Guild Wars 2

I actually classify 25 as a large zerg, particularly when it’s all one guild. Notice I said zerg, not blob.

STUN appeared to be running ~30 late last night and ZzZz running a hair above 20.

I say it gives people who are ranked low, a chance to fight groups ranked higher (the teams include groups from all tiers). A lot of people don’t care about PPT and the score, and they will enjoy this map a lot.

There are still 4 other maps that count for the score; so if you are worried about your server’s ranking or need that Wxp; you can still go the regular maps.

If you have queues, or want a change of pace; you can go to EotM.

Sounds alright to me.

It’s funny, because as a WvW-focused player, we are worried about exactly the opposite.

We worry that they might turn competitive PvP into competitive PvE (you get points by killing Aetherblades, not competitors).

At a random time, Molten Alliance transports burst out of the ground and turn an owned camp neutral….

I was originally thinking this was going to be the new GvG area until I learned it’s going to be the lychpin of this LS installment.
Are people big into WvW going to be doing it (outside of reset night queues) or is it going to be a casual wonderland?

SoS has faced all of T2 and T3 (not DB, they are new to the party) in positions of both strength and weakness. While there is a tendency to over-inflate enemy numbers, you do get first hand knowledge of some things:
1. Their strong times and weak times
2. Non PuG coverage and at which times
3. The focus and personality of many guilds

Some examples:
TC guilds STUN and ZzZz tend to run large zergs in a highly offensive posture.
FA guild RET tends to be fight focused and often heads for orange swords
SoS guild EP runs independently and often in EBG
Mag’s ARK will only take structures in order to bring a fight to them
SBI’s Abys doesn’t take itself that seriously (quaggan tonic rushes into sieged structures)

Sometimes these observations tend to coagulate into broader statements about the servers as a whole; which most mature individuals realize is not entirely true (usually done for brevity, rather than singling out exceptions).

A nice guy from TC was PM’ing me about this thread yesterday, complaining about ZoD moving in a blob. I was in the middle of a 2v2 roaming fight and my server buddy was from ZoD. Despite the delicious irony of that, I’m sure when ZoD fully invests Bay keep to try and hold it from a multiple guild assault from TC; it probably does seem like a blob.
Nevermind it’s 3 TC guilds of 20 people vs 50 ZoD defenders. So exaggeration sets in.

Also, SoS spending more time in TC; there are two sides to that coin as well. Tarnished Coast seems to move on FA BL when their own BL is secure. After getting many points, they then move en masse to SoS BL. From a PPT point of view, it makes sense to keep TC on the defensive.
Also from a fights perspective, TC offers greater numbers when we have a large float team.
This also frees up FA BL for individual guild groups who want to mix it up with FA’s (increasingly) fight-focused guilds.

Another example, we see the same thing often enough; we know what to expect. I can go on Mos right now and see a lot of claimed camps by TC.

I promise you there are Omegas being built in FA and SoS borderlands for one of their afternoon golem rushes (I won’t say they run like clockwork, but they are a normal feature of the afternoon hours before NA prime).

I think this is a great recipe for hilarity to ensue. SoS’s massive nighttime PvE population is going to make it a laugh riot!

Add in “fights focused” servers like Maguuma, FA, and SoR…

They will have to add a life-jacket vendor for all the tears.

Rawr.5930:

Some interesting facts regarding the T2 servers.

Accurate as of posting sourced from gw2score.com

AVERAGE PPT of all 3 servers.

TC 242
SOS 255
FA 197

Points NOT from tick for each server (stomps, sentries, yaks)

TC 36.8%
SOS 29.8%
FA 31.5%

Current score

TC 97.7k
SOS 93.4k
FA 73k

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Also you can see how much time each server spends on each map, and then infer who dbl teams who, based on actual data – NOT BS opinions of biased individuals.

Kindly explain how the server with higher current score but less average PPT works?

You can infer who plays for fights via points not from tick – not entirely accurate but a decent abstraction.

You can infer coverage from average ppt, or at least which server is the bunker turtle.

I WOULD PAY TO HAVE A POPULATION STATISTIC JUST SO I CAN FACTUALLY DEBUNK BULLkitten POSTERS.

