Guild Wars 2

both make me cry
i was expecting naked ladies with some knives in thier hands

s/d is a bit too weak unless you go for the daze spam don’t abuse it because it might be nerfed again, imo , LS died, sword 2 is really nice tho
s/p is a joke now with the new stun nerf
d/d is meh
p/d takes ages to kill in pvp, however Venom share with p/d might be usefull
d/p seems the only thing viable, until they +2 nerf ini on stealth

my 2 cents.

i don’t get it.
why so much hatred against the thief class ?

Maugetarr.6823:

TL; DR: S/D doesn’t offer any significant utility anymore (imo) to make up for the loss of burst damage that D/P has.

no worry dude, d/p can also be nerfed because of the perma stealth troll builds

i think it was not intended for the thief to be usefull via VA
nerf incoming ?

worrior or guard because of lower brain usage

Torgrim.3642:

I have played GW2 since beta 1, more and more I see the GW2 manifesto getting more and more untrue.

“the cake is a lie”

Noobkaka.5067:

So tell my why I should come back and atleast try to play the game.

i don’t know, i ask myself the same thing

Perma stealth? :S
is this thing even allowed in Gw2 or it counts as a cheat?

Clumsy.6257:

dont listen to danh he doesnt actually play a thief, currently were #2 best dps and have a plentiful supply of support abilities, our only downside is we take squishy to the next level

edit: what moron told you eles suck? theyre #1 dps ingame with the best might stacking abilities, not to mention FGS which that skill alone is worth using a party slot on

kitten , i can swear i have my thief created since game pre-release
maybe you are right and my memory fails me…
it is hard to master the thief? Yes
newbie guardian/warrior etc. is much much MUCH better to a party than a newbie thief (that dies most of the time or stays in stealth), at least they have party support like 24/7 banner, group condition cleanse and/or buffs, aoe heals (large radius) via shouts with just 1 trait etc.
dungeon bosses/champions/elites will laugh at your black powder =))

for a newbie, try a warrior or a guardian
thiefs are only for wvw 1vs1 trolling

this is the most closest thing regarding the new patch for thief:
thiefs: QQ
a-net and the nerf wagon: http://dagobah.net/flash/successful_troll_2.swf

“they are stealing my boons, please nerf” , worked !

vincecontix.1264:

WvW is going to have an influx of new players and with that I foresee alot of qqing so prepare to defend our class!!! Happy hunting to you all

i got banned for a few days, so i couldn’t qq

ok then, buff venoms, nerf VA sources to 2 (you and a friend)
problem solved

swinsk.6410:

A thief hit my warrior with pistol #2 and I had -40% reduct from food, dodged march, melandru runes, and it lasted for about .01s. The only reason I noticed it was because of the bolas animation.

since when worriors are OP ? <trollface>

Destroy Shadow Trap: returning part removed, stun break kept and give stability for 1 second

problem solved

topics in PvE:
1: Why we share the same fate as WvW skills ?
2. On what base you balance classes for PvE ?
3. Will this game turn into Lineage 2 grind ? ages to make level, and more ages to grind the good equipment (not best) ?

thankx

in my opinion it would be nice if it would had been the below:
2 seconds weakness
2 seconds cripple
1 second bindness

the only thing is see usage curently, is in an venom share build, with cond duration +100% spamming bodyshot and devourer and basilisk
full lockdown ^^, still not perma stun lock… still better than a kick in the head…
maybe with p/d

my suggestion is to:
make a build with PVT gear, until you learn how to dodge properly.
with time, you go step by step into zerker gear, and put PVT aside
simple

playing thief is like driving a weelchair down a staircase while firering a uzi"
fun, rough ride & kamikaze

dDuff.3860:

Sup, guys
I’ve been playing for a while with my fancy S/P build and found it is quite annoying and powerful at chasing, finishing, disturbing, interrupting, completing secondary objectives and killing.
Don’t know if any of you interested of dropping S/D, but i can say that this build is greatly superior to D/P and goes on pair with S/D.

So here are the build
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-cFRV;1VwV0-7-R-Fd0;9;4JJ;0T27-17;546BLok6;2KJG4KJG46Rc – this is somewhat condition clearing build, as you have all your skills and traits, aswell as runes and sigils synergize with each other. (OLD ONE)

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-cFRV;1VwF_07-R-Fd0;9;49T;0T2;017A;446BLJk6;2KJG4KJG46RT -This is what i’m using at, this is more damaging variant, where you are losing some passive and active aspects of build but i find it as awesome as previous one. (I’m using this atm)

Here are the vid, with my playing.
http://youtu.be/5_LMTchZASs#t=0m0s
I have to say that is not my best acting, as i was having ping issues while recording it, but it is good source of understanding how S/P works.
Also this is sPvP, not tPvP, but as i said, i had some ping issues, preventing me from playing on my best, while recording these videos. Basically it is result of two days of playing (almost straight up montage).
Good luck on trying, of you are interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N3X0ECYE-Q&feature=youtu.be
tpvp footage
Top 150 montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biuBVgNKaoA

My recent experience proved that if opposite team have none of these:
-thief
-ele
-SD engineer
– you can take berserker and be successful with it
(If you team lacks of damage ofc, otherwise – soldier is a better choice for soloQ)

I leaving a request for some S/D thief from EU to add me in friends and play together with TS
I think results will be godlike.
But I repeat, that my S/P Build isn’t best killer (primarily because of soldier’s) But that wasn’t the purpose – CC synergy very good with any sort of damage dealing.

