Guild Wars 2

Tremain.4623:

People actually roamed in full zerker? is this a new thing?

many did

building tank is hardly helpfull on thief since no traits support it

i wonder why there is no flat 10% condi dmg nerf… would be approriate

Arkantos.7460:

maybe , there will be some other good things appear on 21th, they said they cannot talk yet about All changes but we will have to wait
instead, eat buffood with 10% crit dmg for a slightly compensation

yeah like hard to catch change from dec 10 that didn’t fix anything because trait is still kitten and nobody uses it

i honestly regret all the money and time i spent on getting full ascended armor set/trinkets and i certanly don’t wanna play p/d but it is all that is left :/

Zero Day.2594:

frans.8092:

Auesis.7301:

On topic, he says “good things” will be coming next patch. I don’t really care about Choking Gas, it was an insane amount of Poison anyway.

Not that people stayed in it. Which was, and is, the most useful part. Or the funniest at least.
…

Um… Someone did!:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first#post3309034
Yup…
Check the thread linked within the nerf request :P for more funnies.

oh god they did take it serious haha

8% nerf is a joke

it is still passive, it still heals for quite a lot and better than any other war heals

make it have requirement, for example like signet of malice has one even though it is passive

basically all that is left for thieves is p/d build…. rest is welcome to reroll warrior i guess

thanks anet

i wonder if i can get all the gold and laurels back i spent on ascended stuff :/

Einlanzer.1627:

Overlord.1035:

Einlanzer.1627:

OMG, whine whine. Zerker needs an adjustment. This one could be good or could be bad, but I think it’s a decent idea.

This isn’t a nerf to Thieves anyway, it’s a nerf to everyone in an attempt to bring better balance to PvE at large.

Do u even play thief in wvw? This is a nerf to crit and a buff to condi’s. Thiefs are affected more than any other class by a nerf to crit sides maybe shatter mesmer because of how squishy we are we rely on our burst to live. Now they are nerfing this burst w/o an equivalent nerf to condi’s or toughness.

Didn’t they say in the livestream it was PvE only? Regardless, I’m not worried about it. Improving incentives to use other builds is a good thing.

yeah except over past patches our builds were reduced by quite a lot, this patch just will force people to play one build that is left… i don’t see how it is a good change

oh man….so we are forced into condi build…. great….

so what did they change? i missed it

Hello,

i play thief so i posses certain amount of “telepots”. What happens quite frequently is that if someone standing on/next to the rocks next to orb (Spirit watch), or on little walls (s. screenshot), barrels in temple and you attempt to use any kind of teleport /steal, shadowstep, inf. arrow etc). or get feared into them you get stuck in the texture and unable to get out of it untill you die to aoe (you can’t attack anyone though) or log out obviously.

Possible to fix it by chance ?

as said before ping is fine, latency is fine as well

i found way to fix it though, you have to log out to character selection screen during match and log back, seemed to fix it…

You can remove thief ones all you want, barely anyone uses them anyway or sees them as handicap if anything heh.

Junkpile.7439:

Cynz.9437:

Helcor.9527:

I think there’s a very simple explanation for thieves and the frustration. If you cant see it, you don’t know if your hitting it. This will go on forever. If you see one and either die or a groups is aoe’ing and wildly swinging to hit something just think of it as comic relief. Theres no point at getting upset at a ridiculous mechanic like stealth. This will not change. Its a staple to MMOs. GUILD WARS 2 IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER MMO WITH THIS MECHANIC.

For some reason nobody ever wonders how it feels for thieves getting 1 shot by about anything… not being able to build condi tank like other classes, being CCd to death, being aoe’d to death, being forced to run SA because of condi meta, getting BS pet blocked, being hardly usefull for zergs… etc etc.

Naaaaah, stealth is OP because it requires me to use brain and play mind games~

This whole complains from noobs will get class deleted and bring it to the same state that rogues in wow reached… just 2% of population were rogues, very unforgiving, nerfed to the ground class… why play it

Sounds to me that you don’t even play thief or you still play like in open beta.

why would you think so?

Ya it was Powerr, he kept yelling in team chat >_<

How dare you to beat thieves!!? What is this nonsense Did you miss the memo? Thieves are OP!!!

