Guild Wars 2

Daecollo.9578:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Daecollo.9578:

Dolyak Signet should reduce incoming damage by 10%, and then we should get a trait that makes the passives of signets better.

Healing Signet: Improves Healing by 50%.
Signet of Might: 50% More Power.
Signet of Stamina: 75% Endurance Regeneration.
Dolyak Signet: 15% Damage Reduction.
Signet of Fury: 50% More Precision.

Stop. Seriously, you’re just being annoying now.
Warriors don’t have to become Guardians to be good.
Let it go and either re-roll a guardian yourself or start contributing something useful towards the Warrior class as an independent class.

I already did, i’m just offering my suggestions.

Of course you are.
Suggesting two changes that would give Warriors identical traits found in a common Guardian build.

Sigh, guess I’ll have to sleep and hope tomorrow you come to your senses and start talking about builds with the rest of us… instead of repetitively stating that Guardians are the new warrior in a variety of unique ways.

Daecollo.9578:

Dolyak Signet should reduce incoming damage by 10%, and then we should get a trait that makes the passives of signets better.

Healing Signet: Improves Healing by 50%.
Signet of Might: 50% More Power.
Signet of Stamina: 75% Endurance Regeneration.
Dolyak Signet: 15% Damage Reduction.
Signet of Fury: 50% More Precision.

Stop. Seriously, you’re just being annoying now.
Warriors don’t have to become Guardians to be good.
Let it go and either re-roll a guardian yourself or start contributing something useful towards the Warrior class as an independent class.

This is to all the warriors that have over 5.5k effective power…
(You can use http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/ to calculate your effective power)
Can you guys please show me either a picture of you completing end-game content or a video (preferable) of you clearing end-game content?

Not talking about low level FotM or CoF1 farming lulz

Thanks! I say a video is preferred because I want to see not only that you can complete it, but also that you complete it and are actually able to use your full power (instead of taking a small AoE and having to resort to ranged w/ full berserker)

If someone can show me a full berserk w/ 5.5k atk+ that can successfully run end-game content (success defined as minimal to no downs and being able to dish out more melee damage than someone w/ more toughness), then I shall definitely try going back full berserk and “learning” how to play.

So far, it seems that all the people who claim that they are still running berserker are either opting too often for ranged or are simply spewing lies while hiding behind build tables and theory crafting.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Yea, that’s what I always think when I Look at shout builds.
This isn’t a build I’m utilizing, just thinking about.
What build do you use?

I have 2 builds mainly (2 gear sets).
One is pure DPS 100% crit 7000 Effective Power while buffing team with Might/Fury/Swift, aka this (Truffle steak+Sup Sharp stone).
The other is this, a safer one I use for “hard” content with 27% DR, 5300 E.Power and still buffs to allies. (Omnom Pie+Maint Oil).

Now that I think about it, the first version has 75% more effective power than a shout build (which nears 4000 if min/max’d), the second 32.5% more.

What happened to the build you mentioned in the other thread…?
Cavalier trinkets

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

The major fail in the shout build is that you sacrifice other very important skills to get 3 shouts.
Endure pain can block even 50k dmg if used properly, I cannot see myself without it.
Balanced stance is very useful too.

Why not just use banners?
They have wider radius, can’t be wasted in overheals like shouts, won’t rob all your utility slots.
On a build like this they heal about 200hp/s which is as much as shout healing heals per second, but you can still use Endure Pain and another utility like FGJ.
Plus you can heal your team and yourself with banner of tactics.

CookMETEnder.7582:

How far behind do you fall of players that are specced for their own damage? Not talking about glass cannons, but people with reasonable toughness?

1500-2000 less Effective Power.
About 20-25% less damage.

Yea, that’s what I always think when I Look at shout builds.
This isn’t a build I’m utilizing, just thinking about.
What build do you use?

You’re a zerker warrior in PvP. That’s where you lost.
Zerker will never beat a bunker build… even a moderately balanced build.

Your preference?
Power, Toughness, Critical Damage (Knight)
VS.
Power, Toughness, Precision (Knight)

Shout Warriors, grant me your wisdom!
I’m thinking of trying out Shout Warriors now, so I would like to see the set up you guys use.
I know the skills (Healing Surge, FGJ, Shake it Off, On my Mark, SoR) but I’m having a little trouble with gear. Here is what I’m looking at now.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|1.1g.h1b|3.1g.h4|1g.77.1g.77.1g.71g.1g.71g.1g.71h.1g.71h|21j.0.31j.0.21j.0.21j.0.31j.0.1i.67|a5.k5a.0.u68c.a5|54.7|e

The accessories aren’t set, I just filled them up and left it like that.
What do you think would be the best accessories?
Berserker, Cavalier, or Knight?

