Guild Wars 2

gesho.9468:

Cynz.9437:

pretty sure it is engis who decide the outcome… the more engis -> more iwin buttons -> win

bring condi necro, engi is cooked.

jk that condi necro gonna be tossed around like a pokeball

pretty sure it is engis who decide the outcome… the more engis → more iwin buttons → win

they had 1 year to change celestion, they did nothing and i am sure nothing will change till xpac because oh oh specialisations… jk engis will still have too much of everything, eles will still randomly mash buttons and don’t give flying kitten about anything… everyone else will just reroll in those 2

i am sorry but thief is a training dummy for anet’s nerfbat; they would probably rather stab themself in the eye than give any meaningful buffs to the class or at least fix any issues that been plaguing the class since launch

i rage at anet every time i get to fight celestial classes~

dps guard: don’t bother, he will kill you unless he is afk
dd ele: don’t bother, even if you manage to outplay him it will just take too long; you are probably more useful somewhere else

- can’t play any class with ports because anet decided to change how game handles latency and using port skills wil cause them to fail if you have more than 100ms (this basically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4LAIOajpI)
- enjoy getting stunned/feared/immobed mid dodge
other than that playable….
oh and you won’t get crappy EU lag that is caused by telekom being cheap kittens and not upgrading wooden node that causes bottleneck every evening

But why do people even bother queing in ranked when they just gonna afk anyway?

Suggestions? Bann people for afking/leaving matches like in every other game but gw2 for w/e reason.

My teammates rush to far, get farmed there, decide to afk at spawn rest of the match.

Pretty sure reporting them for “botting” won’t do anything. Why do you people even queue if you just gonna afk at spawn anyway? Also, why can’t be something done about such crap?

It is enough that i constantly have 4v5, having 3v5 because people don’t feel like playing is just extra that is really not needed.

azizul.8469:

run with guildmates

i am only person in my guild…<_<
besides i pvp 90% of the time~

I hardly doubt that acro is most used traitline…. more like power/crit in pve and trickery in pvp. Wvw is probably SA.

I think stats allocation across trait lines is ok but some traits are indeed quite misplaced imo and/or useless/crappy.

Why am i not surprised? The only thing Anet was good at all this years is finding way to nerfs thieves (pretending it is a buff) and screw up other classes at the same time… while completely ignoring huge issues that plagued the class since launch.

Watch it, teleport/terrain bug will be still not fixed. Last refuge will still get thieves killed. Will still get hit mid of dodge/evade with 22 ms latency etc….

Oh and certanly they will make sure that engis are on the top of the food chain as always and celestial classes can collect points while drooling on keyboard because Anet apprently has 0 understanding of risk vs reward concept.

The more i look at xpac the more i want to say “eff this game”.

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Zelkai.3562:

Would you ever consider an art-trade? :>
I would love to have someone with your skill draw my sylvari ele (I’ve never had anyone draw me art, it’s always me drawing for other people, hahah). Let me know and I’ll link you my stuff in a PM or something.

possibly, but as i said before, i won’t have time at least till april

nah they didn’t stream it but a wild pug team appeared (consisting of Zuik, Frosty, Honey, Cava and Night) and beat every team they faced xDDDD

congrats to winners!

it have been worse… fractals say hi -_-

Mayama.1854:

Cynz.9437:

let me guess:
you play from EU
you are possibly telekom customer
or you get routed via telekom/telia node

MIND… BLOWN…

basically telekom is too cheap to extend the node that causes bottle neck every evening hence why telekom and 1&1 (reseller from telekom) customers get lag when they get routed to frankfurt (where gw2 server is located)

supposely telekom has plans on expanding their capacity but it probably will take them another 128340238402842834 years before they actually do it

so yeah, welcome to the club

known problem, check german tech forums if you are bored and wanna read 120+ pages of complains

p.s. so gw2 isn’t only game that is affected, wow, league etc. are all sitting in same boat

dlonie.6547:

Since we’ve been seeing this same complaint/request very regularly for months, maybe a red post could let us know what they think about it?

crickets

oh i guess it is safe to assume at this point that anet supports such kind of trolling? because owner change did nothing for me but support trolls

Started dungeon myself, found people via LFG, got kicked after last boss died so i didn’t get reward. Trolls at it’s best. No way to prevent it besides making full premade which is not possible for all of us.

Can’t even report those players because team chat doesn’t save names once you got kicked out of team.

