I was fortunate enough to be on SoS during it’s rocket ride up to T1 during what is probably still to date, the most one-sided match in WvW history; SoS-IoJ-HoD. (made some of the matches in Season 1 look balanced).
I got all four maps explored in about 2 hours (if I had been smart and running with speed buffs, it would have been in 1).
mesmer and somewhat glassy…I still can’t see 46k and 48k.
If rangers could spike that much they’d be the new WvW meta LOL
How many guilds have gone to Maguuma? The only ppl I know of is [OLAF] and you got Nacho to pugmand in EU.
Why do people freak out about a new guild? No1 goes on forums when jq, SoS, fa, mag got their transfers. Why tc?
Oh no, TC players have been rping as jerks ever since SoS got their transfers, calling us bandwagoners and putting our new guilds down. Sorry but TC doesn’t get to play innocent, expect a lot of crap whenever you get transfers in.
What a crybaby. Everyone has called SoS a bandwagon since they got those transfers. It’s not just people from TC and I’m pretty sure you know it.
No, FA has been doing it too; just not embarrassing themselves as much because it actually has made a difference in their fortunes.
TC still won the match the following week, but that hasn’t stopped their tears and acrimony. They brought in two new guilds within days but still the tears flow unending.
SoS has never bought a guild, you are thinking of FA and Maguuma in those departments.
If you are on SoR, T3 will come to you in a few weeks (if this week is a realistic indicator).
If they did get a large EU guild transfer they wouldn’t be ticking +70 right now. CERN (calling themselves [EU] European Warband) could easily put +30 onto a map for quick golem rushes while daytime PuGs maintained defense.
Never saw them run 70 ppl either. Maybe 40 tops when they were k-training.
I think it’s mathmatically impossible to get that much damage against you unless a ballista was involved.
16k, I have seen that from thieves (against heavies as well). Run pure glass with high crit, power, and crit damage and once in a while you might hit the jackpot and one-shot down someone running a little too much melted sand themselves.
We just had a very successful night in GvG last night and have our 15 pretty rounded out. We have more spots open as we move to try 20s in the future as well.
uproar in communities? What are they going to do, use harsh language?
Just tell people who you are and what you want (exactly) and leave it on the table.
As much as we on SoS are hating the current matchup, I’m happy that the three “fights oriented” servers got to all meet up at least once.
Have fun, because the RNG can only hate us as much as is numerically possible.
Good, now they can stay in T1 now.
Unless they came up with yet another pseudonym for CERN to create the illusion of numbers.
The greater metropolitan area that surrounds ArenaNet has one of the, if not THE, highest population of information technology and programming professionals.
While it’s infinitely easier to hack a system than to protect it, it’s the reason such individuals make lots of money and it’s oftena reason SOME companies do not utilize such individuals despite the fact that they should really look into the matter. Especially if they have already been attacked….
Yeah, game’s broken and even lag reaching the forums here. ESO hire some people LOL?
the game is completely unplayable across NA right now.
If you want to go where you will have the most impact, it looks like DB can use an NA group the most.
You’d be welcome on any of the servers in your consideration zone; especially since the grouping is getting more competitive with the announcement of the WvW Tourney.
A good commander realizes he/she is not leading bots in a RTS and makes some allowances for human error (in short, plays with the team they have and not the team he/she wants.)
Usually problems work themselves out because the player will improve unless they have an attitude problem. If they have an attitude problem, it will be made evident very quickly and either that person will leave or be shown the door.
There is a balance between being unnecessarily elitist, and being a bag delivery service.
First off, is it a WvW guild or a PvX?
If it’s WvW, are you running builds that compliment your group?
If you are running something that doesn’t go well with the group (cough ranger cough) are you at least getting results and are not giving free rallies?
I’m in a WvW focused guild. We politely suggest that people get a real profession if they are running a ranger, but we’ve never kicked or banned anyone for it. If you are willing and able to play it smartly; no one will say a thing.
Likewise, we do say “we run these builds” but encourage members to post their ideas and we kick the tires on them and see if they hold water.
The only unforgivable sins is that we ask people that if they are on during our limited mandatory times that they join us; because it’s pointless to be in a WvW guild if you are in FotM all the time.
