I suspect that if warriors stacked might like eles do, the OP would not have made this thread. Evidence of this is in some other threads, such as once about the recent movement skill bugs. When someone makes 4 post claiming the warrior deserves special attention to the bugs effecting its skills and the other professions should be secondary to that and list 11 paragraphs attempting to convince you that is a fact, it says a lot about the bias for and against other professions that a poster has. In this case I feel a similar bias is clear.
I love that you now basically forum stalk me and try to spread this whole “Burr r War, he knows nothing” message when atm it’s my least played class. Have you forgotten that Warrior is very, very good at might stacking? They would be hit just as hard as Eles by nerfing Might stacking since the reason most Hambows use Soldier ammy is because the Runes of Strength/Battle with the Combustive Shot + Arcing Arrow + Earthshaker combo makes up for the lack of crit damage. You act like i have an issue with Eles when I don’t.
NO CLASS should be able to maintain high might stacks without any team interaction. The duration pre-buff was fine, you could have a brief surge in damage but not a sustained one without help from teammates. I would much rather have back the old crit damage values and low might stacking because then it would require having glassier gear in order to deal damage and not a rune/sigil combo.
Far as I am concerned WoW did it right with stealth and the Rogue class, no I don’t play Wow for other reasons one being subscription, but they did do many things right and Stealth they did correctly, GW2 did not.
and that why rogues were least played class for almost entire expansion and their arena rep was around 1% when it should have been around 10%
with all that 1v8ing, you must be at the bottom of the ladderboard by now cheer up, you can Q solo in teamQ
not at the bottom but i dropped from 500ish to 94% lol… couldn’t care less really since LB are meaningless, the issue is just i am sick at tired of playing such lopsided matches because of trolls and lack of ready button
as far as tpvp goes, sadly my mmr is not low enough for me to just randomly pug alone and hope for any wins :s
you can’t anticipate when mesmer gonna pull you into hole on hammer platform because while you are loading into platform he already pulled you and you have 0 chance to react
then i go back to were i died with stability ready and kill him. sure its cheap that some of these people do these strategies, but is it really that much cheaper then using a bunker engineer to defend a point?
any real “exploit” mesmer on skyhammer is running nullfield (Or arcane thievery or both) + boon removal on shatter..
Wait, wat. When we (mesmers) do a pull, we have to put down a glowing purple line on the ground, LOL. If you’re being seen running towards Skyham gate and then loading in, sorry, but you are being too obvious by announcing your arrival and it’s your fault there is a pull waiting for you.
Also, nullfield and arcane thievery are some of the few condi clears we have access to. This is no exploit, pls. Boon removal on shatter is part of the regular shatter build!
If you’re having mesmer problems, stop getting rekt. Send another mesmer up to Skyham while you deal with point B. You can also send up a thief, engi, necro or even a hambow up there.
and what do you expect players to do if they don’t have stealth?
thief from design perspective doesn’t have sustain really … condi p/d is arguable tanky and have some sustain but not like other classes
d/p is burst weapon set, your whole dmg comes from backstab and AA basically, if you don’t capitalize on BS you are using wrong weapon set all honestly
surely you can go stealth spam SA build but you won’t be able to kill anyone half decent, the dmg and utility will be just lacking
at the end, no matter how tanky thief builds he will never be as tanky as any other class but still has to sacrifice a lot of dmg just for few points in survuval
sitting in skyhammer right now 3v5
one guy decided to not even bother so it is actually 2v5
is this supposed to be fun and competitive enviroment?
i honestly feel like being trolled by the game at this point: let me put you together with most trolls/afkers in game so you garanteed to lose every match
7 matches!!!!!! someone either trolls, quits or is afk… why is this a thing?
sitting in skyhammer right now 3v5
one guy decided to not even bother so it is actually 2v5
is this supposed to be fun and competitive enviroment?
i honestly feel like being trolled by the game at this point: let me put you together with most trolls/afkers in game so you garanteed to lose every match
7 matches!!!!!! someone either trolls, quits or is afk… why is this a thing?
‘I swung a nerf bat. I swung a nerf bat again. Hey! I swung it again.’ That’s great.
That’s true… actually if anything this was a good patch. We weren’t hit with the nerf bat. Rejoice! We don’t always get hit.
Actually…
:/ I think they just forgot to be honest.
I just had 5 matches in a row where person was either botting (sitting in the corner of the map whole match and doing nothing) or simply actively refused to leave spawn point for w/e reason and just talked trash all game. Some people even leave match just because they don’t feel like fighting.
They can’t be punished because they are not really afk but they are still causing 4v5 and griefing.
