want to or even simply evade over and over. Who ever thought 15sec duration is a good idea when it need at 20 so it can actually work with hammer and random blinds?

You know you can time the glint heal preemptively into an incoming burst to trick them into healing you right?

Either way if you don’t like Shiro’s heal, then don’t use it. Use Jalis or Mallyx. Shiro offers enough to be worth sacrificing an instant heal. I’m not having much trouble surviving with Shiro’s heal and as I said, I’m not the best Revenant so I’m sure better ones can out survive me even more.

If they were experienced they would just poke you to bait healing skill in glint stance. If they tried to burst you without baiting glint heal first then it pretty much confirms everything about them being noobs and it has nothing to do with being preemptively. They just spammed hoping for fast kill.

You go agressive vs rev when hes in Shiro as rev player most likely will be desperate to actually proc his healing (UA comes to mind as the olny reliable way obviously) and upon swap to glint you poke him to bait healing. Its well know tactic already to beat revenants. Just like cc revs as they come out of shield 5 or use unblockables and nuke them. Once you bait glint heal, rev becomes freekill and even more desperate to actually proc Shiro terrible heal in hope he will survive long enough. So yeah if you been doing fine in 1v3 thats good, howered it says more about your opponents being terrible.

And sadly other legends doesnt have stunbreak so Shiro is mandatory in current state till other legends dont receive proper buffs. I could care less about Shiro mobility cus as i said..its bugged as kitten. Even small stone can cause your teleport to fail (and fails more often than work so unless you have straight line on flat area to your target, dont waste your energy+recently added joke cd) in current state and if you dont believe here is small example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1BZDPL8KA

Pompeia.5483:

I have no problems with mace and use it in PvE roaming everywhere… and kite mobs just fine while in melee to make them move and take that increased torment damage.

So, really, L2P. Mace is fine.

What Azure said. Pve roaming. You made my day brah.

Do you also kite bosses around when your party trying to stack up in corner to do max dps and you ruin it by “roaming” all over the place with boss following you so you can do some increased torment damage? Well im glad i dont have to be in the same party with ya.

Also condi application from mace and Mallyx is terrible compared to lets say condi mesmer which not olny can stack quite a bit of torment and confusion from range (!!!), it can also cover it with burning, weaknesss, vul, blind, bleeding. Mace in comprasion is unrewarding as it should stack condi much better due to the fact you have to use it in melee range. Its warrior sword all over again

Misguided.5139:

There has to be a tradeoff for using Shiro. It can’t have the best damage and the best mobility and the best sustain. The heal skill fits the legend perfectly, from a thematic standpoint. It isn’t an ability that will totally turn the fight if you are at low health by design.

The mobility is kitten. Its bugs more often than actually work. Might as well not be there at all now. If its useless at low hp then its useless as a whole healing skill cause after all, healing skills are supposed to keep you alive unless we started plaiyng some new game where we use healing skills as dps moves now.

UnbentMars.9126:

You are not taking into the account that you can use shiro’s heal skill then immediately get a second heal after switching to your alternate legend. Shiro’s skill is great where it is, especially when you can pair it with personal quickness and heal a large amount very quickly.

You dindt even bother to read replies, did you? If you dont care, then simply keep this kind of stuff to yourself. If you had to use second healing skill right after Shiro one then it means Shiro healing skill failed to do it job and keep you in a fight.

ShadowCatz.8437:

EDIT: I forgot to mention that on swap sigil (and runes which also trigger on healing or elite) actually also trigger on Legendary Stance swap

They doesnt. Also hammers are useless outside of pve, they do more harm than good.

Rain.9213:

Guys. Shiro’s heal skill is literally Troll Unguent from Ranger except that it requires you to hit an enemy. In other words, it’s meant to sustain you in a fight rather than let you recover from nasty hits. Use it offensively and your other legend skill to actually recover. I’ve been able to survive 3v1’s on my Revenant using Shiro’s heal and Glint WITHOUT Shield and I’m not even the greatest Revenant. Using Shiro’s heal effectively is an l2p thing.

You mean “i have meet 3 noobs that keep attacking me under Glint healing me back to full hp” thing? Yeah, i believe that works pretty well.

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Ps. the duration of Shiro heal is a joke..15 seconds? I can outstealth it on my thief if i want to or even simply evade over and over. Who ever thought 15sec duration is a good idea when it need at 20 so it can actually work with hammer and random blinds?

Bump. The problem is still there with normal stomps (tried the option mentioned in this thread). But most of all quick/slow stomps are bugged as kitten for far too long. Aiming for “esport” with such important yet so bugged mechanic is a joke.

Nautix.6385:

I do realize that if all you have is Shiro heal and less than 50% health… you are kind of doomed :\

Yep, thats why its bad in current state and 15sec duration doesnt help at all.

