Guild Wars 2

I approve this message.

Again? Is this bug bound to happen every few patches or something?

Decrypter.1785:

Well Most OP class , there you go !!!

That’s a funny way to spell Warrior.

Get a mmo mouse, and you won’t have that problem since your thumb should cover all your keys. And it’s more convinient. But normally you shouldn’t ever have to look at your
keys no matter what you use. Do you have the same problem with your skills too?

I always played without the abuse of stealth and ini-regen traits, so I guess I will like it, but I really wonder why we still have to wait about 40 days for the patch.
And I really hope that we will see something that isn’t just a change in numbers, but a change in effect that opens up a few new builds.

I support this message.

3 Warriors 1 Necro > 5 Necros

The Mists on my server are full enough, same thing with desolation, if you want to realize this you would have to remake how the mists work, and add a whole lot of testing npcs.

Other than that it might be a good thing.

So what exactly is the point of this? It’s bad enough to have that daily bar which you
can’t remove unless you finish it, which is annoying but still not as bad as 3 of these
bars, from which, I assume, you can’t even remove two of them, in sPvP even thoguh
they are PvE-Only content. Same thing goes with the “Scarlett Attacks X” notifications.

Would the abilty to turn those things off in the options too much to ask?
Please A-Net, give it a try.

Maderas.9741:

All of this damage was done in the span of about two to three seconds. I was dead before I even had a chance to react.

And that’s your problem, in a game like this 3 seconds are much, also the average
reaction time is about 0.5 seconds while the best achieve something about 0,18
seconds. So basically you have a big Problem here.

Darnis.4056:

PVEr’s always ruin everything :/

Look PVP never had rewards and now they threw us a bone and you wanna ruin it? :/
You can still purchase chests with your useless glory if you’re so keen on salvage mats.

You can make more money out of those mats if you salvage them to dyes, well at least
as long as you don’t have bad luck, so yes I would love to ruin that. Also Tournament
Tokens are not available for glory.

So can I please have them back? I really prefer those things compared to those
easy to optain in pve things, which are only worth 7 silver. I mean you can’t
even open them in the mists, so what’s the point of handing them out to
SPvPer’s ?

Seras.5702:

Simplest change to the trait would be to make it enhance the duration of the stolen skill by 20%. So the stealth, the conditions, the boons, the gunk field, the knockdown, the daze durations all last longer. I think it’d be a great trait if it did that.

Totaly not worth it, maybe as a minor one, but not as a major one.

NevirSayDie.6235:

Since hotjoins/custom arenas/solo arenas/team arenas can all be accessed from anywhere now, there’s no reason to be in the mists unless you are changing your build. So the number of people in the mists is roughly equal to the number of people from your server who are currently changing their PvP build. Good try.

Wrong, many people are waiting there, some even are just chilling there and stuff.

Still OP, let’s make it that way that you only can use 5 Initative every 10 seconds.

It’s a trap, and you all fell for it.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Cyhann.2609:

But in the end it’s dagger because the last attack on sword isn’t too reliable.

I would think that those who uses Sword will make sure that the 3rd attack, the highest damage of the sequence, hits — I know I do.

Yes, sure but that doesn’t make it quicker and less telegraphed and easy to evade with
walking compared to the dagger one, and it’s quite annyoing to make sure that the last
hit actually hits imo, and I would really prefer a quicker animation like the one from
the warrior, even if it would make less dmg then, since it feels way more fluid. And
stupid looking attacks like those don’t fit the fast/stealthy theme of the thief anyway.
But in the end I guess it’s just personal preference, but I really think that those
animations should be swapped since it also feels off on the warrior, but whatever.

I can’t play on battle of Thievehel, it’s not balanced in any way.

Wrong forum, this is the sPvP forum not the WvW forum.
Also if the highest hit you get is 5k then it’s pretty nice actually, and I think that
those 3600 armor are the root of your problem.

JETWING.2759:

Thieves could chain insane combos without significative CD, if swap weapon every 5s.

For example?

