Guild Wars 2

- P/P (Pistol/Pistol, pistols are worthless.)…
- Anything that deals in PVE (we are banned from dungeons.)…
- S/D (Sucks)…
- S/P (Sucks)…
- D/P (Sucks.)…

They may be the most commonly played class in spvp, but not for everywhere else, thief is the hardest class in the game to level in PVE.

I want craftable Rabid Armor/Jewelry…

Mesmer hit me for 12030 with his clone explode…

DesertRose.2031:

Okay, this thread won’t let me quote, so…

Thief? What can he do?
Run Away.
Damage.

Permanent Blind.
One of the most frequently useable blast finishers.
Good ST damage.
Good AoE damage.

If you “perma-blind” you cannot attack.
Boss mobs in PVE are immune to blind.
AoE Damage has long range, but takes forever to get to the target, easilly avoided unless your in close range.

You don’t get the extra initiative unless you have 15 in trickery.

Finish you off with three heartseekers? Your still alive and you know hes there, and your abilities are all up, you could knock him down and kill him couldn’t you?

You could also dodge the heartseekers, now that you know hes there.

Ur “Almost dead.” If your ALMOST dead, your still not dead, you can heal back up and start your counter attack, after a thief has wasted his initative he cannot attack you.

It should only work as much as what you can possibly able to get to, otherwise they should change abilities like blink/shadowstep for thief to get into those places as well.

If you have protection up already before he backstabs you, he might of stolen the buff, but I doubt it since the backstab insta-kill build requires 25 power/25 precision at the minimum.

Also, does your guardian stack toughness on top of the protection? it makes a huge difference because its like reducing a great deal of the damage, then another base 33% on top of that.

My Warrior who has 30 in toughness wearing all knights gear takes 3850 from backstab, and since hes a warrior he also reflects a good bit of that damage back to the thief with retaliation.

Signets are Signets.

How to counter a thief:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Against-Backstab-Superior-Runes-of-Earth/first#post487126

Pistols + Enemy has Retaliation = Dead Thief.

Bunker builds usually obliterate thieves.

Thats not true, you can tell what class a character has looking at his weapons and his combat animations and the sounds he makes.

If it was placed there, and built there, then someone obviously got up there some how.

This game doesn’t have a holy trinity, a cloth person can stack vitality and toughness and be tankier then a warrior in plate in certain situations, necromancers are one of the most resilient classes in the game and they wear the lightest armor, why not allow certain classes to wear armor, for just appearance purposes, WHY not?

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/6305/thiefmixedarmor.jpg

This is what I can do with my thief if he was allowed to use cloth, and why shouldn’t he? hes a thief he should beable to use cloth.. isn’t that outfit awesome!?

I just have faith, I usually have faith in its ability and my supreme luck that it usually procs 100% of the time and saves my rear every time

Seems to work for me, runes are free for spvp, maybe you should test it.

Necronin.9680:

Daecollo.9578:

Necronin.9680:

I realize that. The post would just be better placed in the other forum is all. More relevancy.

Not really, it needs to be here, its obviously a huge issue for players since they die in one hit to thieves.

First off no thief can kill someone in 1 hit. Full glass cannon builds take about 3 seconds if spec’d correctly and that only happens if the other player is caught off guard. Honestly tho if someone is looking for help against thief’s, why wouldn’t they ask there question or look in the player helping player forum. Just trying to help. And not let you waste a post to forum trolls.

Tired of the 10 threads saying the same thing, this is a viable alternative, now whenever someone says something I can just link this thread.

I still think this should be a spectral skill.

Necronin.9680:

I realize that. The post would just be better placed in the other forum is all. More relevancy.

Not really, it needs to be here, its obviously a huge issue for players since they die in one hit to thieves.

Not really, its to help against backstabs, and many thief combos, since alot of players are asking for help against them.

Pistol Damage is worthless, Pistol Skills 4/5 are extreamly situational and cost too much.

RaCast.6510:

Where does the 80% come from? The 50% sure..its actually ~44% but I’ll let that one go

Steal hits twice (poison for first, mug for second.) 50% chance to apply the rune, if it does apply the run, the -33% reduction to damage is taken into account first before damage is applied.

Cloak and Dagger (hits after that.) has another 25% chance to apply it after that.
And then Backstab, another 25% chance to apply it.