Celestial is only broken on 2 classes : ele/engi I dont think they need nerf might stack just because of 2 classes or it will affect the full zerker builds aswell like shatter mesmer and S/D thief that heavely rely on might stack.
Just because those classes can make good use of the otherwise useless celestial amulet doesn’t mean that it’s broken.
However, do you guys remember the tier-list before the patch where these changes got introduced? Ele was lowest tier and everyone cried for some ele-love. Now ele is top-tier with one build that didn’t recieve other major buffs with the exception of new gear / runes and sigils.
Therefore I think it’s majorly the gear that made eles viable again. We’ve always had to rely on a huge amount of boons (remember buggy Zephyr’s Boon? Everyone used it, just as elemental attunement and renewing stamina).
Those traits are fine but here comes the real problem. A class should be viable on its own and gear should only tweak and enhance the build you’re running by a tiny bit. So the might-stacking should be integrated into the ele-build and not on the gear. This way it could be balanced way more easily.
Still eles (regardless of build) are countered by some classes and/or certain gameplay. I personally (I play ele myself, no might-stacking/celestial though) don’t have a problem with them.
that is not entirely true, eles were fine before celestial amy + extreme might stacking got added into pvp
i like 2/6/0/0/6 build because
- i love to get air/fire procs from both weapons + sigil of generosity on sb
- i mostly play ranked so my job as thief is usually not to duel enemy but go to fight points and create outnumbered situation, at that point enemies are usually not at full HP so executioner is works really well in that scenario
- extra HP from practiced tolerance is sweet and always welcome
reasons why i don’t like 6 in deadly arts besides losing pros from crit line:
- i feel like i am actually losing some dmg, i do not have much survival as thief for long fights so the more burst i can dish in short time the better (which is ensured by crits and crit procs)
- panic strike is nice as long as you don’t fight someone with lot of condi removal which franky most meta builds have nowdays due to condi abuse so i feel like i can’t make really much use of it unless i fight another thief
i did run 2 in SA for a while but it turned out that i have better chance to win a fight when i dish out extra dmg and drop someone fast instead of losing some dmg and getting very slow and very situational condi removal that won’t help me at all vs grenade spam or fearmancer
You can’t take thief in vacuum like this.
Other professions are also godly in good hands, many of them are far superior in fact even in hands of bad players… and that is the issue.
Look at pvp forums, in every thread when people evaluate classes it is always the same: you want only 1 thief on your team and that thief has to be amazing, it is ok to have mediocre warrior or engi but that 1 thief has to be amazing, mediocre won’t cut it because of extreme high risk mechanics of the thief.
Also, pvp wise, any build that synergizes well with celestial/might stacking is ruling pvp meta and thieves are not one of them hence why we don’t see so many.
That is why people think thieves need a buff:
- other professions don’t require such high risk for same reward
- pvp is ruled by hybrid bunkers (which thieves are not) due to effectivness and only 1 game mode
I personally don’t think that thieves really need that much buffing besides bug fixes and QoL changes but rather other professions need to meet nerf bat (engis especially).
In my opinion, as the self-proclaimed worst thief EU, I’d say they’ve been brought in line with most other zerker specs, especially Mesmer…
It is now a case of “who sees who first” and resetting the fight means you won the point! Good job!
You’re wrong, thief still hard counters mesmers hard, they can come in a team fight and down a mesmer in seconds. Consume plasma gives them 5 sec of god mode the mesmer can’t interrupt him and since the thief can stealth more than the Mesmer they can always get the opening. With the sigil of air and fire and mesmer being a light armor class, they can literally one shot the mesmer.
Actually, if they nerfed consume plasma I’d feel pretty solid against thieves on mes. That one thing majorly slants the fight in favor of the thief.
while they at it can they also please nerf F1 F2 F3 F4 skill of every other class ty
Last I checked the highest percentage you could be without being top 1000 was 96%. That would mean those 1000 are 4% of the population, or 250/1%. That means total pop ~= 25000.
But yes, keep in mind that a huge fraction of that is probably inactive.
Also FYI, I did a quick survey of hotjoin once on the weeknight out of boredom. There was ~ 400 ppl playing.
Stolen from League (duhh). Suggestion for more map awarness: map pings on points or enemy now play sound. Obviously ping spam would cause something similar to chat restriction for short time.