Rayya.2591:

here are damage coefficients for dagger and swords
DAGGER
1-2-4-5 Skills
Double Strike (1-1): 0.2775 x2
Wild Strike (1-2) – Lotus Strike (1-3): 0.847
Autoattack chain: 2.249 – 2s – 1.1245
Stealthed – Backstab (front): 1.202 – 0s – N/D
Stealthed – Backstab (back): 2.405 – 0s – N/D
Heartseeker: 1 (>50%)/1.502 (25%-50%)/2.005 (<25%) – 0.75s – 1.33 (>50%)/2 (25%-50%)/2.67(<25%)
Dancing Dagger: 1.048 (per hit) – 0.5s – 2.096 (per hit)
Cloak & Dagger: 1.624 – 0.5s – 3.248
SWORD

1-2 Skills
Slice (1-1) – Slash (1-2): 0.801
Crippling Strike (1-3): 1.3
Autoattack chain: 2.902 – 2.4s – 1.209
Stealthed – Tactical Strike: 0.748 – 1s – 0.748
Infiltrator’s Strike: 0.748 – 0s+travel time (slightly affected by distance) – N/D

looks like sword auto chain does more damage/second, but dagger auto chain add poison

source
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Skill-Coefficients-for-all-the-Thief-weapons/first#post467096

But in the end it’s dagger because the last attack on sword isn’t too reliable.

Also per strike they mean that even if you stack two different venoms at the same time
the leeching only happens once, even though you are using the stacks of 2 venoms.

Well at least I support the second part, since the first one would be too much.
Compare it with the ele’s teleport, ours goes both ways and is way more powerfull.

Seras.5702:

However, if you had the ability to weapon swap more frequently (and especially with the upcoming additions to available weapons), there could be greater potential for other weapon set combinations that gel. I’ve heard arguments about how skill x doesn’t fit in that set and it’d be better on weapon y. Or that I wish skill z were on a weapon q instead.

That’s the main reason why I made this thread. Lately i’m testing p/p as my secundary
set, but there are a couple of situations where you shouldn’t use any pistol skills, or
at least can’t shouldn’t do dmg with unload. (Projectile reflection and retaliation)
And the set’s aa is useless, so if you don’t have any ini left you can’t do even some
kind of basic dmg. And you would be able to combine some finishers more reliable.

It could also maybe make the d/d p/d condi combo more usefull, since d/p is a
close/range hybrid weaponset. And stuff like that.

And don’t forget, that most importantly it would demote simple one skill spamming
and might raise the skillfloor a little.

Thx for the recording super, but spectre,clockwork thingy and the megalaser look more impressive imo. Is there at least the Gw2 Dragon on the Trophy?

Finally some great human females ones!

A guilde and me once created a regen/condi thief build, and in some variation this
trait contributed to make the overal regen better. But well even if you couple it with
the Signet of Malice, the warriors healing signet heals way better, and he doesn’t even
have to attack his enemies, so yeah it’s kitten weak.

JETWING.2759:

No sense.

Warrior is weapon master, thief isn’t.
-5s cd in weapon swap make thieves ridiculously op.

And the thief is the stealthy sneaky tricky guy.
How would it be OP? If something it would encourage thieves to play a little
less in the “spamming” manner, and more in a versatile way. And it might encourage
more different weaponset combos, instead of the popular `something´/shortbow.

Dagins.5163:

Remove venom share, and buff all venoms. They are so underpowered because of this single trait.

This, they won’t find a good way to balance this thing right, not in the way the thief is
working at the moment, well at least I doubt it, but if they can I somehow think it would
end up in a wierd way like those spirit rangers.

Why would you use divinity? The only reason to use them was in beta where each one of
them gave you 3% insteat of 2% on your crit dmg.

Kwll.1468:

That is not the case in this game. Revealed needs to be longer like 10 seconds. Ive never seen more nonsensical game play then the blinking in and out of stealth in combat that goes on in this game. Its totally ridiculous. Thieves pop into stealth at 40% health and then come out a few seconds later at fullhealth.

10 seconds is too short, it should be like 10^6 seconds at least. Also did you know that
if the Thief goes into stealth earlier he doesn’t just get 100% hp regen in those 4 seconds,
but also full initiative, and a 100% crit change, a 33% dmg multiplier and a 50% faster
Revealed regeneration? And they can do all that while staying on a point, while you
as an enemy can’t do anything against him. And most of them are also immune to AoE
CC since thieves have a way too easy access to Hard to Catch.

Also their class mechanic, Steal is way too unbalanced, with just one skill they can
daze you, stealth, deal massive dmg, heal big amounts of hp, rip of 2 boons from you,
grants might, swiftness, fury and vigor to all of his allies, gain 3 initiative, inflict poison
to you, recharges their utility skill’s CD’s. All that while obtaining your most powerful
ability, teleporting to you at 1500 range, while having a 21 second CD. And all of these
traits are possible in a single build, without sacrificing anything else like the stuff which I mentioned above. Did I mention that steal has no cast time?

Anybody who doesn’t tell you that the thief isn’t the most OP thing ever in gaming history should learn more about that history.

