Guild Wars 2

Valentin.2073:

Cynz.9437:

he still ignored my offer to duel me lol

i’m sure you’re gonna play a braindead condi banner warrior instead. if you want to duel me pls use something that requires skills and timing.

i said i just gonna play common class/build, nothing too fancy really… i mean thieves are OP, i am sure you can beat me

he still ignored my offer to duel me lol

Fortus.6175:

Cynz.9437:

30/30/30/30/30 build is so OP

I wont call you ignorant, but you sir need to know about the S/D and D/P that plagues sPvP. They have access to all of the afore mentioned stuff without having to fall in your uncivilized and near sighted fail of a joke.

plagues…. really? if anything pvp is plagued by hambow wars, mm necros, decap engis and any other condi tank

are you seriously implying that sb3 does more dmg than clone spam + shatter? wow, i saw everything now

You think we haven’t done it? There were countless suggestion of how to make that map less frustrating and less favored by engis. 0 response, 0 changes, in fact any kind of feedback about that map got dumped into trash can named “Skyhammer [merged]”, yeah let’s show some respect heh.

Reesha.7901:

Cynz.9437:

clones by itself already do more dmg than sb3 + you can use them for shatter, on top of it mesmer dodge doesn’t put mesmer spells on CD… my point stands, thief spamming sb3 didn’t accomplish anything while mesmer did

Clones hit for nothing. You are correct, they are used for shatters. Problem just is, you cannot hit the evading thief. The clones will be chasing him, and not reaching their target, before he is evading again. With that many evades, it is fairly easy to avoid the telegraphed attacks of the phantasms as well.

By evading you are accomplishing something. You are not taking damage.

so did the mesmer….except the mesmer did potentionally more dmg than thief and still has his CDs while thief doesn’t

Leadfoot.9071:

Cynz.9437:

the truth is…anet is too proud of their “creation” so they will never change or remove that map from rotation because it would be just admiting that they didn’t do their job properly

so here we are, getting forced to play on incredibly imbalanced map that favors engis by huge margin; the fact that majority of players hate this map and don’t wanna be forced into class/build they don’t enjoy just shows how much devs care about our opnion or players for that matter

i started to play gw2 because they advertised how much they care about pvp etc., reality looks so different

ahhh, back out to lunch with them again? Next time can you put in a good word for me? Thinking I’d like to maybe get a shot at developing for them.

if you checked pvp forums lately, you could see post by dev with the link of vid about how they made skyhammer….they ARE proud of this map

the truth is…anet is too proud of their “creation” so they will never change or remove that map from rotation because it would be just admiting that they didn’t do their job properly

you know why they won’t even add option to remove skyhammer from rotation? because in reality majority hates that map so queues for that map will be insanely long in soloq since everyone would just disable that map for themself…

so here we are, getting forced to play on incredibly imbalanced map that favors engis by huge margin; the fact that majority of players hate this map and don’t wanna be forced into class/build they don’t enjoy just shows how much devs care about our opnion or players for that matter

i started to play gw2 because they advertised how much they care about pvp etc., reality looks so different

Vuh.1328:

Cynz.9437:

…and what did that thief accomplish by dumping his entire ini into dodge? He certanly didn’t do any dmg, he won’t have enough ini to do anything meaningfull for a while, he wasted his heal on another dodge. Now compare it to current mesmers that spam dodges non stop to poop as much AI as possible that actually do considerable dmg. And all this mesmer dodging doesn’t actually put their other spells on CD like it does for thief when the spam sb 3.

I am guessing Countless supposed to be someone “important” yet he doesn’t grasp total difference between sb3 spam and mes dodge spam? I am speechless.

The thief can dodge as much as a mesmer and much more if he wants too. Clones summoned by mesmers doding do not do considerable damage, not even close to it.

clones by itself already do more dmg than sb3 + you can use them for shatter, on top of it mesmer dodge doesn’t put mesmer spells on CD… my point stands, thief spamming sb3 didn’t accomplish anything while mesmer did

i enjoyed last days
during prime time
yaay
apprently i am suppose to carry 4v5 matches with rank 4 on my team, mkayyy

this crap happens more frequently than normal games i forgot when was last time i had decent 5v5 with players of same skill lv

…and what did that thief accomplish by dumping his entire ini into dodge? He certanly didn’t do any dmg, he won’t have enough ini to do anything meaningfull for a while, he wasted his heal on another dodge. Now compare it to current mesmers that spam dodges non stop to poop as much AI as possible that actually do considerable dmg. And all this mesmer dodging doesn’t actually put their other spells on CD like it does for thief when the spam sb 3.

I am guessing Countless supposed to be someone “important” yet he doesn’t grasp total difference between sb3 spam and mes dodge spam? I am speechless.

