Guild Wars 2

i still yet have to get hit by 10k backstab and i am glassy myself lol

i actually find condi thieves more annoying; bs thieves are predictable and you can punish them easily

the thing is, you guys can cry for BS nerf or stealth nerf all you want but if those would get nerfed thieves would have to get buffed somewhere else and something tells me you won’t like that because any half decent thief will learn to use it effectively and will still kill you

i saw plenty of eles doing opposite: nuking the hell out of thieves while not getting hit by BS; there was one d/d ele (on SoS i believe), he never lost a single duel to any class… so i think problem is on your side

everyone and their mother runs sword in pvp atm, doubt any buffs will happen lol

My post is not about kitten talk itself ( i couldn’t care less tbh), it is about the fact that people waste too much time talking crap than actually fighting.

i went from 300 to 85% once thanks to non stop skyhammer/spirit watch bullkitten…get at me heh

I do like pvp but i hate getting skyhammered+ spirit watch multiple times in a row in soloq.

tow line – an amazing skill that pulls you to your enemy and stuns you (yes you, not your enemy) for 4 initiative….lol underwater combat balance

Hello everyone.

I am looking for some pvp buddies just to hit some HJs during off hours (midday, morning US time), have some chat and some fun. I do have a pvp team but we aren’t always on at the same time and getting 10 skyhammers in a row in soloq can be really discouraging lol.

Also if someone knows good roaming guild, lmk. I can transfer to any server but BG.

Little about myself: i main thief, i love pvp but i do wvw and some pve as well, i live in EU but play on NA hence the odd play times. I have silly accent >_<

You can’t compare mesmer to thief. Mesmers have pets to deal dmg even if they are hiding, they have invul and other toys. Thieves don’t do any dmg if they are hiding or sitting in stealth+ you are losing cap too.

Don’t get me wrong, i hate evade thieves and laugh my kitten off when i manage to dodge inf. strike and watch them waste 3333333. However as long as the class doesn’t have any other means of survival besides stealth and evades, i don’t think those should be nerfed.

Click 10 sieges. Yes would love it.

Straegen.2938:

Cynz.9437:

d/p main dmg comes from bs… please tell me how d/p suppose to do dmg after your “change” … or stay alive for that matter

The current problem as I see it is D/P opens with a chain attack and then one of a few things happen. First the chain will kill its target. Second the chain will gravely wound it. Third the chain will have limited effect due to a variety of conditions. This is where D/P has a MASSIVE advantage over D/D. No matter the outcome, they can immediately stealth and retry. They can do this infinitely until target is dead. My change means there is a cooldown of sorts before they can pop that second combo allowing players a chance to pressure the thief. Anyone who has tried both D/D and D/P knows which is harder to pull off. D/P has all the D/D advantages with virtually none of its disadvantages. It also has two built in blinds, a blink, a daze, a spamable leap and BS. D/D has two of those.

The current problem you describe comes from ppl standing still and spamming key 1. There are 100 ways of preventing d/p even going in stealth and there are many ways to stop/avoid backstab. That is not stealth issue, the issue is between monitor and chair.

Now i truly don’t believe you know how d/p or thieves for that matter work. You say that d/p can immidiately go stealth but that is a lie, revealed wouldn’t allow it unless thief didn’t attack at all. If thief didn’t attack, he didn’t do any dmg so where is that grave dmg you talking about?

D/P can’t always and freely go in stealth as you claim, if they are actually fighting they are using their initiative. If that thief actually managed to go stealth and leave you at low HP it means he did good job at managing initiative and you simply got outplayed.

As far as pvp goes, i highly recommend you to roll d/p and try to play vs top 100-200 players. You will be happy if you get 1 “chain” off. You know why? Because pvp doesn’t spoil players with key 1 spam like wvw does. The average wvw player (not all of course) is complete noob compared to a person who spent equal amount of time in pvp.