The chance to nerf backstabs damage by 33% is so high its funny, back stab hit me for 4804 in spvp.

If it procs off steal, the beauty of the combo comes alive, because they do it so fast that they don’t notice the protection buff.

It also works really well against heartseeker spammers and pistol whippers (attacking 11 times? lol guarenteed to proc.)

I was heartseeked 6 times in like 2-3 seconds, and it went off on the second one, I just ate all of them, each of them would usually hit for 5000, but now they hit me for 2700 due to -33% damage, beautiful.

Idk, Thieves are the funnest and easiest classes to beat in SPVP, I wish more people played them.

Hilarious when my hammer warrior incapacitates three of them at once with 4 attacks.

http://www.gw2db.com/recipes/8841-superior-rune-of-the-earth

Completely counter backstab builds if you have over 20k health and decent armor, it has literally an 80% chance to go off if your backstabed with the chain, and since steal hits you twice it has a 50% chance to go off on that as well.

If you have problems with thiefs insta gibbing you with backstab, I suggest getting these four runes to counter the damage, -33% damage off backstab from it makes it almost completely trash, and the thief cannot do anything but run away after those chain combo is gone.

Another way to counter backstab, get full runes of lysssa, removes all conditions and applys all boons on you, if you use an instant elite it can instantly turn the fight around, adding aegis/regeneration/protection completely removes the damage of back stab, just wait until he C/Ds you then pop Lyssa, it will cure the poison steal gave you and heal out the damage.

Whats really fun about this is it also counters one-hit wonders like warriors 100b, mesmers explosion storm.

Hammer Warrior > Thief

How to beat a Thief.
30 Toughness Tree, –
1. Cripple/Stun/Chill/ adds +200 toughness.
2. Hammers do 25% more damage to knocked down targets.
3. Gain Retaliation on Critical Hits, 5 seconds, 15 second CD.

Use Axe/Mace and Hammer.

Proceed to Win.

Nights are very short… I would love nights that lasted 2-3 hours.
When nights last like 10 minutes and then day 15 minutes it just seems wrong.

You could have BEAUTIFUL Twilight/Mornings with long days and nights.

Please add more environment effects.

Is there gonna be any option like this anytime soon?

Kay… so you wasted all your skills… and… 30 seconds?

You kind of didn’t see the part where they weren’t just fighting the thief, but were fighting the things in the base first (they were fighting the guy with immunity, which is stupid because he had immunity to damage and his damage was increased 10 times.)

And then his buddies started to come in to attack them.

If they were ALL focused on the thief instead of the immune to damage camp master/buddies, then this would of probably been a different story, but only 2-3 of them were actually trying to find the thief.

Another video with a thief with multiple orbs vs opponents with 0 orbs.

Why is this on the suggestion forum?

I want Dual Pistols to be all about conditions, kind of like BH pistols were in swg.

so? we HAVE to do three of them to get any decent amount of tokens.

All the mobs have way too much HP… except the smaller mobs.

Sylvari may be as strong as a human, but they are physically more resilient then a norn is.

The only class that should do this is engineer.

Ok… link a screenshot of your thief in full berserker gear doing 30k damage, show me the combat log please, I wanna see your thief doing this, not someone else attacking you.

how does he have 22k HP, does he have 3 orbs?

The enemies don’t seem to have an orb.

Backstab is nothing without the LONG cooldown skill that makes it do 150% more damage.

Nobody complains about S/D, and never did.

Wow, I like how you named alot of our utility skills, you realize if we USED all those condition removals we could no longer kill you with back stab..right?

You need assassin’s signet so backstab does damage.
You need Signet of Shadows so when you go into stealth you arn’t moving like your snared. (STEALTH SLOWS YOU.)
You need atleast Shadowstep to get away if you miss, which you do, ALOT.

Theres no way to have that AND condition removal, its impossible.

EasymodeX.4062:

Daecollo.9578:

You expect to live against someone in full berserkers whilst being full berserker yourself and having no defensive gear or vitality, against a class designed to hit hard and fast with multiple strikes?

Genius Bro.

Why do you expect Thieves to auto-win every 1v1 within 1.0 seconds from range using equal gear?

Genius.

I do expect that, anyone who stands around in full dps gear with all dps adornments deserves to be melted by a hit and run class like thief.

If you don’t like it, tough kitten, play one.

