This is an international game and it sucks when someone beats you through PvD, but as fortunes change and populations move around; most of the non-NA teams are migrating to the top tiers.
Without SoS OCX/SEA, you NA lot wouldn’t get much done during NA prime. Or did you forget about us?
Edit to add SEA.
I most certainly was not, but I was trying to have empathy for the folks who are not on a server like ours.
We can also relate when we face groups like TC that have massive daytime numbers when we have few.
Just give it up. This is a international game and it’s just the way things work.
Besides, if you are the type of mouthbreather who’s obsessed with PPT; you are clearly only days away from farming enough gold to make your transfer to BG anyhow. So there is no need to change things to suit your needs.
This is an international game and it sucks when someone beats you through PvD, but as fortunes change and populations move around; most of the non-NA teams are migrating to the top tiers.
STOP NECROING THIS.
They want the transfer paid for, so they won’t be going anywhere because only JQ and BG pay for transfers.
I have to recommend these guys. I’ve spent more than one insomniac night up with these guys during their runs. They keep things fun and are active on TS; while fighting hard and getting the job done no matter who the opponents may be.
What is the deal with that <Lion> guild btw. See them in Yak’s BL all the time.
All they do is set up in north camp with siege and have 15 of them trying to kill solo people coming out. That is pretty boring imho
Did someone from YB just complain about unnecessary use of siege?
FTR they are defensive specialists but we haven’t done a very good job of giving them much to defend. Besides, holding an enemy’s north camp is a great way to deny them free upgrades during slow times.
I was talking about EU time, it was an [EP] commander driving the huge zerg. It was fun though, but some fairweathers were raging at me because I didnt want to turtle up in a tower. :P
Oh and tha SEA time zerg is most likely our lovely commander Olaf lol
We’ve had some heroic pushes by EP commanders in EU, but we’ve never put 80 people into the field in EU since the season ended.
of the top 3 tiers, FA has the lowest EU; balanced by it’s huge early NA pushes. Followed by SBI and SoS which has some midnight oil burning SEA, some alternate work schedule NA, and of course the pride of our EU time (pun intended) [lion].
YB and Mag do pretty good but nobody is ready for TC’s massive zerg of bored AARP members (everyone gets upset when I suggest the unemployed, so let’s take a new tact).
I guess I rubbed an observer from TC the wrong way. You exaggerate one number (I wasn’t trying to be accurate) and a thread gets closed.
Congrats either way to YB and SBI. It’s clear that SoS will not be able to expect to stay in tier 2 or even in tier 3 if we take a week off.
That’s a good thing however, the matches between T2-T3 are closer than ever.
AoE stuns should be well-telegraphed and on lengthy cooldowns.
Unfortunately they aren’t in GW2.
ANet can either reduce the amount of CC Hammers can apply, say by changing on the the stun-attacks into something else, or they can make Stability the only counter to CC more available to ALL classes (including Thieves).
Thief doesnt need stabilty, if you get hammer trained while playing a thief with the ammounts of dodges, teleports, stunbreakers and stealth you should really stay out of wvw.
Gw2 Hammer is the most telegraphed weapon in the recent history of mmos.So where do you get your input from claiming aoe cc is not telegraphed?If else mesmer and ele aoe stuns are not telegraphed but warriors are as extremely telegraphed as they could possibly getTelegraphed in duels maybe, but not in overall combat and especially not in zerg-fights. But then again, almost no skills in GW2 are nearly as well telegraphed as they should be.
Anyway, a Hammer Warrior will have
- Earthshaker on an 8 second cooldown
- Staggering Blow on a 16 second cooldown
- Backbreaker on a 24 second cooldown
That means your opener might be with Earthshaker into Staggering Blow into Backbreaker which is 3 consecutive stuns within 6 seconds, which could then be followed again by another Earthshaker just a few seconds later.
How does a single stun-breaker with a 30 second cooldown help much?
Without Stability surviving such a CC-cleave-train is impossible.
Also consider that all of this CC isn’t just applied to a single target, but rather to a rather generous Area of Effect.
So please reiterate how 2 dodges every 20 seconds and 1-2 stun-breakers on a 30-60 second cooldown are supposed to counter that?
