Guild Wars 2

More people are watching Tera right now than GW2. I know twitch viewers aren’t everything, but it really does have a large influence on people trying/returning to the game. I logged on for the first time in a month and pretty much my friends list was all offline. Where as December there was ~20 of those people online at any given moment. Since HoT, this game as gone down the toilet. PvE is a giant grind. Masteries, map meta events, and ascended armor require a painful amount of repeating stale can content. PvP was plagued with crazy power creep, poor balance, and an easily exploitable league system. WvW… Where do I even begin?

Oh and let’s not forget the content that I paid for and still haven’t received.
-missing raid wings
-legendary armor
-WvW overhaul
-complete set of new legendary weapons

Dvantaman.3617:

lol last month was like..
Blade and Soul is coming.. not that much happened

BnS has more twitch viewers and players. Anet killed my favorite game. People are leaving by the masses, you just don’t feel it because of the megaservers.

I haven’t played in weeks. Came back to test the changes; game is still bad.
This was my favorite game and I wish it still was.

The upside is, I have started playing different games and have been having a lot of fun. So thank you Anet for introducing me to BnS and HoTS. I saw Hugh playing Destroyer on BnS last night. Your own devs are even jumping ship for BnS haahhahaha

No ones runs shadow arts anymore and the moment speed in stealth already existed under a different trait.

tl;dr OP is ruhtard

Have you seen the devs play? They’re not very skilled. DH stomps bad players, but is simple to counter if you’re good. I really think they’re trying to balance based on their low skill level rather than high tier players.

Ehh this just makes it more of a grind than it already is. Nothing here really indicates anymore skill than our current system.

People start whining as soon as they see me on thief or shatter mes. My new hobby is tanking the match when some one starts whining before the match starts. Since I’m legend, I often get diamond players. I love losing them pips for trying to tell me what to play.

stream not worth watching.

I was watching a chinese stream and I noticed that players in a squad have a special icon as well as purple name plates. Any word on NA/EU receiving anything like this?

Low quality picture attached.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Drennon.7190:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Drennon.7190:

I dont believe anyone thinks it’s going to “ruin gw2.” However, I am one of the people who will be moving to it. My reasons being.

-Competitive 1v1 (don’t have to rely on 4 other people)
-Frequent balance
-An established esports presence in other counties.
-Active combat. (ie passives aren’t running wild like gw2)
-Condis (dots) are not a massive source of damage

and my #1 reason..
-No more Arena Net!

I’ve said this a while back, and I’ll say it again.
BnS is made by the people over ArenaNet, NCSoft.

If you think ANet is incompetent, then surely you’d think their managing entity is also incompetent. Else they would’ve forced some changes around here by now, right?

This is what I don’t understand with the ANet bashers.

And “Oh it’s established in Korea”.

So was Aion. Anyone here playing that?
How about Maplestory?

Should I go on, or are we about done?

What are you trying to prove to me? I’m moving to a game that I already know I enjoy on Taiwan servers.

NCsoft has put out several games that I enjoyed. Aion, Lineage, Wildstar, etc. I don’t think NCsoft is incompetent, but I do think Mike O’Brien is an idiot and ruining my once favorite game.

Whether you like it or not, Blade and Soul already has far more success in competitive pvp then this kitten show will ever achieve.

I’m glad you mentioned 3 games that died very rapidly.
Enjoy having the same thing happen in BnS I suppose. If it even takes off in NA.

I enjoyed playing all of those, which is more than I can say for this game right now. BnS has been alive and well since 2012. not sure why you think its going to die quickly here.

My fun in a game isn’t dependent upon a huge population. I’m sure there will be a competitive group, which is all i will need to be happier than i am here.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Drennon.7190:

I dont believe anyone thinks it’s going to “ruin gw2.” However, I am one of the people who will be moving to it. My reasons being.