Sup dude, how do you like the new balance patch ?)

Excalibur.9748:

gebrechen.5643:

But he is almost right. After warrior thief is still the most versatile and preferable class for wvw. It’s easy to master, it has enough skills to reset or escape a fight and deals enough damage to win the 1v1. It’s still not number 1 in zerg fights but playable.

keyword AFTER WARRIOR.

it’s completely ridonculous. Warrior is best in PvE, awesome/godlike in WvW, and now it’s also good in sPvP/tPvP AND roaming.

We have been REPLACED. My worst fear came true (I don’t QQ for no reason).

Good thing I don’t really play this **** game anymore, or at least thief gets some more buffs to even things out….Current state of the game is complete ****.

did i mention that thiefs are still OP ?
where ? …. backstab and heartseeker spam ! i am getting killed by invisible people too !
they are teleporting ! they are taking my boons, please nerf ! PW is too stong !
list continues
a bird told me that BS will get a bit of nerf (under the name BUG FIX =) )

1.5/10, just because i read the full story
TL, DR version ? spam blackpowder when fighting enemies melee in pve/pvp/wvw
you will win !

i think it was a stealth nerf

1.they overnerfed LS and PW (basically, in pvp/wvw they sux)
2.not sure about basilisk, – there are so many skills with longer stun duration and/or shorter CD, only good via venom share with some friends nearby
3.the destroy trap is a joke, just remove the teleport (and the cast) but keep the stun break and maybe add 1 condition clean
4. venom aura still feels more smaller than untrained banner radius, meh
5.Lotus Poison – still sux

Einlanzer.1627:

The main reason P/D is more functional is that most of its sustained damage comes from Vital Shot and the Sneak Attack (costing zero Initiative), which means you have more freedom to use the #2-#5 skills as you see fit. With P/P, Body Shot has to compete with Unload for Initiative and Unload will almost always win.

simple solution: nerf unload & sneak attack

alucard.2019:

what ante want ?? simple stop playing thief

it seems you already know the answer

Sanduskel.1850:

Maestria of Strat.2974:

So when feedback was requested about this upcoming change, there was quite an uproar over “Sic Em”. It seems the only thing on the table at that moment was the cooldown and effectiveness of “Sic Em”. They were dead set on this new feature.

I hope next time they listen to the player base before tinkering with hardcore/traditional GW2. Instead of spending time on this, focus on enhancements that don’t trample onto the features of other classes.

Weird, just weird. They get paid for this stuff…:-0

I think they DID listen to the player base. Look to the thousands of posts complaining about perma stealth. some of us thieves saw this coming and learned to play other specs.

my new spec: zerker worrior

Krayzic.4860:

Hi, I know this might be a little bit off-topic, but is it really worth it to start a thief now? I’m pretty new to this game (lvl 60 warrior in about a week), and i just decided to start a new thief. At the same time as I’m looking for hints and guidelines at the forum, I can’t help but see a lot of negativity towards the new changes to the thief, like people saying they won’t play them until they’re getting buffed again. So yeah, are there still any strong builds for thief? Is it worth it to start a thief now, or should I go for an other profession?

if you want to cry every “balance” patch, go thief
want and OP class, steamrolling and face rolling ? go warrior/guardian/mesmer etc. the popular choices

go 100% condition duration, problem fixed

Kaizer.7135:

IluvUlongTime

But Warrior is 100x easier to play and is much more effective, they also are immune to nerfs.

it’s over 9000 !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

Resouled.5614:

Indirect nerf to warriors made PW completely worthless. As a S/P thief I almost feel like P/P is even better. Buff this now Anet, don’t wait another 4 months.

what will you do, if they buff it in 4 months ?

Doomdesire.9365:

Higher leveled sPvP dueling is ruled by necro/guard/engi, even pre patch anyways.

even like this, thief is still OP

well, i guess it’s not a total fail patch if it is just the tool tip

heavy nerfs, no consistent buffs on this patch
as expected … thief haters…

RedSpectrum.1975:

My cloak and dagger: 3 stacks of vulnerability, stealth for 4 seconds, regenerate health for 4 seconds, next attack is a critical hit, cure one condition on hit and another after 3 seconds, restore 2 initiative

just 1 word: OP

they are spamming HS. they are OP

Q: Why to roll a thief?

to be a troll abusing the current meta, and to annoy noobs in wvw
& to 1 shot people using backstab

Ryan.8367:

‘very good players should not dominate in 1v1s’.

this is what the community wants !

