Guild Wars 2

sicsempertyrannis.3510:

Just to clarify, John, the goal is to make people grind more? Because that’s the net effect here. Take away reliable sources of income and replace them with open world grind.

Here’s the system, simplified:
- remove sources of liquid reward from the game, because there’s no gold sink mechanic (TP sucks up gold)
- drive up demand for materials by “incentivizing” (forcing) acquisition of more expensive equipment in order to complete the newly focused PvE content (ie ascended gear for raids and fractals)
- emphasize content behind paywalls (HoT) by heavily discouraging existing forms of income

The economic side of things definitely fits the new grind philosophy of GW2. From a gameplay perspective, the Mastery system is built to force grind to reduce the rate of content consumption. How does that work?
- only 4 maps, if players can access the content immediately they will blow through the entire expansion in less than a month
- push a lock-out system that requires heavy grind to move to new parts of each map
- level cap remains fixed at 80, but access to the new zones is effectively blocked to people who do not grind out the “new” levels in HoT

Grind is the future for everything in this game.

They go F2P and slowly convert to every other NCSoft cash grab. I’ve spent 10 years of my life happily sticking to this franchise, praising them, and spreading word about how awesome this company and their games are. But this past year has been brutal. I don’t know what changed internally, but it’s disappointment after disappointment. I feel tricked, duped, and cheated.

Is your intention to shift the gold away from dungeons into fractals above 50 that require masteries? This seems like a great way to pressure players into buying the expansion.

Wanna farm gold in an optimal way!? Better grab that wallet and purchase HoT!

Why should people have to switch off of thief? If I like thief I’m going to queue thief and I’m not going to swap. How many times have you told an ele to swap? Necro? Warrior? Engi? Chances are, you haven’t. This horse kitten about thief shouldn’t be able to 1v1 needs to end. Ele/Mesmer roams almost as fast as thief, but they can still fight. Using your logic, we should strip all of mesmer and eles mobility, since they are great fighters.

Don’t swap from thief. Ever. Every time your team loses due to double thief, smear it in your teammates face. Because “thief is fine” right?

Maugetarr.6823:

Okie dokie, suggestion:

Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very flashy before being locked into aftercast frames.
They’re mediocre in one-on-one combat using their shortbow, shadowstep, and the ability to stealth to run away once they are overcome by their enemies.

Nailed it.

OP what are you even trying to say?

Tao.5096:

Anet is becoming more and more NCSoft like.

Keep going, then even f2p won’t save you.

I made a post about this on the reddit and got downvoted into oblivion. Followed by hate mail defending the company and talking about how amazing they are etc etc.

Glad I’m not the only sane person who sees this.

Oh look! The sword change that we’ve wanted forever is going to another profession. How unexpected and totally shocking.

Threemoreyears

Arken.3725:

Drennon: The hero we need and deserve!

Haha thanks. I know you and I both share similar concerns when it comes to this class. I really want to be more constructive with my personal feedback, but it’s discouraging when people are so content and willing to accept guardian as is.

Obtena.7952:

I think the only point being missed here is that this is a bug that should be fixed. There is never a reason to keep a bug because of how it benefits someone. That’s just silly.

Bugs should be fixed, but at least bump on the damage coefficient. I’m not asking for the bug to stay. I even admitted that the damage was over the top. However, in its unbroken state, it just is not worth taking.

Obtena.7952:

Drennon.7190:

Obtena.7952:

Drennon.7190:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Nike.2631:

I’m pretty sure I just said I can’t yet. But I expect this to be an entirely different conversation by New Year’s Day .

Good point. Its just like all the builds made with spirit weap… Wait I mean signe…. Well I’m sure these useless traps will become less useless with time. Right guys? Guys…..

Exactly. I wish I had Nike’s optimism, but time and time again, it’s been proven that we will only ever play meditations or shouts.

Yeah, especially if people don’t recognize how they need to take a hit before we can get other nice things to play with. People can’t complain they ONLY have medi to play with if they don’t support equalization of the skills.

Or simply add sustain traits for those utilies. I don’t know why you’re so hellbent on nerfing our only semi viable power build. This is guardian and this is arenanet. If monks focus was nerfed, we would go months or years before they made valuable traits that put us back in to viable burst roll.

I’m not going to speculate on the worst case scenario you could think of if medi got nerfed … that doesn’t change the fact that nice things are being HELD BACK because they can’t give us more paired with medi without being THIS side of OPed.

