it seems mesmers in general think theives are OP because were pretty much a direct counter to their power builds. we kill them super quick because theyre glassy, we can keep up with their shadowsteps with our own, and can counter stealth them if they manage to get one off. its been like that since the beginning, weve always blown up squishy mesmers
tbh they can blow up as fast, really depends who is better
besides for some reason they forget that thieves have hardcounters themself
rangers just suffer from design flaw, has nothing to do with thieves themself
mesmers are still played
just because those teams won with thief doesn’t mean you have to have thief to win game
did you ever think that those people playing thief maybe just prefer playing the class and happend to be good at it?
should i remind you on 3 bunkers, 2 necros comps?
and i would love someone to answer my question: if thieves are so OP why does nobody stack medi guards? those eat thieves for breakfast
@inhearth: totally agree with you
yes thief is kitten…
broken evade spammability…stealth ( but it is even not the worst issue)
broken insta (read uncounterable without chance) gap closers
broken mobility…
broken damage in regards of their survivability
Mesmers are just as other squishies chained rapped by these ennemy they can even not run away.
What an epic failure anet seriously.
The funny thing is that thieves have never stopped complaining…
Being nerfed and nerfed again is not a reason to say thieves are underpowered…it can be a sign they were absurdly owerpowered.
and yet there is not a single person out there that wants more than 1 thief on team… but it is fine to have multple wars, guards, engis, eles, necros, rangers even mesmers on same team~
I don’t see the problem with him asking what Noscoc is running. He could’ve been running something that isn’t the meta so…. you guys are just being jerks.
Has it really taken 2 years to finally start to catch on onto these classes and their completely near unavoidable damage that cant be blocked/blinded/revealed(by most)/seen/prevented from being spammed in a few secs?
My friends literally quit this game because both thieves and mesmers a few months after release; we all come from PvP backgrounds in WoW (2,3k -2.4k rating arenas), Rohan (outright imbalanced), 2moons, among other asian and american mmos…. so we are not, by far, inexperienced. I managed to make them play again a few months ago and once again it didnt take more than 3 months to make them quit for the very same reasons they first quit. They are now back into WoW, where they reached high rating in arena last season….once again….
High damage shouldnt be coupled with high mobility and escaping potential on top of being spammable, unpredictable and near unavoidable.
Perhaps it is time that Anet revises the balance seriously. My biggest proof that they dont really care about the PvP community is the grindboard; NOBODY can disagree with me in this one when I say that it was designed for casuals to feel good, for PvE grinders to grind their way to the top, like they are used to in any other content they do. Once season was over they went back to PvE to farm there, period. Meanwhile we PvP players are left with a slap at best.
wat? mes/thief dmg can’t be blocked, blinded, avoided etc. ? are we playing same game?
[GoM] Gate of Madness Server Elementalist|Guardian|Mesmer
you can’t be serious…..
as far as your friends go, wow pvp is so imbalanced you could drool on keyboard and get gladiator if you played the “right” class… cough wars one shots, bugged hunter stampede, dks with frostmourne etc…. not to mention exploiting, ddos, hacks, glad sells etc.
no it is not, yesterday some terrible mesmer in HJ cried rivers about how thieves are OP and he hopes they will get nerfed—————— because you know, thieves didn’t get nerfed yet~
I laughed so hard at ‘1 hour spent’ part hahaha.
Anyways I also wish it was added to the vendor.
Let’s face it, when I get all 3 of those (2 actually cause you get one for the first kill), I will probably never do it again. People will start to leave. And in a couple of months no one will be doing it. We saw how little people was in the Silverwastes at Wintersday. And the new players/returning players won’t be able to get the chests in a couple of months.
my point is i got absolutely nothing, not even a copper
still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.
