Guild Wars 2

style.6173:

The low point is probably in dungeons where the thief is the worst class overall.

People need to learn how to SB, and how to handle meele, if done right you deal the
most dmg of the group, and almost never die/die as the last one/revives his allies,
and I am not talking about stealth abuse. Seriously now it isn’t that hard as everyone
here acts all the time.

swinsk.6410:

Thief in wvw Zerg is the most useless class.

Zergs are a useless unfun system btw, and how are they useless?

One more? Okay let’s talk about it:
Skill 4

you get aviable a blurry for a half second, blurry cost 2 iniative.

You mean evade, like the mesmers blury right? Well pretty reasonable compared
with other classes blocks, but the ini cost is way too low.

Skill 5
Well this one is a little redundant if you play s/s, also it doesn’t really matter if it
works like the portal on such a short range.

Skill 3 Sword
So it’s a movable pistolwhip? Which means AoE retaliation kills you really fast
and with two times the same skill, a short block and AA there isn’t really
something special if you use S/S, so how about implementing something
extra to it? Like a blind? Dunno…

Skill 3 Pistol
Now it’s important to know how much bleed it inflicts, but another
semi ranged set is a little wierd imo, especially since this one has no backwards
teleport. Other than that this set sound ok, I guess, but it would at least need
one more condition to have the possibility of beeing a good set.

Skill 3 Dagger
Well there is a reason why thieves have so few cc skills, so i don’t know
if the would implement it, but other than that, why would you pull
your enemy to yourself if you can:
-Heartseeker too him.
-Leap too him.
Well at least it would be fun on Skyhammer, that is for sure.

In conclusion, I doubt that those skills won’t be more usefull than
allready existing ones, and therfore not used, but what do I know?

Stealth.9324:

It was fun while it lasts. As a final ending, Magic > Tech because for example, if you want to fly, Asura magic is just..fly, but with Tech, you need machine for it. So Magic > Tech million times. Also, the lore is dumb. Asura is way smarter than Charr :p

Well while you are right there is just one thing you shouldn’t forget:
99% of the things Asura build explode at some point. And since I am
a Thief, this is the moment I am waiting for.

Khenzy.9348:

Tyler Chapman.1832:

The roster will be hidden in Solo Q so this doesn’t happen.

I like playing only with my brother. So our only choise is roam/zerg thief/mesmer fest hotjoins now?

Look for random people in your server, or via lfg.

Stealth.9324:

Cyhann.2609:

Stealth.9324:

Your tank can not do anything against my awesome Golem Shoot me with your rocket, sure here is my bubble, enjoy the treat :P

The tank is faster and has a way longer range, so long and fast that I could evade my own
projectiles with it, and since the bubble isn’t there for too long it doesn’t even matter.

What kind of tank is fast, LoL o-O? If I recall back to the story, Charr’s tank getting destroyed just by a giant throwing stone at it, talk about fast =)). And if you confident enough in your missile that all it take is one missile to blow the Golem, and fast enough that the Golem high technology,powered by Asura highest advanced tech, can not detect it, how you gonna evade it when it fires back at you? Also, if your missile is that powerful, it will blow you up with just one hit,so my bubble duration is no problem. Back fire much, ha ha :P

Way faster than those Golems, that is for sure, also keep in mind that the Tanks
in Orr was just an experiment in it’s prototype phase, and that they used it more
as a baricade. Also it’s stated by the lore that Charr tech > Asura tech, since Asura
tech is mostly magic.

Well whatever this discussion won’t go anywere until we get a Golem & Tanks pvp mode.

Be at least rank 10-20, try out some 1 v 1 servers first, to check if your build or you can
even hold yourself at least a little, since if you get wrecked to fast you won’t do your
team a favor.

Laserbolt.6731:

Lately I just click a “ping” onto the map when I need help. A big red flashing splash appears for a few seconds, and people notice.

The draw function is nice too, I use it to give directions by drawing arrows, and
circles, but people rarely care.