You’re welcome to claim gw2score is 3rd party and not accurate blah blah blah, but please direct me to actual data of higher quality rather than yet another unsourced hearsay opinion – you know who you are.

The current match isn’t really seeing any double-teaming. Last week started with a double team on TC, but that eased off as it became clear that SoS was going to take the week.

The actual dynamic is that TC and FA have a long history and rivalry, so if a TC player sees one SoS guy and one FA guy, he’ll probably attack the FA guy (assuming there are no other factors in play).

Tarnished Coast is running more small ops than they have previously and are quite organized about taking bloodlust before a major push. Some of the biggest fights between TC and SoS have occurred with no bloodlust for SoS. I’d be surprised if it hasn’t been the same when they push FA.
That’s a big part (certainly not the only, not disparaging TC) of their stomping score being higher than both SoS and FA.

All this talk about SoS going to T1, if you look at the scores or participate in T2; you’ll see that TC and SoS are still very evenly matched. It’s a bit lopsided due to SoS’s OCX; but TC’s SEA quickly stops the losses and it’s back to a balance match very soon.

TC still has good EU (they even have a guild called “EU”); and they just got two new NA guilds so no one is going to run away with T2 anytime soon.

I still recommend that anyone looking to transfer consider FA/DB, with OCX and SEA looking at Maguuma.

Burl.9567:

T2 is looking more and more like T1 every day.

I think that statement, more than any other; is encouraging me to keep my opinions to myself more.

Kigera.9584:

Chris.3290:

Because when we tick +300ppt, TC is ticking +225. That’s only 300 points an hour and TC’s unfettered love affair with bloodlust is well-documented.

I’m going to be blunt here. TC’s fair weathers are off doing PvE, and SoS now has defensive numbers that make your daily glom rushes fail. This allows us to go to TCBL in numbers and attack multiple targets, making your PuG based defenses fail even harder, which makes your fair weathers disappear.

This is starting to get embarrassing for TC. The first loss of your T2 dominance in 10 months and suddenly you lose your minds.

That’s a lot of words just to explain that SoS is winning because of coverage.

No one is losing their minds. People can have a different opinion other than yours. You like to talk about TC all the time anyway, I thought you would be enjoying this more

TC has long been a very worthy opponent and frequently gracious in victory and/or in defeat.

The people who were like that, the people who built TC’s reputation for never-say-die (no matter numbers, coverage, or whatever); are keeping very quiet these days.

What I hear a lot of is “why don’t you go to FA BL”, “you’re blobbing”.

To answer the first, camping the 3rd place server seems to be your new schtick. Second…“Hey kettle, this is pot. You are so black!”

Obviously my PvF’ing hobby is again causing problems.

I’m only commenting on A. What I’ve seen and B. What I’ve been told by people on TC and who have played there recently.

I see complaints about SoS getting new members, erasing our deficits in NA and EU.
I see FA, the group with the most to lose by this change; actually happy for a more competitive environment.

I see people from TC complaining, at length. People, on TC; have been saying (long before this week; that everyone over there is nice to each other but haven’t been using VoiP and not working well with others.

I see TC PuG involvement way down, in direct correlation to the statements and observations that PvE is a big deal with TC and a lot of their WvW strength is PvX.

Other than that, there is this bizarre subtext in Dalloway’s post that we are somehow outcoveraging them all day.
Nearly all our gains come at night, and all this shift in numbers has done is prevent TC from gaining much during the day.

The conclusions?
FA should be more competitive in this match, to do that; they need more off hours coverage and maybe even a late NA guild.

Back to the original point? BG and JQ are overstacked for their tier, they could shed some of that to bring T3 some more stability, and possibly create 9 servers able to combat each other without embarrassment. How can anyone not like that?

Dalloway.9853:

There arises the question as to why SoS cannot distance itself from this poorly coordinated TC when it matches or outnumbers TC in all time-zones, as per your own post.

Because when we tick +300ppt, TC is ticking +225. That’s only 300 points an hour and TC’s unfettered love affair with bloodlust is well-documented.

I’m going to be blunt here. TC’s fair weathers are off doing PvE, and SoS now has defensive numbers that make your daily glom rushes fail. This allows us to go to TCBL in numbers and attack multiple targets, making your PuG based defenses fail even harder, which makes your fair weathers disappear.