define most lol, thief is more viable than ranger really and maybe necro… rest is way better… pvp wise at least
1st match, los: full premade vs pugs, no chance, pugs were nowhere remotely as good as anyone on premade
2nd match, los: 2man team vs 2 man team, rest pugs, pretty lopsided, couldn’t make up for missing 1 person that was running to treb whole match, dying there, getting repair kit, rinse and repeat
3rd match, win: 2man premade vs pugs, pretty lopsided again, i think score was like 500ish to 30+ or so O_O
queue times are around 4 min too…. what’s going on :<
That’s weird. I managed to get it on my first try (thank god so I never have to do that event again). Did you actually get to the boss? Seems it’s not too difficult in that event to never make it to the boss at all.
i did get to boss and killed champion or w/e it is
When will they stop being about farming ranked and actually about skill/wins? I thought it was supposed to change this patch. Why even bother doing ranked atm unless you have no job/school/life and can commit whole day to do ranked?
I found it rather comical that botters and farmers were rewarded after all (dem under 50% winrates lol)~
Are you aware that “on swap” sigils have a 9 second cooldown?
Are you aware that standard weapon swap cooldowns are 10 seconds.?
Are you aware of the implication that all classes can utilise “on swap” effectively?
not true really
simple example
let’s assume thief is using on swap weapons; let’s assume thief just swapped weapon and got proc… realistically thief will stay in main weapon set for quite long time (in any case way longer than 10 sec) because of the way weapon sets are balanced and swapping weapons again just for proc will probably get them killed or put at least in quite undesirable position… point is, in 1 min fight he probably will get 1-2 procs off
engis/eles/wars swap weapon very often by design, meaning they mostlikely won’t stay in same weapon set for extended period of time thus will get more procs (probably all 6 in 1 min fight) in given time than thief that has to stay in main weapon set… again all because of crappy balance between class mechanics/weapon sets
so taken current state of game into account, “all classes can utilise on swap effectively” is plain lie
thief, by design, can function properly even without constantly swapping weapons.
ele, engi, war need to swap often in order to function properly.
Well I had +3win-21lose in https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/ too, but didn’t made screenshot. That makes 25games per hour. So my games last 2minutes, lessmore than que window pops.
It rolled your previous 31 desertions into it, but this is a recent change, so that’s why it had the sudden jump.
Well I had +3win-21lose in https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/ too, but didn’t made screenshot. That makes 25games per hour. So my games last 2minutes, lessmore than que window pops.
pretty sure he ment that your desertions from previous times (other days) were also counted in
Are you aware that “on swap” sigils have a 9 second cooldown?
Are you aware that standard weapon swap cooldowns are 10 seconds.?
Are you aware of the implication that all classes can utilise “on swap” effectively?
not true really
simple example
let’s assume thief is using on swap weapons; let’s assume thief just swapped weapon and got proc… realistically thief will stay in main weapon set for quite long time (in any case way longer than 10 sec) because of the way weapon sets are balanced and swapping weapons again just for proc will probably get them killed or put at least in quite undesirable position… point is, in 1 min fight he probably will get 1-2 procs off
engis/eles/wars swap weapon very often by design, meaning they mostlikely won’t stay in same weapon set for extended period of time thus will get more procs (probably all 6 in 1 min fight) in given time than thief that has to stay in main weapon set… again all because of crappy balance between class mechanics/weapon sets
so taken current state of game into account, “all classes can utilise on swap effectively” is plain lie
I feel like the higher your mmr gets the more balanced it gets somehow (if you queue solo that is), althrough i can’t deny every 3rd match or so is pretty one sided (regardless win or los)… those are especially boring. I don’t see that many premades when i queue solo and most of them are quite bad tbh so w/e. Different thing is if i queue with 1-3 other players. Facing premades is pretty much garanteed.
Fun fact i keep qing into top 5 all evening while sitting at 300ish myself, but then again you always get max 3 pts for win no matter how amazing enemy team was – which is what wrong with whole system because it doesn’t reward you for winning vs team you should have lost against and doesn’t punish team that should have won (at least based on mmr/rank etc.) but lost.
Also what strikes me odd is that today i been getting class stacked team like 4 thieves, 3 thieves etc. on one team O-o
Yes, more exclusive pvp rewards (titles, finishers, weapons, and armor). Just no more llamas…
+1
when leaderboards will stop being about botting ranked
I don’t know anyone whose botted on the NA LB.