The problem is that the examples in here show tiers 1-3 facing each other. Has that been announced because it seems to me that all 8 tiers NA/9 tiers EU are in the same boat.
If so, a likely matchup (based on this week’s rankings) would be a week 2 matchup between BG/ET/SF.
None of this will affect the rankings much, just affect the misery and the participation in EotM….which may be the goal.
As a previous poster said, it’s clear that they have a vision for WvW that does not include population balancing and that they have no time budgeted for changes to commander functionality (as probably the most purchased item in the game that costs over 100G, you think it would warrant some interest).
With that in mind, why don’t they share their vision for WvW? The current direction points in ending WvW matchups due to all the population only being on a few servers, then leaving EotM in place till people get bored and hopefully do more SPvP so they can realize their E-Sport ambitions.
If that is not the case, then we really want to know because interest is waning and with a viable (if not totally desirable) alternative to release in the near future along with WvW/RvR focused development in the early stages; it’s clear that GW2 is going to see it’s active player base drop severely in 2014 unless they articulate their plans for large scale PvP.
If we as a gw2 community can get the top 6 -8 servers equal in numbers and coverage in timezones , we would all have the funnest time in the tournament. Then it would only come down to skill, politics, and who wants it more.
That would be true, except that it won’t happen on its own. As hard as servers try to recruit, there will always be a bias towards people joining the “winning” servers. IMO, the only way to combat that bias is to add a counter-bias. In other words, you have to add something to the system that doesn’t guarantee numbers equal absolute victory (for the server, not in battles).
As for punishing the large servers, the beauty of a handicap system is that it isnt punishing larger servers for their coverage, nor is it rewarding small servers for their lack of said numbers. Larger servers have more people, ergo they should do better in WvW on the average. The glicko system supports this assertion and we all know it to be true. Therefore, large servers are expected to do better in points than smaller servers.
As an example of why this system works: take billiards. In a billiards tourney, you are given a handicap number. Say I’m new and I’m assigned a 2 and I’m facing a professional (say numbered 6). The way the system works is that I only have to win one game but he has to win the difference in our ranks number of games to claim victory (so 4 in a row).
The billiards handicap system is set up to try and even out the difference in ability and give a reasonable chance at winning to both players. In the case of WvW, the difference is in numbers and the handicap is a way to give a reasonable chance of victory to smaller servers.
TL:DR – You have the numbers, you are expected to use them and dominate points. If you under-perform with those numbers, you lose. Coverage no longer equals automatic victory. Problem solved.
It all sounds good on paper, but in reality is exactly what i said it was…… a punishment for the servers who have built a community and worked to get where they are.
Also, the billiards thing is BS. If I spend half of my life practicing my behind off to become an amazing billiards player, go to a tournament and be told I am being given a handicap so that a “new” or “cruddy” player can even compete with me…. i would be irate at best (They should get back to the practice board and work just as much as i had to)….. Any sport that uses a handicap system is only punishing its players and promoting mediocrity.
I disagree. It’s entirely possible with the system they are talking about that the top ranked #2 will face the bottom ranked #1’s; meaning BG/ET/SF (with standings as they are) BG would win handily with less than 1/5 of it’s current population. I would think that the margin for victory should be higher when you end up with that kind of matchup.
I always thought that “let’s sit in spawn for an hour while people finish FotM” was stupid. I don’t care if you have 3 people or 30; just start doing stuff and deal with people who don’t want to play with your guild later.
“They have also been designed with the expectation that a player who spends the whole tournament in the Edge of the Mists can achieve the meta.”
So everyone who contributes nothing to their server in terms of the “tournament” still get all the rewards? This is the stupidest thing I have ever read…. Might as well just hand out rewards for logging in and doing whatever the hell you want for during the weeks of the tournament.
Agreed. You shouldn’t get anything for not helping your server in the tournament. That’s a redic stupid proposal.
It’ll allow players that just want to bandwagon to rank 1 servers to avoid the downsides.
Seems they really want that transfer $ and kitten everything else.
The last two sentences are what it’s really about. They’ll probably raise the server cap too. The sooner they can get competitive WvW limited to a handful of server, the sooner they can do away with all that and make it EotM…then get rid of that and hopefully their E-Sports dreams will finally become true.