Lone Wolf.3718:

Cynz.9437:

mix of koda, aether and duelist, simple colors, character itself/wps are already too colorful heh

What dyes are you using?

midnight ice and blue ice

So we have a player here that actually by the looks of it spent quite some time doing pvp to get pvp archivements however in all this time he didn’t manage to learn the basics of movement and keybinding. Not only that he also apprently refuses to get any better or learn how to counter other classes and calls other players who actually put some effort into improving as “geeks”, “chicken” etc. Best part of it is that forums mods did amazing job at making sure that this guy doesn’ get offended by all means (we even got a red post here hey) yet he apprently is allowed to ridicule the entire pvp/wvw as well as thief community. I am speechless.

And this guy is actually the opnion he could deliever some valueable feedback and is competent enough to propose changes for a class he apprently has little experience on. All this just so he can easily kill (by using keyboard turn and clicking) a thief that probably invested a lot of time into improving his skill, a lot of gold/tokens on his armor.

I actually hope now that this thread won’t get deleted as it just shows WHAT kind of players ask for thief nerfs.

@OP: my offer still stands. Since thieves are so OP, go roll one and duel me. I won’t even play a thief, i will just play common meta class/build. Show me that OPness you are talking about. Don’t worry, i play on NA and know how to enter arena.

dat key… is still in my bank

entropy.9613:

Swagginator.3246:

zone.1073:

Solution: taking damage removes stealth.

Stealth balanced.

GOD YES, but add imo:,
if 20-30 % of life has been taken while in stealth, you will be revealed (or just add blood traces/ bloody footsteps, wutever)

% damage strips stealth sounds workable.

1 AA can drop thief below 50%…. so no, ty

Valentin.2073:

Cynz.9437:

so basically you chose a build that is not optimal for wvw and asks for nerfs for class that is only good at roaming….

not only that, you admit that you wiped the floor with that thief because they didn’t use stealth… doesn’t it prove how kittenty the class is w/o stealth

i don’t like it when i see a thief surviving a 1v3 fight. it doesnt feel right. you play tpvp too, right? do you see that happen there? no. i only get to see that in wvw because most thieves here abuse stealth.

you have many options to still be viable. d/d setup is not that bad but those d/p thieves just prefer to take the easy way.

I saw plenty of classes capable of doing that (hello PU mesmers, hello warriors, GUADIANS???), it is not something you see only thieves doing….i have a guildie, he plays necro, he 5v1 at some point and won the fight… and he plays hybrid necro build w/o dhuumfire….should we ask for major necro nerf now? The truth is WvW is unfair, you will never see it as balanced as pvp is because of 2 reasons:
- armor/level disparity
- no MMR that protects noob/bad players from skilled players (althrough soloq still fails at it sometimes)

On top of it, WvW spoils players, it teaches them that spamming 1 in big group is efficient. Most of them don’t even bother actually getting better at their class or learning anything, they just bring more numbers. If that thief managed to pull 3v1 then hat off for him, because honestly given thief survivability it is not exactly the easiest task.

As far as tpvp goes, yes i have seen ppl winning 3v1 fights althrough it is rare simply because how small map is and how easy it to come help your teammate. Also, above mentioned WvW “features” don’t really exist in pvp (lol HJ doesn’t count).

Honestly, define abuse stealth? I am not trying to defend perma stealth as i myself find it rather pointless (dumping all ini into stealth is not killing anyone), but the class IS built around stealth, how do you expect them to live other way? Should we blame guards for “abusing” boons? Should we blame eles for “abusing” heals?

What other options? Evade? Well, seems like players don’t like that either because S/D got nerfed majorly and PW is getting nerf as well. You tell players basically that because you find d/p unskillfull everyone should be forced to play d/d but then again you ask for stealth nerfs as far i understand? which is funny considering how d/d relies on stealth more than d/p.

Last note, you won’t see thieves using stealth as much in pvp due to conquest and team actually helping each other. In wvw you don’t have such option, you have to play for yourself, there is also no conquest. That is why 99% of the thieves you will meet in WvW run SA for more survival (which most traits ARE based on stealth), where in pvp thieves use trickery for team utility since they can rely on teammates to keep them up as well.

you should be running 100% crit chance from stealth anyway….

so basically you chose a build that is not optimal for wvw and asks for nerfs for class that is only good at roaming….

not only that, you admit that you wiped the floor with that thief because they didn’t use stealth… doesn’t it prove how kittenty the class is w/o stealth

30/30/30/30/30 build is so OP

ATMAvatar.5749:

I will reiterate: apply an immobilize immediately prior to vapor form and the ele will go nowhere.

Or perhaps stop killing them right next to portals.

