Guild Wars 2

…stop forcing thief to bunker home node…. it does not work. No, it doesn’t. Just stop.

3 wars 1 guard on my team, they make my thief defend home…. and this happens like every game. You would say, just leave home. Well, home is capped by enemy now, entire team kitten s at mid….yeaaaaaaa.

All is vain.

Sceinna.3561:

Cynz.9437:

…and what did you accomplish by wasting ini like that?

daze spam? it does like no dmg, what do you kill ppl with? AA?

The daze spamming doesn’t happen in 1v1, it’s in larger fights. Any build that runs D/P is cheese, you stealth out of thin air, period.

Low risk high reward, it shouldn’t be like that.

@Chicago, 9 out of 10 do run 30 SA on D/P, all my points still stand I think. On the other hand I have no clue how D/P should be balanced without destroying certain builds.

so in xvx situation thief decided to use head shot as form of CC instead of doing dmg, i don’t see where problem is

Ok, d/p can stealth, so can any thief honestly… as d/d i can walk to NPC/clone etc. and get stealth off, as s/x i don’t even need stealth… stealth is core mechanic of the class, what is the problem of thief being able to go in stealth?

It is not low risk either, it costs 9 ini to go in stealth, it is easiy interruptable, can be easily countered by CCs, aoe spam etc., BP gives out your position as well, BS is not THAT easy to land on any half decent player as well and you traded 9 ini for it…. again what is the problem here? I can kill you easily with scepter AA spam on necro w/o using ANY spells, that is what i call low risk, high reward.

Stealth is actually huge disadvantage in pvp mode because it is all about point capture, hence you NEVER have thieves defending points. You will NEVER see a thief in pvp using perma stealth nor wasting ini for headshot unless it is to stop stomps etc.

Funny enough d/p is not even most popular build in pvp nor wvw actually. In pvp most ppl run s/p, in wvw i see more d/d or p/d than anything. Last time i saw d/p was….2 weeks ago? in our tower. Stealth trap made him run for his life lol.

I would rather fight d/p at any given time (be it even Caed) than kitteng AI/condi spam kitten we see atm in pvp.

…and what did you accomplish by wasting ini like that?

daze spam? it does like no dmg, what do you kill ppl with? AA?

i wasted your last posted video, you kill uplvs in 3v3 situation… that is why d/p op? i am confused

lyssa is not even that great for thieves actually, ogre is way better but as long as condis and CCs fly around like crazy thieves are forced to use it

don’t nerf solution, nerf the problem (aka conditions) and people will stop using it…

besides, OP your argumentation about thieves is (sry to say it) kitten…thieves either have stealth or evades but not both, it is 2 different builds unlesss we are talking about 30/30/30/30/30 build with every weapon set available~

just another proof anet has no idea what is going on in wvw/pvp

they removed counter when HSwas buffed/cleansing ire was added

there is no weakness now heh

in soloq while trying not to pull hair out because of another kitteng skyhammer in a row

because we totally need another condition…

no, ty

there is no strategy to deal with rude ppl except of ignoring them because we don’t even have an option to report afkers

Writetyper.1985:

Cynz.9437:

Penguin.5197:

I find this thread pretty amusing. Heres a build for a specific game mode for a specific point on the map that was made to use an engineers greatest strength to its advantage.

And of course the engineer is gonna push away the pont defender and cap. You know why? Because the defender went bunker and can’t kill for crap and engineers have strong area conrol.

There are skills and traits that help against cc and bypass blocking status but five dollars say no one takes them, they’ll just rather take the easy way and come complain on forums.

which one should i take on my thief? i am all ear

hard to catch :~)

nice joke lol

Justin ODell.9517:

Cynz.9437:

How do you explain that when it happens to ppl that play at top 1000?