Is it really CDI if the discussion is steered towards something they seem to already have decided and are moving on?
I thought the CDI was more about responding to the community on concerns about development and a free discussion on the desires of the players vs the constraints of development resources.
The WvW CDI sounds more like something they are already doing, or even a proactive CYA for when the changes are unpopular (3 guys said they wanted more PvE!)
Same thing with the other in fact. It’s like the previous CDI’s didn’t happen and they are simply saying “we are doing this. How much are you going to hate it?”
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I had a guy asking about our recruiting in game. He asked “when is your raid” and I replied “we have no set raid time, we just go into WvW most of the time” and he wandered off.
I think it’s just fine for a guild to have set raid times; but I personally look for people that want to WvW even if there isn’t someone demanding their attention.
We don’t ban rangers but we do encourage them to bring something beefier if they are doing something other than roaming.
only 15%… tank harder SoR. TC needs face time with your bros up there and we need to catch up post-season.
a blob is too many to actually count, usually running in numbers of 35+ and usually a polyglot of guilds rather than one guild (though it might be formed around a core guild at it’s nucleus.)
Zerg is greater than 15.
Right now in T2 it seems like 20 is the sweetspot though it varies.
Of course they are making it so that you can get achievements from EotM; do they actually expect the BG-SoS-DB match to be in doubt?
SoX left SoR to ‘play for fights’.
How is posting a pic of one ‘raider’ (rank 10-14) indicative of an entire guild?
I think I’m missing the point you’re trying to make.you missed the point. it wasn’t about rank but rather the seige he was using.
So one person who has probably never played WvW before this week is on a cannon…
I’m sure you never tried that when you were new to WvW.
Your post and ‘condemning’ picture says a lot more about you than it does anyone in the guild you’re for whatever reason trying to make fun of.
#T1logic; don’t argue with it because you may understand it; then some poor kitten will have to clean up the mess when your brains explode everywhere.
T2 is the GvG sweet spot atm. With Maguuma and SoR to be in and out of the tier on a regular basis you’ll see 5 servers that are really into their GvG (EP, AGG, RET (both of them), ETA, EK, HOPE, GF, TW, FEAR, Ark, PYRO; and even more that are practicing to get into them more).
I don’t know of any GvG guilds in the bottom half of T3 and T1 sounds really quiet on that front as well. Beneath T3…forget it.
I believe when he says “roaming”, he means running with groups of 5-10 and occasionally up to 20. When talking about roaming in T2, are we talking 5 people or 25 people?
No, we are talking 2-5. TC and Maguuma manage to get a lot done by their roamers. No, you won’t be able to ninja towers with 3-5 like you probably can do a lot in lower tiers; but camps, sentries, yaks, bloodlust will all be like candy from a baby. It’s because of the large zerg nature of the tier that roamers can have a lot of fun. No one is going to divert a zerg for secondary targets and only towers and keeps attract zergs.
If you are looking for a target-rich environment you can consider SoS. Maguuma is overridden with roamers and TC and FA have healthy roaming populations while SoS is currently light on them.
The other tree, Mordremoth, and the Mists?
in Battle for Lion’s Arch - Aftermath
Posted by: Chris.3290
Since the update before this last it seems like a plurality believe that the Sylvari were meant to be dragon minions of Mordremoth and that the Pale Tree is “pulling a Glint”.
Now set the wayback machine to one of the Sylvari plot-lines involving a Sylvari who was from a different tree.
Now this is a stretch, but the plausible location for the Tree sounds like it is in The Falls area, remembered by GW1 fans, of the Maguuma jungle.
The Falls was mostly known for Totem Axes and later the Asura lab (Aetherblade base now?) but it also was one of the few places you could enter the Mists (specifically the Fissure of Woe).
In that context, wouldn’t the EotM movement make a whole lot of sense? (It was making none before this thought.)
It totally ruins the synergy of my private hopes that we’d find Mordremoth at Majesty’s Rest however.
I would think if it were truly only zergs, that there would be ample opportunity for roaming with everyone sticking to large groups. I know that is the case in T2 matches, where there is a lot of roaming since most people who are zerg inclined tend to blob up more than a little.