You started a thread complaining they were fixing bugs that you seem to have no problem campaigning shouldn’t be fixed. Not sure what’s worse … complaining you only have medi to play with or wanting to keep bugged skills to unfairly PWN everyone with. Seems to me you’re just afraid of change. Meta is going to change anyways … it’s going to be a hard road when you realize you can’t sit on your precious medi build and broken skills any more.

Because Medi is all we have for offense! You want Medi to be nerfed because you actually believe that this will lead to guardian receiving fixes. Anyone who has looked at Guardians track record will know that they RARELY buff or fix anything. It took THREE YEARS for them to listen to us and fix shield. You are literally asking them to take away our only semi viable offensive traits/utilities. It’s not like meditations are even take strong in the current meta. Sure some Medi guards see tournament play, but how many of those teams are actually taking first or second place? It doesn’t happen because there are better professions. We are simply clinging to our most viable offensive trait and you want to take that away.

Nike.2631:

That’s three buttons . And a fourth (burn heal for adrenaline) or a lot of hits beforehand.

You’re missing the point. It seems the power creep is only acceptable when it’s other classes. I give Karl credit, it really seems like he wants DH, tempest, and DD to be balanced. Meanwhile other elites are running wild and it’s written off as L2P or whatever other excuse people cling to. DH has ONE high burst trap, that you sacrifice sustain for, and it’s quickly fixed.

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Yes because having a one hit kill button is so balanced.
Come on guys be serious.

Unblockable Killshot/Gun Flame.

Obtena.7952:

Drennon.7190:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Nike.2631:

I’m pretty sure I just said I can’t yet. But I expect this to be an entirely different conversation by New Year’s Day .

Good point. Its just like all the builds made with spirit weap… Wait I mean signe…. Well I’m sure these useless traps will become less useless with time. Right guys? Guys…..

Exactly. I wish I had Nike’s optimism, but time and time again, it’s been proven that we will only ever play meditations or shouts.

Yeah, especially if people don’t recognize how they need to take a hit before we can get other nice things to play with. People can’t complain they ONLY have medi to play with if they don’t support equalization of the skills.

Or simply add sustain traits for those utilies. I don’t know why you’re so hellbent on nerfing our only semi viable power build. This is guardian and this is arenanet. If monks focus was nerfed, we would go months or years before they made valuable traits that put us back in to viable burst roll.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Nike.2631:

I’m pretty sure I just said I can’t yet. But I expect this to be an entirely different conversation by New Year’s Day .

Good point. Its just like all the builds made with spirit weap… Wait I mean signe…. Well I’m sure these useless traps will become less useless with time. Right guys? Guys…..

Exactly. I wish I had Nike’s optimism, but time and time again, it’s been proven that we will only ever play meditations or shouts.

+1. Dodging was supposed to be the most important defensive tool. Pile on the current amount of flashy effects and vision blocking abilities; dodging quickly becomes RNG.

Nike.2631:

Drennon.7190:

What will you slot it over?

And that right there says everything about why you’re not prospering with Dragonhunter. Because you’re not making a Dragonhunter at all, you’re trying to tweak a Guardian build you’re already attached to.

Back way up. Look at your new toolset with fresh eyes. Begin again.

One of the things about being able to fight from range or making meleeing with you an unattractive proposition with mid-fight trap drops is you don’t need or even want the same tools you carry on a medi-Guard.

Will Dragonhunter builds be as potent in the first month of refinement as a build that’s been polished for years? It had better NOT be, because that’s just nuts both as an expectation and as really crap design work. But, give it three months and you’re gonna see both the play-experience and the build-craft mesh to generate some real threats on the field, threats that will kick you’re backside if you try to counter them like every Guard with a bow is just a kitten medi-guard.

Sorry I don’t have a complete playstyle to lay out in front of you, yet. The class is still in flux and the DH fans have only had six days compared to 2+ years. But keep an open mind. You’ll be fighting against and alongside the real deal very soon.

That all sounds wonderful and great, but in an sPvP environment, traps are outclassed by other utilities due to long cooldowns and sustain issues. 5 Aegis fragments sounds great until you’re in a team fight and your 13k or 17k health, (depending on build), melts away because you wanted to slot traps over utilities that provide self sustain.

You keep talking like we have options outside of Monks Focus and Altruistic healing, but provide nothing to support it.

Nike.2631:

Drennon.7190:

Nike.2631:

Like that trap isn’t excellent without the triple damage bug.

RIP any sense of proportion or lack of melodrama the OP had.

Can you honestly say that you will slot it in a competitive pvp environment?

I highly doubt it, but I’m sure you will say “yes” regardless.

Yes, of course I will, because 5 on-demand aegis is crazy powerful in the hands of a Guard/DH. The un-bugged trap is still one of the most powerful tools in the DH kitten nal.