This is starting to get embarrassing for TC. The first loss of your T2 dominance in 10 months and suddenly you lose your minds.

Usagi.4835:

How is it hard to respect his argument? You didn’t even address any of his points. It was all fact-based. Hard to respect because of his anti-FA tirade or because it doesn’t suit your agenda?

And fail to see how TC’s situation is so dire? Of course you don’t. Ironically, for all you spout and all the times you dropped by into matchup threads to give us all updates about what everyone’s servers were like, you’re completely stumped here. Because guess what? You’re not on TC. You’re on SOS.

Utter tripe? FA does have a sizeable EU force or did you somehow fail to notice BOMB or CL? You’re not on this server so stop telling us what the situation is like.

Are you going to actually address anything that was brought up or just dance around it because you have no answers?

From people who were recently on TC and people currently there, they speak of horrible coordination between guilds. TC still has great numbers and good coverage, it appears only the cohesion is missing. That has probably more to do with your skill groups leaving than you care to admit in public.
TC is indeed much smaller than it was in their “T1.5” days. The fact that we match or outnumber you in every time-zone is also not in contention. Which is why we have this thread, to discourage a bandwagon effect to SoS and/or to create a mirror of T1 with the top two in this tier starting an out of control arms race.

I scoff at the FA EU comments because TC heavily dominated EU until very early NA, until we got ZoD and messed with the math.

Let’s address the number one problem facing TC and wrapping both points together. The almost ancient rivalry with FA is now dragging you down. The hostility shown towards the idea of FA gaining numbers is not helping either. With their gains from FEAR and IoJ, a large number FA don’t get the rivalry. They were focusing you the last few weeks because you were leading.
Yet now, you guys are permanently bivouacked on their BL, perpetuating the rivalry and making things easier for SoS; while you complain about coverage differences.

Usagi.4835:

I would expect Chris, who supposedly keeps tabs on most servers more than most since he fondly drops by to give us all weather updates on every server, to know a bit better than to try and be disingenuous by stating TC is a perfect match for SOS in its current state.

OCX/SEA hard counters NA coverage so by stacking all of your timezones, you are turning yourself into a 24hr server. So much for wanting balance in Tier 2. You don’t want balance. You want to win, which is understandable. Just don’t pretend you’re doing the rest of us a favour.

We definitely do not want to stack anymore. We’d like to see FA in a better position and see Maguuma get their “unicorn” OCX/SEA coverage.

We’re already worried at what effect EotM will have on existing matchups so it’s not in our interest to just crush T2; nor would that provide good quality matches for us.

Hard to respect Dalloway’s analysis when he launches into an anti-FA tirade and talks about large SEA (coming from someone who should remember DB and saw T1 during the season).

FA has some great guild groups but is now hurting in off-hours. The statement that they have good EU is utter tripe too. FA is EST front-loaded for NA. A fact that works against them in late NA.

TC did lose most of it’s best Zerg-busting groups, with STUN and NAGA carrying most of the load even while the server continued to eke out victories due to good SEA and better EU ( both advantages neutralized by SoS’s even SEa and now decent EU).
However they just got FUNK and MU who look like they are ready to pick up some of that slack.

Don’t forget that we had a bigger lead at this point last week (just before everyone started transferring over); so I fail to see how TC’s situation is suddenly so dire (unless you have commanders and guilds stretching themselves thin with ultra long play times; we all have heard that CERN is known for staying up late)

It’ll be released the same time as Zerg Mastery

Yes, SEA guilds please consider FA, ( what happened to UA and your OCX?)

There was never any conspiracy afoot on SoS (I almost think we should be flattered that you think we’re all evil geniuses holed up in a volcano lair). We’d been trying to recruit more SEA and NA for about 10 months now.
The only guild that we knew would be coming was ONE (it was between us and TC I guess).
Next thing we know we get 2 SEA groups and then most of EBay came over.

TC Is distinguishing itself well right now. They are hounding the bloodlust to try and keep up with stomps and are fighting hard. They are a well-matched adversary for us and with better coordination we’d be evenly matched.

As for EotM, that’s going to send things all wonky. Maguuma will camp the heck out of it and will drop down.

We’re also understandably nervous about Sanctum of “we don’t ppt” getting too enamored of the new map and bad things happening.