Not enough people in the queue at the same time around the same MMR. Also, the distance in MMR between #1 and 50% isn’t as wide as people tend to think.

i do not believe it

how come rank 300 gets paired with player that just started to pvp, at prime time too

zerker change won’t do anything to pve, ppl will still run it

this change will only affect wvw and yeah i would switch to condi because apprently anet wants us to play condi in pvp/wvw

Penguin.5197:

I find this thread pretty amusing. Heres a build for a specific game mode for a specific point on the map that was made to use an engineers greatest strength to its advantage.

And of course the engineer is gonna push away the pont defender and cap. You know why? Because the defender went bunker and can’t kill for crap and engineers have strong area conrol.

There are skills and traits that help against cc and bypass blocking status but five dollars say no one takes them, they’ll just rather take the easy way and come complain on forums.

which one should i take on my thief? i am all ear

Justin ODell.9517:

jayvux.4128:

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This probably happened because you are very near the starting MMR. It happens, but we are working on improving things so it won’t happen nearly as often.

Dahkeus.8243:

So many people in this community bash newbies…

With good reason. They aren’t very good.

One of several reasons I’m glad we’re going to keep ranks. (Thanks, community!) Ranks should act as a decent proxy for game-knowledge, allowing us to place people better.

Newbies can learn with people that won’t dominate them, which is good because that isn’t very fun. Trolls, err… veterans won’t have to worry as much about picking up the slack. Win/Win.

How do you explain that when it happens to ppl that play at top 1000?

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cynz.9437:

mix of koda, aether and duelist, simple colors, character itself/wps are already too colorful heh

Incinerator has an aura now?

only when you switch weps or pull it out

i hate any AI based classes (mesmers, rangers, mm necros) because franky half of the job is done by computer and makes up for player mistakes, add asura small size + pet blocking + cluster kitten on the screen abuse, you get the idea

sadly, AI is strong atm and it is not that easy to “slap” them around but i try

…how Khylo or Temple looks like. I completely forgot. All i see is skyhammer and spirit watch~

Someone send me screenshot or something :’(

dear anet, thank you for nerfing mindless dodge+ai spam on mes /bow

man those rank 1 must have had fun lol

i slowly start to think system does it on purpose

when i am on winning streak, i start to get non stop such matches, where my team consists of obviously new pvpers vs rank 50-60s with amazing mix of non stop skyhammer and spirit watch

Rezzet.3614:

10% isnt that big of a damage drop

um…. backstab dmg, kill shot, one shot eles….10% from that dmg is huge

i personally spent like 300+ g just remaking my entire set and buying new trinkets to get extra 14% crit dmg; now it is all gonna land in the toilet thanks to anet

this change is indirect huge buff to condi builds, because you know they are so weak….

yeaaaaaaaah, let’s nerf direct dmg while we are in condi meta /tabelflip

this change is as brainless and not thought through dhummfire change from the past

the best joke, this change will change ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in pve, ppl will still run full zerk

redslion.9675:

Argon.1563:

Rank does not = skill.

No, but when I fight people with less than rank 10 I notice it.

doesn’t apply to all

i have a guildmate, he is like rank 20? but he is around rank 150 or so on leaderboards…why? he did a lot of time in wvw and actually know how to fight

Can you please stop making Living story for BG? Just had another “awesome” in game experience where i was kicked into OF and we had only very few ppl on Marionette. Needless to say we failed due lack of players.

In perfect case you would need 25 ppl on each lane, that is 125 ppl on map. Not every server can even pull that.

I don’t even bother with wurm anymore. ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS.

I understand lack of development for pvp, i understand how long it takes to make changes in wvw since main focus is LS and pve. BUT WHY IN THE WORLD DO YOU DESIGN UPDATES FOR BLACKGATE???? I understand you guys have whole anet guild over there but we are not all playing there.

Hard content? Sure. But not for BG only please. Queen’s Jubilee was perfect example of how you can make LS hard and yet available for normal player that doesn’t necessary play on BG.