How far behind do you fall of players that are specced for their own damage? Not talking about glass cannons, but people with reasonable toughness?

Just curious

So, do you guys prefer Knight or Berserker?

So other warriors that have yet to comment, what are you guys doing?
Curious.
Also, who is honestly re-rolling to Guardian?
Not going to lie, I regret choosing Warrior over Guardian when I started, but I’ve invested too much in my Warrior to quit so I’ll be hoping for some good patches in the future~

TooBz.3065:

In response to the aggro issue, I run a mix of knights and beserkers. In dungeons I find that everyone aggros on me. It’s very difficult to stay alive, especially since they nerfed the food.

That’s not what I was asking about xD
Someone said that running full Knight’s was a curse because of aggro.
What does that mean…?
That you have to run full Knight or that Knight’s causes more aggro? xD

I run full Knight regardless

Wethospu.6437:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Wethospu.6437:

I will keep going with full glass GS + Axe/X, with Omnomberry Ghosts.

X depending on situation or whatever you can find? That’s really broad lol
How do you handle 35+ Fractals with a double melee set?
Thanks for your input~
—

I have been just in F30. Then I stopped because it was still so boringly easy (and I don’t like Agony at all).
But if it gets too tough I can always swap to ranged and faceroll at range.

Wait… that makes no sense lol..
You stopped going further into Fractals because the earlier levels were too easy?
Sigh, I wish there was a good melee alternative to stick too even when things get sticky lol.. I’m seeing some of the Guardian builds and wow…

This has been nothing but a troll thread.

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

I ran my daily frac 30 with my usual 20/20/0/10/20 build, full zerk w/ cavalier trinkets, boon runes, omnom pies… worked as usual.
Well-timed EP/Surge plus 344hp/s kept me alive as usual.

If your build only worked with uncapped food then it was a really bad build, or… a bad player.

What boon runes?
Monk/Water/other for the boon duration increase?

No need for the second part man, we’re trying to avoid all altercations here.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Build;

20/30/20/0/0

That build offers many options when its comes to weapon choice, traits also depends on them

Utilities:

Healing signet, endure pain, balance stance, signet of stamina, and naturally signet of rage

Gear:

Armor:

Basically chest, legs and helm are knight, rest is zerk

Weapons: PTV

Trinkets: Ascended promotes zerk, so i use em, i decided to pick up the rings with 17 vit tho, always helping a bit with ptv weps.

Runes: 6x forge, protection helps really much.

Sigils: Generosity, purity for melees weps, blood for ranged

Boost:

Oil
Outdated omno pie
25 prec stack

Even after nerf i still do fine, naturally i cant stay in melee range as long as i used to be, but its not that bad yet.

20k hp, 3,2k attack, nearly close to 3k defense, 46% crit dmg, 73% crit chance using boosts (without fury) and 50% without any boost while using gs with a lil condition removal from sigil, and protection that tells u when to move back

So far works pretty well for me

Thats hows its looks, works pretty well for me.

Hey, cool setup!
A lot beefier than I would ever go, but still, nice!
Do you find the extra vitality useful? I thought the natural HP pool of warrior was enough?

Also, does anyone know the max boon duration warriors can achieve?
If I’m not mistaken, it is 30% from traits and 45% from runes, right?

Saulius.8430:

+90% might duration (30% trait 60% runes), Lung Capacity(-20% shout cd), Vigorous Shouts(shouts heal), Inspiring Shouts(adrenaline) , Adrenal Reserves (cheaper burst skills), 5s weapon swap + longbow = perma fire field might fest.

go go power ranger

Water, Monks, and what else?
Wait… 60% from runes? I was under the impression that it was 15% from the duos…
Can someone correct me?

Wethospu.6437:

I will keep going with full glass GS + Axe/X, with Omnomberry Ghosts.

X depending on situation or whatever you can find? That’s really broad lol
How do you handle 35+ Fractals with a double melee set?
Thanks for your input~

Sito.6352:

1. Yes, I doubt that there will be people playing in full zerker armor. I won’t be doing it anymore, because I run level 35+ fractals.

2. I’m thinking about going P/V/T gear now, along with knight/berzeker accesoires (depends on sustain with just P/V/T gear) and 10/30/30/0/0 or 10/30/0/30 traits. Will do some theorycrafting later to see which is the best solution. I’m not really that good in creating builds, so I will definately keep a close eye on the forums to see what builds other people create.

3. No idea really, probably precision/crit food.

Is P/V/T a good option? I always thought that vitality was wasted on warriors.
I have a full set of Knight and Berserker’s that I used to swap between… recently I"ve been running full Knight and Cavalier accessories all w/ ruby haha
Cool, thanks for your input!