Velho.7123:

Honestly, Enchanted Daggers is our strongest heal not counting how situational Infuse Light is. Just because it isn’t bursty doesn’t mean it’s not good, and it’s not only our strongest heal it’s also a DPS increase in the Shiro rotation, so there is really no reason to complain.

Our best healing skill is empowering misery. If you have any enemy necro around which is not rare lately it can heal 10k just with one button, the animations is also fast.

Enchanted daggers is our second worst healing skill, feels more like dps boost than healing skill as it is useless in situations when healing skill is needed the most. N1. is Ventari Will but given the fact how Ventari in general is supposed to work i could open a debate which one is worse.

My rankins is; Mallyx heal>Glint heal>Jalis heal>Shiro heal>Ventari heal.

Shiro healing simply doesnt work without being carried by UA vs most opponents that knows what they doing. It also doesnt do the basic work to save your kitten when you need it. I keep have feeling that it was supposed to work olny in 1v1 while wielding sword mh.

Nautix.6385:

Burtnik.5218:

Nautix.6385:

Shiro’s skill actually works even if you activate it then invoke another legend.

So does Glint heal.Your point? If you have to use second healing skill to actually survive then you just gave me a proof that Shiro healing ability is terrible.

My point is that every other profession has 1 heal on 1 timer. Revenant gets two heals on two timers.
On other professions, you can’t just use the heal then switch to a different heal and use that. Basically Shiro + Glint or Shiro + Jalis or even Glint + Jalis is supposed to be the same one heal for any other profession.

Shiro’s heal is absolutely fine, it’s inconvenient as it’s not a traditional heal and requires some preparation to actually use effectively. Try using it at 70% hp instead of 20% and see the difference.

Other professions have stronger heals tho. Even played engineer? Healing turret is insane. The thing is you telling me to use it at 70% hp instead of 20%, its cool, i know how it works. Now howered tell me what in situation when fight drags on, you are at 20% hp, your second healing skill is on cd along with UA and Shiro healing just came off cd while your second heal still has 17cd.

In this situation Shiro heal is useless, inst it? You can cast it for 2k heal, run around in hope you will kite long enough to actually survive cause if you try to go back into fight you will die trading hits trying to heal – thats how its supposed to work? Moreover, 15sec timer is too low for weapon like hammer as its quite hard to trigger them all with such slow weapon.

For me its quite simple. If you dont have UA youre pretty much running with olny one healing skill. Try playing for a while with staff/hammer and tell me how Shiro heal worked when you got +1.

Dahkeus.8243:

Rework? Please no. This skill is perfect as it is. It’s an offensive-oriented heal skill that suites the theme of the legend as it should.

Reworking this would either homogenize the legend by making it another bland heal that does little to nothing offensively or just makes it OP by giving it a big heal without reducing the damage.

Yeah, exactly. Inst that weird you use healing skill as dps boost? For me it is. Are healing skills supposed to heal and save you or increase your dps? Rebember WHoA? Everyone does.

And the theme is something i really dont care anymore. Between assassin and demon
(Mallyx) i would consider demon to be more dangerous. Our assasin is so gut that they cant catch up with mere thief. Its a proof that theme doesnt matter and should not overshadow functionality of the skill.

Nautix.6385:

Shiro’s skill actually works even if you activate it then invoke another legend.

So does Glint heal.Your point? If you have to use second healing skill to actually survive then you just gave me a proof that Shiro healing ability is terrible.

Shiro heal is terrible and need rework. Nothing on your part. I could care less about the assasin theme when they nerfed PT. Under heavy pressure its useless.

Just so you guys know.. legendary backpieces looks like crap. Wont be surprised if legendary armor will look like crap as well.

Might be just me but i found mace to be absolutely terrible. 3 is a dps loss, torment on melee weaon doesnt make sense either. Condi output is quite low in general compared to other builds.

nacario.9417:

Shiro heralds falls short in group fights spvp, which is why its sad to see qquers claim rev to be tanky with much sustain. If u do not watch ur evades or a well timed infused, u can fall flat on ur face. One cannot go toe to toe vs a high condi uptime build, ive had better success ranging them with hammer but eventually they get close. 1v1 are fine, it is good vs power builds, but it def isnt the immortal when focused in a +1

Revenant in general falls easy, just dont hit them under Glint heal. Reason why Shiro inst good in teamfight is due to healing ability. Trading hits to heal up inst really any good idea, if you tried to do that on low hp youre dead. Theres always sword 3 but without it..Shiro healing is crap and it need major rework.

Artaz.3819:

Nothing on down 3 skill being bugged? Vengeful Blast doesn’t pulse 4 times in a 360 radius or the text is incorrect. It might be terrain bugged as well.

I honestly dont even understand how it is supposed to work. It says something about damage per pulse, yet i dont see any pulses. Just one big number like from from engi 3 but without knockback. Its a question to dev.

Aveneo.2068:

Burtnik.5218:

Aveneo.2068:

Here’s a picture showing an alternative approach that I would have liked a lot better instead of that 2d ground decal. Small crystals hovering near you for the active facets, just like one of the quests in Auric basin.