You have not run with any good commanders fighting hammer trains. I know this because you are flat out wrong.
The first rule of facing any hammer train is do not be anywhere near the head. The telegraph for incoming cc is that the head is coming right at you. The counter is to get off that forward axis. We have done this on Mag with nothing more than competent commanders and mumble with what are technically pug zergs. Some of our guild teams are even better at it.
Have I been crunched before? Sure, but it happened because I didn’t position properly, or got caught with my britches down.
Rule two is scatter your Zerg, find the enemy zerkers at the back of the train, and kill them. Then finish off the heavies.
I promise you, do this and, you’ll never feel the need to complain about hammer trains again.
In all seriousness, talk to the Maguuma guys. They have spent a lot of time breaking up hammer train meta and have come up with some gimmicky, yet fun ways of dealing with them.
As a hammer warrior I have to tip my hat to them.
May I present this great instructional video on how to deal with hammer trains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyk71VRoUE
If it’s that same group that’s been brought up this week, then there isn’t a thing we can do about them. They are not known to anyone in the community and our community condemns cheating of any kind.
Please send your screenshots and captures to ANet and rest assured that we will do the same if we see them.
I don’t really see any of the titles coming out as being competitors for the PvP segment of GW2.
I’ve heard nothing but disappointing news about the ESO beta; though I think they haven’t beta’d their RvR (or at least, my sources didn’t try it). It’s not being done by Bethesda (it’s the parent company farming it out to other studios in the “family”) and they seem torn on whether it wants to be an MMO with ES elements or a ES game with MMO elements.
Wildstar seems cartoony and a bit of a throwback. It’s hard to trust anything released under the NCSoft title (the main company) which has relied upon subscriptions in the Korean market for it’s Lineage games for over a decade now. With those games ancient, and so many failures since; I don’t expect greatness.
WoW is a social experiment now. No one goes back for the game, they go back to do the new content with their old friends. (hint hint Anet, see how that works?)
Everquest looks promising for PvE, but no word on PvP which makes it sound like there will not be anything great being offered in that regard.
Nope, GW2 can survive entropy on it’s current momentum and I don’t think that there is much that can goad them to push any part of the game to the next level (no money from parent company, not enough income for major expansion).
They’ll just whittle away people until the age of PC gaming goes away.
I could get behind the costs changing with the tier, but the coding for that would take too much development time and wouldn’t equal the reward.
The original idea was more in-line with how it was during the first 1-2 months of the game, where most people didn’t have a lot of money to spend on upgrades and often would require donations and coordination on the map to upgrade locations.
SBI might get a chance if the RNG rolls high and FA rolls low; but wild swings of a full tier are highly unlikely now.
I’m hoping they tweak the RNG back to allow that. It was too much before. Bottom of T3 should not face top of T1; but as it is now it’s highly unlikely you’ll see TC drop down that much.
Match stagnation will probably weigh down on TC anyhow. They will be facing FA and an uneven rotation of SBI, SoS, and Mag (maybe even YB, we’ll see) well into the forseeable future.
As it is, they rely upon CERN’s 80+ zerg along with their decent EU (do RP’rs tend to be unemployed?) to keep their current position. Either one of those factors declines, and you’ll see a well balanced T2-T3.
Yeah because your server is the only one who celebrates holidays, stop with the excuses
. SoS has been hurting over the holiday period with raiding guilds as I’m sure a lot of others have also been
I havent seen SoS come out in force since the weekend other than your Ocx guys, your EU and NA are no where to be found.
http://i.qkme.me/35jjkv.jpg
(except for that mysterious 80m SEA map blob)Translation: Screw you guys, I’m going
hometo T4.
Anyone who thinks this is typical for SoS either slept through last week or is delusional.
Our Aussies like to go on summer vacation for Christmas and we have a lot of NA commanders who are out for the holidays and other reasons. We’ll resume with your regularly scheduled whuppins next week.
. Once another good MMO with devs that actually CARE about the player base is released
ANet is actually playing very good odds about this never happening.
With the costs of producing large games, especially MMO’s increasing; it’s increasingly unlikely you’ll see games like this come out that see a dedication to PvP.
