Guild Wars 2

i also agree with the OP:
just for the sake of comparison, just compare wall of reflection with smoke screen:
wall: much bigger rectangle (long+wide) than smoke screen (check)
duration: much over 10 seconds (15 if trained), smokescreen 7, can’t train extra duration

cool down: 40 sec for wall (32 trained), 30 for smoke (24 trained),
instant cast vs 1 second cast
1 is light field other smoke, so on par here…but only here

reflection causes damage to the boss, smoke does not…
So why the hell wall is so much better than our smoke screen? Why?

i do agree that bouncing between servers just for wvw must stop

I WANT TO SALVAGE THEM FOR ECTOS !!!!

it would be great to have a +5% damage or +5% crit one, just like daggers

i have the feeling that a-net are ninja nerfing thief without posing the modifications
and yes i do agree we are weak at pve compared to warriors for example.

from my point of view it is more than enough we have low hp pool and medium armor and stealth
compared to warriors who have high hp pool (almost double) and heavy armor and high dps damage !

but still we are nerfed even further, WHY ? (if i may ask)

pros: stealth, trolling wvw players via culling, good damage, awesome mobility
cons: low hp pool, average armor, random nerfs, no support builds

well, just because most of the thief player base sucks at fractals, it doesn’t necessarily mean there are no good ones that went over the 30+ barrier
yes, i feel inferior some way to other “tanky classes” but i think they can’t do good aoe dmg, i was soloing a fractal mob, while the other 4 guys was killing the other… it was a close tie :P
and no, i am not 1 shot material, i have more than 16k hp and more than 2.5k armor, i can melee bosses and can take a direct hit and not die horribly

make thief 95% transparent on stealth ? hmm…. not bad as long as the npc mobs don’t mind

+
pistol whip lost 15% dmg got some useful(useless) utility instead a small evade that don’t matters and a 1/4 sec stun, but you also get rooted in place, you get revealed debuff if you attack while in stealth, heart seeker is now 50%/25% instead of 66%/33%

basicaly most thief skils got nerfed… while imba warriors got none

just as in RL, when you buy something, don’t expect the vendor to give your money back

well you are right i guess, but still it doesn’t excuse the fact that thief is not as useful as warrior or guardian in a party….

well, i don’t see A-net dream team to actually buff the thief for PVE after so much QQ tears from WvW or PVP
yes, you pump 8 headshots and lose 32 initiative …. the cost is a lot of damage lost, so … no.
you can’t melee bosses because of lol hp/toughness ratios, and the auto atack from pistol is very weak, and no synergy at all with dps builds….

venom aura 300 range, and the kitten shouts/banners are 600+ ? is this fair ???
traps are still LOL at PVE. There are 3 options:
a)suck it up until god will have mercy
b)play another game
c)roll a guardian/warrior for PVE partys

i also support the ideea of lupicus instead of jade maw. (even if atm i don’t play gw2 for the moment, thief strike :P)
it would separate kids from real men !

because i can’t join parties with my thief and all ppl want are guardians OR warriors, i decided to (emo) quit for some time until my class is wanted in dungeon/fractal partys !!!

why i am kicked because i am a thief ? WHY ? !!!
note: there were no other thieves in the party

all ppl want is guardian, guardian, and more guardians, i am sick of this…

this is not a bug, it is a feature !

Hello. I wanted to report that the +10% condition duration for the Giver’s Pearl Sword (weapons) does not increase the duration of conditions (i know it is not reflected in the tooltip), but testing, it does not increase them….

Hi ppl! WHY the guardian is so much needed in dungeons/fractals ?
There si much much easyer to get party as a guardian, than other classes, which i belive is NOT fair !!! i always see . “lf heavy, preferable guardian”
like wtf, i feel so neglected on my class (ot guardian ofc)…

yes, this is another qq thread if you want it this way.

we, the big group of players are proposing that, whenever the thief enters stealth, to automatically enter a downed state. By implementing this FIX, it brings balance to the game.

i want to protest, because thieves are nerfed to the ground because of your culling problems !

a-net’s way of trolling the players HAHAHA

you just got served XD

Hi guys, i wanted to ask here, what exactly a thief brings to a dungeon party?
I say quite a few “we do not want thieves” in party. So i am missing something here?
Except the SR skill is there any other strength to bring us along?

i am feeling left out into the rain sometimes, all because 14+ nerfs in a row i think…

can anyone see a pattern here or i am missing something ???

the biggest waste of ini i ever saw…. unless the target is hugging you :P and it is only one melee npc ofc

dear OP. go play wow
you are really clueless…
i already see “lf2m fractal 10, no thief”, why should i get the boot and not have party because the likes of you ???

what is arah ??? is a dungeon ?? try AC mate, they are easyer.

go for the warrior mate, you can’t go wrong with it !

remove stealth= remove cond removal from thieves+hp regen+ faster ini regen+other traits based on stealth.
kills everything. period. n00bs

Zenpo.5962:

Today I tried to run fractal level 11 for the first time. Things were a bit harder than 10 but manageable. That is until the Fire Shaman. Three times today, in three different groups we failed over and over again until we gave up. It’s not that we didn’t know the strategy or weren’t capable. After the first 2 times I was thinking maybe it’s the agony and put together a group where everyone had agony resist. Three of us had 10, the other 2 had 5 and we still failed miserably.