At least when you were dungeon owner, being kicked also caused everyone being kicked.

let me guess:
you play from EU
you are possibly telekom customer
or you get routed via telekom/telia node

i am a rogue :P

soloed 2 guards in ranked… killed them both… still speechless weeks later :|

um…. i find cele eles and engis more broken than shoutbow tbh….

JuneBug.5972:

Would you let us know when you’d be open for commissions?

as i said it probably won’t happen for a while but i will update this thread if i do any again~

bday present~

bamp + 15 mad charrs

it is not hard to lose 4v5 when entire team is chasing 1 guy on the beach in the forest half of the match……

critical theory.8750:

I think it’s time to step back and consider what some of you are saying… Because it’s completely illogical and just helps spread misinformation.

(Weapon strength) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor)

This is the equation for base damage. You can add protection, vulnerability, damage modifiers, etc, into it too, but those are also all multiplicative, meaning if you double for instance power, the total damage is also doubled. Add a 10 % modifier, and the damage goes up 10 %, add protection and damage is reduced by 33 % – pretty straight forward.

Now taking from wiki, we get these damage coefficient for some of the dagger skills:

Backstab: 2.4
Shadowshot: 1.25
Full auto chain: 0.56 + 0.85 + 0.85 = 2.26

So as we can see, backstab will always deal almost twice the damage of shadowshot (provided it hits from behind of course), and the damage is still around 6 % higher than the damage dealt by the full auto chain. You can make claims that backstabs hits too little, but if it hits like a wet noodle, you can be sure the rest of your skills will do the same. Adding protection and high toughness doesn’t magically alter the skill coefficients.

did you consider time and resources in your calculations? no…

the thread is not about builds really.. just backstab in itself… i feel like correlation between dmg it deals and costs is just not justified in current meta (which apprently is desired by devs considering they didn’t bother touching it for 1 year now, lol @ might nerf)

giving flat dmg buff to bs would be wrong as it would just push thieves too much over other zerkers hence suggestions that would rather affect tankier targets

bumperino 15 charrs

Sure sure, we have wvw, we have pve where bs can pull nice numbers once in ages…

I am talking about pvp. Certanly thieves can still get relative high backstab numbers on squishies. The problem is you don’t see them so much in pvp really. Most of the classes either play celestial or are just generally tanky/have high uptime on protection/weakness.

Most (high) backstabs i see are around 4-5 k. Celestial classes can do actually more dmg which kind of kills whole purpose of going zerker on first place (and thieves don’t have alternatives really).

Might sound a lot but it is not if you consider the set up time and requirements:
- getting stealth /blow CDs or a lot of initiative
- get behind the target
- mostlikely eat a lot of aoe dmg/CC while trying to get behind the target

Meanwhile given the set up time and execution time i probably could have done double dmg by spamming auto attack, even with sb… So what is the point of backstab? The risk/costs are just too high imo.

Maybe specialisations will change it but highly doubt it (inb4 traps spec is all thieves get) so few thoughts on it(brainstorming):

- maybe make it that crit backstab has xx% chance to ignore protection/certain amount of armor be it via rune/sigil or trait

- make ferocity more meaningful and maybe allow characters with high ferocity do more dmg if target reached certain armor level

- reduce backstab requirements? add trait that doesn’t require to be behind the target (lowers skill cap but really what is the point of skill cap in this brainless meta?)

You would say, omg u cray? You want thieves to do more dmg vs tanky ? But but but… yeah exactly isn’t it why zerkers give up everything for dmg anyway? Seeing them doing as much if not less dmg than celestial is just dishearting and makes me question Anet decisions. Seeing as Anet has 0 interest in changing celestial meta (which we had for 1 year now) i think it is time to ask for changes for thieves or zerkers in general.

tl/dr: My point is: backstab should be actually worth the amount of time/recources it requires. Thoughts? Suggestions?

bamp 15 characterrrsssss

more buffs to engis…. what a surprise~

T raw.4658:

I’ll call it right now

Thief gets no access to new boons or condis

Heard it here 1st

yeah pretty much this

i am also quite sure thieves won’t get anything new to deal with even increased crapload of condis and CCs… because anet logic~

i am also calling yet another dmg nerf because we didn’t have one in a while yet

oh and i am quite sure they will buff some random venom trait that will nobody ever use

don’t want to be that person but from the looks of it this xpac gonna make me quit game, at least for a while… as i couldn’t care less about pve and pvp will be just even worse -_-

Kuroko.6239:

Eh… Any Theif can 2 hit kill a ranger and us rangers have no way to defend ourselfs…

that’s a lie….
rangers have prot and invul, not to mention multiple CCs

Swim.6830:

We should have a thread with the top 10 most useless skills too.

thief traps /thread

EU team is currently looking for following classes:
- shoutbow
- mesmers
- engi

Please be experienced and active. Mic required.