Jokes aside, i actually expected another QQ thread.

situation B here…. i still have the key o.o

Helcor.9527:

I think there’s a very simple explanation for thieves and the frustration. If you cant see it, you don’t know if your hitting it. This will go on forever. If you see one and either die or a groups is aoe’ing and wildly swinging to hit something just think of it as comic relief. Theres no point at getting upset at a ridiculous mechanic like stealth. This will not change. Its a staple to MMOs. GUILD WARS 2 IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER MMO WITH THIS MECHANIC.

For some reason nobody ever wonders how it feels for thieves getting 1 shot by about anything… not being able to build condi tank like other classes, being CCd to death, being aoe’d to death, being forced to run SA because of condi meta, getting BS pet blocked, being hardly usefull for zergs… etc etc.

Naaaaah, stealth is OP because it requires me to use brain and play mind games~

This whole complains from noobs will get class deleted and bring it to the same state that rogues in wow reached… just 2% of population were rogues, very unforgiving, nerfed to the ground class… why play it

Jitters, what rank are you in pvp? Just out of curiosity.

Brb, rolling class XY, buying tomes to powerlv to 80, spend 20g on armor…hey guys i have class XY, i think it is OP. Nerf plz.

As far as OP goes, i think warriors, necros and engis are riding the OP wave atm, thieves are mediocre at best and are only good at killing noobs.

seems like spamming 1 doesn’t work for zerging all of sudden eh?

honestly, majority of people in wvw do have l2p issue, speaking from own exprience…. i met so called perma stealth thieves so many times, i liked those bags heh

this game doesn’t require you to lv up to play at max lv, just roll a thief, do ranked… i dare you to beat good players with “perma stealth” build in pvp

I actually ended up playing with dev in soloq… he was playing an ele and was doing fine O.o

another person who wanna hit 1 2 3 4 5 and win

PvP = player vs pet…. i quit wow because of that crap… :/

anet, can we just all get pet army and be done with it? or rather just sit afk and have game play for us… i mean that is obviously what you guys promote considering the latest addition to petting zoo

the problem with MM is not that if it is hard or not to kill but rather how little effort it takes to play it and how much effort enemy has to put to actually get point from MM necro

There is always that one guy who will complaing endlessly untill everyone plays what he thinks is right way to play… Newsflash: people skip mobs because those fights are meanings and often quite annoying.

Look at fractal dredge map, you ARE forced to fight mobs therem it is longest fractal map and the most hated. That map makes playing to job and not enjoyment. After doing it countless times i honestly can’t see dredge anymore.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

MastaNeenja.1537:

Create a LFG and state you do not wish to skip. Play how want with people that play the same way. Skipping is optional which is good because everyone gets to play their way.

This is the most rational, easiest, cheapest, and reasonable solution.

Bur but but how dare people to play different from how i play!!!???

Cush.4063:

All I have to say is, condition damage in spvp and wvw is so over the top it sucks to play sometimes. And if they buff it by doing this, they will have only ripened the meta with maybe people picking different gear to do more conditions. No thank you and please god no. I’ll take skill with melee over passive conditions any day.

^^this

i really hope i won’t be forced to play condi build…i might just quit

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Cynz.9437:

this post was made by one of the best thieves out there
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Backstab-1/page/2#post3235603

Isn’t that guy an elementalist? …

Caed? no

Aza.2105:

Cynz.9437:

Swagger.1459:

Brando.1374:

that is straight up glass.
using all utilities for his burst, no condi removal, no healing in stealth, no Blinds, no stun breakers, no stability
he will most likely die if someone tickled him for 2 seconds.

Burst compared to hp is straight up asinine.

No one who actually cares for a healthy and balanced pvp experience cares about what you have to sacrifice to obtain such high burst numbers. They care about getting rid of ridiculous game mechanics like these for long term retention and increased player participation.

If I were a game developer, I’d be embarrassed to let poor mechanics like these remain as long as they have.

and what would you give thieves instead? they should like any class have a chance in fight, don’t you think?

They don’t have burst damage like that in spvp and they are fine.

characters in pvp are also not that tanky as in pve/wvw

AI builds
condi tank/aoe spam builds

here, i said it

Swagger.1459:

Brando.1374:

that is straight up glass.
using all utilities for his burst, no condi removal, no healing in stealth, no Blinds, no stun breakers, no stability
he will most likely die if someone tickled him for 2 seconds.