If you roam in a group of 3-5 there is ample opportunity in the T2 servers.
FEAR moved off to FA, but they’re near dead with only 10-15 players that joined. RET left, and they had some good players, but they were small as well. They also moved to FA.
SoX left to JQ because the guild leader got paid I believe. Most of their members stayed here, so they really don’t matter. XPK also moved to JQ, and they were decent.
Overall, 4 guilds moved off, but none of them really contributed that much. The people that did move off were small, maybe 50 overall. Most people stayed loyal.I ensure you that this guy is clueless on the inner workings of FEAR. We moved to FA and we field 20-25 daily raids and 30ish on reset. We gvg 3-4 times a week and raid 5-6 times a week. We are far from dead. We moved out 65 of our 70 man roster. Also as far as us not contributing much to SOR, ask anyone that isn’t kitten on the subject. FEAR did alot for SOR and left because of Teir 1 not SOR itself. We still consider ourselves rallians, and if SOR comes to Teir 2 or Teir 1 gets better we will be back. If you want more information about my guild please check out my website.
Must make you guys loved on FA, knowing that you guys will be dust in the wind when the inevitable happens, while helping prop them up until then.
There should be a way in game for server to deny disruptive “hur dur we play for fights not PPT” baddie guilds from transferring to their server and taking over their community. I genuinely feel sorry for FA.
Why the hell would you feel sorry for FA? We are having fun in t2, we aren’t BG. Besides the whole fights over ppt thing wasn’t from guilds transferring in, it’s pretty much always been like that, and guilds that transfer here are fully aware of that. It’s not like we completly ignore ppt, so quit acting like you know anything about FA.
Yet FA won’t be in T2 for much longer given now that even the Magummies are realizing that “we don’t PPT” is toxic to guilds looking to transfer. One week of PPT and they already went out and asked every OCX guild leader on SoS to transfer; so they must have got that memo.
FA is perfectly capable of PPT when the mood suits them, just as SoR will suddenly be new converts when they drop to T2.
There seems to be a lack of honesty, a simple “we can’t compete against servers that are stacked like masonry outhouses, so we are going to go enjoy EotM for the week” is more than acceptable.
The idea that you need to redefine the server to explain away a week of losing; is just silly.
I agree with Chris I think community is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a successful server. A toxic community or a community with big divide usually will not be attractive to guilds, but a good community alone will not be sufficient either. Luck and timing plays an important role as well.
Interesting observation nirvana, I am wondering is the same thing happen in lower tier NA as well? Off-prime hours just a forced karma train?
The forced karma train only happens if none of the combatants have a even a token night crew. During down-rolled matches (pre season when RNG was higher) SoS would often fail to get as much mileage during our strong times if we karma-trained too much (a group of 8 could backcap us faster than our 30+ could gain train.) We quickly had to get used to spreading out to maximize at the time; but that’s only when we needed to gain PPT badly.
These days with our more comfortable position (but still trying to beat TC) we keep things a little more light-hearted but try not to forget lessons learned.
I think the emphasis on community is a little too strong. Negative communities drive away existing guilds and might not attract new ones (Maguuma’s problem), positive ones are just a check box on a guild’s decision to move.
The number one decision, I’ve found, is rivalries.
When HoD and ET imploded, did they go to the other T1 servers and contenders?
No, they went to BG and SoS that were stacking up guilds at the time.
When SBI went down, most went to JQ over SoS because SoS ruined their moment of triumph (they were poised for a run of First places).
When SoS went down, no guild went to JQ. The first wave all went to BG and the second wave went to SoR.
DB, FA, and TC guilds that have moved or have considered moving; not a single one has gone to another, due to the intense T2 rivalry in the pre-season.
Ehmry Bay folks, were fed up with their situation. Did they go to their long time rival, BP or to their SEA drive adversary DB? No, they went to SoS; who they hadn’t seen in over 6 months.
SoR folks are going to JQ, and I bet 99% of their motivation is to knock down BG. The community probably wasn’t even on their checklist.
I would love to write the wall of text explaining why that didn’t happen and how wrong you are; but I don’t have to do that because I’m not in Tier 1 trying to justify my server’s bullshrimp.