You say you don’t pvp nor apprently care. How can you be so arrogant to propose changes that would heavily affect all areas of the game: pvp, wvw and pve?

Nick.6972:

What if it took a slight time to become completely invisible, like one second?

Sure as long as any other defensive and offensive spell of every class in game has 1 sec delay as well.

Edit: got prizes (without handling over security number!!!), thank you a lot (bow)

Yessssssss….(dances on sturdy table)… the time investment paid off. Thank you much for contest

…but social security number!?? Should i be worried =.=?

Lupanic.6502:

Watching the ESL Cup. Very good teams are not playing with engi at the moment. So I do not agree with OP. Lets wait for the nerfs. Normally the Engineer is nerfed every patch. So wait and see the next meta

ESL doesn’t prove anything. People play with each other on classes they are good at and not necessary what is meta.

If i had a friend that was amazing on class X i would have him play class X even though Y is better.

As for topic: surprised to see someone to call for nerfs for own class. I personally don’t enjoy engi class so i don’t really play it so i can’t say for sure if those changes are good or not but at least IP does need to be changed.

stole axe → used it when war and ranger spammed their bow on me → both died to own dmg, called thieves OP

wait till you meet good engi lol

but yeah welcome to the club

he has a pig as his pet o.o

engis are one of the strongest classes atm, there are few roles you can run too

for example decapper or condi dmg

there are many builds, all depends on your playstyle

what did you play in wow?

Xae.7204:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

Tow line is the only skill that self-CCs the user for no apparent reason and does nothing good to the enemy to compensate.

Half of the Engineer skills would like a word with you.

never saw engi stunning himself…

Carighan.6758:

Cynz.9437:

Please? Can we get any answer on it since apprently that issue been there since launch and even wiki doesn’t have any info on that spell stunning the caster himself.

How do you mean, it *stun*s yourself?
You mean it interrupts the cast? Or post-cast?

use skill → get pulled to target → get stunned → can’t do anything while target is able to move out or attack

Swagg.9236:

Are we seriously discussing underwater skills?

as long as wvw and pvp maps include underwater combat, yes

sminkiottone.6972:

Cynz.9437:

d/p main dmg comes from bs… please tell me how d/p suppose to do dmg after your “change” … or stay alive for that matter

ooohh ya rrright, run d/d ….what about pvp? did you ever wonder why ppl bring thieves in pvp? sb is kind of mandatory

your suggestion will kill d/p for any kind of competitive pvp, it is already not as widely played as mindless 33333333 sword MH…so ya let’s kill another weapon set and force everyone into sword MH just for your own convinience since you are too lazy to try to counter so called “perma” stealth…..bad idea

This is WvW discussion not pvp, calm down.

yeah except those changes would have huge impact on pvp….and not just wvw

Zero Day.2594:

sminkiottone.6972:

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This is WvW discussion not pvp, calm down.

Funny you mentioned that…
The skill level, or the ability to PvP (as player versus player combat in general) of players in sPvP and WvW are on two different worlds… Yet both are PvP…
Sometimes I wonder if people playing WvW ever tried to sPvP…

they do… and then ragequit because spamming 1 doesn’t actually work in tournaments

Enenion.8127:

I feel like they added the self-cc effect to tow line so that it couldn’t be spammed, but in doing so they made the skill useless because by the time your self-cc has worn off the enemy has already swum out of range again. They need to at least make it CC both parties to make it even vaguely useful.

at least that

Straegen.2938:

Cynz.9437:

the problem is, the suggestions ppl make would completely ruin the class/entire weapon sets in pvp and pve as well

How does my suggestion ruin the entire class or weaponset? D/P currently has a lot of utility AND the ability to stay stealthed almost an entire fight. My change essentially swaps one skill around on one weapon set. It doesn’t even remove the ability to use the combo just not spam it.