Stealth.9324:

Your tank can not do anything against my awesome Golem Shoot me with your rocket, sure here is my bubble, enjoy the treat :P

The tank is faster and has a way longer range, so long and fast that I could evade my own
projectiles with it, and since the bubble isn’t there for too long it doesn’t even matter.

Virgil.3869:

@Cyhann Interesting suggestion, but I think that may encourage some thieves to spam skills like HS even more since they’ll in a way be rewarded for it….

If implemented right, they won’t since they have less ini regen after all, and if you
add some extra conditions do the effects it would basicaly prevent it.

Stuff like “offhand skills #4 deals 5 seconds torment if the projectile travels over
300(whatever) units while you have 6 ini or less” -> there needs to be some
distance or “if you have 6 ini or below, all your attacks now deal 20% more
damage, while if you repeat your previous attack it will only deal 50% dmg
and cripple you”.
(Please don’t talk about the numbers/balance/whatever, since it’s just about the concept)

Well or you could add more such trait without the ini counter requiement, and
it still won’t be against the base idea of ini since you can use attack a, then an
attack b, and then attack a again, which is still faster than other professions do.
And it would promote a higher skill ceiling if done right.

Void.4239:

Cyhann.2609:

Chew Magna.4830:

Cyhann.2609:

But he only asked you to spam it more, what is so wrong about this? o_O
It seems that people can’t comprehend a little politeness nowadays.

Because there’s a 99.99% chance that the guy was being sarcastic and was in fact complaining about it.

I LOVE Death Blossom. If I have two daggers equipped it’s just for spamming that.

And why is it that there is a 0% chance that I am sarcastic?^^…
Well no need to be bothered, since there is no other d/d way to inflict bleed.

I’m hoping that they’ll eventually add torment condition to dancing daggers
( number 4 DD),
That would make DD a viable condition build for tpvp even
atm dancing daggers is not worth the ini spend for any build.

Well it would fit the theme of DD, but then it only would have like a 1 – 2 second
duration, or a raise in the ini cost, which I wouldn’t like.

Yeah ini is fine, but the amount of ini regens you can stack isn’t.
And some alternatives to ini regen would make way more fun to play imo.

Stealth.9324:

Go play “World of Tank” if you want some tank battle action, you big dumb Charr.. J/k) um.. You see, I am Asura to the core. So Golem battle FTW

I don’t even have a charr, and I want to wreck some cute little Asura with big
Tanks, I can’t do that in the game you mentioned :P

Stealth.9324:

Not if we have many different types of Golems to choose from

But Charr tanks are way superior to those Asura golems, have you seen how they
can wreck stuff in orr?

Geiir.7603:

Cyhann.2609:

The funny thing is, I only see warriors saying that warriors are OP or something.

Maybe they like some challenge and therefore want warriors to be weaker than the rest? ;p

Or those people are afraid of potential warrior buffs since they saw what happend with the necros, and are in fact not warriors O_O.

ensoriki.5789:

Play the best with what I bring. But may not necessarily bring what is considered the best.

Well said.

The funny thing is, I only see warriors saying that warriors are OP or something.

Golems are slow, boring, have bad skills and can’t do anything too cool.
I’d prefer some Tank battles.

Just use retaliaton, and the thief has killed himself.

Well I personally would remove or nerf the strongest/ too exploitable extra
ini regen, and implent skills/traits/whatever that are beneficial if you have a
lower ini count or something.

Like if you hit 6 ini or below you get a short healing/might/whatever every
20 seconds or so. Or more dmg if you are below x ini .(which balances itself
since you can only use auto attack and only one ini based skill or so)
Maybe f you hit 0/1 ini you get a random free venom recharge(every 30 secs
or so) …. well i think you get my point. It could provde another layer of depth
if done right i think.