Dagins.5163:

Advantage? You have an interrupt on your steal, and as d/p you can interrupt pistol whip. S/P thief can’t interrupt any of your moves.

actually s/p can but it is harder to land and it is melee

Narcarsis.5739:

When I refuge downed players who are getting stomped I always make sure to roll over their incapacitated body and then place it precisely back where it was prior to the stomp attempt. Just sayin’ – maybe the thief learned to do the same.

Caed, the corpse shuffler lol

bhagwad.4281:

Cynz.9437:

bhagwad.4281:

How did everyone get the idea that I was playing an engi. I said I got an engi down. As a mesmer with all my knockbacks on CD, there was no hope. None at all. My phantasms require a target to work.

there are some things i can’t stop either… like mist form stomps, or shelter etc.

as far as mesmers go, use chaos storm… if you didn’t have it… well, you got outplayed

you shouldn’t be winning 2v1 anyway and your team failed at assisting you

Outplayed? Really? That’s the word you choose to use to describe winning a fight and then being pounced on by another when exhausted with all CDs down? Jeez, I wonder what kind of superman standards people here have. But I’m fairly sure all this is just Internet hero talk. In actuality, no one in my position would have stood a chance, so let’s stop pretending that this is something to do with skill.

Outplayed. Yeah right. I wonder what people would call the opposite of outplayed then. I should have just drunk my magic potion and taught the whole opposing team a lesson! Hey, losing a 2v1 starting at low health means one is outplayed!

well you did get outplayed, your team failed at assisting you, while enemy team assisted the engi… so yes, you or your team rather got outplayed… it has nothing to do with stealth, it has something to do with your team not paying attention

you can’t win every fight, you won’t always get the stomp too

asking to nerf stealth like this because your team failed at simple team play mehcanics is plain stupid

as it stands, you basically complain that you didn’t win 2v1… if mesmers were always able to win 2v1 then everyone would run it and it would be just broken

oh and btw, mesmers do exactly same thing, they can use stealth to save their downed teammates

mix of koda, aether and duelist, simple colors, character itself/wps are already too colorful heh

omg..that was so good hahhahaa

bhagwad.4281:

How did everyone get the idea that I was playing an engi. I said I got an engi down. As a mesmer with all my knockbacks on CD, there was no hope. None at all. My phantasms require a target to work.

there are some things i can’t stop either… like mist form stomps, or shelter etc.

as far as mesmers go, use chaos storm… if you didn’t have it… well, you got outplayed

you shouldn’t be winning 2v1 anyway and your team failed at assisting you

bhagwad.4281:

rmBossa.4621:

“Yes they are still there in stealth for your attacks not stomps. So attack!”

Technicality. If they’re there, they should die. It’s a stake through the body. How do they suddenly survive that just because they’re in stealth?

Look, I’m ok with people saying “It’s ridiculous yeah, but well, that’s GW2 for you”. What I get kittened over is people defending this nonsense.

if we gonna start trying to make sense, assume that stealth is like blinding powder… you try to stake some guy, i run to you, blind you and move body just 1 bit away… your stake will miss, even irl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UfJCNJScumk#t=30

spam aoe, works like magic…instead of 1 corpse there are 2 lol

i understand why people hate stealth, but honestly it is one of the reason why people bring thieves

if we start nerf things like this we might as well remove war banner, guard revive bubble, any kind of invul, rez elixir etc etc.

besides OP, you yourself used invul to get stomp off, that is more cheesy than any stealth tbh…what should have thief done in that situation, he can’t touch you really

as far as match goes, you lost it not only because of tranq

The issue is, rank really doesn’t matter. I met rank 50-60 players and they were really bad.

Not quite sure how to fix that tbh outside of remaking HJ completely. In legaue you could queue for unranked matches and it would consider your hidden MMR and even though it is not ranked match you usually would fight players similar to your skill lv.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cynz.9437:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cynz.9437:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Hah, I like how Thief S/P is banned. It got a minor buff along with the hard hit on IR, and somehow it’s OP now. Because logic. And he didn’t even bother banning D/P Trickery, which is more cheese than S/D could ever hope to be.