BG’s queues + fight centric FA and Maguuma?
Meanwhile blue has three servers that are desperately trying to hold onto winning streaks at the top.

I for one would like to congratulate Green on their victory.

If a server is,willing to get 300G together to spy, then I’d say that server is pretty pathetic.

Saboteurs with no loyalties, or someone with a grudge against that server, are far more harmful.

zortek.9607:

The entire premise of this thread is flawed. Luvpie, let me begin with — “You are a good commander. You teach well and you generally take defeat well — turning it into learning (for yourself and those that follow you). You have lead well since you and [Fang] were on CD. I would rank you as a senior talent.”

However, you also have a long history of trying to architect perfection — managing and controlling things outside your purview — resulting in you getting all unfocussed and losing perspective on “that which is possible, that which is pragmatic, and that which is beyond your control.”

You are fun to run with and you are fun as skilled opposition. But nonsense efforts like this simply fuel dissension and resentments among a population that needs little provocation to spoil about “unfairness.” — a read of the thread is illustrative.

If for no other reason, Nash Equilibrium quashes the notion that in a non-cooperative game, n+1 (rational) people will change their strategy when there is nothing to gain.

Altruism is not a sufficient motivator and “everyone benefits if they cooperate” (while idealistic) is not rational so long as non-cooperation is incented.

Please don’t misunderstand, I do not seek to squelch your voice or desire to ring-fence your creativity… I instead urge you to focus your voice in a more productive direction — to dedicate yourself to dialog (or at least outreach) with corporate actors that actually have accountability and are empowered to affect change.

Actually, this thread has proven exactly why a balanced T2 and T3 will help the game. Look at all the BG related crap that has washed ashore in a thread that has nothing to do with them.

We have close to balance in T2 ( FA needs a nudge more) and as of this week, T3 is a whole new game. Some OCX/SEA to Maguuma would help that out, along with NA to DB.

We don’t need to invade other threads in pedantic need to advertise our server and inflate fake importance of what is happening in your tier. There is nothing going on in T1 that isn’t going on in T5; there’s just more ppl doing it for more hours out of the day.

Our fights are balanced, while T1 fights are crap because you’ve created a culture that glorifies manufactured victories delivered by cannibalizing each other and importing massive off-hours coverage.

T2 is rejecting that philosophy and we hope that T3 will as well. With luck this understanding will drift through all the tiers and T1 will be forced with the idea that this will be the only thing that will provide a quality playing experience; which is all anyone wants. Folks who get their kicks from one-sided fights and stacking for victories are dying out, facing the hollowness of such victory.

Seigfried.5938:

Lol Chris, you start bashing BG again and then call us drunk. I’m just waiting for Eotm to put all you guys in the ground. Think T1 is all about zerging? From what i have seen, some of the best roamers are from skilled groups like TW which also fight on a large scale. And then there are small dedicated roaming groups like oPP and RIOT. Eotm will put your skill play =/= t1 theory to the test.

I said T1 is drunk; though your defensiveness on this subject makes me think you might tip a bottle or two once in a while.

I have no idea where you are going about zerging vs. roaming; that wasn’t even a subject. My criticism of T1 is the idea that every thread has to be about ancient crap from the Season or who transferred where and how that is ruining your game mode.

Again, with feeling this time; I’m not bashing BG, any guild or person on BG, nor any community, organization, guild, alliance, or individuals in all of Tier 1.
I’m poking fun at the mindset that is currently driving Tier 1; that BG has been not only a willing participant, but it’s greatest champion.
People saying SoR is losing because they won’t buy guilds, (yep, poster from BG). People saying BG is bad in OCX, though BG was ticking over +300 in that timeframe as recent as last week.
JQ does the same, though they don’t share the zeal for it; showing they at least have some reservations about perpetuating the problems that they helped create.

It’s all what people have turned T1 into; and is a big part of why no one in Tier 2 on down (well, some delusional plebs on SBI have publicly said they want a piece of that) wants to take SoR’s place.
No one buys guilds, everyone plays how they play; we don’t get in long drawn out discussions about crap that is months old in EVERY FORUM THREAD.

Now, please go back to your Algonquin Round Table discussions about the impact of ZDs and the difference between “buying” guilds and “helping them move”.