Skill 3 is okay, I guess, but

4th skill- ( 4 initiative) slow ground smash with both swords (easy to dodge but if land does good damage like dragons tooth ( also invulnerable for half the duration of the skill but has an after cast)

This isn’t how swords work, beside that only the 3rd skill uses both weapons, and the
skill won’t ever be used, since it’s slow and roots you (I guess since your swords are
in the ground), also the rule of thief weaponsets is: Autoattack, 1 dmg thing, and
situational stuff/supportive stuff.

5th skill- also 2 parts (6 initiative)
first- block attacks for 4.5 secs and charge energy
second- release stored energy
0 blocks- aoe blind and aegis
1 block- protection and retaliation
2 blocks- fury and 5 stacks of might
3 blocks- fury and 5 stacks of might
4 blocks- quickness 2-3 sec
5- blocks- all buffs and cure all condi ( lyssa runes 6 effect)
6- all debuffs applied to enemy
7-11 blocks- all buffs to self and all debuffs to enemy
12+ – full heal

This is op beyond anything the game has, since any other block skill just blocks,
and has a way longer CD than this.

I have no idea about the NA Teams, but at least I will continue to provide you with my favorite poll:
http://strawpoll.me/285100

Serious fun, or fun by being serious.

Chew Magna.4830:

Cyhann.2609:

But he only asked you to spam it more, what is so wrong about this? o_O
It seems that people can’t comprehend a little politeness nowadays.

Because there’s a 99.99% chance that the guy was being sarcastic and was in fact complaining about it.

I LOVE Death Blossom. If I have two daggers equipped it’s just for spamming that.

And why is it that there is a 0% chance that I am sarcastic?^^…
Well no need to be bothered, since there is no other d/d way to inflict bleed.

Arutassin.2758:

Stooperdale.3560

Daggerstorm will always be a projectile finisher

Isn’t dagger Storm a Whirl Finisher?

Whirl is basicaly multible projectiles into random locations.

Amir.1570:

One class limit does not promote diversity at all to be honest. The real way to fix class stacking is to make every class have infinite possibilities.

Infinite is a little too much, don’t you agree?^^

Archaon.6245:

Cyhann.2609:

Archaon.6245:

Cyhann.2609:

Absolute bad idea, why should people be forced into something they don’t want to play?
Also the stuff you mentioned is far from viable, so why does it bother you?

Because it’s called teamwork, first of all you play what your team needs…if you want to play whatever you like only hotjoin is there for you..

This teamwork can be achieved in various ways, within the same class, do you know
what builds are? Also who do you think the team is? And why can’t my team need
more than one of a class with the same build? Do you know every single strategy
there is?

Running 2 or 3 fotm is not strategy, is called…lame..

Who said anything about fotm? And of course just running them isn’t a strategy….

Archaon.6245:

Cyhann.2609:

Absolute bad idea, why should people be forced into something they don’t want to play?
Also the stuff you mentioned is far from viable, so why does it bother you?

Because it’s called teamwork, first of all you play what your team needs…if you want to play whatever you like only hotjoin is there for you..

This teamwork can be achieved in various ways, within the same class, do you know
what builds are? Also who do you think the team is? And why can’t my team need
more than one of a class with the same build? Do you know every single strategy
there is?

AikijinX.6258:

Cyhann.2609:

And then a S/D thief stole them all, and your build is naught.

Which wouldn’t happen due to the fact that, you will always need to dodge to produce swiftness, which then produces might, and some return of your endurance. If you cant dodge L.S then that’s a L2P issue.

Who said anything about it undodgeable? But you can’t really tell me that you won’t
ever get hit by LS, after all there are some ways to make it unevadeable.
(By using stuns/teleports and so on)

Well whatever since it’s an WvW only build it doesn’t even matter, but I wish you a lot
of fun with it.

But he only asked you to spam it more, what is so wrong about this? o_O
It seems that people can’t comprehend a little politeness nowadays.

And then a S/D thief stole them all, and your build is naught.

I think you have chosen the wrong subform.