Moderator edit: we removed the part of your post quoting a deleted one

Meh, finished a rather boring class… got some free time in the library…
Well, it looks like wars are still going on in the Warrior forums, so let’s try to keep arguing out of this one lol…

1. Do you think preferred armor will change?
What do you think is the better armor to use?

I know even before the patch there was a lot of fights over this, but what do you guys personally think about it?
Some have said Full Berserker while others say Full Knight. Yet others will say that a “ideal” mix of the two is best.
I think I read someone say that Knight’s is a curse because more toughness = aggro?
How does that work out? I’m honestly curious lol…s

2. Builds
Has anyone made a new build that allows sustained DPS with each set of weapons?
Is anyone working on one?
If anyone successfully tests one on 35+ fractals, please share!

3. Food
What food do you guys prefer to use now?

Leo G.4501:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Leo G.4501:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Im running on 1,7k toughness with forge runes on 20k hp, i need to get more?

My friend that plays guardian running in full zerk gear, has maybe 12k hp at best and can survive far longer than i do, i understand everything is ok?

I dunno. Are you dying? If you are, then you need to practice.

I hardly dying, i just moves to rifle when things goes bad for me, but i wants to stay in melee entire time like guardians does. IT IS HARD TO GET?

So you want to 1-2-1 with one weapon all day? It can be done, it’s just not always easy.

You seem to be dodging as well.
It’s not a matter of 1-2-1.
It’s a matter of being able to stay in melee long enough to utilize all our skills.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Oglaf.1074:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Leo G.4501:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Im running on 1,7k toughness with forge runes on 20k hp, i need to get more?

My friend that plays guardian running in full zerk gear, has maybe 12k hp at best and can survive far longer than i do, i understand everything is ok?

I dunno. Are you dying? If you are, then you need to practice.

I hardly dying, i just moves to rifle when things goes bad for me

Nailed it.

Melee Warriors are the new melee Thieves in PvE. The only difference before was that thanks to your cleave+Pies we could sustain ourselves where Thieves can’t. Now that has changed.

But with heavy armor which apparently means nothing, right? xD

I asked u about something, mind u to answer me?

I agree. Seems like he’s dodging now that he knows he’s wrong.
Also I rather have stealth over a heavy armor character with no sustainability beyond it.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Leo G.4501:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Im running on 1,7k toughness with forge runes on 20k hp, i need to get more?

My friend that plays guardian running in full zerk gear, has maybe 12k hp at best and can survive far longer than i do, i understand everything is ok?

I dunno. Are you dying? If you are, then you need to practice.

I hardly dying, i just moves to rifle when things goes bad for me, but i wants to stay in melee entire time like guardians does. IT IS HARD TO GET?

Exactly. Not even 100% melee… I want to stay enough to actually get adequate use out of my melee weapons. Crit foods allowed that. W/ full knight/cavalier (ruby), AoE was still hitting me quite hard. Crit food + dodges let me use my melee reasonably.
Without crit food, I feel like I get to poke the mobs leg then run behind a rock and shoot at it.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Awesome, sure xD Now be a good boy and do the maths and see how much is 10% in a fight. Unless you have protection up, it’s not really worth it, and if you waste an utility slot on it you lose either stability/stun breaker or condition removal or protection buff. I’m sorry but I won’t do this to my tank xD

Im sure that CookMETEnder and Oglaf wants to see u in action. I wants to see that too.
So how about meeting in arah or fractals 30+ and u show us hows good u tank? Prove us we need l2p.

I second this solution.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Awesome, sure xD Now be a good boy and do the maths and see how much is 10% in a fight. Unless you have protection up, it’s not really worth it, and if you waste an utility slot on it you lose either stability/stun breaker or condition removal or protection buff. I’m sorry but I won’t do this to my tank xD

Oglaf.1074:

Anything that deals with percent rather than a fixed number is awesome. It is kitten well better than 80 Toughness on Dolyak Signet, that’s for sure.

Think Oglaf put it nicely.
Cry more hahaha

Ravenmoon.5318:

I think the only incompetent person here are you the ones whining o.O
I’m pretty sure you diss the warrior as viable tank because you can’t really play it. Of course it’s a lot easier on guardi since the profession is focused toward survivability, and technically its obvious that guardian is better, on paper. But you miss one major point, the player skill.
Also what makes you think that most guardians actually use the 10% reduction signet o.O
I have yet to see a guardian having that signet in the buff bar xD You are hillarious.
One big learn2play for all of you

You truly are stupid. Please learn to read. This is a learn2read issue for you.
You said show me a build and you’ll find a way to beat it.
I said that if you just plainly stacked anything that looks defensive, like the 10% sig, than a guardian would easily out-tank a warrior.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions about you. You have never played an end-game warrior and you are incapable of competent thought. Have a good one, troll~

Ravenmoon.5318:

Give me guardian build and I’ll tell you how a good warrior can outperform that

Haha, I love how you suddenly tweak your statement.
Oh, when did it become outperform rather than out-tank?
Give you a build? Are you incapable of doing something as simple as that?
Look at guardian skills and just pick whatever you think a pure tank (which is rarely utilized) would do, and explain to me how a warrior would outdo it.
Seeing how even a signet gives 10% damage reduction, don’t even know how you’ll even get anywhere close.

