Guild Wars 2

…LA? If you got Scarlet diary you can see maps and there is one showing LA with 4 red crosses on entrances?

Also, if you talk to Captain Gnashblade, he will complain about how how troops are sent out of LA and that Scarlet gonna hit LA one day~

Liza.2758:

bro “you can buy gears in PvE but you cant buy skin.”

if you want arah skins you have to work your kitten off for it.

if you want invader skins you have to kill people in wvw for a while to earn it.

while in spvp you can easily get from chests

because skipping half of arah and karma training is hard yo

i wanna wear my pve look in pvp Q_Q

help tow line 2014

Latest patch made me realize why people xfer to BG: Anet makes new content for servers like BG. If your server is not overpopulated, GL getting any content done.

it is not the map, it is the server

happens from time to time regardless what map it is

oh god DAT scrlet face hahahaa

make logan next o.o

Viking Jorun.5413:

Lord.4270:

Thief are good, but people wants necro warrior guardian

Nobody wants a necro in serious PvP. Their lack of stability, condition removal, almost 0 sustain, and ghastly lack of mobility pretty much make them a liability since they can’t hold their own on point for very long as a bunker, can’t burst like a thief/ele, and can’t stack conditions like they can in PvE/WvW due to their lack of condition duration, making Dhuumfire necros the only mediocre PvP build that is viable outside of MM AI spam in team fights.

Most good teams have:

• A warrior
• A guardian
• Another guardian
• A thief/burst ele
• Condispam; Engie does it better. So does Spirit Ranger which also has team support (their new spirit heal essentially gives healing signet to the entire team)

waaaaaaaaatttttt… necros are awesome… idk about rank 1, but ppl around rank 200ish run necros….o.o

Arkantos.7460:

@Cynz
scroll back , I already postet some modified Suggestion

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explanations, excuses, no real suggestions, is there anything ppl can bring on to this thread, except real suggestions to fix the nearly mindless stealthspamming d/p set,
like a warrior defending his nearly OP HS …. nothing else

you honestly compare blackpowder to HS?….wow

there were plenty of arguments brought why it shouldn’t be changed, if they don’t fit you, sorry, but i think nothing would

as far as suggestions go, you won’t see any simply because there is NO, absolutely NO good reason so drastically change a spell that is not broken and is not OP

“mindlessly spamming stealth” thief is not killing anyone, NOBODY would ever even think about spamming stealth in pvp… wvw is kitteng joke ruled by zerg, key 1 spam, food etc. and can’t be used as measure of what should be nerfed and not

oh look spirit watch, heavily favored toward warriors…we all should play warriors, right anet?

oh and guess who won? the team who had a warrior (yep, it was my team but still)

Yep, here we go: second skyhammer in a row~

remove that kitten please

Anet, do you guys just enjoy the fact that people hate that map so much? Sry, not everyone is Grouch and plays engi.

You know what? Every time i get skyhammer i will make a post in this thread.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Cynz.9437:

I will even pay you kitteng 1800 gems just not to get skyhammer and spirit watch in soloq anymore. PLEASEEEEEEEE remove that crap already THANK YOU.

What is wrong with spirit watch? People don’t like skyhammer because you get 1 shot by being bashed off a cliff. Spirit watch doesnt really have that does it?

Spirit watch comes down to which team has warriors and which doesn’t. It is as imbalanced as skyhammer.

I will even pay you kitteng 1800 gems just to have option to never get skyhammer or spirit watch in soloq anymore. PLEASEEEEEEEE remove that crap already THANK YOU.

solution is simple: revert change to sigils ty

nah they should add scarlet after each time you fail at running orbs lol

but ya dredge needs more dredge… i mean cowbell

Terravos.4059:

For the same reason People have called for nerfs to stealth since DAOC, Because Stealth is incredibly overpowered in pretty much every game.

The Stealthers itself have been becoming more and more silly as time has gone on as well.

You look at a DAOC stealther, Something that wasn’t a “Light Tank” but instead something that had to rely on landing a Backstab usually or swapping tons of weapons with poison to bring down a foe… to something like WoW, where now The Stealther is basically the Light Tank with a crap ton of utility thrown in.. and since the traditional role of a stealther in an RPG isn’t used in MMO’s (Disabling traps, opening locks ect ect) they’ve been pretty much pigeoned holed into basically being a Melee Range Heavy Nuker class.