I afraid I’m going to have to give up on fractals all together until they fix this. It is just way too aggravating and discouraging and no fun at all.

i think you should remain at lvl 10 until you can handle the “heat”

well, we suck hard at pve, but QQ ppl want to nerf us even more !
When i see the the day 1 rabbit can kill me, then i quit

Stiv.1820:

Dying to burst thieves is a huge L2P issue in GW2. Burst thieves have their place in a organized team but that’s it. On their own they are only good at cleaning up on bad players.

and they are doing a great job killing noobs that later come crying on forum for thief nerfs.

you can’t tank. period.

dear SIR, please use dodge to get out of caltrops zone, /sarcasm end
can you actually think for a moment how to counter it ???

FalconX.9287:

thanks guys . in the end i made a worrior
thieves i read they aren’t good in pve and engineer umm doesnt seem my stuff

and that’s because of the 10+ or so nerf steaks in a row …. and QQ idiots…
(for the thief i mean)

guys, but if we go to a lvl 30+ fractal with pugs, and 1-2 of them are low lvl like 1-2-3, and NO agony resist, wouldn’t that break the party?
how about inserting to see about what is their lvl and limiting them to max +10 levels above the lowest fractal number each party member has
so if the lowest guy is lvl 2, then party can do maximum lvl 12.
(just to avoid drama party’s and total disasters)

proposal for a-net:
after stealth ends, automatically thief receives 5 seconds of “revealed”, it does not matter if they attack or not. or make it 6. this should make the mob shut up.
(this will not affect the average dungeon player, but the wvw player)
p.s. with all the nerfes thief received, i did stopped playing the pvp and wvw, if you kill dungeon pve, then good luck…

Vuh.1328:

Seriously the death blossom spam spec(s) is borderline griefing imo, increase the initative cost for it or remove the evasion from it >-<.
I really don’t give a kitten about pistolwhip glass cannons or backstabbers..

i think it is more a LEARN TO PLAY issue here. please buy a brain.
thank you very much in advance. /thread end

it is sad that ppl are cheating to get high fractal levels.
but again, the system is broken at even the concept level…

hahaha, tipically from a-net: players, we trolled you again !
yes, very hard to make a fractal group now for lvl X, thank you ALL for making our lives more miserable

YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES !!!
CAGING THE WHOLE PARTY INTO AN UNBREAKABABLE CAGE, LOOOL, NICE ONE…

i gave it all up, really, kitten it !
the game hates me, i think i have better chances to get a legendary weapon drop at a lvl 1 mob…
can one tell my WHY the agony tics at 1/4 of a second ??? i am dead before i cast the 1second+ healing skill !!! where i go wrong ?? i pop heal in 1/2 second, and in the middle of healing cast i am already dead …. !!!

i am starting to think the game hates me
0/14 !!!
20% ring change ? NO WAY. DROP DEAD !

JonPeters.5630:

We are looking into this. I actually think P/P has a lot of utility. Blind field, daze, vuln stacking. However damage is a bit low. We are making some headway here in the12/14 build so be patient for one more week.

Jon

dude, what have you been smoking ? i want some too:
1. blind field vs dungeon boss is terrible, also the range is lol and 6 initiative??
2. 4 initiative just to rip 1 of the 7 defiant stacks a boss has? so i need 28-32 initiative just to interupt the boss ONCE…good joke…
3. vuln ? i think i better not use it, overall all party does more damage if i do auto attack or unloads…

Hi guys, did you ever had the feeling your time is just wasted ?

I create a 5 man team in 30 min for fractal 10, ok… we go in, we got 1 d/c guy
ok, we kick him, we get another, we go to 1st boss (another 30 min passes)
he also d/c, we exit dungeon 2nd time
like wtf ??? i just lost 1 hour doing what ?

they system should punish those who d/c or exit the party in fractals !
this trolling the other 4 ppl has to stop!

i am still hoping for a ring drop this year !!!

1. the fractal lvl 10 grawl shaman 1st part
2. standing on the edge
3. didn’t notice i was not on pistols (switched them maybe?)
4. i am the one in the soup now !!) ….
since then i think they fixed the bug and you auto teleport back up…

Jefzor.7145:

The best way to battle them is to go to their forum section and ask for nerfs.

yep, a properly bunker can’t be beaten by 2 or even 3 guys in the same time !

please fire your lol tester team, they seem very clueless how to test things properly before releasing “fixes” into production (aka the user community)…
guys you fix 1 thing, but bug out many other things instead….

say hello to a-net trolling players via lol drop rates for something you need to progress…