I highly doubt you recognize that, but I’m sure you will say “I know better than you” regardless.

What will you slot it over? If you try to do an offensive Shattered Aegis type build, you’re going to have to sacrifice a lot of sustain by losing either virtues or valor. Maybe you have an idea for a DH Bunker build, but I don’t see any Bunker build being better than the current valor, honor, virtues. But please inform me on what you have tested or theory this trap into. I really want to know. Because as of right now, I don’t see it being better than the typical meditations or shouts.

Harbinger.8637:

It was obvious FoF wasn’t working as intended. Depending on the target the trap would hit for around 2k-4k, now times that by two or three. It’s not balanced and any sane person should agree. It’ll still be a good trap even without this bug.

I do agree that it’s damage was over the top, but going down to one hit, with that same damage coefficient, just does not seem worth the long cooldown anymore. There are other, more useful traits.

Arken.3725:

I reported it as well. I mean it sucks to see it nerfed but at the same time, having something that’s similar to Smite Condition dmg 3x is a bit much.

I agree. I was hoping that the third hit was the bug and the second hit was intended. The second hit at least made me want to slot it over smite condition.

Nike.2631:

Like that trap isn’t excellent without the triple damage bug.

RIP any sense of proportion or lack of melodrama the OP had.

Can you honestly say that you will slot it in a competitive pvp environment?

I highly doubt it, but I’m sure you will say “yes” regardless.

This trap was the only reason I could beat Chronomancers with a 50/50 success rate.

Fragments of Faith, it was real.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Dragon-hunter-traps-instakill-thieves/first#post5585408

Edit Thanks for telling thieves before us btw T_T

glaphen.5230:

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Your build made me vomit.

Katamaranthine.4679:

Here’s the thing, though: Anet doesn’t care.

They’re too busy reinventing the wheel.

No one seems to notice that there was ZERO reason to take a thief into the new raid. Granted it’s only the beta for one fight; it’s still worrisome.

How does nerfing meditations make other builds more viable? Medi isn’t even meta anymore. DPS guardian is out classed in team comps. If Medi gets nerfed, everything else will still be trash. We’ll go from one viable power build to none. My thumb is my most useful finger. Better cut it off , so the the rest are valuable by comparison!

Obtena.7952:

He’s right actually … if you want to reduce the dependence on medi (i.e., increase the value of other builds), it needs a nerf so other tools can have love. Of course, no one will admit or want that because they can’t see themselves playing anything BUT medi builds, but that’s what it is.

You’re logic is flawed. You want to nerf the only semi viable power build, so that other builds “get love.” Instead of asking for fixes and buffs to the useless traits/utilities, you want to nerf our only viable (not even optimal) power build. Wow…

That won’t change anything. poor attrmpt

From reading the description, it looks like the damage is only supposed to hit once. It’s currently hitting up to three times on a single target for me. I’ve had it hit for up to 14k combined on squishy targets. Not to shoot myself in the foot, but this trap is really good.

Not sure why no one else is talking about this.

Can’t say I’ll ever use traps in pvp. We are absolute stuck taking either monks focus or altruistic healing if we want to survive. Unless a trait comes out to provide “heal on trap activation,” then we cannot use them.

Also, just as a touch of wishful thinking, could we maybe get a 1second evade frame on Wings of Resolve? Those wings SCREAM, “cc me!”

The reduced damage on Hunter’s Fortification is kinda butt, but the condi clear is awesome. I can actually use Glacial Heart.

I just had an animation bug, where my character simply raised the hammer really high and smashed it into the ground. The telegraph was obvious, but the “jump” in the animation was not there.

If this was done, I wonder if it would solve the conflict between the current Judge’s Intervention and Mighty Blow.

Might Blow’s telegraph will still be obvious and Judge’s Intervention is still not being used mid-air.

WIN WIN BOIS

edit** Hunter’s Fortification seems to be working really well. I’ve been actually able to take Glacial Heart. Please bring on the hambow with a JI fix.

MAN.9046:

why am i not getting this? my JI+might blows ALWAYS land :/

Because you’re probably doing it at the beginning of that animation, rather than the middle. It used to be used in the middle to help with landing the damage, since might blow is so ridiculously telegraphed.

Due to our low health pool, no builds will exist other than Meditation / Shout builds. (I count burn as a medi build.) We cannot survive with out the valor line. We cannot survive without either Altruistic healing or Monk’s focus. This also a reason why traps will never see pvp play.

Please fix this!