I don’t even know where to begin to describe what’s all wrong in this post, there’s just so much wrong with it, but let me give the most important reason: skills that are completely useless depending on what class you fight are a no go in this game. Or are you actually implying that it has those on top of their current effects? Because then you get overpowered skills and that is also not a good idea.
but that was the logic anet followed: something is underused, let’s slap hardcounter effect on it
I don’t even know where to begin to describe what’s all wrong in this post, there’s just so much wrong with it, but let me give the most important reason: skills that are completely useless depending on what class you fight are a no go in this game. Or are you actually implying that it has those on top of their current effects? Because then you get overpowered skills and that is also not a good idea.
but that was the logic anet followed: something is underused, let’s slap hardcounter effect on it
It is all well known how thieves have absolutely 0 chance vs guards and have hard times vs engis.
Given the latest additions to engi googles and and ranger revealed buff which adds hardcounter to any stealth based classes i think it is time to add hardcounters for guards for example, seeing as hardcounters like this apprently introduce “healthy and fun” gameplay.
I would suggest following changes.
Thief traps are known to be completely useless and undesired. I suggest traps to have additinal effects like:
- trap should apply debuff on guards causing them unable to use blocks or gain aegis for 10 sec
- traps should apply debuff on engineer forcing engineer turrets attack the engi and not his enemy for 6 sec and his grenades affect engineer as well
Traps probably will be still not used widely but will have their niche application just like engi googles.
Had multiple Skyhammer pops after an other, and now I simply shut down the game…
The map literally promotes so much bullkitten that it makes the experience simply gone… well to me that is, I guess all those people who pulled me in stealth had a ton of fun…
I am going to refrain myself from doing SoloQ’s for a while again… It is depressing, and simply disappointing to see this map being in the rotation after all the feedback that has been given…
i am one of those people pulling other into holes from stealth all game…. trust me, i do not enjoy it but if everyone plays cheese there you either gotta quit or join them
the map is soooooooooooooooooooo buggy too, half of my spells don’t even work properly there due to terrain issues, bugs etc.
i am guessing those a lot of people that like it are…. hmm, those who don’t do ranked or abuse certain farm
Thieves think so much of themselves that the “QQ” that is received as a thief is nothing compared to the one received when a thief is killed by another profession laughs out loud
Having said this, I sympathise for all thieves. Your constant struggling and button smashing between neverending evades, teleports, invisibilities, 10K+ single skill spikes, etc. must be so tiring and brain consuming. I cannot even begin to imagine what you people go through each day to bring home those precious rank points. Therefore, I plead to the anet designer team. PLEASE BUFF the thief class. Relieve them of the constant daily stress and make their online life better. This way, no other profession will be able to kill a thief ever, not even by luck, and the worst part of the “QQ” will stop.
i am playing same old d/p trickery build 2/6/0/0/6 just with air/fire sigils, works fine for me unless i am facing full medi guards or full necro with nightmares runes team
it is deifinitely high risk build but i think worth learning
ill be honest, i love this map. its the best one. I feel like it takes more skill to be aware of your surroundings and anticipate the enemies Knockbacks. it has a gimmick that helps you earn points rather then getting them for free using the Skyhammer Cannon. i want more maps like this, not necessarily ones that have instant kill hazords, but maps that aren’t filled with redundant, boring, back and fourth duel style combat and ward gimmicks.
you can’t anticipate when mesmer gonna pull you into hole on hammer platform because while you are loading into platform he already pulled you and you have 0 chance to react
I always feel d/p thief and shatter mesmer are the highest skill ceiling in gw2 , not sure they are most mechanically intensive tho , one note :d/p thief and shatter mes have to take huge risk to land their spike (Comparing s/f ele u couldn’t have spike and stupid invul in same time ). Also they have to somehow build up their damage for thief it’s stealth , for mesmer it’s illusion.
S/D ele might be second .
Like someone said before ,engi could do many stuff that doesn’t mean u have to do those in every second in order to kill someone .If your still don’t understand this :just take a look at actual tpvp shatter mesmer builds check those used traits .There is nothing like engi IP trait which randomly works
Tho, D/P is still cheese compared to shatter mes, with simpler burst combo, easier mechanics and better disengages. as a mesmer, you really need to work your possibilities(high skill ceiling) and outplay thief in order to win.
mesmer brings some really interesting plays with not only shatter, but also how their weapons work. you can pull off some really interesting stuff. The only thing that is close, is either s/f or s/d zerker ele, in terms of mechanic possibilities and intensity.
2 times in a row i got Skyhammer, 2 times in a row it was 4v5 because someone ragequit
Why are players forced to deal with this?
What do you expect us to do?
Is it your definition of competitive pvp?
Should we just all afk at that map because it is hopeless from begin with?
It doesn’t seem like anyone fears any banns or rather would get banned than play on this map. Either fix the map/remove or introduce punishment that actually matters.
cheer up, you can Q solo in teamQ