d/p main dmg comes from bs… please tell me how d/p suppose to do dmg after your “change” … or stay alive for that matter

ooohh ya rrright, run d/d ….what about pvp? did you ever wonder why ppl bring thieves in pvp? sb is kind of mandatory

your suggestion will kill d/p for any kind of competitive pvp, it is already not as widely played as mindless 33333333 sword MH…so ya let’s kill another weapon set and force everyone into sword MH just for your own convinience since you are too lazy to try to counter so called “perma” stealth…..bad idea

… why are maps, that people hate with passion and that make players want to quit, forced on us in soloq (leaving would give dishonored debuff)? I thought dev job was to make game fun and so people keep playing them. Every single time i get those maps i just want to uninstall. You call it good design?

I fail to see any good design in that incredibly imbalanced maps that heavily favor one specific class and being forced to play on those in soloq.

Players are even willing to pay you extra money just so they have option to remove it from soloq. Why do you refuse to add that option?

i think like rank 10+ or something requirement is needed
it is not fun for people to get rank 1 teammates and it is also not fun for rank 1 players to get facerolled by way more experienced players…

.. stop talking crap to each other and focus more on game, ty. Past few days i had matches where players spent more time talking kitten to each other than actually playing.

Your teammates won’t suddenly play better because you talk kitten to them. Your enemies won’t suddenly handle you free kills if you talk crap to them. Get over it, pay attention and play game.

Romek.4201:

no – you talk bout wvw when i see your posting history and when i look in forum: wvw discussion than it looks like this guys have some problems in wvw with conditions. Mainly thiefs post bout pu mesmers or something like this.

so just for you – you are in the wrong forum^^

my posting history is soooo irrelevant….

i do pvp, wvw and pve…bite me :P

back to topic: ya i can agree with style, aoe needs to be toned down but so AI since aoe is about only way to deal with zoo atm

Dee Jay.2460:

We will have to wait to see the full extent of the upcoming changes before we break out into a QQ fest. Apparently Thieves can expect a range of QoL improvements (fix for Last Refuge).

Until then we better zip it.

yeaaaah that hard to catch was an amazing change yo….

well for w/e reason anet devs seem to be only ones that don’t understand that tanky person doing dmg will always beat squishy person doing same amount of dmg

Rym.1469:

Cheer up!
We’ll really have to talk if I start seeing guardians running condition

take a guess what i died to in fights in this match? yep, something like 10k burning dmg

infantrydiv.1620:

There is no condi meta. What you encounter in low end solo queue does not = meta.

you honestly believe i talk about soloq?

gunk drops stealth if someone walks over it lol

oh man return signet of spite back to necro….yumm

you can just do hot join you know…

only 1 day? so you are aware your internet is bad, you are aware you probably will leave your team with 4v5….you are seflish enough to keep continue to queue and you are complaining about 1 day dishonorable????

i would bann you from any kind of pvp for a week

i play from EU on NA server, if i get that weird lag that probably only EU ppl know of, i don’t queue, end of story

the puppet is above you, guards are in front of you…can’t look up and watch the guard at the same time…

i understand where you are comming from OP but all honestly there is so many animations going on, it is impossible to see even own character (if you play melee) in that colorful clusterkitten on the screen

i personally hate red circles, sometimes aoe is bigger than circle, they don’t show up under water (hello bloomhunger), they show up too late, they are hard to see sometimes…+ the new circles or rather ground animations have different shapes – instead of just circles you have a line, you have an arrow etc. i liked it a lot… whoever came up with idea, ty

LordByron.8369:

Josh Davis.6015:

The proposed changes to critical damage gear aren’t specifically PvE-focused, but focused rather on the stat weighting of critical damage itself. We’re not aiming to make crit damage unviable, just to bring it closer to other gear sets.

As for the first feature build, there will be other factors coming into play that could very well offset the changes, including reworked runes/sigils, the ability to use sigils in new combinations (including 2 on a two-handed weapon), and the profession balance changes. Just something to keep in mind.