Please Please Please fix the interaction between judge’s intervention and mighty blow. Hammer was already underwhelming with the glacial heart move, this change pushes it either further towards sub optimal. Leap of Faith also is also interacting poorly, but it’s no where near crippling as mighty blow/judge’s intervention.

Since the last patch I have been having an issue with really bad skill lag. Sometimes the skills are delayed and sometimes they simple do not go off after being pressed. I am occasionally receiving rubber banding as well.

Not sure if it is related, but when the skill lag starts, I start hearing audio from the other side of the map. I can hear peoples skills and character voices from people that are no where near me.

My ping since averaging 80, so I don’t think it is a ping issue. I play a few other games and I am not having lag issues there. So I don’t think something is bonked with my machine.

Anyone else experiencing this?

wow the sounds of dreamer are TERRIBLE now .

Arken.3725:

Thanks Greek even though that sounds like sarcasm! Apparently Drennon has an agenda against me. If he feels so inclined, maybe he should try his hand to see how good he really is. Peace!

Edit: I say Bestbear, dude is a legend.

No agenda. Simply pointing out the obvious. I’ve never claimed to be top tier, but I’ll gladly duel you. Win or lose, you’re still not the best, not even top 10. I just find it so amusing that you’ve some how come to the conclusion that you’re a top tier guardian.

LOL @ Arken…. you’re joking right?

NA either Sunfish or Booms (switch the M & the B. This word filter is extreme)
EU.. idk probably keksmuffin aka bullet punch

tapdatmouse is average at best. I don’t consider myself good, yet I still beat him every time we’ve dueled.

It blows my mind that other professions still think that thief is some unstoppable force from 2012. Thief is a class that is drowning and other players are holding our head under water. Why? Because this doesn’t effect their class. The more thief is nerfed, the stronger their class becomes.

So how can we effect these players in a way that would finally show them that we need help?

Queue ranked on only your thieves and do not swap classes. 2 thieves! 3 thieves! 5 thieves! It don’t matter. Face it ranked means nothing right now. The leaderboard is turned off and leagues haven’t began. Eventually these players will be tired of losing because they have multiple thieves and will actually want change.

…or this could just be wishful thinking and people will still cry, “thief OP!”

Random Weird Guy.3528:

1. Play a game of ranked PvP
2. Choose a random player from your match up. Ask them for a duel in an empty arena.
3. You must play the meta Bunker Guard spec.
Can guarantee that you will not win any of your matchups (except a really badly played zerker).
Omg buff bunker guardian pls.

You’re comparing one build to an ENTIRE class. Good job.

I love this games engine, combat system, and structure. However, corporate greed, Devs without passion, and increasingly poor decision making have finally done it for me. Guild Wars was my first MMO and I’ve clung to this company for over 10 years. I’ve spent thousands of dollars on their products and literally YEARS of combined hours playing and verbally promoting their game to friends, family, etc.

I don’t know where their passion went, but it’s gone. It’ll be a while before I find another game to fill the void, but it will eventually happen.

Saiyan.1704:

zinkz.7045:

lilz shorty.1879:

We have one specific viable spec in PvP and WvW, and what do they do to the elite? Nerf it? LOL…….

Ahh, poor guards, only one viable spec in WvW, for a class that has been both a requirement and the most numerous for 3 years, I am sure engies, rangers, mesmer, etc are crying tears for you.

How about PvP, well lets see, for nearly two years every single team had a bunker guard, and since then decent representation with medi, then more bunker and condi build, again I am sure those who play classes who have spent huge periods of time as poorly represented like ranger, necro, mesmer, etc are shedding tears for your perceived plight.

What next, elementalists moaning?

Trust me, OP doesn’t represent the Guard community.

Good thing the solo queue hero is a better representation of the Guardian community than one who has actually played top tier pvp….

So many times I’ve heard, “our team has the thief. we lost.”

I do think GW2 is the “best” in terms of potential, but to see my 2 favorite classes be in the hands of someone with absolutely no passion for them, is heartbreaking. I keep setting myself up for disappointment. After three years, I just don’t feel like anything will ever change.

Thanks for the support bois. I’ve been trying Wildstar and B&S. Wildstar feels dead, but maybe F2P will fix that. I’ve been playing on B&S Taiwan and it feels really active and balanced. China servers are P2W, while Taiwan isn’t. Hopefully the NA cash shop isn’t P2W.

Sign me up. I really do love this game, but as a thief/guardian, I’m so discouraged. None of the other classes interest me and this is so disheartening. I’ve been MMORPG shopping and I really hope that something else can grab my interested. I feel like one of those women in violent relationship. "Anet only hits me because he loves me :’( "