Guild Wars 2

ilr.9675:

I like how OP assumes that most GW players … much less anyone else looking at it … has those Telegraphs memorized or gives a kitten what they are telegraphing.

We don’t even bother memorizing the ones the Corrupted Orr Priests do
(usually b/c we can’t even see them with all the AOE/projectile particle spam in the way)

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Asura #1 all the way. suck it bookah

Dude, this is about PvP not PvE, also when a player with low hp raises one of his
hands it safe to asume that he will use a heal → a good time to interrupt him, or
when a p/p thief (yes there are people who play them) raises both pistols a bit,
he will use unload, etc etc. Things like that are important, belive it or not….

Also the thread is more about the watching aspekt, since if all you can see are
differend colored partices and little ausra jumping around , as if the ground was
lava, it really gets hard to follow what’s going on, especially when you add some
minions and stuff….

Thanks for the fun!

NornBearPig.9814:

Nothing is visually telegraphed except some warrior skills.

Wow, then I really have some heavy delusions which turn out to be true, am I an Esper or something? O_O

1. Get a Team which whom you talk to via Teamspeak.
2. Get ranged AoE weps and the best fotm builds.
3. Be at least at average Turnament lvl.
4. Zerg around.
5. ???
6. Profit

Lol, what an interesting way to view things.^^

Zacchary.6183:

wish.1027:

Galsia.4102:

Bambu.4270:

1) Remove Initiative from normal skills and make skills work like in other professions.
2) Remove Stealth from all skills and make it Initiative-only boon.
3) Add ability to attack while in Stealth.
X) Stealth will go off when your Initiative “charges” are off, like a counter, ya’know?

Your numbering…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGbDEAnDyo

Regarding #3, Backstab is an auto-attack, and auto-attacks have no CDs. How does 7-10k damage repeated instantaneously sound to you?

He’s actually proposing the biggest buff ever to thief… I wonder if he realized that.

o. o ho-ly kitten

Lol, now that’s a fail, and btw there are still people who are crying around about stealth?
Wow, that’s just sad.

What the poster above said, or you could make a build with switness on dodge, and 10
secs swiftness every 21 seconds too. But really now, why don’t you use some teleports?

P/P lacks evasion which is Important for the Thief, and since Body Shot isn’t really a good
skill how about you make a Teleport or an Evasion out of it? How about a short shot
followed by a short sidestep teleport, in a similar manner like the Dimensional Anchor?
Make it about 300 – 600 range, and while we are at it remove one condition?
Also it should port you in the same side you are walking right now, or default to right,
but not forwards or backwards since other skills allready do that.

Unload needs some kind of secundary powers, like flanking strike has.
So maybe 50% more projectile speed, and built in reflection and/or
retaliation immunity?

Schlieffen.2054:

Casters should have the ability to replay previous matches and show slow motion replays from various character perspectives. Teldo escaping from 3 players at mine? Hell yes, I want to see replays of that to see exactly what he did and what the other players were doing to try to catch him. There are so many key parts of these matches, rezzes miliseconds before a stomp for example. Going back to see highlights would be amazing, both for entertainment purposes and for educating viewers to better understand what’s happening during real-time matches in the future.

Idea of the decade, please make this happen A-Net!

Isaac.6041:

Bo3 to Bo5 change favors teams that are good with Forest of Nifhel and Legacy of Foefire while giving a disadvantage to those that have practiced on Battle of Kyhlo.

But CC was definitely the better team on Niflhel, also TP would have lost, if Teldo didn’t
win the 2 v 1, so this point is naugh. Well whatever map 4 should have been Capricon
and 5 Skyhammer, to ensure the ultimate fairness.

Jzaku.9765:

8/10 would read again.

This, but the last one was better.

In a parallel world this Thread wouldn’t even exist.
Sometimes I envy these people.

Car Crakitten <- wut?
Well whatever the game was maximum suspense and the best pvp match i have seen yet.

Tharium.7325:

I’m not talking about the advantages of playing one though, I’m talking about how they are not a good race for spectators to watch.

This, Asura + Particles + AoE Fields + more than 2 players fighting = what is even going on?