Stelli.3607:

So you are angry because you are dealing more damage than guardians but you don’t have the same tankyness as you call it?
If you want to survive longer battles you now have to make your build around that rather than going full zerker and using a food to get absurd healing.

I think you’ve never played a warrior end-game so you shouldn’t be talking.
Warriors did not have much viable survivability beyond food.
It’s not a matter of surviving longer… it’s a matter of surviving at all unless we hit once and go ranged for the next minute.

Ravenmoon.5318:

You guys do realize that tanky warrior is actually more tanky than a guardian right? So basically ANet gave you the 2 extremes, and you still complain for lack of versatility o.O

Not to mention that shout healer warrior heals more than a guardian if built right on shorter reuse time, and banner warrior is really great to have in a group.

Now if your playstyle is to go full glass cannon and hope to kill before getting killed, I don’t see why you are here whining about lack of versatility

Just my 2 cents lol

PS: Also these days I find myself playing hammer on my warrior alt because of the CC superiority. And coming from a guardian who HATES the hammer there, I think the warrior hammer is great.

Kill Shot on the rifle is pretty bad skill, and if it crits it basically kills.

Do you realize that you should stop posting if you’re going to spew utter nonsense?
It’s been known for quite some time that Warrior is tankier in terms of raw stats.
Guardians tanking capabilities come from their skills. A guardian with his boons up will out-tank a warrior. It’s not even close.

Ravenmoon.5318:

Scoobaniec.9561:

Ravenmoon.5318:

You guys do realize that tanky warrior is actually more tanky than a guardian right?

Hahahahahahahahaha

I suppose you haven’t seen a good bunker warrior. A good bunker warrior, wouldn’t just stay in one place and take a beating. But yeah, go ahead facepalm and laugh all you want.

I’ve seen good bunker warriors.
You’re point is? A guardian will just stay in one place and take a beating?
Whatever warrior can do in terms of defense, a guardian can do better.
Learn to play a Guardian before you post. It’s not all about raw stats.

Wethospu.6437:

Only numbers I have seen is that GS does more damage than Axe. However, GS Skill 1 < Axe Skill 1 so it matter how often you can use HB. And that is not trivial.

and by “how often,” you would have to use it every single time the instant it is off CD.

Wethospu.6437:

CookMETEnder.7582:

You argue and play solely with diction which makes me wonder if you are seriously seeking to learn about this build, or just trolling.
No, my realistic situation is what others often find themselves facing.
The purpose of this build was primarily high end fractals.
When do you “often” fight one enemy besides bosses?
“Quite often” means majority? No?
I know both exist, I even stated that I use GS as well.

It seems you are so hell bent on winning a conversation over actually learning from it.

Bosses make quite big part in dungeons/fractals. It’s not something you can simply choose to ignore.
Yes, there are many situations with multiple enemies in fractals. But how you can be so sure that GS loses in those situations? (or that the difference isn’t just negligible)

The thing is, either I need to trust you or you need to give me some proof.
Perhaps I just fail to see it (just done F30), perhaps there is nothing to see. That’s what I would like to know.

I seriously don’t understand you. You continue to accuse me of ignoring, yet I do not ignore those situations. I specifically stated boss a few times, AND repetitively state that I do, in fact, utilize both greatsword and axe/axe. Do you leave out half the words when reading?

The numbers have been given to you, all you need to do is try equipping an axe/axe for those mob fights. You seem so hell bent on going only Greatsword. It’s a great weapon, but it’s always more efficient to switch between multiple weapons.

So, when you guys say shout builds, what build specifically are you referring to?
Can you guys post some links?

The only detailed and well-written Shout Build I’ve ever read was the Sonic Boon build. I never really liked it, but I guess I might have to try running it since nothing else is viable at the moment. (Don’t even try saying Zerker… you dodge roll a few times then you’re forced to run away and Rifle for a few hours ;D… unless pure ranged haha)

Do you guys all incorporate Monks, Waters, etc. into your shout builds?
How much are they? I’m still downloading the patch as my initial attempt corrupted my games T_____T
With my Full Knight (ruby) and Full Cavalier (ruby) that I was using for end-game Fractals… I feel like a Guardian more and more…

Harrier.9380:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Lol, I wouldn’t mind buying a Bolt now
The only reason I decided not to before was because it was utterly worthless even though it looked cool…
I guess I’ll still wait though and see how things work out…