Absolute bad idea, why should people be forced into something they don’t want to play?
Also the stuff you mentioned is far from viable, so why does it bother you?

apt.9184:

Lol. There is no point even bringing up points with you guys. You guys are making it seem every class has like 10 stun breaks and 10 dodges… engis barely have one that can be incorporated into the build and they have 2 dodges. If you are having hard time hitting skull crack on good players then there is a problem with your way of playing the class… No point in just QQing when you have not fully explored ways in employing your cc.

So you have 20 stuns/whatever on your warrior?

Because Node Conquest is more fun than a silly moba where you have to level up while playing, and kill mobs. This is pvp not pve, svanir/uthsomething and the lord are bad enough to deal with.

Also the way you described it, it would require a major rework for all classes, a thief
for example could solo 5 people in the begining, and condis would wreck even more,
since many remover are optained via traits.

TGSlasher.1458:

Cyhann.2609:

Okay, let’s assume yesterday was the World Cup in football (the real one, mind you), and
you haven’t watched it. And today you’re reading the newspaper, especially the sports
part (=pvp forums), is it reasonable for you to aks the newspaper company to put on spoiler tags on the results?

No, but it isn’t all over the front page, its on the sports page, so if I don’t read that page I don’t know who won.

In the forums, the title is Congratz x Team in the pvp forums. So if you go to the PvP forums you know who has won.

The whole thing is silly though, watch the How I Met Your Mother episode with the superball to see how silly the whole thing is.

But PvP forums = sports page, and such a major event would definitely be on the front page.

JTan.1687:

I’m Not QQ im just asking i do alot of solo Q. but sometimes i’m with a friend so i do alot o duo q. so if i want to play with my friend and no more duo Q then i need to make a team to play with my friend thats all i want to know. tnx for the reply

Uhm, it was supposed to be a play on al those “Q” in the title/topic^^….

Stop the QQ, dude srsly.
Well you can at least try a 2/3/4 v 5 i guess

Okay, let’s assume yesterday was the World Cup in football (the real one, mind you), and
you haven’t watched it. And today you’re reading the newspaper, especially the sports
part (=pvp forums), is it reasonable for you to aks the newspaper company to put on spoiler tags on the results?

Cyan.6904:

Good to go back to good old DR =)

Yeah, lately I have been there for a Quest or two on a new char, and I was
amazed how citylike it felt. How was I able to forget that?

Void.4239:

Cyhann.2609:

Aleth.9630:

I assume you’re stacking stealth with it. In that case, you can’t expect any changes, you’re using the skill in an unintended way (instead of as a gap-closer damaging skill), you can’t expect it to perfectly suit that role. And I’m pretty sure all other builds that don’t stack stealth are happy with it as is.

You can’t really call using a combo field and a combofinisher unintended.

then lets wait till they gone nerf the 2 ini when going into stealth to 1 ini …

its unintended that you can get perma stealth just cause it triggers the 2 ini when using a skill that steatlths you .

besides heartseeker isnt a skill that gives stealth / blackpowder isnt a skill that gives stealth , the combo of the 2 gives stealth.

tho trait says “a skill” that stealths you. Not a combo that stealths you.

so the combo shouldn’t give back the initiatief from the trait.

So eventualy devs are gone have to do something about the ini on stealth or the blackpowder combo with HS. ( perma stealth needs to be removed from game )
And hopefully they’ll be as nice as i am and not just remove the leap finished from heartseeker ( witch is the easy way to nerf it).

Why not? The trait says when you use a skill that stealths you, and hs on the
blindfield is a skill that stealths you. Nothing wrong there. The same thing
happens when you go into a shadow refuge, eache pulse adds new stalth
duration stacks, and those give you 2 ini … i wonder what happens if you
get stealthed by another player?

But I wonder, if you are right and it really is unintended, why is it still in the game?
(Not that it really matters though, since “perma stealth” is useless in pvp)

Aleth.9630:

I assume you’re stacking stealth with it. In that case, you can’t expect any changes, you’re using the skill in an unintended way (instead of as a gap-closer damaging skill), you can’t expect it to perfectly suit that role. And I’m pretty sure all other builds that don’t stack stealth are happy with it as is.