You can certainly argue the merits of allowing a vapor form ele to pass through a portal, but there is a counter to vapor form like there is to every other downed #2.

the problem is not even gate
the problem is how many times it takes to kill ele in tpvp enviroment

pro tipp: reroll warrior

will save you the struggle

i am guessing OP wants thief class being deleted from game eh

saying that hey i blocked something but didn’t see it doesn’t make sense because irl is stupid argument.. same i could say about going invul and taking no dmg when i am obviously stabbing your face

if this change gets implemented, then block and invul shouldn’t work if i actually get backstab off from behind..i mean how do you even block something from behind :P

Chlupac.4936:

Cynz.9437:

you are so proud of this kitten map that everyone hates yet you can’t fix 4v5…no ready button, nothing…i am guess ready button would be too “boring” right?

i just had 3 matches in a row of 4v5….YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THIS IS FUN???? i feel like i am being ridiculed here… are you trying to make ppl quit your game?

And may I know what would you do about it ?
I know it IS NOT FUN but there is not much you could do about it. Some ppl may angry-leave, some have to go afk and some got disconnected.
Even if you would make some option for match search like “allow join as a substitute” for ongoing match, you still don’t know if that disconnected player would come back – it’s ‘his’ match and his team after all…

This is not just a problem in Guild Wars 2, but in many other online games – like DOTA. I don’t remember game ending 5v5! (truth is I don’t play that much, but still). Even in a game like Sim City it’s not pleasing when someone claims city in your region, makes a mess and never show up again.

Legaue has ready button, unless 10 ppl hit ready match doesn’t start. There are still trolls and ppl who go afk but they get punished hard with banns that make them unable to play at all. Punishment in GW2 is a joke in comparison.

As far as skyhammer goes, that kitten needs to be removed from soloq.

Evan Lesh.3295:

We’ve shown our prototype maps already for new game modes. Our current maps really are designed specifically for conquest. Trying to make a new game mode work on existing maps is really tough because options are so limited. Not to say it’s impossible, but I believe creating a map for a specific game mode really makes it fun to play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6pVBl7zUs

you are so proud of this kitten map that everyone hates yet you can’t fix 4v5…no ready button, nothing…i am guess ready button would be too “boring” right?

i just had 3 matches in a row of 4v5….YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THIS IS FUN???? i feel like i am being ridiculed here… are you trying to make ppl quit your game?

Carighan.6758:

Cynz.9437:

i don’t want ele nerfs but on the other hand ele is only class that literary can’t be stomped unless you wait forever

Which is 4 seconds, give or take.

it is enough to kitten up entire team

so a class is good at one role and some players decided to switch to them, now what?

mesmers aren’t bad, thieves are not exactly best class in game atm either, what is your point?

@Aiki: don’t listen to Burnfall, he been spamming thief forums with such nonsense forever

i don’t want ele nerfs but on the other hand ele is only class that literary can’t be stomped unless you wait forever

it is not a problem in 1v1 envioment, in tpvp it is huge problem however…. you down ele, he goes mist form, gets rez, you kill him again, same story etc etc. you also can’t really let him be as he will just kill your entire team with massive aoe… i had matches where we had to kill ele 5 times before he finally went down thanks to all the team rezzes and guard rez trait… it just takes too long, too many sacrifices and usually would cost you a game

i do believe some counter is needed; every down state has one but ele’s

Liza.2758:

tbh just make a char specially for that map…
i did it and i never have problem with this map again.
it’s very stupid to come to this map with normal build as well.

and THIS is issue with this map, you can’t play normally, you can’t run normal build, you have to run extra skyhammer character…

Ceraldor.3160:

Cynz.9437:

top players play full glass thieves…

you chose wrong class as an example; i can go full tank on thief and still die instantly but do virtually no dmg

If you do no damage with a soldier thief then this example perfectly fits you. When I’m playing a venom share soldier thief, I can melt any bunker together with one of my bunkers by coordinating unmitigatable damage through the trait Leeching Venoms.
As you can see, it all comes down to coordinating and playing skillfully.
And when you die instantly with a soldier thief with leeching venoms trait you are srsly doing something wrong. But flames by side – there are actually numbers which are proving my point that soldier thieves must live longer than zerker on average – you just have to open your hero panel and look under vitality and thoughness!

wow you actually believe that lol

why should i bring venom share thief when i can have necro? he still will live longer than your thief and have better sustain… besides pvt venom share thief doesn’t have good spike dmg

i went against ostrich egg team when they were running thief with venoms, they lost… i believe if they ran normal s/p or d/p thief they would have won

i agree bunkers will have better chance to win simply because even if they die they just can hold points longer but thief is just bad example lol; thieves just don’t have what makes a bunker bunker aka aegis, stability, big heals etc.

yeah… so far every single team that ignored home and didn’t send anyone there at begin, lost…. you would think ppl would learn from it

top players play full glass thieves…

you chose wrong class as an example; i can go full tank on thief and still die instantly but do virtually no dmg

Proven.2854:

Foefire is my second most disliked map. (Skyhammer the worst by far)

1. It’s too snowbally.
2. Mid is too large, favoring ever lasting bunker specs.
3. Its secondary objective/mechanic is only a factor at the end of a game, if at all.
4. Waterfall.