Team is playing evenings around 9-11 pm CET.

Contact:
Irrwi – CynZ.9437
Will – Auldon.1972

i already see thieves garbage tier… i wish i could play game w/o xpac :/

Ominous.8702:

Well, Medi-Guard burst is not really an issue because it takes time to apply the burst and it can be countered with a stunbreak. It’s not INSTANT damage. Plus DPS-medi Guard defense is comically weak, at least in the case of a glass-cannon Thief, you have stealth/Shortbow/Shadow Step to gtfo if things go bad; a DPS Guard just has to take it to the face, so imo Guards aren’t really a “problem.”

RE: the OP, yeah Power-Claw Necros are pretty obnoxious, but they are susceptible to Boon Strip. If you don’t happen to HAVE Boon Strip, well then I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

don’t need boon strip, reflect works as well

Working as intended, strip necro stab, CC him, train him, blind hime.. STRAFE!!!

At least there are multiple ways of dealing with Lichform unlike medi guard burst

GW2 has build diversity i just wish meta would change more often and we wouldn’t be stuck with garbage like celestial for a year

Sitting in 4v5 right now, we never had 5th… :/

not affected by condis
not affected by crits
BUT HEY AFFECTED BY SPIRIT BUFFS, wth actually?

Liberis.9573:

I am much more interested in Stronghold than Conquest, and I don’t want to have to dodge queues in order to play it exclusively.

Thanks for your time.

+1

there are quite few classes that do more dmg than thieves but thieves are the best roamers in pvp due to mobility, stealth not to mention valuable stab steal daze that can interrupt stab stomps/rezzes

Dragon Ball, a player is still sitting at 0 points after match is done. He just runs to enemy and stands there doing nothing and let’s them kill him.

He: “I am just feeding. Only here for dailys”.

I was stuck with that person for few matches while being away 1 win from Dragon Ball Boss.

Is it reportable and how :/ ?

turrets should be affected by condi dmg and crits

see it this way
you haven’t done your job as a thief unless you got called names at least once per day

nomnomnom missmtaching ftw
i luv mah teef

I don’t have bad days, i have bad teams sometimes when i am consistently 1v3 and my team gets farmed at spawn point.

Certanly i am not best thief out there and can still improve a lot but issue with thief in general is that they can’t hold points so if your team doesn’t hold them you can’t win matches no matter how amazing you are.

See examples for 2 situations below:

Healix.5819:

Cynz.9437:

actually they can do something… yesterday lag for example was at ncsoft servers, it was only node where i had 100% packet los

Using your screenshot as an example:

You can’t judge a network solely by its ping. All a ping is really good for is checking if something is accessible and how long it takes. All those x/25 don’t really mean much because pings have a low priority and can be simply ignored, as seen with hop 9 and 11. Only dropping a few pings is more suspicious, but even then it could just be ping specific throttling rather than an overloaded router.

What you want to look at is the number next to the |. That shows a ping that was lost in between two hops – actual packet loss. Hop 6 to 7 doesn’t look too good, which is the EU-NA link.

But what if your pathping shows no problems? That’s the problem. Throttling doesn’t affect pings but forces you to drop packets. Throttling is a cheap alternative to network upgrades which are needed due to high bandwidth services gaining popularity. The rise of HD streaming (Netflix) for example destroyed older, highly populated networks.

Your pathping shows a route from Germany to the NA servers. Since there is nothing wrong with the NA servers, if you are experiencing problems with them, it’s definitely outside of ArenaNet’s control. You however appear to be on the EU servers, so I’m guessing you either transferred or pinged the wrong server.

KGS.9842:

at the least it would be fair towards people who have not yet bought the game and have no idea what they will be getting into

Posting an update in this thread wouldn’t change that. As for profits, it costs ArenaNet when they have to issue a refund, but scaring away potential customers is even worse.

and now the real joke
i am in EU, playing on EU servers, i pinged to map IP which was something like 206.127.146.57

solve me that riddle

care what you post, apprently posting about lag and issues it is causing is against forum rules now too