Burst compared to hp is straight up asinine.

No one who actually cares for a healthy and balanced pvp experience cares about what you have to sacrifice to obtain such high burst numbers. They care about getting rid of ridiculous game mechanics like these for long term retention and increased player participation.

If I were a game developer, I’d be embarrassed to let poor mechanics like these remain as long as they have.

and what would you give thieves instead? they should like any class have a chance in fight, don’t you think?

this post was made by one of the best thieves out there
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Backstab-1/page/2#post3235603

Mike.5193:

You do realize that you can build more than arrow carts and ballistas for defensive siege right? Catapults and trebuchets make fantastic defensive siege if used properly (especially when you wipe all of their supply with the treb or bounce them off the ram with the cata). If done right, you can hold a group 3-4 times your size with well placed siege. Hell, I was in a group of 10 in Hills that held off an attacking force of 40 with a handful of siege on inner.

that assuming they actually bother attacking the gate, catas won’t work on omegas

Quells.2498:

Lol. = < 3rd tier problem.

i have played on SoR, they had same issue…. your point?

Chris.3290:

Usually the first to come into range + threat calculation. If you have a high range of stats (PVT really sets if off) you would probably get picked up on as the biggest threat.
Just as PvE foes focus on characters who rez or who are putting on the most DPS.

why do bosses chase my thief then =.=

Only time anet played a thief (at least from what i recall) was new fractal preview and all they did was spamming unload and being dead 90% of the time so go figure… don’t believe me? Check their stream.

As far as complains go, majority do pve, pve spoils players, they expect you to stand still and fight toe to toe which thieves can’t do due to survival mechanics… stealth requires you to use brain and predict what thief will do next… most people just wanna press 1 2 3 4 5 and win.

Josh Davis.6015:

Very apt timing for this thread to appear as I’ve recently been enlisted by the WvW team.

What does this mean for you guys? I’ll be working closely with Devon and crew to act as the liaison between our development team and you – raising community concerns with the team, finding answers, being the good/bad guy, and whatever else!

For those wondering, I play engineer, I prefer to roam, I’m currently on JQ, and yes, I take bribes in the form of cookies.

i bet you play asura too -_-

conditions supposed to be warrior’s weakness…not anymore heh

Runes and sigil rework
Critical damage changes
New stat combinations for PvP (amulets)
High-level overview of planned balance changes

indirect condi meta buff??

very very very glassy with no survival…see what happens if he can’t land his stuff @ 5:39

watch the end of the video for epic 18k!!!!!!!!

killshot…

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Except Quaggans. BURN THEM ALL.

no, asuras shall all be burned in the fires of thaumnova reactor

every time i see asura in pvp i suddenly want to support Scarlet

Not sure about engis, don’t play them but i do play a necro and scepter spam dhumfire is indeed too easy. Considering how much dmg it does need a change.

Moving it to fear doesn’t seem so bad.

frans.8092:

Wasn’t there some mention of unlikely high damage under haste recently on the forum? Maybe a quiet fix?

didn’t fix it on warriors at least, got 100b + haste today to insta gib

CMstorm.8679:

whats wrong with Capricorn? plz don’t tell me it’s because it has water…

try to kill ranger underwater… i promise you, you won’t be able to lol

or rather, they will be sitting in downed state for entire match in ruins and lol @ you

Tongku.5326:

Cynz.9437:

Dear YB, i have a following questions:

- why are you so rude to people from own server who are trying to get upgrades up in keeps?
- why do you refuse to help those people?

Past 2 weeks i spent trying to get upgrades up and sieg up our keep/towers in EB.

When i asked for help to defend camp since we need supplies ppl were simply rude to me for simple reason: i ordered upgrade on camp instead of building omega because frankly we had 5 ppl, upgrading our corner was more important imo, than going on suicidal mission with 1 omega.

Other time, i said in map chat YB needs more big guilds and not many many roaming guilds or small guilds need to group up or we won’t be able to defend out stuff. Guess what? I got rained with rude messages, i got called all possible things, once again i had to solo upgrade towers to t3 with all sieg because people refused to help and defend.