Good thing I invested in a sexy bow skin

Uhh hope you don’t take me too seriously, wouldn’t want you to waste money :P

Haha don’t worry
I love the sword, but it has never been useful to me.. even in guild wars 2 T_T…
I always went Hammer for PvP, and Axe for PvE haha

Lighter.5631:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Lol, I wouldn’t mind buying a Bolt now
The only reason I decided not to before was because it was utterly worthless even though it looked cool…
I guess I’ll still wait though and see how things work out…

Good thing I invested in a sexy bow skin

Sword is still useless

I can always hope T_T…
Someday… sword will be good… then I’ll buy one haha

Lol, I wouldn’t mind buying a Bolt now
The only reason I decided not to before was because it was utterly worthless even though it looked cool…
I guess I’ll still wait though and see how things work out…

Good thing I invested in a sexy bow skin

What are you guys going to do with builds after crit foods were nerfed?
(I’ll probably just WvWvW with my Hammer/Great Sword build and farm karma lol)

Some interesting things that came to mind:

1. Pure Zerker Builds
Screwed. The guys that went pure zerker had only Omnom Ghost to sustain them.

2. Viability of all classes/builds with this nerf?
I personally ran Great Sword / Axe/Axe in Fractals. I always have 32~38% damage reduction so I know I’m beefy enough, but Omnom Ghost was still always a huge part of the set up.

3. Ranged builds rise?
I posted a thread about how ranged warrior was a solid build because your distance is your survive mechanism and you can maintain constant DPS… perhaps they will become more used? Who knows…

4. Warriors in General
Regardless of glass cannon or tank, ranged or melee, most people relied heavily on crit foods. Not only warrior builds, but other class builds have been decimated by this. What do you guys think will be a new way to spec/trait?
Which leads me into…

5. Sonic Boon Build
I honestly thought this build was utterly useless. In my opinion, those few heals weren’t that great (except to learn about shout ranges and positioning with your party). With the recent patch, do you think this build will become more common?
Or, will the small heals still be considered relatively worthless?

Overall, I’m honestly not too bummed out. I’ve been focusing more and more on Hammer/Greatsword WvWvW builds and have been having a blast (up to 850k karma now lol). I guess I’ll continue with that until things settle down and some people rise out of the ashes to create the next generation of builds

Stay strong warriors! Don’t abandon ship! There is still hope yet!
… and don’t re-roll Guardian >:P

Wethospu.6437:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Wethospu.6437:

And does “realistic” situation mean all targets moving out of range during HB but all targets staying close during WA?
How do you ensure it is really a realistic situation instead of a random situation which favors your builds (as was with WA healing)?
I really wish I could just believe what you say but after seeing you so zealously defend this build it is hardly possible.

Zealously defend? No, mate, I’m zealously bashing your zealous defense of your hatred for this build. I have just recently begun to utilize this build (although I went more defense in gear) for 35+ fractals to great success. I actually run Axe/Axe/Greatsword right now (switching into ranged for certain bosses).

Realistic? Come on, this shouldn’t even need to be explained if you have ever played in Fractals.
If another player has aggro, HB won’t do you any good.
Many mob pulls have more than 3.
Not necessarily out of range of your weapon, but not in a good position. With GS, you have to wait until the mobs stop moving in order to guarantee that you will be landing all your HB hits. If you use it while they are moving, you always run the risk of them moving slightly out of or to the side of your “range.” Little things like that cut into DPS significantly over time. With axe, you can just keep swinging away regardless.

If you’re doing PvP, GS is better hands down.
If you’re fighting a immobile target, GS is better.
If they monsters/mobs are moving, Axe/Axe is better.

So you admit that zealous part, weird.
Anyways this is exactly what I was talking about. Your “realistic” situation is simply biased. Quite often there are just one enemy, quite often enemies stand still, snared or cced so that you can beat them senseless.
Both situations exist. Some of you just often seem to conveniently forget the latter.

You argue and play solely with diction which makes me wonder if you are seriously seeking to learn about this build, or just trolling.
No, my realistic situation is what others often find themselves facing.
The purpose of this build was primarily high end fractals.
When do you “often” fight one enemy besides bosses?
“Quite often” means majority? No?
I know both exist, I even stated that I use GS as well.

It seems you are so hell bent on winning a conversation over actually learning from it.

MrDaylight.1597:

CookMETEnder.7582:

9 days ago man, come on now.

Ahh sorry but found the thread through google – would hate your error to have been preserved uncorrected for future searchers like me !

Ah okay xD
True, true, thanks!

Sanel.5603:

I use, 10, 0, 0, 30, 30 shouter build on dual axe on lvl 40+ fractals, my gear is full zerker.

Er… how does that work out?
Can you link?