Seigfried.5938:

Tibstrike.2974:

Seigfried.5938:

Tibstrike.2974:

Seigfried.5938:

Lol Chris, you start bashing BG again and then call us drunk. I’m just waiting for Eotm to put all you guys in the ground. Think T1 is all about zerging? From what i have seen, some of the best roamers are from skilled groups like TW which also fight on a large scale. And then there are small dedicated roaming groups like oPP and RIOT. Eotm will put your skill play =/= t1 theory to the test.

You guys are gonna have fun facing some of the roamers in the lower tiers. When all there is to do is roaming, then you tend to get very good at it. Best 5-man group I’ve seen is still from NSP (or was).

I used to be in tier 4 and then transferred up, so I know what type of roamers are there across the tiers. There isn’t any difference. The only 1 server in in the last season that had good roamers from t2-3 were from maguuma.

See, here I say that while Mag has an abundance of roamers, I wouldn’t peg them as any better than the rest. The thing about roamers is that the best ones rarely get props, unless the players who lost to them are willing to admit how badly they were beaten.

Until I see a 5v5 tourney where they lose, SPCA and friends are still the best 5-man team. BS probably had the best individual roamers which translated to a nasty GvG team.

I meant on average, the skill level of maguuma is much higher than other servers in t2-3. This is the impression I got fighting them during the league, Much could have changed since then, though.

And question to the OP, balance is not going to do any good for the fights. at the moment, SoS pvdoors during oceanic and other servers pvdoor during SEA and Eu. PPT is indeed balanced, but fights are not. So ask yourself what is more important, PPT or fights?

That question, is exactly why we want balance in tiers. In T2, you can be fights focused without sacrificing your server’s standing; but we also recognize that PPT is a part of the game and those who wish the focus on it are welcome to.

FA, TC, and SoS are all like-minded on this. We all have our PPT folks, we have our GvG enthusiasts, our open-field focused zergbusters, our siege huggers; and so on.

That is what we mean by balance.

Take that stuff here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Server-dominance/first#post3576028

That guy is obviously begging for your attention and recruitment-lawyering.

T1 go home! You’re drunk!

OMG, every post that has the word “coverage” in it and we’re inundated with posturing and who’s outstacking who….

Take it to the user-created forums if you want to play the “we’re a shadow of our former self” game that you use to further stack.

If BG and JQ were at all interested in having the kind of fun matches we’re having in Tier 2; they’d be actively trying to rebuild SoR as opposed to trying to further stack their own rosters.

For instance, one TC NA group was talking to me and said they were considering transfer. I suggested FA, DB, and then SoR in that exact order.

Cruril Darksbane.2318:

I doubt this will ever happen, and it’s sad honestly. The only way to balance it out would be to merge tier 3 servers active accounts and leave inactive ones behind. T2 is equally a mess because, Anet are unwilling to enforce rulings on backdoor agreements between world’s to gang up aginste another world.

It makes me sad to be in CD since in our up time we dominate wvw then KoME goes offline and we lose everything because coverage is so bad. Although we have fun and get awesome fights it’s still a kitten until they start merging servers.

It’s actually funny because we recently found out CD’s main competitor keeps track of our tag and there commanders statement in regards to our guild is, “Do not fight, run away.”

But anyway the only solution I see for T3 is to merge servers, T2 is again coverage problems.

Backdoor agreements? There are no agreements, just three servers who actually play the game as it’s meant.
TC was the stronger server in this matchup, so of course SoS and FA focused them. Now that SoS is most likely going to win this week, we are bracing for a 2v1 against us.

The failure of the 2nd and 3rd servers to focus on the 1st is what ruins matches and nothing is more pathetic than playing for 2nd.

T3 will be better when DB moves up and already DB is gaining numbers in NA. It’s hardly broken.

Thank you for the keen observations about T2 and T3 from a server about to drop into T6.

As for adding commanders to your friend’s list, this is very common these days. The last few weeks, TC has taken great advantage of this. It’s not by chance that they tend to get more aggressive when some of our well-known commanders log off.

CD wasn’t bad at exploiting small coverage gaps once upon a time.

Dear T1, this isn’t about you.