Then the color can be different depending on the facet.

Far better than the kitten we have+the model is already ingame. What we waiting for?! Yeah.. somehow i doubt it will go away anyone soon along with that sound..sometimes i really want to scream by that sound with no way to turn it off.

The only way to deactivate the ‘chiming’ would be to go into your sound options and reduce/deactivate the Player Instruments. That should mute the organ sounds; although you’d also lose the ability to hear people on their vuvuzelas (which isn’t a bad thing most of the time). :P

People keep dont understand what im talking about. I know i can turn off organ music. But what about this !@#$%^&?? It goes over and over, the whole tme i have any facet on..over and over, over and over…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPnMA6sLTo

Aveneo.2068:

Here’s a picture showing an alternative approach that I would have liked a lot better instead of that 2d ground decal. Small crystals hovering near you for the active facets, just like one of the quests in Auric basin.

Then the color can be different depending on the facet.

Far better than the kitten we have+the model is already ingame. What we waiting for?! Yeah.. somehow i doubt it will go away anyone soon along with that sound..sometimes i really want to scream by that sound with no way to turn it off.

Agemnon.4608:

If they put mobility skills on a CD then they need to get rid of initiative and rebalance all the skills so you can shortbow #5 away

But that dindt stopped revenant from getting cd on top of energy right? Almost the same system, one uses ini for weapon skills olny so they dont regain energy on swap and another uses energy on everything but aa and gain some energy on swap along with different utility skills that may not be useful at x time. I dont see a reason why thief cant receive cd’s. As for that l2p i would gladly show ya in game few tricks under my boots but then again why i should bother with noname throwing insults on forum aka forum warrior.

A thief asking for sustain while being able to reset fight at will and run from anyone as nobody in this game can match their mobility except another thief. Thats just too funny if someone ask me. Want sustain? Prepare for mobility nerf. You dont want nerf to mobility? Then stop asking for sustain buffs. Simple as that.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Burtnik.5218:

Thief needs to get cd’s on their mobility skills which is also vault.

Even though the thief finished that fight with less than 2,000 hp?

Think hard now.

I think revenant was supposed to be balanced on energy system and yet on top of energy PT also got slapped cd. So i dont see any reason why thief cant get slapped cd on vault, inf arrow, shadowshot to avoid spamming insane mobility.

Think harder. Its been too long and it time for some mobility nerfs in form of cds for thief. Also you cant really ask for some buffs to sustain with such mobility right? Ofc you not.

It works better for power than condi themself. Bolstered Anguish should increase condi dmg as Mallyx in theory is a condi legend yet it improves power dmg output? What take benefit from it? Mace? No it power scaling sux and hit slike wet noodle. Mallyx? Olny leap can do some pwoer damage but thats too low. But sword? Hammer? Yeah they benefit the most.

Mallyx and corruption line is a mess that Roy never cleaned. Same for Salvation.

Thief needs to get cd’s on their mobility skills which is also vault.

Revenant insta kill you? A class without burst ability insta kill you? Oh rlly?
Then i wonder what you will say about something that will get you 100>0 in a blink of eye. Hacks?

My slight adjustment says you need to git gut.

Seigfried.5938:

I would love it if the herald heal was completely redone. Against smart opponents, it’s completely useless, and against brainless opponents, it’s amazing. Funny thing is, you never even need a heal against the bad ones.

And shiro heal isn’t meant to be used when you are nearing death. If you have very low life and you use the heal, you have to attack your opponent to heal further, which will get you killed more times than not.

The problem is that soon or later you will be low and left olny with Shiro heal. Imo Shiro healing ability is a joke in current state, it may work in 1v1 but once focused..game over. Its also balanced around sword and its quite hard to proc with slow hammer. Shiro heal needs a rework.

Glint heal tho..even if you use it against smart opponent it depends on who you face. Warrior wont cancel his evi for example, neither mesmer his mirrow blade and shatter, dh traps etc. Thief on the other hand can negate it completely as hes going to tickle you around. Its actually funny to use glint heal vs another rev that just casted ua on you, imagine that frustraction when they cant cancel it healing them from low to full.

If you have AA off then you cant interrupt your skills with another one. Even autoatk. Clunky as..

Unless you playing stealth class i do not recommend turning it off.

Rym.1469:

It’s fun to me that when they were discussing reveal of Ventari they said they didn’t want to make it another bunker who heals, but more of a selfless healer and went with that outgoing healing increases….

Just to introduce Druid a while after which is a bunker healer.

Screw logic x)

Someone also said that every class is supposed to have a weakness..In this case rev being weak to condi like engineer. 3 days lag blog up about scrapper dd ele 2.0

What is love logic?

In the end were not olny weak to condi but also to cc while lacking any real burst/cc potential unless someone count spamming aa on quickness as a burst. Good job!

That sound from facets should be disabled with player instrumential option. Its really …