Now with that said.. People dislike running into a class that can pop on them for massive amounts of damage that usually ends the fight.

GW2 takes this 10 steps further, by giving class all the toys that past MMO’s have tacked onto Stealthers, like Evades, Blinds, CC, and gives it the ability to go into stealth over and over again… People didn’t like fighting Stealthers when they could unload on them at the start of the fight, Being able to do it over and over again and when they get in trouble, simply vanish at the drop of the hat just makes people angry.

So yes, people will continue to complain, You’ll just have to accept that..

um my rogue in wow had waaaaay more tools than thieves in this game will ever have~

i think she had something like 60+ keybinds if i recall correctly lol

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Cynz.9437:

warriors have too many of those “best” things, that is the problem

yes, warriors will always have many of these so called “best” things because warriors are meant to be the easiest profession to play.

by the way, warriors still die every now and then even with many of these “best” things.

can all classes just get all those “best” thing and we call it a day heh

OP, your problem is you believe that d/p doesn’t have counter which leads me to think you never faced any half decent player. WvW, that is infested with spam key 1 zerglings, can not be a measure of skill, sorry. As stated above there are plenty of builds/classes that can counter d/p.

I don’t like your suggestion at all, it take away controll from d/p when to use stealth and when to use blinds. You suggestion will make BP very clunky. Also as said before, unless p/p is majorly nerfed somewhere else i would rather not see that braindead set getting free stealth. Same goes for s/p.

Do not change what is not broken. There are plenty issues in wvw and pvp, there are plenty issues with thieves themself, BP isn’t one of them.

sry, your veilbot is playing with us thieves now

because warriors are very tanky regardless what build they run, they can stay alive long enough to execute those long spells and those spells also hit kitten hard or have pretty long CC

if you got hit my hammer stun and don’t have stun break you can pretty much say hello to graveyard

besides i have yet to meet a class with infinite dodge that would be able to dodge ALL of those obvious attacks

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

coglin.1867:

How about you, did you play any other profession at launch?
Let me ask you this. Do you have a better argument then
“We have always had this mobility and it will not change, so deal with it”
Honestly, you need a better reason then this.

i played mesmer after i realized my warrior was kissing the floor often back then.
till now, the stats still record my mesmer as most played profession.
i started playing warrior again in sPvP after they started introducing dogged march, cleansing ire etc. and then the healing signet well deserved fix.

and yes, deal with it.
mesmers have illusions, why dun you ask for mesmer to remove illusions too?
thieves have stealth, lets remove stealth also yay.
necromancers have death shroud, remove it!

seriously, warriors are fast. deal with it.
quit your whining and complaining.

every professions is unique, warriors have the best landspeed.
now would you kindly please stop beating this dead horse?

warrior’s “best landspeed” never was a problem.
never will be.
always working as intended.

warriors have too many of those “best” things, that is the problem

fun fact, anet said long ago that conditions supposed to be warrior’s weakness but we know what happend

i play my thief w/o any condi clear except for lyssa runes… current meta is indeed very painful

while i can’t stand warriors and found them easy to play (i play mine in wvw mostly) i do think condi meta itself needs to be nerfed before any condi cleansing traits/spells nerfs

the whole condi tank thing needs to go, you shouldn’t be able to build full tank and do silly dmg via condis

Stand The Wall.6987:

I know right?!?!
This update has really got me excited for logging into wvw every day. Its a game changer for sure!

actually, afte trying to get marionette down and watching entire map getting screwed because only 1 guy got on plaform made me realize how much more fun wvw/pvp is

Arganthium.5638:

A better question would be- why is warrior’s HP so high?

because they are supposed to be semi tanky melee fighter…which is all fine a good… however they ended up having high moblity, good ranged dmg (wat), quite few CCs and the supposed weakness to conditions is non existant

they have too much of everything and that is the problem

“warrior” class exists in every game, it is one of those classes that is easy and fogiving so even bad player can still succeed in game thus feeling awesome and having motivation to play more… sadly many players are bad, or don’t pay attention or are not interested in getting good, or lag, reasons may vary… alone by running fractals for past few months i saw so many people fail at simpliest mechanics it made me lose faith in human intelligence…

i don’t believe anet will ever fix warriors the way they should… majority of ppl like to play OP classes and “own” stuff; if warriors were actually fixed the average Joe would have nothing to do but sit in LA and probably quit game

this post is not to blame Anet,my point is that every MMORPG has this kind of class and nothing will ever be changed