People might disagree with me, i might disagree with someone but i am not gonna refuse help to defend own keeps/towers just because i have personal issues with person.

I have been in quite few servers, this is first time i experienced such rudeness from own server when i spent my own gold/karma and sieg to help our defense.

Having faced YB for a few weeks, a lot of us have experienced the unwilingness and/or overall inability of that server to fight. All the server as a whole seems to do is run away and hop onto arrow carts. I hvae seen maybe 2 guilds total that actually fight and they only come on or together for a short time during NA prime, rest is as described.

So has it occured to you that perhaps people on your server are trying to change that to become a better server and you doing what you are doing are enforcing what they are trying to change ?

Maybe your team mates want to get away from a “run-away and arrowcart” image that your server has created for itself ?

it is hard to come out when we don’t even have 10 ppl on map vs sbi full map zerg

when i learned how to one shot 80 people, i will play more aggressive

I am not saying YB sucks, it is actually decent server. I do wish certain people on this server would be less rude and more supportive in wvw.

As far as privat forums go, i never sign up on such forums.

Cactus.2710:

Cynz.9437:

oh btw necro aoe from lich form can hit sieg through the wall as well….

honestly, why does anet ignore this issue? this been brought up many many times

So tell me … what problem HASN’T ANet ignored when it comes to WvW?

Maybe they’re just trying to be consistent ….

they buffed warriors and nerfed perma stealth thieves…lol

oh btw necro aoe from lich form can hit sieg through the wall as well….

honestly, why does anet ignore this issue? this been brought up many many times

or should we just all xfer to BG and call it a day? oh wait, BG is full

Dear YB, i have a following questions:

- why are you so rude to people from own server who are trying to get upgrades up in keeps?
- why do you refuse to help those people?

Past 2 weeks i spent trying to get upgrades up and sieg up our keep/towers in EB.

When i asked for help to defend camp since we need supplies ppl were simply rude to me for simple reason: i ordered upgrade on camp instead of building omega because frankly we had 5 ppl, upgrading our corner was more important imo, than going on suicidal mission with 1 omega.

Other time, i said in map chat YB needs more big guilds and not many many roaming guilds or small guilds need to group up or we won’t be able to defend out stuff. Guess what? I got rained with rude messages, i got called all possible things, once again i had to solo upgrade towers to t3 with all sieg because people refused to help and defend.

People might disagree with me, i might disagree with someone but i am not gonna refuse help to defend own keeps/towers just because i have personal issues with person.

I have been in quite few servers, this is first time i experienced such rudeness from own server when i spent my own gold/karma and sieg to help our defense.

lol BG is full server now… bandwagon reached it’s limit it seems xD

Forzani.2584:

Cynz.9437:

thieves are so OP yet no wvw guild wants thieves and everyone and their mother plays warrior…mkayyyyyy

Non argument that has nothing to do with the topic. There are other classes that are in the same position in regards to WvW groups. Might as well say ….thieves are so OP yet it is raining today.

The facts are that some forward thinking people are using Thieves in their GvG groups and especially havoc groups. What a nightmare to fight a tight group with a Thief included.

no, it is actually relevant argument, if thieves were THAT broken as people claim then everyone would run thieves… that is what we see in pvp: it is flooded with warriors and necros due how strong they are

yes, there are some havoc groups that would take thieves but they would take about any class really

where actual wvw guilds, zerg guild, zerg busting guilds would rather have you run warrior, guard, necro, mesmer and ele

i see guild groups running hammer trains, i yet have to see thief train

thieves are so OP yet no wvw guild wants thieves and everyone and their mother plays warrior…mkayyyyyy

i will tell you how in generall fight as thief goes in wvw:
you engage enemy, put blackpowder down
they sit in it and spam 1 2 3 4 5 obviously missing
you go in stealth to get backstab off
ppl sit like frozen and wait nicely for you to get backstab off
rinse and repeat, they die, go on forums and complain about stealth

rarely, very rarerly would actually walk out of BP, rarely would anyone ever spam aoe on refuge/BP… almost nobody tries to dodge backstab

@LordByron: please tell me when did Anet say that you can’t kill thieves in wvw.

i went from like 500 to 88%… get at me lol

i guess it is good practice to learn how to 3v1~