If you’re suggesting that I botted then feel free to whisper: Saekim, Jazz Tomassetti, Slaughter Melon, X Ekelon X, Hero Of Death, Thee Faux, or Amyzzzz
These were players I voice commed with often either duo, trio, quad or 5q’d with about 50+ times each to get my wins.
when did i say you botted? or do you feel guilty?
Why would I feel guilty?
And secondly, I never said that you accused me of botting.
Although, I must admit, I’d be pretty kitten proud of a bot with a 70%+ win rate on a non-meta thief.
When i was still playing on NA i did see people bot because i play from EU so usually i played during so called “dead hours”…. i see same on EU during those hours~
You know it is a bot when character always runs same route, does exactly same spell rotation and doesn’t even bother defending themself if you attack them during that travel along their “route”.
Just because you didn’t bot doesn’t mean other didn’t.
Even if we assume that players didn’t bot it is undeniable that only thing that gets rewarded right now is farming and not actually being good at pvp/having good tactics etc. Should pvp really be about farming?
well for the past 2 years or so anet did nothing but nerf thief every single patch while handling cookies out to classes like engi…. no surprise here really
thieves are viable but as you said you have to outplay your opponent while on engi or dd ele it is often enough to drool on keyboard to win fight
Yes, more exclusive pvp rewards (titles, finishers, weapons, and armor). Just no more llamas…
+1
when leaderboards will stop being about botting ranked
I don’t know anyone whose botted on the NA LB.
If you’re suggesting that I botted then feel free to whisper: Saekim, Jazz Tomassetti, Slaughter Melon, X Ekelon X, Hero Of Death, Thee Faux, or Amyzzzz
These were players I voice commed with often either duo, trio, quad or 5q’d with about 50+ times each to get my wins.
Have you ever play the thief game? Thieves are not some kind of ninjas and assassins but even those were using ranged weapons including bow, throwing knives etc.
most loses come from:
- people not defending points
- people not defending points
- people not defending points
- everyrone rushing far and feeding enemy at spawn
- everyone rushing animal
- nobody capping home ever
- nobody ever focusing dps on enemy team
- nobody ever defending points
- lord….
- pro team wipes the floor with your pug team
good thieves are very few, even in the higher brackets. but when mastered they are a force. for example, a mastered s/d thief is the best 1v1 and nearly-immortal spec. but it’s very hard to play.
a mastered s/d theif is the best 1v1? lmao. no. What kind of players have you played. Thief is perhaps the worst 1v1 class overall.
also, anyone who thinks thief counters ranger… it does not. it is not a hard counter to ranger. Its a soft counter at best in team situations…. 1v1 duel power ranger team build should beat thief team build, although d/p thief is better vs ranger, its still one sided. If i can get on a power ranger for the first and dominate thieves who have been playing for a while and considered good thieves… then thief does not counter ranger.
actually d/p has relatively easy time vs power ranger (given no spells bug out)
condi ranger is different thing however~
btw i main dp thief
in team match… yes d/p has a much easier time considering that ranger probably blew a couple of his powerful bow skill already… but 1v1 match…. power ranger> thief… especially s/d but also d/p, but d/p does stand a better chance. The only reason you think this is because you probably have never dueled a decent power ranger.
ummm. i 1v1 plenty of rangers… only reason i ever die to them is either because of teleport bug or i had no cds from previous fights….
rapid fire can be stopped by daze, stab stripped, invul waited out in stealth, roots dodged, knockback blinded~
I want to duel you on my ranger that ive played like 5 times as power
If you beat me, then I want you to duel my friend who has played power ranger more.
He beats me 9/10 when i’m on my s/d theif.
d/p has easier time yes… blinds make it so, I agree. When I run d/p thief I beat my friend 50%. But to say thief counters ranger is not true at all.
1. i am on eu
2. and dueling would prove what exatly? That i may be better or worse player than you and your friend. I am by all means not best d/p thief out there, besides it wouldn’t change the fact that pvp in this game is team based and in team fights thieves will just feed on rangers.