Phent.9350:

It is common for all pvp in all mmorpg i know, moba games such as LoL and dota 2 are even worse. Only way for me to avoid such things is play with friends and don’t give a kitten about comments.

Well compared to what I have seen in some other games, moba comunites aren’t
even the worst, but well being locked into a game for 20 minutes isn’t allways fun.
And it doesn’t help if there is a report function for bad players.

Magnetron.5823:

I am top player in kills, and treb kills..

Maybe that’s your problem? You could make a few videos, then we might be
able to tell you, if it’s your fault or not.

Other than that, you should either ignore them, or tell them legit points, why
they are the ones at fault. If you do it without hostility it drives them crazy, and
they might think twice before they start insulting others in the future. But don’t take whatever they say to heart, they just don’t know it better.

KcB.6890:

Cyhann.2609:

Seriously you GvG guys are getting kitten annoying lately. You are constantly crying in
every stream, every third forum post, every post about bloodlust and now you can’t
handle an A-Net Dev who simply was standing around you and was watching you?
And all that for something you should have known prior to the game that it won’t
be included any time soon. Shouldn’t you try and polish your own image a little?
If this keeps on, GvG might really become a banable offense, and I doubt you would
like that, but this way I can imagine that the devs are fed up with this scene.

Read chat logs.

Oh, sorry haven’t seen that, I just woke up minutes ago. Well it’s wierd that a dev says
something like that but even so, I doubt that you will get your GvG if you keep it up
that way, and that’s why you guys should chill down a little, after all a new gamemode
would be a nice thing to see.

Seriously you GvG guys are getting kitten annoying lately. You are constantly crying in
every stream, every third forum post, every post about bloodlust and now you can’t
handle an A-Net Dev who simply was standing around you and was watching you?
And all that for something you should have known prior to the game that it won’t
be included any time soon. Shouldn’t you try and polish your own image a little?
If this keeps on, GvG might really become a banable offense, and I doubt you would
like that, but this way I can imagine that the devs are fed up with this scene.

Since it’s my favorite trait on the Warrior, I thought about it for a while, and
I still have no Idea why. Would it be OP on a thief? Swaping between weapons
quickly would fit the thief theme after all, and you can also justify it with the
fact, that Iniative is shared on both weaponsets. On weaponswap sigils have
an ICD anyway, and you could simply add one to Quick Pockets, or even better
make it the alternative Grand Master trait in the Acrobatics tree, since Hard to
Catch isn’t anything useworthy.

But well what do I know, I’m just your regular player, how about you? Would you
like it? Would you use it? Is it OP?

Bsgapollo.5364:

There are some rightfull call for nerfs though. Such as condition damage, stealth, and too many evades are already major ones. Balance should be something on the top list to do from Anet their side.

If you really think that stealth needs a nerf in pvp, well then you are doing it wrong.

Good thieves sure know a lot of stuff, don’t they?^^

xmtrcv.5236:

Cyhann.2609:

xmtrcv.5236:

Cyhann.2609:

xmtrcv.5236:

Cyhann.2609:

xmtrcv.5236:

Pistol Mastery should add Piercing also. Just saying…

But ricotched is way better than piercing.

Depends on who you are fighting and who they are hiding behind. Honestly, for as lackluster as Pistol main-hand is, we should have the option for both.

Chance to pierce (%50) + chance to Ricochet.

Sounds fun, but it might be to much RNG dependent then.

How so? Pierce might give you the second chance to hit someone (behind your target) that Ricochet might not have given you.

It also helps in that (with Pierce) now you don’t have to worry so much about your positioning around pets, clones, etc. or accepting a reduced chance to hit your intended target (that is behind them).

Wait, I thought with Ricotched the Projectiles work like the Shortbows aa, which would mean that it would hit the nearest enemy as long as he is in range, no matter
where he stands.

Setup…
Mesmer clone/phantasm is directly in front of you.
Fruity Mesmer player is creeping behind clone/phantasm.

Situation 1: No Ricochet
You shoot Mesmer clone; Mesmer clone takes damage; Mesmer player is safe.

Situation 2: I haz Ricochet! (Pistol shots have a 50% chance to bounce to an additional target.)
You shoot Mesmer clone; Mesmer clone takes damage; 50% chance Mesmer player takes damage from a Ricochet.

Situation 3: I haz Ricochet! (and if Pistol Master had 50% chance to Pierce)
You shoot Mesmer clone; Mesmer clone takes damage; 50% chance Mesmer player takes damage from a Ricochet or a Pierce.

Maybe the bullet did not Ricochet, but it could Pierce. Or vice versa. Or RNG could hate you and just stop at the Mesmer clone.