P.S. obviously it is just my opinion, based on experience from other games i played before

after bunch of tries all i gotta say: kitten living story, i am done with it or anything that comes in the future

Rezzet.3614:

this is why you use map chat and coordinate before everything starts

make sure every lane has at least 20-25 people

you think we didn’t? it still happend that there was only 1 guy at one platform

buy weapons, throw in MF, get precursors, get rich~

Ensign.2189:

Something between 13:1 and 15:1. Shouldn’t make a big difference. What do you switch?

well i run sold/valk/zerk on armor and zerker trinkets, changes gonna hit trinkets pretty hard so i will have to rearrange the entire set… probably will have to change armor to zerker and change some trinkets to soldier..idk the exact effect yet so i can’t answer that question

the problem is not the grind itself but the amount of money i lose because of such change

Coltz.5617:

Cynz.9437:

Majority are probably sitting in matches anyway but ya

I never see much people on HoM ever.. Btw people there have.. interesting names, speaks volumes.

there are usually more… i guess YB has some pvp population heh

Majority are probably sitting in matches anyway but ya

Scarlet owns Black Lion TP hence the funds, doh

Randulf.7614:

Wurm is bugged on our server, so I’ve not seen it yet. I have no reason to disbelieve that isn’t what the real wurm looks like, so gratz on first kill!!!!

same here
bugged on our server GG

after this patch?

i really wish they would just scrap entire sigil change idea..-_-

they are fine as they are right now

they should allow us to trade glory for karma…<_<

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cynz.9437:

Sparda.9750:

just delete us
why? i’m tired to read posts about nerfs

and give us free lv 80 warrior in full ascended armor with legendary ty

Then sell legendary, buy full ascended for teefz and pwn face.

All is Vain.

my thief already has full ascended armor + trinkets + legendary; if they deleted the class i would lose all of it ._.

Sparda.9750:

just delete us
why? i’m tired to read posts about nerfs

and give us free lv 80 warrior in full ascended armor with legendary ty

btw, that dev spammed unload in preview…not sb 1…<_<

i don’t get kicked from dungeons because i am the one who opened them heeeeheeee
i don’t get kicked from pvp team because i killed my teammates in duels before heeehee

i do understand where OP comes from, as a thief you have to be the one starting the initiative; nobody will come and ask you to join them, nobody will gladly invite you unless you proved them you are good

i could log on my necro (which all honestly i am not so great at) and people will gladly take it for pvp team w/o questioning my skills on that character.. same goes for my warrior…yet all i see is constant QQ about thieves simply because the class is not designed to fight toe to toe like training dummy, this is the sad side of this game

Arkantos.7460:

Cynz.9437:

…..lastly i am honestly not sure if you really do tpvp, i couldn’t find you name on any leaderboards….

i myself been hanging around rank 250-300 ……

this sentences sounds more like …." I have no more arguments to comment so I have to give an advice on my rank to get you know, my skill and knowledge is even higher then yours" ……

this is not the Topic of this thread
by the way, you over 380 now,
and also, leatherboard is nothing or do you want to tell us, that the higher rate you get, the more skill/knowledge you have ….

i typed that only because that guy claimed to do a lot fo tpvp and tried to backup his argument with it… i however start to doubt it and simply wanted to show how silly it is to post something like that

but sure go ahead and flame me for it if it is only thing you can post about blackpowder suggestion

guards can dish out silly high dmg if they go dps
bunkers/troll guards are already almost unkillable unless you bring army of necros

so no ty

as far as warriors go, they are just stupid broken atm and anet just babysits them, we don’t need another broken class in this game

Superhoops.8956:

Lol @ warrior!!!!!

you know what is really funny
in wow warriors were exactly same

@Asomal: what does thief one mean?

Gw2 pvp is great but skyhammer and spirit watch are still in soloq rotation

There is always that platform where only one person gets teleported to. He can never kill the champ and event fails every time. You also can’t really controll who gets on that platform.

Is this supposed to be “challenge”, “fun”?