S/P can’t even perma evade. Shows how much OP knows about the class.

s/p is pretty brainless though… i main thief btw :P

It’s only brainless if you think that spamming 3 is how you win, which is not how the set is played. S/P has a higher skill floor that most thieves can’t/don’t bother to reach, and in higher levels of tournament play it’s easy to see a good thief using S/P compared to a bad/new one.

PW precast + IR is sooo harddddd (eyesroll)

I don’t get why people think that PW is a burst skill at all. 2 hits are guaranteed, for a whopping 2k crit if you’re lucky. I get why you think it’s mindless, but no decent S/P thief uses PW as the main source of damage, as it’s just an initiative hog. Sword AA does much more damage and provides perma cripple and weakness, ruining anyone running burst with AoE cleave, and Pistol 5 is fantastic for safely burning down melee bunkers and far point assaulters. Pistol Whip is a utility, not a direct damage source. When you learn that, you find that S/P isn’t as easy as you thought it was. I’d love to see videos of your top-tier thief play running S/P just to show the world how easy it is. Until then, go ahead and believe that misguided notion you’ve got.

Also: You can’t even use IR with PW precast anymore, and it wasn’t even a good combo when it was possible before IR got a cast time nearly 2 months ago. I like how you bring that up and are trying to argue against S/P when clearly you’re so biased against sword thieves that you haven’t even tried or followed the events leading up to or past December 10th.

ya my bad, ment IS

either way, idk what game you are playing but every single thief i see is running s/p atm and all spam 3 non stop

no, my point is: anet won’t change anything no matter how much we complain… look at past few months patches, they speak for themself

suggestions? constructive feedback? get real… none of that matters or is even read…

the only person who reads what we write is forum mods to make sure we are not rude to each other or devs

(walks out of another 4v5 skyhammer match….)
edit1: oh look another skyhammer…
edit2: oh look spirit watch…

how do you manage to design a game so bad that ppl actually start to hate pvp?

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cynz.9437:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Hah, I like how Thief S/P is banned. It got a minor buff along with the hard hit on IR, and somehow it’s OP now. Because logic. And he didn’t even bother banning D/P Trickery, which is more cheese than S/D could ever hope to be.

S/P can’t even perma evade. Shows how much OP knows about the class.

s/p is pretty brainless though… i main thief btw :P

It’s only brainless if you think that spamming 3 is how you win, which is not how the set is played. S/P has a higher skill floor that most thieves can’t/don’t bother to reach, and in higher levels of tournament play it’s easy to see a good thief using S/P compared to a bad/new one.

PW precast + IR is sooo harddddd (eyesroll)

once again, i would even pay gems or w/e they want just so i have option to remove skyhammer from my soloq rotation…

only ppl who like it is engi mains… hello Grouch~

Viking Jorun.5413:

Hah, I like how Thief S/P is banned. It got a minor buff along with the hard hit on IR, and somehow it’s OP now. Because logic. And he didn’t even bother banning D/P Trickery, which is more cheese than S/D could ever hope to be.

S/P can’t even perma evade. Shows how much OP knows about the class.

s/p is pretty brainless though… i main thief btw :P

Will we see any chance to change stats (one time) on ascended armor? Because this change is rather drastic and full ascended set (weapons + armor + trinkets) can go up to 300g costs…

Also why is condi armor is not touched? Condis meta is ruining this game atm, why nerf direct dmg builds?