Of course there is a huge opportunity for another company here; to produce another large scale PvP based game on a similar scale.
(forget going on about ESO, even if they “fix” some of the problems here; they will have the same PvE focus and eventual crap sandwich.)
It all comes down to money and the development work being value added towards the final product.
Here’s some facts that glossed things over:
1. The level progression was too easy. Lvl 80 was the norm at 2 weeks after release.
2. The gear progression was too simple. Crafting was not hard to master, and dungeon gear was not difficult to achieve either.
3. Population and transfers should have been managed to reflect WvW; the only factor that really mattered in the end.
A lot of simple things could improve this game right now; but it’s already late in the afternoon in this game’s lifespan thanks to the decisions already made.
Nothing short of a major expansion, with extensive PvE and PvP content can really revive GW2 at this point.
Let me throw in for SoS again.
Having SEA timezone commanders has been on our “wishlist” for a while now as we have a good-sized WvW population at these times but few commanders. We have only one commander who tags up (we have guilds that run tagless during SEA) and he would love to have someone else who’s willing to split our groups up so we can maximize our efforts as opposed to having one giant karma train.
So if you are looking to where you can make the most impact, I’d say you’d find the best success on SoS.
I still want a match with EBay. Glad we could try out SoS though
Why do guys want a match with EBay?? You know they aren’t a T3 server, right?
EhmBay has a T3 class NA presence, plus they probably want an easier week. The only reason they are close this week is YB’s complete drop off the radar during the holiday.
Maguuma got to be there when DB fell flat on it’s face, and now get’s FA the week they stumbled; and their PvF has officially broken the will of the mods.
Maguuma is having it’s best run ever.
I see a lot of snark has set in. The natural result of a match where no one did as well as they hoped they would. SBI needed that clutch win to change the perception, YB had a huge holiday drop off, and SoS managed to lose enough points to make this rematch all to likely again in the future.
The only hope is that SBI got enough points that they can get some face time with TC, who have been dying to meet them.
That way next week YB can sit in their towers while SoS and Maguuma can get the open field fights they crave.
Oh, and with the forums gone we won’t get to hear about how much our roamers stink.
This week is very interesting, but tbh i almost miss Mag’s PvF
You must have sensed the disturbance in the force as I was writing my post (same time).
Nope, all around Christmas cheer in this match.
Maguuma would take down Santa and talk about what bad roamers the reindeer are, while saying Rudolph is running perplexity runes and has no real skill.
SBI, delivering Xmas ppt to their members or Godless heathens who have expanded the war on Christmas to WvW? Tonight on the Factor.
Merry Christmas one and all!
(edited by Chris.3290)
Patronizing…maybe.
Yet it’s obvious that SBI is hitting below it’s weight class.
I heard about the golem rush though, nicely done.
Our militia is showing up and yours isn’t, it’s that simple. outside of that your servers seems only interested in eb when yb camps your home so numbers is sbi problem not sos.
Militia is back in EB, prob cause it seems the only place we have a tag, at least during NA 5-10pm server. All other maps from my experience are quiet so it’s either go EB, get rolled by opposing zergs, or go back to PvE.
Looks like a lot of chosen to go back to PvE as we don’t even have Q’s on EB.
SBI seems to have a huge fairweather problem. Most servers have one to one degree or another, but this is epidemic.
To be fair we came out of the gate (restless from 12 straight weeks of T1 + TC) gunning for SBI expecting you guys to be the bigger threat.
That being said, SoS hasn’t karma trained anyone in NA in over a year. This is partly YB’s fault for hiding in their towers; but this is kinda skilly.
Just don’t fall beneath DB, I can’t stand their SEA coverage.
Oh really Copernicus?
Your meme is ancient, your argument is not acceptable.
dear YB: there is another server to go after.
Their early morning weekday crew apparently got the memo
My beloved waypoints!!!!!
After weeks of T1 and TC we finally had them back, and you had to go and do this!
All in good fun I guess but it’s painful that I’m busy all this week when usually I’d be glad to be messing stuff up at this time.
lol nah they must have gotten bored since they took everything on sbi
I’d like to put this nicely, but since there is no way… we take turns taking everything on SBI.