- you can’t mindlessly use BP + HS for simple reason – initiative; if you just spam it you won’t kill anyone, if you use it to kill someone you have revealed debuff anyway

- why does d/p have to be punished? thieves are not exactly riding the OP train atm nor is d/p most OP set, for pvp at least; i see more sword main hand thieves than anything else

- why does d/p have to have even more problems sticking to target as it already does? the entire d/p dmg comes from BS, if you don’t land it you are already punished…

- as long as game is flooded with condi tanks, all-in-one-win-package warriors there is NO, absolutely no reason why d/p has to be changed so drastically

- d/p already has it weakness, you dmg comes from bs, you HAVE to land it, even if you get stealth up BP oes give away your position, good place to get aoe there if you failed to interrupt BP or HS; BP+HS has already long kitten execution time and is too obvious

- as far as i know most new thieves play s/p…. but honestly it is hardly an argument, idk why it should be even used to nerf something that is not broken to ruin game for the sake of noobs…

- worst player not gonna survive with that set, that is an extraggeration… again fail argument w/o any proof

- please explain how d/p can abuse non broken spell.. i am all ear

- p/p maybe could use a buff but it would have to get nerfed as well simply because how safe ranged weapon vs melee is; if you wanna buff the set do it w/o breaking other sets ty

- so basically to get stealth off on a group i would have to sacrifice the common survival utilities just because you want p/p buffed and d/p nerfed… no ty

- just because you played since launch and did your own theorycrafting (guess what we all do at some point), doesn’t mean you are right

- certanly not everyone bothers interrupting BP-> HS but it is not even necessary in many cases, if thief got it off it doesn’t garantee them a kill; i also don’t get interrupred as much when i lay marks on my necro or spam hammer on my warrior, should all those weapon sets be nerfed because oh noesssssss ppl didn’t interrupt (or weren’t capable) every single of them?

- by your logic every spell with in this game is cheesy then…hi, i put putrid mark on the floor and trasnfered all condis on me to enemy, so cheese… hey ele put water field on the flow and i used cluster bomb on it for heal, so cheese

- everyone uses stacking sigils, this argument is pointless

- actually plenty of weapon sets can accomplish of never dying or rather in fact many classes can do it, again what is your point? just an example: especially in wvw, i can do d/d, if i ended up in bad situtation i can just walk up to NPC or tower door and cnd from it… the joke is enemy won’t even know where i am because there is not even BP red circle on the floor to indicate where i used it

- wanna know how to stop thief from running away in stealth by abusing BP+HS? chaos field, basi venom + cluster bomb, he will sit there wide open, you are welcome

lastly i am honestly not sure if you really do tpvp, i couldn’t find you name on any leaderboards….

i myself been hanging around rank 250-300 in team pvp and d/p is ok as it is atm, imo
there are way worse things that plague pvp and wvw than thief ability to use stealth

Nabbo.2845:

Josh Davis.6015:

Pyriall.5027:

IB4 Grouchasaurus comes in to try and calm the masses with some vague reference to future updates that they’re unsure of and he used to hate hearing when he was a player….

This was eerie. Are you in the air ducts?

We all are.

with sniper rifles….tom clancy style xD

Leadfoot.9071:

Ohhh I see, you’re saying that the devs don’t play thieves because if they did you would have seen them? I guess you must play a LOT and have MANY accounts so you can play on multiple screens? Or maybe the devs have a rule that when they play the must find where Cynz is playing and be sure to play nearby. Very interesting…

read what i wrote again, i said i can confirm they play certain classes, i did say idk about the rest
stop twisting my words

get stunned/immob → use steal → get ported to enemy → can’t move, can’t use any spells but jump on same place untill you are dead or relog… welcome to thief life

Teutos.8620:

Cynz.9437:

Thank you, someone understands. I don’t want class being nerfed to the ground but i am personally sick and tired of going through armies of pets and pets and pets trying to reach player and do some dmg to them. There is so much going on screen as well, it is slowly becomes unbearable.

Thank you for your productive input! Unfortunately this has absolutely nothing to do with the planned changes at all. Please reread the planned changes and you’ll hopefully understand what’s going on here.

I watched the stream. There WILL be less pets compared to current state. You can flower and color it all you want, right now most mesmers i see are just spamming dodges non stop. Please re-read the planned changes, thank you.

there is indeed something fishy about match making

i did have games sometimes where one team would consist of rank 50-60 players and other team had rank 5-12.. i don’t mind low rank players as long as they perform well but theywere indeed pretty nooby and mostly just stood doing nothing; those are fights at top 1000-90%… i would really love to know how they even ended up in those matches… it is not fun neither for enemy team nor for the low ranked players themself imo