VidurrRedhands.1964:

Blind needs to make your screen go black and lose the ability to auto target but still allow you to score hits if you get lucky.

Blind would get even more hate then it did.

Wow man, that’s brilliant!

Ensign.2189:

Cheaper initiative costs just strengthen the perma-cripple abuse case in WvW, which is not where the skill needs power.

Well you allready can do that with DD Caltrops & Caltrops on dodge.

Isn’t that intendet?

Resouled.5614:

S/D:
Again, infiltrator strike is way better at catching your opponent and even flanking strike is somewhat a gapcloser, so why would you use it? It still has use to slow someone again but then again only as last resort if you have infiltrator’s return up, and it’s too far for some flanking strikes and have no steal/other teleports. But again let’s be honest how often does that happen?

It happens all the time, and sometimes DD even kills my enmy off. The only rant I have about that skill is that is way too unreliable, they should make it’s pathing to work like
sb #1, then it would be fine I guess … if they increase it’s dmg a little.

Also it’s nice to slow down those annoying classes who are jumping around all the time (eles,thieves,engies) and it helps to connect LS more reliable.

Grimwolf.7163:

Cyhann.2609:

Grimwolf.7163:

I really think that just moving us over to recharges without Initiative like everyone else would be a massive improvement for the Thief.

No, give Ini to every class, that would be an improvement. CD’s are boring, and also
just picking what is free to do stuff very easily.

And it would be an absolute balancing nightmare. We already have perma-stealth and evade-spam with Thieves. One can only imagine what nightmares other classes would inflict upon the game with similar abilities.
Necros chain-fearing everyone to their deaths, for one.

Well it’s not my nightmare but:
Necro 40 Ini, Fear = 20/30 Ini or something.
If ini regen skills are kept to a minimum it can work out, instead of these you can do an Ini cost reduction traits.
Or mulitble Inibars for different kind of skills.
One for condis, one for evasive stuff, one for raw dmg.

Well, I know that example isn’t good, but there are ways to balance it out, and of course the classes and weapons will never feel the same again, as they did bevore.

Wait didn’t you know that normal weapons are banned from sPvP?
You have to use steady weapons in these games. No wonder ppl cry op all the time.

Test your build in one of these 1 v 1 servers, to see if it really can do stuff or not.

Grimwolf.7163:

I really think that just moving us over to recharges without Initiative like everyone else would be a massive improvement for the Thief.

No, give Ini to every class, that would be an improvement. CD’s are boring, and also
just picking what is free to do stuff very easily.

Lightsbane.9012:

yes the thread is in the right spot.
as a necromancer player, i’m kind of bothered that thief has more access to torment than any other class, one of the ways they access it can be used as long as 4 initiative is available.

Well it may be more acces but it’s not even usefull, it’s a skill on a ranged weaponset
that has to be used in meele, also if you stack Torment 5 times insantly you only have 10 short stacks, and have to use up F1, and Three utility skills, while one was a pre set up trap.
So it doesn’t really work. No need to be upset, since you can cleanse it easily, while the Thief has nothing left, aside from a heal, an elite, and his autoattack, which only provides short duration bleeds. (5 Stacks at best)

Also don’t be mad about the stolen fear, a Necro fears way better.

Chewy.9263:

You kittentard thieves are beyond stupid. I main a thief, and Heartseeker spam is by far the most broken mechanic the class has, the OP is wrong about that. The OP is not having trouble dealing with these thieves, he is simply stating that it is discouraging a variable, more skillful, gameplay.

Here, you all have (save for a few) attacked the OP trying to make a intelligent discussion about how to discourage spamming the same skill over and over and over and over… etc.

Having this exhaustion would inevitably encourage more skillful gameplay. It makes thief have to actually think and use its other skills. Hell, I’d go so far as to create a debuff that makes thieves take more damage if they spam the same skill.

Now I await for the post infringements and all the trash I am going to get for this post. Cheers!

Let’s get married <3

animalmom.1062:

You guys…

I went from thinking the OP was a moron to now understanding he is a god..at trolling

He deserves a /bow.

Stop feeding him.

This, if nobody would post here the “Idea” would sink into the forums oblivion.