It’ll be interesting the rest of the week to see how this shapes up.
With all due acknowledgement that no server is really going to be it’s “normal” self this week; I think YB is going to be the determinator this week. SoS would win if all is equal, but if YB does not have many people with extended holiday commitments it could go down to the waning hours on Friday.
dear YB: there is another server to go after.
Their early morning weekday crew apparently got the memo
My beloved waypoints!!!!!
After weeks of T1 and TC we finally had them back, and you had to go and do this!
All in good fun I guess but it’s painful that I’m busy all this week when usually I’d be glad to be messing stuff up at this time.
I missed reset so I don’t know what YB are like during NA but the above is soooo not the case during OCX.
Dear Yaks, we don’t even want your stuff. Just come out and fight us outside of AC range. Pretty please?
Given the respective numbers I am not surprised that our oceanic crew are bunkered up!
Your OCX, SEA, EU, and NA you meant to say.
Our Oceanic commanders are drawing straws on which one will be the unlucky one who gets to take a prybar to YB BL.
Compare to SBI BL that got papered in NA.
I’m honestly surprised SBI has stayed ahead of YB this long given how hard it is to take anything on their BL
Strong showing from SBI but losing overnight seems to have taken some wind out of their sails. It’s almost like the T4 days where they dominate EB and let the rest rot.
YB is a breath of fresh air. I like you guys now, no longer hiding behind walls 24/7 (though you still like your siege) and you like to tussle now and again.
I think it had to do with the discussion on where to move the discussion because they don’t want a discussion here. I personally think that if they want positive talk here they should be happy the rowdier discussions were organized elsewhere.
I was impressed by the Abys Zerg & friends on SoSBl. Looked like YB had to leave our map early to deal with SBI rushing their BL so didn’t see much.
That was probably SoS’s most chaotic reset in months. Only 4 guilds had their drivers on at reset so we didn’t greet T3 as warmly as we would have liked.
The shenanigans will find a new venue. In the meantime we can still talk about this match.
I was impressed with FA last week but they really kicked it into overdrive this week. Those PPT driving float teams are really paying off and should be part of a primer for any server that wants to win despite a numbers difference.FA didn’t do anything special, most of the main TC commanders aren’t commanding much and on TC this greatly effects population volume. I haven’t had the time to command myself lately and until recently I was pulling some crazy shifts here and there. That 20k lead wouldn’t be there if our regular Borderland/EB commanders were leading like we typically do. Congratulations to FA, enjoy your victory, if I get more time I hope to get some good fights in with you in future matches, always a fun fight!
You heard it here folks. FA only won because TC commanders were taking a break. Now we can go back to our normal programming of making fun of #Magswag and their 3rd matchup thread this week. Will they make it to 5 by reset?? Find out tonight!
I’ve heard that some FA commanders have been pulling 3x their normal shifts this week, and are quite grumpy and tired…. At any rate such overtime is worthy of the win.
Like I said though… dont burn yourselves out just for one win.also I see no tears here. Where are the tears?
It doesn’t matter how they pulled it off. It’s an impressive win and no post-mortem can detract from that.
FA and SoS have positive mojo momentum greater than TC’s right now. I think the time is coming (hopefully sooner rather than later) that all three servers stand an excellent chance of winning and simply the one that focuses on ppt is the one that wins (keep the scores close and keep those T3 scrubs out of the matches).
This week has been good fun.
Ending it on a bit of an odd note, right now, CS of FA and MEOW of SoS both attacking Klov at the same time. CS on the Hill, with cata, Meow in the swamp, with catas. Classy.
MEOW of SoS? I must have missed that return.
The shenanigans will find a new venue. In the meantime we can still talk about this match.
I was impressed with FA last week but they really kicked it into overdrive this week. Those PPT driving float teams are really paying off and should be part of a primer for any server that wants to win despite a numbers difference.
We’re told that WvW is not supposed to be fair and that it’s meant to be competitive; but then we aren’t allowed to talk about it?
This isn’t Fight Club.
I think it was a generalized statement to just close any thread that features Mag.