MrDaylight.1597:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Yea, it seems that the Sonic Boon build relies heavily on every single rune used, but that becomes an issue with ascended accessories, or so I have heard. The author of the Sonic Boon build completely ignored this three times throughout the thread, so I’m assuming he has no answer for it..

Sonic Boon uses 6 specific armour runes that are crucial to the build. Accessories, ascended or otherwise, don’t impact that. I guess the author got bored of telling you this when its made very clear on the very good post here

9 days ago man, come on now.
Also, Sonic Boon is ineffective high level fractals.
It’s far more effective for individual members to invest slightly more in toughness than for one person to invest heavily into small burst heals.
It’s a great build to learn and play with early on, but yea… I much prefer a banner warrior on my team.

The way PvE is right now, DPS is king.
If they made CC more of a necessity, it would be more fun and hammer would play a bigger role… as it is…
Hammer is best saved for PvP where it is king (well, in conjunction w/ GS lol)

Oglaf.1074:

The problem with Burst skills is that all it takes is 20 Trait points to make saving your Adrenaline being the more attractive option. 9% Critical Hit Chance and a whooping 12% damage boost for being at full Adrenaline?

Yes please!

Not to mention Healing Surge: blowing your Adrenaline on a Burst is potentially dangerous because your healing becomes a lot weaker afterwards.

You can solve this w/ traits that grant adrenaline w/ weapon, change, crit hit, certain weapon, etc.
But yea…

Wethospu.6437:

And does “realistic” situation mean all targets moving out of range during HB but all targets staying close during WA?
How do you ensure it is really a realistic situation instead of a random situation which favors your builds (as was with WA healing)?
I really wish I could just believe what you say but after seeing you so zealously defend this build it is hardly possible.

Zealously defend? No, mate, I’m zealously bashing your zealous defense of your hatred for this build. I have just recently begun to utilize this build (although I went more defense in gear) for 35+ fractals to great success. I actually run Axe/Axe/Greatsword right now (switching into ranged for certain bosses).

Realistic? Come on, this shouldn’t even need to be explained if you have ever played in Fractals.
If another player has aggro, HB won’t do you any good.
Many mob pulls have more than 3.
Not necessarily out of range of your weapon, but not in a good position. With GS, you have to wait until the mobs stop moving in order to guarantee that you will be landing all your HB hits. If you use it while they are moving, you always run the risk of them moving slightly out of or to the side of your “range.” Little things like that cut into DPS significantly over time. With axe, you can just keep swinging away regardless.

If you’re doing PvP, GS is better hands down.
If you’re fighting a immobile target, GS is better.
If they monsters/mobs are moving, Axe/Axe is better.

Wethospu.6437:

CookMETEnder.7582:

Dub.1273:

So after spending a few hours testing in PvP i can definitely say that GS is dealing more damage than Axe. There is no matter of how many targets you are hitting or if the Quickness @ 25% Health from the GS build is on recharge or not. I’ve tested it also with 100b only landing 7 hits (not the final one) and the GS still offers more damage.
Used 20/30/0/0/20 Build on GS and 30/10/0/0/30 (and 20/20/0/0/30 on a few tests).
The average time for killing a heavy golem when hitting 2-3 targets was 24 seconds, with full 100b on recharge. Same on Axe, the average is 36,33 seconds. When only hitting a single target, GS’s average time is 34,5 seconds with full 100b. 36,67 seconds on average when canceling the last 100b strike, whilst hitting one target. The average time on Axe when hitting only 1 target is 37,25 seconds (even if it should be same time as when hitting multiple targets, has just been some less crits i guess).

So now, please anyone here, show me how the hell an Axe Warrior is dealing more damage than a GS Warrior. I’ve heard a slightly higher DPS can be reached with axe, when canceling the autoattack chain after the second attack and let it start from beginning. But seriously, who is able to always interrupt it without loosing time with attacking nothing.

Edit: I’ve seen guys talking about the math’s behind that all. Been using the “skill activation times” to calculate with? If so, the whole calculation isn’t worth a penny.

You’re doing it wrong lol
Just search through or ask someone good at it like Red Falcon to show you the math.
Anyways though, why are you stating this? (Unless this is specifically what you do in PvP).

I find Hammer/GS (GS more for positioning and a very rare HB if someone is stupid enough to stay in Bolas) the best combination for kills
Hammer is just so imba

Really… he just showed you a test which you can go easily test by yourself if you doubt it.
This may come as a shocker but actual tests are much closer to real situation than doing math with wrong values (quite many people seem to do this, Red Falcon too), which he also addressed in his post.

This may come as a shocker, but if you read the forum, we’ve been talking about utilizing axe/axe because it offers better DPS in realistic PvE situations.
He tested in PvP, and on top of that, a target which he can hit the majority of his HB with.