Its a bad and really unpopular solution…with lot of repercussion that werent thougt.

Where is the CDI?
Will you go on anyway disregarding players opinions?
If the change is so good why won t affect pvp?

they went on disregarding player opinion many times… look at skyhammer thread

i actually don’t mind DS itself, necros don’t have stability nor moblity so they do need some kind of source of survival…. however amount of condis flying around atm and how much dmg it does…. is absurd

I am guessing Deimos is Burnfall/Sanduskell of warrior forums?

you know how cinemas for example have normal tickets and then cheaper version of tickets for students, handicapped ppl etc? getting profit even from areas where you wouldn’t make money with standard price… warriors are like those special cathegory tickets, they are made so even casuals, ppl who play with 500 ms, not so skilled players, ppl who don’t pay attention etc. can accomplish something in this game

what is the point of saying it? if you assume that what i stated before is true, then i doubt they will ever bring warriors to the level of other classes

Astral Projections.7320:

Because it doesn’t start off with a ban from the game. It starts with a 72 hour suspension for the first offense with each succeeding suspension longer and longer until eventually a ban is reached.

I’ve seen numerous posts in the Account Forum from people protesting their suspension for abusive language or profanity. I’ve seen one so far from someone posting for a person who received a ban.

Since people play at different times of the day and may skip days, you could easily miss that someone got a 72 hour suspension. And if they were abusive, were reported and told you that nothing happened to them, remember that people will lie to save face.

well i see certain person (who was extremely rude to me) every day in wvw, i highly doubt he was ever banned

How come that forums mods bann someone really really fast even for minisculine things yet if you get verbally abused in game (i can’t post this words here) and report players they don’t get banned?

… we gonna see anything to tone it down any time soon? Or do we have to wati till Grouch gets bored of his engi?

Lachanche.6859:

wut ? it’s been a while since the last time i played wow but i recall no 1hko macro for warriors.

you didn’t play during mop expansion then

ppl ran avg. HP of 350K, wars could hit person with 1 attack for 420k

even blood dk at that time had around 390k

HS doesn’t have ANY requirement at all and that is the issue. Compare it to SoM where you have to attack someone for it to work. HS needs some kind of requirement for heal imo.

Passive play (including pets) is what ruining it for everyone. Idk why devs push for passive play and imbalanced maps like Skyhammer so much.

Sunt.6835:

Cynz.9437:

while we at it can we also remove invul, blocks, aegis etc.? just to make it fair..tnks

LOL everytime i see thief thread this guy has to show up to protect it.

Thief in spvp dont need perm steath to survive. i dont see why in wvw they cant do.
ofc unless they are not as skill as …

i don’t defend perma stealth, i am all up to nerf that (i pvp mostly actually)

the problem is, the suggestions ppl make would completely ruin the class/entire weapon sets in pvp and pve as well

as a side note, last perma stealth thief i ran into ended up in stealth trap…you can paint the rest :P

you know how i feel? i have full ascended armor set and bunch of ascended weps + trinkets…all will be scrapped after crit change… GG anet

while we at it can we also remove invul, blocks, aegis etc.? just to make it fair..tnks

they are nerfing clone generation on dodge… i wouldn’t lv mes tbh

as far as thieves go, i guess we either will have to remake our gear or join the condi train…

Anet, i would buy Ring of Perception and Ring of Acrophobia right now.

ahuba.6430:

lol “kitten the meta”

Lyssa runes: check
Healsig: check
Longbow: check
Cleansing ire: check

how did you just read my mind?

Beldin.5498:

So what is awsome if you are maybe just 10 foot before a Vista in Lornas Pass and then suddenly dead ?
This is just the most stupid thing that ever has been done in a MMO ..

actually similar thing happend in wow at some point

there was a huge dragon randomly flying over zones and one shotting anything in random areas…you couldn’t kill him either btw

oh and you had to walk back to your corpse lol