That means a 50% chance for either a Ricochet or Pierce off the Mesmer clone, not a 100% chance guaranteed that it will be one of those two.

Or at least that’s how I am imagining it. In a perfect world, I want both. :p

And yet Ricotchet > Pierce:
Mesmer stands behind the Clone, in a line with your shot, Ricotched and Pierce would
hit him. Mesmer stands right to the clone, not in a line with your shot, only Ricotched
would hit him. But of course having both is always better, and would actually fit the thief.

A bullet which splits into two when it hits an enemy, and then travels on to other enemies.

zencow.3651:

Atrophied.8725:

Weird, ‘cause warbanner works on vapor-formed ele’s, as does illusion of life

Hmm pretty sure theres a bug. Warbanner hasn’t been rezzing me in vapor form.

Well when I use the Fire version of the Glyh and the rez goes of when I’m in Mistform
it didn’t work me either.

xmtrcv.5236:

Cyhann.2609:

xmtrcv.5236:

Cyhann.2609:

xmtrcv.5236:

Pistol Mastery should add Piercing also. Just saying…

But ricotched is way better than piercing.

Depends on who you are fighting and who they are hiding behind. Honestly, for as lackluster as Pistol main-hand is, we should have the option for both.

Chance to pierce (%50) + chance to Ricochet.

Sounds fun, but it might be to much RNG dependent then.

How so? Pierce might give you the second chance to hit someone (behind your target) that Ricochet might not have given you.

It also helps in that (with Pierce) now you don’t have to worry so much about your positioning around pets, clones, etc. or accepting a reduced chance to hit your intended target (that is behind them).

Wait, I thought with Ricotched the Projectiles work like the Shortbows aa, which would mean that it would hit the nearest enemy as long as he is in range, no matter
where he stands.

defragger.2483:

But we got this dragon :P

I dont think that arena net cares much about us pvpler…

New pvp mode:
2 Dragons, 2 Teams. The teams who kills it Dragon faster won.

xmtrcv.5236:

Cyhann.2609:

xmtrcv.5236:

Pistol Mastery should add Piercing also. Just saying…

But ricotched is way better than piercing.

Depends on who you are fighting and who they are hiding behind. Honestly, for as lackluster as Pistol main-hand is, we should have the option for both.

Chance to pierce (%50) + chance to Ricochet.

Sounds fun, but it might be to much RNG dependent then.

xmtrcv.5236:

Pistol Mastery should add Piercing also. Just saying…

But ricotched is way better than piercing.

Pistol offhand only build, I mean yeah I can do headshots with it, but it isn’t as easy as everybody believes.

Fortus.6175:

[…]no counterplay at all)

Quick reminder, if you didn’t see any possibility of counterplay you are doing it wrong.
And the thief has the same base HP.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Cyhann.2609:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Requiem.8769:

Lordrosicky.5813:

1, Berserker stance – Nothing should give immunity to entire types of classes. no counter play. Very lame. Just make it 90% reduction in condition duration then at least necros can interrupt them

2, Automated response – see above. Losing to someone who is just 100x worse than you just because of a trait they take it total BS. How is this still in the game?

3, Warrior stuns – insane. You literally get knocked around like a ping pong ball by the warrior then die. Interrupt them you say! No you cant. Because they are immune to anything I do (lol)

4, Sword thief evades – way too many evades, teleports, etc on this weapon set

5, Thief feline grace trait – seriously wtf. They get to dodge for less. Anet need to realise dodging and evades = invulnerable. Invulnerable is good in pvp. Seriously.

6, Vigor – most op boon ever. Way more dodges = more invuln = never die = lame. You need to balance this boon. By reducing the amount of vigor gained by certain classes.

7 , Runes of lyssa – seriously wtf is this. Its so OP. Why do you think 50% of people in any game run these. People use elites purely for this rune set. Shows how insane it is.

8, Sigil of energy – dodging is OP. Anet really need to get this or this game will fail.

9, Nature of renewal. So broken and frustrating. Gives you massive advantage in team fight. No counter play as killing it resses anyway. Massive HP. Massive healing. Full condi cleanses. It is just way too good.

10, Ele burst – too high, should be brought down. Promotes macroing and even more cheese. Solution to making ele viable isnt to give it cheese.

11, Signet of spite – why make something so lame as this? it takes no skill to just random land a signet of spite then fear someone = death. I lose to so many bad necros who run this or signet or plague. Enough. Nerf signet of spite durations or increase the cooldown.

12, healing spring – too strong

13, Elixr R – people shouldnt be able to res themselves – come on.