This may come as a shocker, but if I tasted an apple and told you oranges tasted good.. well.. ya know~

Are you seeking an end-game build or a leveling build?

Berserker in PvP is not a great idea, especially for someone getting back into guild wars 2..
I use Full Knight w/ ruby and Cavalier accessories w/ ruby, and I’m kind of at a toughness/defense threshold for PvP / WvWvW lol

Also, not sure about the Karma 0_0… I haven’t used a single drop of karma… my warriors have 600k and 252k respectively lol.. still trying to find a way to get maximum profit per karma haha

Dub.1273:

So after spending a few hours testing in PvP i can definitely say that GS is dealing more damage than Axe. There is no matter of how many targets you are hitting or if the Quickness @ 25% Health from the GS build is on recharge or not. I’ve tested it also with 100b only landing 7 hits (not the final one) and the GS still offers more damage.
Used 20/30/0/0/20 Build on GS and 30/10/0/0/30 (and 20/20/0/0/30 on a few tests).
The average time for killing a heavy golem when hitting 2-3 targets was 24 seconds, with full 100b on recharge. Same on Axe, the average is 36,33 seconds. When only hitting a single target, GS’s average time is 34,5 seconds with full 100b. 36,67 seconds on average when canceling the last 100b strike, whilst hitting one target. The average time on Axe when hitting only 1 target is 37,25 seconds (even if it should be same time as when hitting multiple targets, has just been some less crits i guess).

So now, please anyone here, show me how the hell an Axe Warrior is dealing more damage than a GS Warrior. I’ve heard a slightly higher DPS can be reached with axe, when canceling the autoattack chain after the second attack and let it start from beginning. But seriously, who is able to always interrupt it without loosing time with attacking nothing.

Edit: I’ve seen guys talking about the math’s behind that all. Been using the “skill activation times” to calculate with? If so, the whole calculation isn’t worth a penny.

You’re doing it wrong lol
Just search through or ask someone good at it like Red Falcon to show you the math.
Anyways though, why are you stating this? (Unless this is specifically what you do in PvP).

I find Hammer/GS (GS more for positioning and a very rare HB if someone is stupid enough to stay in Bolas) the best combination for kills
Hammer is just so imba

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

I personally prefer banners when it comes to support.
First off they have 900 radius so they are a lot more likely to apply to all team unlike 600 radius shouts.
Second, regen is constant while shout burst heal loses a lot of its efficiency due to overhealing; every overhealed or out-of-radius shout is a major HP/s loss.
Third, Banner buffs also give the team a good DPS increase (90pow 90 pre 10% crit dmg) that stack with your FGJ/Empower allies.
Fourth, banner users are so rare that you never end up overwriting each other – and in case you do, you can talk with the other Warrior and one of the two can switch to shouts.

It’s also worth nothing that 30% DR / EP help a lot.

I actually agree with this suggestion a lot.
When we run newer members in higher fractals, we often get a banner warrior and a shout warrior. The banner for adrenaline and just it’s overall sexiness, the shout warrior to just put out some extra heals, etc. for the rest.

Buro.3576:

I tried and I don’t like the Axe+Axe set, the DPS is similiar when it comes to killing grub giants in Cursed Shore and the GS3 completely overshadows any benefit the Axe+Axe has over GS.

And I do run with 30% damage reduction on my build aswell.

I did consider 20 0 20 30 0 and having an axe shield + rifle for shaman boss, 3 second invincibility might just be enough to survive through the add phase and axe should be enough to actually kill them off. And turtle defense should also be really good for the add phase since they spam immobilize like crazy.

Have you tried Omnom Ghost with Axe/Axe? That healing has saved my butt quite a few times. The perma 20% crit is awesome too. Why not just go double melee (switching into range before needed boss fights)?

Axe/Shield sounds pretty nice, I can’t comment much though since I only used that in lower fractals. Higher fractals has been pure Axe/Axe and GS (switching into Rifle/LB when I see fit). I tried a hammer once… I personally only use it for WvWvW, but it’s always epic lulz ;D

Depends on whether you are doing PvE or PvP.
In both circumstances, GS burst is useless. I much rather have the extra damage and crit chance from full adrenaline.
For axe, hell yea~ (If you traited in some adrenaline)
Rifle, only PvP
Longbow for both! Awesome to have a combo field
Hammer… I love that F1… in my opinion, thee best burst skill in the game lol

Nuke Morg.1952:

I used GS/rifle for months and loved it (and there is no issue with only 180degree for GS, u just need to learn when and where). Unless GS skills will be changed or ANet will give us Great Axe, I’ll never put GS away. It’s mobility + additional evedas are just crazy (for me GS skill 3 is the best that warrior has from all weapons). But for about a month I’ve changed my secondary weapon set to.. Axe/Axe. GS is the one traited, I use axes to max dmg and life steal. Didnt have cash to buy “the best sigils” so I bought sigil that gives me a chance for frenzy at one of the axes (and 5% cirt chance for a second) and.. I’ve never had better fun playing warrior. I still use rifle for 2 bosses in Fractals, but for the rest of fights just pure melee dps and it’s soooo much fun. My fractal lvl is only 40 (completed) and I’m not sure how it will look like later on, but the healing from omnomberry ghost (also I think I’ll change on of the axes sigils to blood) is crazy. No issues with any fights if I just remember not to go berserk and throw myself alone into mobs (which I just love to do, but yeah it’s not for fractals).