Syn.3459:

Daecollo.9578:

Syn.3459:

Daecollo.9578:

Syn.3459:

Daecollo.9578:

Hes investing his gear into kill you, but you don’t even have the common courtesy to invest in gear to make sure your living?

Get 4 pieces of “Rune of the Earth”.

that is NOT a solution, people shouldn’t have to re-gear to deal with a single class… the game is flawed if that has to happen, i haven’t ran into any decent thieves yet (apart from hs quickness spammers) but from seeing a *13k hit *, that isn’t balance whether it’s on a glass cannon or not

Thief has to gear to kill you that way, otherwise he could not, its not like the rune is useless against other classes either, its a very good set.

Don’t complain about a class if you don’t want to fix yourself to beat them.

you’re so ignorant it’s unreal, get your head out of the mud and look at the bigger picture

Oh i’m sorry, I just don’t understand your logic, your complaining about an easy counter and NOT doing anything to help yourself besides posting on the forums like a child.

I use Runes of the Earth, I never die to one-hit wonders like 100b and backstab builds.

my first post was about 10 mins ago saying that any class doing 13k damage is unacceptable, if you think that’s “like a child” then i actually feel a little bad for replying to you because you obviously don’t quite understand what’s going on

i’ll go over what i quite literally just said a 2 posts ago and went over again in this post; doing that much damage in 1 hit is unacceptable, whether on a glass cannon or not.. sugar coat it all you like and post around saying to counter not taking a 13k hit you have to go defensive and take a 9k hit instead but the fact remains that damage that high isn’t fair to any class

You expect to live against someone in full berserkers whilst being full berserker yourself and having no defensive gear or vitality, against a class designed to hit hard and fast with multiple strikes?

Genius Bro.

Syn.3459:

Daecollo.9578:

Syn.3459:

Daecollo.9578:

Hes investing his gear into kill you, but you don’t even have the common courtesy to invest in gear to make sure your living?

Get 4 pieces of “Rune of the Earth”.

that is NOT a solution, people shouldn’t have to re-gear to deal with a single class… the game is flawed if that has to happen, i haven’t ran into any decent thieves yet (apart from hs quickness spammers) but from seeing a *13k hit *, that isn’t balance whether it’s on a glass cannon or not

Thief has to gear to kill you that way, otherwise he could not, its not like the rune is useless against other classes either, its a very good set.

Don’t complain about a class if you don’t want to fix yourself to beat them.

you’re so ignorant it’s unreal, get your head out of the mud and look at the bigger picture

Oh i’m sorry, I just don’t understand your logic, your complaining about an easy counter and NOT doing anything to help yourself besides posting on the forums like a child.

I use Runes of the Earth, I never die to one-hit wonders like 100b and backstab builds.

Syn.3459:

Daecollo.9578:

Hes investing his gear into kill you, but you don’t even have the common courtesy to invest in gear to make sure your living?

Get 4 pieces of “Rune of the Earth”.

that is NOT a solution, people shouldn’t have to re-gear to deal with a single class… the game is flawed if that has to happen, i haven’t ran into any decent thieves yet (apart from hs quickness spammers) but from seeing a *13k hit *, that isn’t balance whether it’s on a glass cannon or not

Thief has to gear to kill you that way, otherwise he could not, its not like the rune is useless against other classes either, its a very good set.

Don’t complain about a class if you don’t want to fix yourself to beat them.

“Thief uses Steal, this does damage twice, 50% chance to proc rune of Earth.” [due to the poison (this counts as damage.) and then steal doing damage (mug.)]
“Thief uses Cloak And Dagger, this is another 25% chance to proc rune of Earth.”
“Thief uses Backstab, this is another 25% chance to proc rune of Earth.”
When it procs, it procs before the damage is applied, therefore if it proced on steal, it would reduce the damage of STEAL/C/D/Backstab ALL by 33%.

This completely obliterates the combo, if you nerfed the class down further, it would make the combo completely worthless just with this rune, have you ever seen a thief NOT able to kill someone in those precious seconds? they have no vitality, 10k HP, and all there stuff is on CD, they are SITTING ducks.

Hes investing his gear into kill you, but you don’t even have the common courtesy to invest in gear to make sure your living?

Get 4 pieces of “Rune of the Earth”.

This will make dungeons funner and more exciting, trust me.

Also, add a timer in the game so you know which paths you can do next.