And from all the tournaments I’ve been watching lately, it’s also the most boring map from a spectator perspective.

lemme guess you play aoe spamming engi

Demonoid.1974:

This thief knows the class and communicates in matches. +1.

i can’t believe you made me play mm necro T_T

I came from wow (and other MMOs) and started to play GW2 because of pvp advertisment. I believed it would be first mmorpg game where devs care about pvp and actually work on it.

I don’t find class balance THAT bad in GW2 althrough it is also plagued by certain issues (hello AI, condi). GW2 overall is actually pretty good. Combat is interesting. LS should be every months not every 2 weeks imo.
What really really surprised me though is how undeveloped pvp system is in this game. It feels like alpha to me tbh. I did expect more and really hope they will improve it.

I only hate, abhor, despise, detest, loathe, abominate, anathematize, contemn, curse, disapprove, disdain, disfavor, am allergic to, disgusted with, sick of, can’t stand, feel malice, an aversion to, have enough of Skyhammer and Spirit watch.

Yet still not enough words to express my hate toward those maps.

because good ele is rare and top teams plays max cheese anyway

I main thief. My team needed home bunker, forced me to play MM that i have 0 exp on. We won all matches but 1. All i did was spamming 1 2 3 4 5, swap, 1 2 3 4 5. And it is not like we weren’t fighting good teams.

So kitten brainless.

i love being forced to play crap i hate~

Valentin.2073:

i see thieves all over this thread defending their broken class. lmao

i’m sure majority of these thieves dont do spvp at all because they dont have the skill for it. they enjoy running a class in a place that wont require them to use their brains at all (wvw is the only place where they can abuse stealth).

i cant wait for these no-skill braindead players get the nerf they all deserve.

something tells me i was higher ranked than you ever were

there is penalty however team is still kittened :/
just had an amazing 3v5

i don’t get it, why do people even queue up when they are not gonna play

Yasha.5963:

Amaterasu.6280:

Oh and spamming BP against a s/p thief is dumb…don’t do it.

Why is BP no good against pistol whip?

because BP blind pulses slower than PW attack speed, you will eat pretty much entire pw even if thief sits in BP

eh… everyone is already running full bunker max cheese mode…

give thieves survivability and they will stop going in stealth

still looking -_-

Sanduskel.1850:

it’s pretty fun to spam 5k+ hits over and over again on my thief! don’t take away my fun

where did you crawl out?

Valentin.2073:

Cynz.9437:

another zergling refusing to learn how to fight other class

refusing to learn? lol

i play thief in pvp and i know how the class works. i just find it absurd how no-skill a thief can be in wvw. if you think you are running a hard spec as a thief in wvw, you are only fooling yourself.

you know what is absurd? mm necro, any warrior build, PU mesmer… etc. those require no positional awarness, no ini managment, too forgiving, too effective

Every time i go in wvw i see staff guardians spamming 1, i see warriors mashing 12345 and sitting in blinds all day instead of getting a clue and actually walk out of it, i see rangers just spamming AA, i see mesmers going stealth non stop and letting ai do all the work etc etc.

Many players in wvw are lazy, they just wanna spam 1 and collect bags. Nobody ever tries to use interrupts, nobody ever tries to use CCs properly, nobody uses aoe, nobody bothers with stealth trap. Players backpedal, have no positional awarness, just faceroll all day. I salute to all those thieves killing such players, they deserve to get killed in wvw.

Thieves are not even top class atm, in many areas they are bottom feeders but keep crying, keep complain, no nerf in the world will make bad players better.

another zergling refusing to learn how to fight other class

edit: for more pics, scroll down

Hello everyone,

i actually rarely draw anymore but contest from Sofia (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/fangen/Drawing-Contest-featuring-big-ingame-prizes/first#post3499707, thanks again Sofia) got me into painting stuff again, hehe

I usually don’t have enough patience to paint longer than 1-2 hours, so this thread probably won’t contain anything super detailed but i thought i would share anyway.
Say hello to my sylvari thief

Feel free to post some screenshots, maybe i will sketch one of those

p.s. since so many ppl asked, my DA page: http://end-reitanna.deviantart.com/
p.s.s commision thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/creations/Commision-slots-closed/first#post4755748

actually just hit 40 too, sound on 2nd part is indeed missing o.o