As someone who was there for leagues and in T2, I can say unequivocally that JQ and BG are brick lavatories in terms of stacking compared to TC and SoS.
I’m sure whichever set of xfers that has your undergarments in a twist this week will probably be offset by the next shocking transfer that will upend your world.

Compare to T2 where SoS has had it’s best recruiting week since fall 2012, but TC and FA have responded aggressively instead of downplaying their coverage.

@Reverence; I respectfully disagree and think you are drastically overstating our numbers and understating yours.

#KeepSoRinTierOne2014

Season 1 was not that long ago (even accounting for numbers inflation due to PvX interest) and we’re pretty sure that T1 will still roflstomp any T2.
I have no idea how SoR compares to T2 (how is their non-NA prime?) but they can probably still beat TC and SoS; even if it would probably be close.

BG’s EU would completely demolish any T2 (ticking over +500 at times) and both JQ and BG outnumber any T2 NA. Add in a crushing advantage in SEA….nah, it would be a bad joke.

The state of T2 right now is that all three servers are adjusting to their recent population changes.
SoS has brought in a lot of people and it will take time before everyone hammers out their place in our community. Not to mention all the WvW stuff: build coordination, map coordination, comms, the entire works.
TC has the population but they have a lot of PvX and their internal coordination is pitiful at the moment.
FA has some great skill groups, but they need to make sure that they can translate that into battlefield success so they don’t become T2’s SoR or Maguuma. (They are very coordinated right now so I don’t think that’s going to happen.)

If you are “playing it straight” you should be getting plenty of bags along with some decent PPT.

Things get out of whack when you go to one of the extremes (I direct you to Tier 3 NA for prime examples).

You are PPT’ing too hard when you spend too much time on defensive siege (hold for the tick) and timing your attacks to gain for the tick.

You are going to the other extreme when you leave spawn and ignore all “hard target” objectives to race across the map to get where the orange swords are (because nothing says skill like mopping up a zerg when their cooldowns are on).

No one expects “fight-centric” servers like Maguuma and SoR to drop everything to squeeze the last bit of life out of every single tick to get some points; but when you get to the point where you are berating or belittling others for picking one or the other; then you are a failing server.

Don’t be discouraged DH, the Magummies are just upset to see anyone moving up while they are slowly drifting down (not PPT’ing has consequences).

GJ on rebuilding your server and moving on up.

Burl.9567:

Chris.3290:

DB needs the NA to compete with Maguuma’s skill groups and SBI’s map queue blob.

SEA guilds should consider FA and SoR. SoR needs to be more competitive; since they have the rational approach of not trying to buy their way to victory (BG posters mock them for it…#T1logic).

I like to think of it this way. SoR is more fiscally responsible.

More responsible, period. The JadeGate scenario will end up with only two tiers with WvW active and then they’ll just close the game-mode due to “lack of interest”

A slow form of consolidation is likely and will probably continue but hopefully we’ll end up with 5-6 tiers minimum with quality WvW (in regards to their tiers at least).

I’ve gotten three ascended rings so far.

DB needs the NA to compete with Maguuma’s skill groups and SBI’s map queue blob.

SEA guilds should consider FA and SoR. SoR needs to be more competitive; since they have the rational approach of not trying to buy their way to victory (BG posters mock them for it…#T1logic).

mango.9267:

Buffy.9246:

Ioj stands no chance in T4. From what I heard from a friend in ioj, commanders let the enemy take their keeps so they can take it back.

As for T2 balance, SoS got 3 guilds that can basically que maps. I’ve fought them all and they are just blobs running around.

kitten, no idea who your friend is, but he probably doesn’t play WvW much. IoJ commanders are very anti-karma train. There’s only been one commander ever who has purposely let enemies recap their keep, and he’s no longer on the server.

That said, I agree about T4. Don’t think we’d fare too well, and I still shudder remembering DB’s OCX/SEA.

Don’t worry, DB should be moving up relatively soon and it’ll be YB-BP-IoJ. You’ll probably still get kicked in the teeth by BP, but it won’t be the case where you wake up Saturday morning and are already 40k behind.

The bulk of our transfers are here and we were still ticking +160ppt at one point during prime time.

Just four weeks ago our NA was being stomped by SBI and YB because our PuGmanders were out of town. We can compete and probably win in NA time now; but we still have to face TC’s superior numbers in SEA and EU.