Zacchary.6183:

The simple solution is to make food that increases player’s skill level.

ahahahaha, impossible, but we can have this:
your critical hits apply revealed for 1 second to the enemy =D

crec.1627:

Ive played gw1 since day 1 and what a balanced game that was. Gw2 is great but the classes at this point are more broken then I have seen ever. Thieves are out of control. Its the only class that makes anyone else feel like a sitting duck when you fight them and no chance. In WvW a thief can take a group of 5 out with no problem. Other classes have to give up say Defence for Major offense. Thief gives up nothing because if you cant see them wtf are you suppose to do. If you go in PvP and spectate any thief, Its auto attack and heartseeker and that’s it. Its pathetic how retarted strong this class is. I have all classes at 80 and spent so much time on each class and thief is out of control. Ranger is my favorite class and they are the most broken class I have seen. It puts shame to the ranger in GW1. Wheres apply poison or fire arrows or any preprations ANYTHING! Thieves need a major major nerf and the other classes need more time and thought cause the more I play gw2 pvp and wvw it really is sad that thief owns everyone. Now ya you can beat a thief but you have to have skills ready for them.Gw2 isn’t suppose to be like this because in gw1 every build could compete with other builds. Tell me how you go from a game with 500 skills for a profession/2nd profession to a game with like 60 skills for one character and its this unbalanced…… As a long time arena net player You guys need to understand that it isn’t just me saying this. Its sooooooo many people on gw complaining about this. And the ones that aren’t are the people auto attacking/heartseeker other classes…… = / This is a really sad turn to gw2 and really needs to be thought over. The living stories are great and all but to be honest it would be nice to take a break from them and have you guys worry about stuff other then that. Stuff that’s more important like the characters of your game. That’s the core of your game and if your characters aren’t balanced theres no reason to play this game…. Its cool your living story is great but whats the point of having these stories if people aren’t happy playing your classes. You guys really need to think this through because coming from gw1 I would never expect gw2 to be so broken like this. At first people from gw1 said gw2 sucked and would never play it. I thought they were crazy but now I understand why they would say that. Gw1 is such a better balanced game then gw2. You guys are the same team and I understand a new game and new ideas but its like everything good from gw1 got thrown out the window…..(ex:templates) It just seems like you guys Buff a class so hardcore and the class you buffed just destroys until you realize man we need to nerf this class again….Wash and repeat and that’s how your classes get so broken. I played gw1 since day1 and was waiting for gw2 since 2008 and was so happy it finally came out but im not happy with how its turned out in the first year when it comes to diversity and the broken classes. In gw1 nobody ever ran the same build and in GW2 its like you force yourself to go down a trait line you really dont want to go down but if you don’t your class blows. I hope you guys take this serious because I don’t only speak for myself. I will continue to play gw2 but if the classes stay this broken then I wont be around much longer as others wont be either.

i agree with this guy , 101%
what’s the TL DR story ?!?

Da Sonic.6521:

Zero.5034:

A thief is a gorilla tactics type of class.

and his “stick” is big and hard, watch your back !
it’s bad if he catches you with your pants down

why i can’t buy ascended items?
why i can’t buy celestial gear ?
what were you thinking putting soulbound and only craftable ?
why the damage is 5% difference ? it’s like a major trait !
i hate you guys
so after 6+ months: a full ascended guy obliterates easly a guy in exotics, good future !
you are drifting more and more from the GW path & manifesto

holunder.4682:

hihey.1075:

If you miss the first hit, you are going to be rooted in place, ready to be burst down.

You dont seem to get the point? Even if you’re rooted, you cannot be bursted since you evade ALL attacks during the ‘channel’ … And even if you miss the first hit, does not automatically let you miss all other hits, which do massive AE cleave dmg. Get your facts straight before lamenting.

i agree, the evasion must be removed, the root can stay !

backstab nerf to 50% damage, problem solved

Acrobatics Trait: XI
Shadowstep away and clean 1 condition when you are disabled (stun, daze, float, knock down, launch, knock back, sink, or fear). This effect cannot occur more than once every 30 seconds.

we have SO many useless utilities and traits that it’s difficult to put them all

1.the only thing the Venoms need is a larger venom aura radius, because not everyone in the party is melee
2.because of the next nerf that comes (conditions can be stacked 5 times max), will make the venoms even more useless than they are now, unless this happens:

Proposal #3: Removing the “per attack” portion in favor of simply adding the individual charges together into a single application. For example, Ice Drake applies 1 sec of Chill on your next 3 attacks becomes Ice Drake applies 3 secs of Chill on your next attack.

the thief whining association club does not care how OP other classes are

stealth = cheating