(yeah I know, I was done here). While I usually disprove of “not playing to win” I would humbly suggest that any server that ends up in the T1 #3 hotseat considers going full EotM in protest until JQ and BG destack.
There is no point in building a “warchest” and trying to compete with their walls of text of QQ’ing, sandbagging, and birddogging.
I think the majority of TC and SoS want no part of their crap, and it appears that SoR is no longer in the hunt to stay there. So why play into it?
Don’t worry, a few more weeks of tanking like this and you’ll be good.
ENVY are SoS’s unsung heroes. They’ve been with the server since start, they’ve been constantly there through every up and down the server has had; and they have always been positive and supportive.
I can heartily recommend them in WvW; as they are versatile in that they can run in large groups; and quickly break off and do everything from small ops to ninjaing keeps in the middle of NA prime.
Somebody just got YB into their tier….
The only surefire solo actions are sentry slaying and capping ruins.
If specc’d well and good at your class, it’s possible to solo camps and pick off stragglers; though both activities are much more effective in groups of 2-3.
You’ll find WvW frustrating because it’s meant to accommodate large scale combat; and you’ll find yourself ran over by superior numbers quite often.
That being said, small groups are often the most effective, working around the zergs/blobs and doing the small things that add to victory.
Roamers? There will be mobs of people the first few weeks at least. After that it will probably be roamer friendly outside of reset nights and busy times.
I won’t post a screenshot of the conversations because I wouldn’t want to give those people’s names out.
Lol, learn to use Paint? What a poor excuse. You spend so much time on the forums politicking that you’re hardly ever in-game/online anyway.
If I paint the names, your forum warriors will claim it’s fake. Is it really that hard to believe that you have people on your server with a negative outlook who might have overreacted to last week’s population shifts?
To STUN, learn to take a friggin compliment. I may have overstated your numbers by 3 people, have a complete mental breakdown! (When someone says you brought more than you did, that means your impact seemed like that many.)
Still not as bad as when a CERN commander said he was facing 30+ Fang when there was 12 (that was funny).
Dalloway… you are insulting your server. TC has kept a strong tick all day and even into OCX; so your walls of text and childish “gotcha” moments when I tried to be gracious about coverage are utter drivel.
Leaving the thread now.
To everyone considering transferring:
DB and SBI need some NA love. FA could use anything other than early NA. OCX and SEA please consider Maguuma, SBI, and FA.
Everyone else; please stop coming here to sandbag, there are no floodwaters.
I’m asking because the projected teams have SoR, Mag, and FA all on the same color; all servers that are “about the fights” and don’t care overly much about PPT. If they come out in force, it’s going to be a one-sided bloodbath and will be the most hated patch in the history of MMOs.
BTW at Roar, this gem is from Traxien who is STUN’s leader on the gw2wvw site:
“And yeah, we’ve been a bit heavy lately, but we’ll be slimming down soon. We usually do best when running about 20-25, but have been in the low 30s lately cause people like the bags and broken wps.”
I actually classify 25 as a large zerg, particularly when it’s all one guild. Notice I said zerg, not blob.
STUN appeared to be running ~30 late last night and ZzZz running a hair above 20.
Your counting must be better than /supplyinfo, i stand corrected in your magnificence.
But we digress, the point is that your posts are nothing but unverifiable unsourced hearsay which paints a picture your biases reflect (like every other human being).
It would be nice to for once to see screenshots of your conversations with your friends on all these other servers and how via such hearsay you keep tabs on the goings on and the current state of the subjects of your unsolicited and IMO frankly downright inaccurate posts.
I won’t post a screenshot of the conversations because I wouldn’t want to give those people’s names out.
It’s a good rule that you can decrease your enemy’s numbers by 25% and increase yours by 25% (people not on the stack when it’s called). It actually looked like 30+STUN to me, but knowing that rule I decreased it (was only about 15 tops when you first got on the map).
Since it was two different groups, you can only speak to one of them as well; also no counting of PuGs or other guilds.
Either way, why are you so angry? I didn’t call STUN a bag farm or anything derogatory. I said you run a large group (zerg, but zerg is a relative term) that goes on the offense.
So much hurt over a neutral comment.