Just in case people want to blame the symptom and not the disease.
It’s conventional wisdom that letting the fanbase dictate your decision processes is generally a bad idea. Given the number of bad ideas put forward on this forum on a daily basis, it seems to be backed by a cornucopia of examples.
However, the way the fanbase is being disregarded rather shocking. I can go down a list, that I know the devs are aware of; of functionality widely asked for, hinted at or planned in the early stages, or that people have been flat out begging for.
Home instances: we got a Obelisk Shard; because 30 feet outside Hoelbrak is just too far to transmute a limited item that’s not standard in the game.
No trophy room, no crafting at home, nothing.
Guild capes: nope
GvG: Treated almost hostilely until an ANET member publicly embarrassed himself, and then changes happened very quickly. Still not really part of the game and totally fan organized (which will be harder with matchup forums removed).
Polymock and mini-pet arena: I don’t really miss these; but they are examples of work began then abandoned.
Now forums are going away that take away any interaction between members of the opposing servers. We can all agree that this frequently devolves into childish bickering and antics; but most forms of competition feature similar outbursts.
From Football to Chess, any form of competitive endeavor features poor sports, talking of smack, and Jimmies rustled.
It’s simply good for the game.
2 weeks of SBI vs Maguuma is all it took to to make the moderators breakdown.
Nice job breaking it!
if YOU (NA) transferred to them (Oc/SEA/EU/w/e), that would also help balance things, no?
All the <T1 servers that have decent overnight presences are lacking in NA. SoS; DB, CD, and IoJ are all under-performing their night coverage due to having a lower than average NA compared to their contemporaries.
Think how it is on the other foot for SEA and Oceanic? You think they like busting all night to do upgrades, only see them vanish early NA because no one is on?
Hammer trains backed by Guardians are very powerful. However, neither of the most common builds for these playstyles pumps out much damage and they put out very little conditions.
This meta has to include mesmers for veils (a hammer train seen coming is very easy to dodge) eles for heals, might, and DPS; and Necros for the well spikes + condition spam.
Rangers, engis, and thieves…yeah; not really much of a meta for them. Rangers and thieves should scout and roam. Engis…yeah, not a lot going for them.
Nice open field ballista and arrow carts FA, really showing off those siege skills y’all have, all that silver league practice.
This coming from a server that drops an AC if they stop to farm an iron node.
Best post of the week…or last week for that matter.
I think…(dangerous territory with TC, he might be RP’ing); he’s implying that SoS and FA have some sort of behind the scenes going on against them. Ignoring the fact that we generally don’t like each other and the fact that TC is the server that won last week; we SHOULD be focusing on them as that’s how the game is played by people who aren’t blubbering simpletons.
I think retaliation is fine how it is but if you wanted to add a cooldown, you’d have to increase the damage by quite a bit.
Actually, that would do quite a bit towards eliminating the “spike damage” meta used mostly by thieves and d/d eles.
But then, there’s already too much reward for zerging.
About late SEA timezone.. Is it possible if FA and SoS stop PvDoor and try to fight or something? So tiring running around maps finding your groups for fights..
/notroll
Why don’t you just get ahead of the PvD train?
We did that against JQ during leagues and they lost their freaking minds when our zerg busted out of inner hills right into their downlevelled karma train.
Of course you aren’t likely to see downlevels from either us or FA; but the concept is the same.
Im saying they have very bad individual skill thats among worst servers I encounter in the game.
To be fair, because Maguuma set the bar so high with our skill level, any server in our tier will appear to be lacking. Like a bunch of cute little puppies trying to run with the big Zerg Dogs.
They said the same about Tier 1.
Apparently nobody comes close to their mad roaming skills and should just uninstall in shame.
I think most intelligent people use different builds for zerging vs roaming.
If you have a group build, you shouldn’t bother trying to take on folks in small numbers.
You are not doing anyone (least of all yourself) any favors if you try to do one or the other with the wrong build(s).
Force respawn at nearest WP after a 30 second timer, WvW only. Fixed and done.
Get back on topic before this gets shutdown. All the “fixed it for you” and re-edits is childish garbage that should stop.