This sounds just about like what I do
Unless it is a pub party, guild/friends are smart enough to know when to stop and let people retrait quickly. I’ll go pure melee until I hit a boss for Fractals

Mesket.5728:

I still never seen a really cleaver DPS build for warriors… one that does not waste 300 stat points on condition damage coming from traits and then use a GS or axes (weapons that doesn’t apply damage conditions). Many people don’t realize they are just wasting 300 stat points right there. 300 stat points ITS A LOT of stats to throw to the garbage. That’s 300 points in which your character is weaker.

(a free T Shirt to the first that pops saying, 33% crit chance to apply bleed lol that doesn’t even start to compensate the amount of stat lost)

It’s more efficient to let the 300 go to waste and just utilize the precision and traits.
Sadly, warrior condition simply sucks. So many better class options and their builds that will do much better in terms of condition damage.

Bailey.6892:

Wondering what amount of toughness one would recomend a warrior have for wvw? I am going to make a friend a new set of armor and was wondering if all berserkers draconic with knights jewelry/guild back pack suffice?

Full Knight w/ Rubys
Full Cavalier Accessories with Rubys
This puts you at like 37% damage reduction I believe.

Weapons: Hammer/Greatsword
Utilities:
6 – Mending (You will always use adrenaline whenever you have F1 up with hammer, so Mending turns out to be a stronger heal… also condition removal which you need
7. Bolas (Let’s you land a full HB)
8. Bull’s Charge
9. Stomp
10. Signet of Rage

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8|2.1g.h4|1.1g.0|1n.a7.1n.a7.1n.a7.1n.a7.1n.a7.1n.a7|1i.67.1i.67.1i.67.1i.67.1i.67.1i.67|u29b.k5a.0.0.k3a|54.7|e

Sigils and foods can be replaced.
Super beefy, tons and tons of stuns, knockdowns, etc. etc…
High combat movement with GS.. and utilize F1 hammer off CD, don’t wait for full bar.

Wethospu.6437:

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

Wethospu.6437:

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“WA can heal up to 15k” which is what says in the OP is a correct statement.
Infact WA can heal not only up to 15k but up to 17k with proper stats.

Let me be straight with you:
When you came here with very rude manners “demanding” for calculations, I was kind enough to make them for you, and yet you kept creating arguments and contesting anything with an arrogant attitude which leads me to believe you just came here to wave some elitism.
And I’m not really interested in that, so you’ll have to continue your show on your own if you so wish.

If I wanted to discuss what OP said I would quote him, not you. What OP says is correct because he understands to put "up to ". What you said " 15k heal every 20 seconds". That’s a huge difference.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that when you claim something you need to back it up, especially if requested. Also I still don’t get how your math proved that WA does 15k healing when you directly that with this build it heals up to 13,6k.
All I’m asking is stop making posts with omitted info. If your numbers need specific conditions then that should be mentioned. I find that very reasonable thing to ask for.

Sir, I think you need to learn how to read.
Go back, read through the comments, and you’ll realize you are making a fool of yourself.
The OP and the person you are arguing with are one in the same.

Wethospu.6437:

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

You call me on bias but I could call you out on the same since you only consider worst situations.
I guarantee you that I’m not, but let’s post some real situations then shall we?
In-game facts cannot be biased.

You were the one who started talking about WA-healing in worst situations. It is quite natural for me to reply within same limits.

CookMETEnder.7582:

Maybe you should learn to read, because this isn’t my primary build, buddy.
If you took the time to pay attention, you would realize that I’ve posted multiple builds that I use, and this is one I’ve recently been testing with great success in 35+ fractals.

How am I supposed to take anything you say seriously when you seem so intent on going against this build?

You were boasting about 15k+ WA-healing which requires 5 targets and extreme stats. I have yet to see anyone saying that their HB does 100k+ damage or shield blocks 50k+ damage. If your situation involves special conditions then you should provide necessary information.
Also I have barely even talked about the build, just addressed faulty claims.

Boasting? We were talking about this build and you came in here wailing like a little baby because it wasn’t a GS build. lmfao. Bye bye