It doesn’t seem to me that way.

Rin.1046:

What are your thoughts on the thief’s range options now?

Give us ranger sb #1 speed an we are fine.^^

There were no tiers in the beta, the outcome?
OP builds everywhere.~

Wethospu.6437:

So Lord Swoldermort has 104k health because your 52k took only half of it?

He is downed, you can easily see it from the red hp bar.

No Idea, but from the screenshot it looked like the bows will have some special paricles when shot, but I could be wrong.

Devildoc.6721:

Seriously. The sword skin is awful.

Awful? Have you seen it equiped? I really like the idea behind it, and maybe I’ll
get it since it is the most interesting sword skin in gw2 I have seen up to this point.

Electro.4173:

I really don’t see what’s so amazing about rapiers that everyone is up in arms about it. Since when did rapiers become all the rage?

People like elegance I guess? Well even so most atack skills aren’t really rapier-like imo.

Hi,
I hope this is the right subforum for this since I am not sure but whatever:

Why is it, that the male backpiece only has the shoulder parts, while the female
one has the jetback-like thingy? I really would love it when both of them are
similar to the female one, it also would make more sense, or am I wrong?

Fade.7658:

I’d love to see Shadow Strike kind of Hybridized, in that if you aren’t in melee, you don’t get the teleport or damage, but you can still land the 2 stacks of torment.

But wouldn’t that be a little too strong then? 8 torment stacks in 2 sec’s from a 900 range?

Bryzy.2719:

Why is this in the Thief forum? So you can try and rally your mates to make them shout ‘OP!! NERFFFF!!!!’

Requesting that a mod take this to the Ranger forum please

No need to be scared that they will take it from you, before the patch has even
begun. Also it won’t/shouldn’t happen since there are several “nerv thieves” threads
“to aspekt x/y/z” in several other class forums.

Maugetarr.6823:

If it was a duel with /bow and everything at the beginning, then yeah. If he was just following and annoying you, then no.

Not really, as a thief, there is nothing you can call unfair. Use of terrain, mobs
traps, if you can use it, then use it. This “duell” talk isn’t even legit since thieves
aren’t a straight forward class.

Dfalus.3659:

YOu guys do not seem to realise that actually takes 0 skill and such buff/relic/power up should not exist in a pvp game.Claiming the core of a game with little to no effort is game breaking.

It takes as much skill as capping a point.
If nobody oposes you, none.

Taym.8326:

Personally I am not saying that the map is horrible and should be deleted, it is a great map FOR FUN. Which means it should never be in the tournament rotation.

Tourneys aren’t fun? Sir, are you allright? o_O

Yeah, I just tried it, makes those boons guys way easier imo. Also the sustain is not too
bad, but I still need how to time attacks while in stealth.

Maybe it would be better if you pair it with s/d ?

Dolan.3071:

Maugetarr.6823:

Velron.3729:

redslion.9675:

Fenrir.5493:

Cyhann.2609:

But, tell me one thing, how can you even block an attack you can’t see? o_O

Its called instinct, its called experience, its called sixth sense, believe it or not, but a person who has a lot of experience in battle can predict something like this.

The same way you know when a thief stealths you sense their backstab coming then you block.

It’s called: if you see the thief stealth, run the opposite direction, count to two-three nd raise the shield. You should be able to wait the thief out of stealth then, right?

You’re so clever! None of us ever thought about that!

Oh wait, no this is pretty much exactly what we do.

The problem is, just waiting out a stealth timer is MEANINGLESS.

I will explain. When the stealth timer just ends, there is no revealed debuff. So waiting out the stealth does nothing, all the thief has to do is immediately CnD or Smoke field+Leap again for instant restealth and now Backstab time with shield stance on CD.

Or you could shield bash to eviscerate and using the +50% crit chance on stunned foes and get a guaranteed crit taking at least a 3/4 chunk out of their health.

How do you Shield Bash something that’s over 900 yards away?
Also no one runs crappy Berserker MH Axe builds anymore, not to any degree of success against competent players anyway.

Dolan pls, at least every third warrior I see uses a Berserker MH Axe build.