You can’t really call using a combo field and a combofinisher unintended.

Well if it’s not too long, I don’t really see the problem :P
And btw lvl’s don’t even matter as much as gear imo.

Well whatever, a nice day to you too.~

Zumy.6318:

I would not even know what I would use makros for. I mean you have 10 buttons to press…

Some combos maybe, but there are more than 10 buttons…

Romek.4201:

oh yeah would be cool

scrolls like:
1 Scroll = 5k glory

Deer Scroll = +2 level
Dolyak Scroll = +4 level
Wolve Scroll= +6 level
Tiger Scroll = + 8 level
Bear Scroll = + 10 level (and this is max)

this alone would make spvp much cooler and make new players not thinking they waste their time

this characters would still have to explore the open world when go pve and dont feel like a noob when go wvw with ransacker title and get owned from whatever^^

I don’t really like the Idea, but those scrolls are way too cheap, how long do you
think you need to get 5k glory?

jmatb.6307:

It is not fair to balance for all three considering that PvP is, at most, 8v8, and the majority of the meaningful matches by over 95% are 5v5.

And what about those 10 v 10 servers?
Also there are are few split skills, and even conditions.

It would be way more fair, if the game is only balanced around PvP, which
means that there should be no skills/traits/whatever that only have uses
in PvE or PvP(not talking about consumables/cultstuff/items[the latter shouldn’t
even be banned from wvw, since it makes the most fun there and since they are
now banned from dungs too, pretty much useless]) and then translate it into PvE/
WvW, and balance the rest of the game around it. It would make the game way better.

I disagree with this post.

Instead, current mob ai should be scrapped and reworked from the scratch so that all skills are useful.

PvE should be more like PvP. Fast paced, action filled, full of teamwork, and unpredictable.

PvE is about noticing a set pattern on bosses and use dodge skills to prevent all attacks from happening.

This, aisde from the last paragraph, how many bosses really have that? I don’t
remember too many cases where I really hat to time my dodges.
The default AI should at least be on PvP-Class-NPC lvl, which allready is really bad.
(Standing 2 seconds still, necro not using condis/minions/marks, ranger without a Pet
no weaponswaps, or dodges…)

ninao.1208:

the thing is that everybody as the chance to reroll an asura character… so…

Neare.9703:

I really don’t think this is a huge issue at all. For those that actually have a problem you have an easy solution, roll and asura yourself.

How about you read the first post? The games where almost everybody was an Ausra
where the worst to follow. Not everybody who watches plays the game, and not
everybody plays, or wants to play an Asura, also it doesn’t even matter if you normally
play one since in a teamfight with AI and particlecluster, and those aren’t rare btw, it’s
really hard to see what is going on.

Btw it can be easily done, that the “normalization” of the chars is an extra option in the
spectator mode, which leaves the gameplay and immersion for the players at it is.

Arganthium.5638:

Hawke.6943:

JonPeters.5630:

Hopefully this is just the humble beginning with lots more to come for GW2 sPvP.
Jon

We’re holding onto that JonPeters. Hope we have bigger lan tournies coming up.

We had a fantastic time playing the preliminaries, and we are going to be here for the next one.
Good job all.

p.s. gw2 twitch chat is the best ^^

Haha xD this is so true

The chat should be recorded with the stream somehow imo.

Thedenofsin.7340:

. It’s hard to see what they are doing, and when they jump and dodge around, they look kind of silly.

Yeah, I hate it when I can’t tell if they are dodge-jumping, or just dodge normally.

Let’s call it Pug-Farmer Champion.

Well that’s how it works. It’s even the same thing with sports etc.
You can’t really escape it, but I feel sorry for you.

DXIEdge.2789:

August 6th.

Calling it now.

Maybe that is what they plan, but then it goes “ooops, we don’t have enough
contet for 20th august, let’s postpone it”.