• tow line
• thief
• uses 4 initiative to pull yourself to enemy and stun yourself (yes yourself, not enemy) while only cripling the enemy -> makes 0 sense, not sure if it is a bug or intended, 0 response from anet up to date

• traps
• thief
• too long CD, too little effect, too high opportunity costs -> nobody uses them

brannigan.9831:

Someone mentioned every class has at least one class they are guaranteed to be able to kill 1v1. At equal skill level, not counting any seriously underpowered classes, what class can Guardians beat most of the time? Not crying or anything because Guards are strong in a team sense but really to me they are a poor 1v1 class at equal skill level.

zerker GS guard can kitten on thieves…easy

anet:
- nerfs choke bomb because hey 1 sec extra poison is OP
- nerfs infr. strike because omg thieves can get stomp off

- 0 kittens given about imbalance on skyhammer
- 0 kittens given about imbalance on spirit watch
- 0 kittens given about AI ruining pvp
- 0 kittens given about wars stupid survivability
- 0 kittens given about port/floor bug
- 0 kittens given about condi meta
- 0 kittens given about lack of maps
- 0 kittens given about engis being stupid broken as decap or on skyhammer
- 0 kittens given about 4v5

LOOK AT THIS PRIORITIES! (slowclap) Put so much effort, time and money into changing some low priority stuff (some of changes didn’t even make ANY SENSE WHATSHOWEVER) but completely ignore the biggest complains that been there FOR MONTHS!

P.S. yes, i typed kittens… cats, animals… those creatures with 4 legs

PvP – Player(s) versus player(s), or PvP, is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants.This is in contrast to games where players compete against computer controlled opponents, which is correspondingly referred to as player versus environment (PvE).

Dear Anet, what part of this defintion^^ is hard to understand??? If i wanted to fight AI i would go pve. I go to pvp to fight players and not their horde of pets.

You know why it is issue? Because CCing/focusing player doesn’t do kitten. Their pets will still kill you. Aoe cap isn’t helping the issue either.

1 MM necro is not so bad, 5 of them is just unplayable. Stop promoting kittenty lazy gameplay, stop making pvp easy for lazy terrible players, that is what pve is for.

NERF AI, ty.

P.S. the pet nova “nerf” won’t change anything, fyi.
P.S.S. inb4 go play MM and then talk, guess what? I did. And it was most faceroll thing i ever played, spam marks on the point and watch pets do all the job. CD managment? Kiting? Dodge? Naaaaah, doesn’t matter. Unless you get zerged you won’t lose point.

i wonder if fractal back will also carry over…

Celeras.4980:

Shinobi.3240:

Celeras.4980:

You think you got it bad? See below. I don’t care what gear or what spec is being used, nobody should be global’d from stealth without a chance to react. Especially when running 3/6 Knights, 3/6 Valk, and half soldier accessories.

Your situation is obviously somewhat different as full-on bunker, but the point remains: thief damage is too high considering their stealth and crazy mobility.

Nice Sword you got there … Ever tried to use weapon skill number 2?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blurred_Frenzy

I am pretty sure you wouldn´t get hit by the Backstab if you act quick enough.

Lol. Yeah, silly me for being terrible and not seeing the combo coming entirely from stealth. I’ll try harder to hit an evade in between two hits for 22,000 damage.

Except that an evaded Backstab doesn’t even reveal the thief from stealth, so it accomplishes nothing since they just spam it.

actually it does..
1. you don’t get hit so you don’t lose HP
2. chance that thief loses stealth is high
3. besides if you actually dodged bs you can see the text so you know where thief is

pro tipp: use chills and cripples, they mess up bs by a lot

anything with sword mainhand acrobatics and trickery i say

i been asking to look into tow line forever, i don’t think it is even anywhere on the bottom of the todo list -_-

using 4 ini to pull yourself to enemy and stun yourself makes as much sense as “fake kittens on zombie”

i kill hambow on d/p usually

if i didn’t, it is mostly due to my mistake, no CDs or war had help

aoe and ai needs nerf..major one

Dahkeus.8243:

Idk…I think it’s pretty unfair to the teams who lost because of 4 v 5.

If your internet is unstable, you should probably stick to hotjoins.

^^this

when i lag i don’t do ranked

why don’t we just replace thief spell bars with empty slots, make them unable to move, rename them into walking loot bag and call it a day?

they are not exactly best class atm, in any areas of the game…

OP probably ragequit game after GF left him lol

All is vain