14, Lag – fixing lag matters. Lag is Op in this game. Most the games I lose is because I get dced for 2 mins start of every match. Winning from 3 cap and 100-0 down isnt easy.

15, Emphatic bond – passive condi removal is lame. End of.

16, Healing turret – cast time too short. Cant be interrupted.

17, Healing signet – cant be interrupted so where is the counter play?

18, Shadows refuge – cooldown too short.

19, Stand your ground – get too much for this. Increase the cd.

20, Burning – burning is OP. Nerf it by 25%

21, Asuras – too small. Cant see them for kitten. Lame and should be nerfed/banned

There are 21 things to fix. Get to work on these and people will be happy.

Balance devs, do us all a favour and print this off and put the “To-do list” at the top and then stick it on your wall

So:
Classes:
1) Warriors OP
2) Thieves OP
3) Engis OP
4) Rangers OP
5) Eles OP
6) Necromancer OP

Two guesses as to which class you play.

Mesmer and guardian are OP too. Just slightly less lame, so nerfing them can come later. Although phantasms are still very lame.

So basically you are saying the whole game is lame?

Yeh, pretty much. Do you disagree? Lame stuff must be nerfed before we can move forward. Game was better before the dhuumfire patch which started the power creep.

Yeah, back then when 100% of the rangers and 90% of the necros were fodder, I loved those times.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Requiem.8769:

Lordrosicky.5813:

1, Berserker stance – Nothing should give immunity to entire types of classes. no counter play. Very lame. Just make it 90% reduction in condition duration then at least necros can interrupt them

2, Automated response – see above. Losing to someone who is just 100x worse than you just because of a trait they take it total BS. How is this still in the game?

3, Warrior stuns – insane. You literally get knocked around like a ping pong ball by the warrior then die. Interrupt them you say! No you cant. Because they are immune to anything I do (lol)

4, Sword thief evades – way too many evades, teleports, etc on this weapon set

5, Thief feline grace trait – seriously wtf. They get to dodge for less. Anet need to realise dodging and evades = invulnerable. Invulnerable is good in pvp. Seriously.

6, Vigor – most op boon ever. Way more dodges = more invuln = never die = lame. You need to balance this boon. By reducing the amount of vigor gained by certain classes.

7 , Runes of lyssa – seriously wtf is this. Its so OP. Why do you think 50% of people in any game run these. People use elites purely for this rune set. Shows how insane it is.

8, Sigil of energy – dodging is OP. Anet really need to get this or this game will fail.

9, Nature of renewal. So broken and frustrating. Gives you massive advantage in team fight. No counter play as killing it resses anyway. Massive HP. Massive healing. Full condi cleanses. It is just way too good.

10, Ele burst – too high, should be brought down. Promotes macroing and even more cheese. Solution to making ele viable isnt to give it cheese.

11, Signet of spite – why make something so lame as this? it takes no skill to just random land a signet of spite then fear someone = death. I lose to so many bad necros who run this or signet or plague. Enough. Nerf signet of spite durations or increase the cooldown.

12, healing spring – too strong

13, Elixr R – people shouldnt be able to res themselves – come on.

14, Lag – fixing lag matters. Lag is Op in this game. Most the games I lose is because I get dced for 2 mins start of every match. Winning from 3 cap and 100-0 down isnt easy.

15, Emphatic bond – passive condi removal is lame. End of.

16, Healing turret – cast time too short. Cant be interrupted.

17, Healing signet – cant be interrupted so where is the counter play?

18, Shadows refuge – cooldown too short.

19, Stand your ground – get too much for this. Increase the cd.

20, Burning – burning is OP. Nerf it by 25%

21, Asuras – too small. Cant see them for kitten. Lame and should be nerfed/banned

There are 21 things to fix. Get to work on these and people will be happy.

Balance devs, do us all a favour and print this off and put the “To-do list” at the top and then stick it on your wall

So:
Classes:
1) Warriors OP
2) Thieves OP
3) Engis OP
4) Rangers OP
5) Eles OP
6) Necromancer OP

Two guesses as to which class you play.

Mesmer and guardian are OP too. Just slightly less lame, so nerfing them can come later. Although phantasms are still very lame.

So basically you are saying the whole game is lame?

Equinox.4968:

First: I’m not a PvPer, I mostly just do it for the achievement points

Why would you do that? In the same time you could make at least ten times as
many achivement points in pve. Or do you allready have all/most of them?

FirstInfantry.2795:

u kno i read a couple of these apologies and it makes me want to call the nerf hammer:P

I’m sorry about that, here have a drink.