Yeah Travlane, the range isn’t that good, but you shouldn’t forget that you
can port over the z axis too, which often is a huge advantage. And yeah you
are right, I was playing the so called “unicorn” build for a while, and 3 v 1
aren pretty much manageable, but it takes ages to kill somebody, and against
condition cleanse heavy classes/builds it takes even longer, I remember a fight
against a guardian …. there was simply no outcome. But well maybe it was the
fault of d/d and not using p/d, who know.

Travlane.5948:

see…if you use CB as backup you kill your dmg in the small style battles bc u cant switch in middle of fighting…if u do you obviously lower dmg….not only that you lose the poison and the extra free evade.

The shortbow #3 is a way better evade imo, and there is poison too, but yes you are
right about the dmg.

Well, since I am bored anyway I will give it a try in sPvP.

No, SB (= too few shadow steps/ evades/aoe) and overly relying on stealth.
Yup, best build indeed!

Funny how people nowadays take everything seriously, even if it’s not
written in a serious manner at all.^^ But whatever, now since this thread
is actually a “nerf the thief even more” thread, it actually should be made in
the thief forum, after all warrior isn’t the only class who has the ability to
block, but since there actually are people who would oppose the idea it seems
that they now have resorted to the warrior forums, since the majority of the
pvpers would only lurk here, it they actually use a warrior in pvp. There aren’t
much other reasons to do it after all. Nice move I guess!~

Dolan.3071:

Lets get something straight, Thieves need nerfs not buffs.

Dolan pls: Thief Nerfs 2.0

Also if thieves are so strong, why are there so many teams without them?

And, now to the point, I actually wanted to talk all the the time about:

Even if my proposed “buff” would be implemented, it wouldn’t change too
much, same thing with the “nerf” this thread is about. If you have been loosing
too those thieves, you still will be losing, if you have been winning, it would be
a little easier, but in the end the outcome is the same, the only thing it would
change some of those real close battles, and only then if the thief uses attacks
from stealth and the warrior then decides to use his #5 skill with his shield.

To be honest, I didn’t even notice that blocks don’t reveal me, but that doesn’t
really matter since I only use stealth for condition removal, which means I wait
for the stealths duration to end, but meh, I wouldn’t care less if this litte “buff”
would given to the warriors, since they wouldn’t do any better in pvp.

tl;dr: This thread is actually pointless, since the problem with warriors and
thieves lies elsewhere, but thanks for the fun!~

Player Character.9467:

Fenrir.5493:

Cyhann.2609:

But, tell me one thing, how can you even block an attack you can’t see? o_O

Its called instinct, its called experience, its called sixth sense, believe it or not, but a person who has a lot of experience in battle can predict something like this.

The same way you know when a thief stealths you sense their backstab coming then you block.

It’s called there’s a shield in my face and you were dumb enough to swing at it. Or, ya know, aegis…

It’s called most of the time those attacks are made from behind the enemy, while
his shield is in front of him. This thread is about the shield, not aegis.

And btw, since it doesn’t reveal the thief, it’s not dumb to swing at the shield. =P

How about a compromise? Attacks from stealth are unblockable, which would
then result into a revealed thief. It’s just legit, and fair, especially when warriors
have a block which can reflect projectiles on such a short cooldown, it makes
even an guardian look like nothing. And then we can talk about real balance!
Let’s make the compromise even better for the poor warriors, it’s only unblockable
when the thief is attacking them from the side or from behind. It would promote
skillful play on both sides. Warriors have to use corners to fully defend themselves
and thieves need to run around them. Isn’t that the kind of positioning everybody wants?

Yaaaaaay!

Uhm, thats not what I am talking about, but nevermind.^^

The wait would be woth it.
But Temple is pretty much like the first ones…

But, tell me one thing, how can you even block an attack you can’t see? o_O

– 5: new black powder, 5 second AoE burning, 3 second stealth, no longer a combo field, costs 6 initiative

Wow, if that isn’t OP, then I don’t really now.

– 4: ankle shot, moderate damage, 5 second cripple, 3 initiative

GG, Headhsot is one of the best skills a thief have, and you made it to worse version
of the allready pretty bad skill Dancing Dager…