Tier 2 is not resolved by a longshot (and we got to get some SEA to FA so they can keep up. They are good in EU and NA.

Andrew Clear.1750:

From an SBI standpoint, you are right on, we really do need to leave EB more.

On a different note, what happened to Mag? Since when did they start playing for PPT?

Probably because they realize that with DB coming up they can slip down to 9th and maybe even T4 if they don’t put in at least a modest effort. Roaming is great and personally rewarding, but it doesn’t do jack for your glicko rating.

Kigera.9584:

Luvpie.8350:

It can if T1 guilds start to destack we can have 3 tiers of balanced servers. Just 2-3 guilds from JQ/BG talk to each other and pick DB/MAg respectively if you oceanic/NA. Start the process then go from there!

That would be ideal but its not likely to happen. Both like winning too much and I doubt they would self sabotage their server’s winning percentage for better fights. But like you said, it would be nice if it happened.

BG appears to be throwing this week in order to PvE. That’s just silly.
The T1 mindset should go away as a 25 v 30battle in T3 is just as satisfying as a 45 v 45 battle in T1

Rewards for winning in T1 are the same for winning in T8.
If I was on BG or JQ, I’d be sick to death of seeing the same blobs, the same ppl, in the same BL every night, after waiting 15-30 min for the queue to pop.

JQ and BG should donate 1 medium NA guild each to DB and one small OCX or SEA group each to Maguuma. That there would do wonders to straightening out T1 and T3.

Consider, if WvW dies out on all but a handful of servers; they’ll just get rid of it to devote more resources to Aetherblades.

I had heard Void went to FA, but they or others from FA will have to confirm that.

Unlike Magummies, I base a guild’s success based on it’s purpose and goals and not just based on open-field success (though I’m the first to say that such fights require the most experience and skill).
If a guild says they are zergbusters and then nuthug, they are the failures.

I hope the TW and CHOO thing is black humor. They’d just turn TC into the next SoR, and the TC fair weathers wouldn’t show up for T1.
Seriously I think T2 servers should send NA transfers to DB and SoR.

I know their forum…demeanor, leaves something to be desired but it would be fun to see Maguuma get at least a small OCX force.
Likewise DB only needs a nudge in NA to get out of T4 for good.
Lord knows how YB and IoJ will handle BP in that bracket, but that will be their problem. Getting T2-T3 straightened out is enough trouble.

GH is a well-respected guild from anyone who’s ever played on or against Ehmry Bay. Kinda hard to slip under the radar there.

Buffy.9246:

But why SoS?

Why not?

The only other server that is hurting for NA as much as SoS is/was is Dragonbrand. T2 offers great fights without the queues and politics of Tier 1.

TC and FA have great NA guilds like AGG, FEAR, ZzZz, STUN, NAGA, APS, PINK, NOPE, and many more. If you like a good fight like ZoD and GH do; you probably want a crack at that group.

edit: Not to mention both RET’s (Reticle and Retribution)

I know when we’ve gone for PPT, there is rarely a lack of fights (I don’t care what time of day, you knock down an outer garrison door; you’ll have a fight.

Smooth Criminal…just because

The logic goes that if you go for the fight; the PPT should follow.

It’s different in every situation and every fight. Enemy runs a 40 deep blob and you got 20? Go for PPT and hope that the 3rd server does as well; splitting that blob and getting an even fight.

“For the fights” guilds should coordinate with PPT focused groups for the best results. Open field guilds setup at North Hills while PPT ops take Hills from the South; and so on.

When a server says “we don’t PPT and we make fun of those who do”; it sounds like they are scared to try anymore; as if getting another 3rd place is going to break them.

Just as bad is a server that wholly commits to PPT as a way of life. Having 3 people on arrow carts on every piece of owned real estate is not fun for most people.

A healthy server just let’s every guild play their way; and doesn’t call out other guilds for pursuing whatever play-style (or even mode for PvX and PvP groups) they enjoy.

Frozen Soil would make rangers actually necessary again.

A big no to EoE, it would make the meta (already tilted to necros and warriors) just go off the deep-end.

Welcome to Zergs on Demand, GrindHouse Gaming, and Hood. Looking forward to great things.

Looking good for our GvG group but we still need backups and alternates.