-Competitive 1v1 (don’t have to rely on 4 other people)
-Frequent balance
-An established esports presence in other counties.
-Active combat. (ie passives aren’t running wild like gw2)
-Condis (dots) are not a massive source of damage

and my #1 reason..
-No more Arena Net!

I’ve said this a while back, and I’ll say it again.
BnS is made by the people over ArenaNet, NCSoft.

If you think ANet is incompetent, then surely you’d think their managing entity is also incompetent. Else they would’ve forced some changes around here by now, right?

This is what I don’t understand with the ANet bashers.

And “Oh it’s established in Korea”.

So was Aion. Anyone here playing that?
How about Maplestory?

Should I go on, or are we about done?

What are you trying to prove to me? I’m moving to a game that I already know I enjoy on Taiwan servers.

NCsoft has put out several games that I enjoyed. Aion, Lineage, Wildstar, etc. I don’t think NCsoft is incompetent, but I do think Mike O’Brien is an idiot and ruining my once favorite game.

Whether you like it or not, Blade and Soul already has far more success in competitive pvp then this kitten show will ever achieve.

morrolan.9608:

Drennon.7190:

and my #1 reason..
-No more Arena Net!

Yabbut NCSoft.

I don’t have an issue with NCSoft. I have an issue with Mike O’brien and his studio.

Cynz.9437:

As isaid in other thread, BnS is not GW2 killer. Anet killed GW2 themself. People are not leaving because of new shiney but because gw2 simply sucks atm and there is no hope due to Anet history.

Burtnik.5218:

They will come back, like they came back from Wildstar that was supposed to destroy gw2 too. Oh and ESO and the another sub korean game full of botters that i dont even remember how it was called..what else was there?

Fact is, gw2 sux atm but theres nothing better on market and they know it..

These were games that were not yet released. B&S is already established. Im sure some people will come back, but I really think you highly overvalue GW2. There is a reason that most gamers consider GW2 a giant pvp joke.

I dont believe anyone thinks it’s going to “ruin gw2.” However, I am one of the people who will be moving to it. My reasons being.

-Competitive 1v1 (don’t have to rely on 4 other people)
-Frequent balance
-An established esports presence in other counties.
-Active combat. (ie passives aren’t running wild like gw2)
-Condis (dots) are not a massive source of damage

and my #1 reason..
-No more Arena Net!

I’m patiently waiting for BnS. I’ve played on Taiwan/NA beta and alpha and the game is enjoyable for me and what I like. In the mean time I’ve been playing Heroes of the Storm and have been having an absolute blast.

I’ve been with the GW franchise for over a decade and I just cannot agree with how they run the company anymore. I don’t regret the thousands of hours and thousands of dollars I’ve spent on various things, but it is time for me to go.

I don’t care about a pip. Tell me to re roll classes before match starts and I’ll throw the game.

Ithilwen.1529:

I agree DH traps are out of control and need a fix. It shouldn’t be possible to kill me instantly on stepping unto a point.

If you’re insta dying to traps, it’s a l2p issue.

Ginaz.3206:

You were never very good. Look at your stats. Get better.

The current system is terrible, but you have a lot of improving to do.

Screenshot yours and post them.

Assassin. It plays like how I hoped thief would. High risk, but the pay off is very high reward.

Probably KFM alt, cuz fist weapons yo.

sephiroth.4217:

I thought it was because of the AoE and traps…

Still yet to see a thief get on point without being instantly killed by traps.

This is a gross exaggeration and you know it. I personally have yet to get instagibbed by traps. Walking on to a node, you have more than enough time to react to them. The only time I’ve died to traps on a thief is when I’ve got too confident in a fight.

So I just experienced a semi frustrating match and I’m trying to better understand the system. After fighting 4 very skilled/top tier players (+ a “mmr weight”), my group lost 2 pips.

I understand that we were completely out played, but what I do not understand is how 1 bad player on a team of Top tier players, made the system think that we had a 60-99% chance of winning.

Can someone better explain the weight of MMR combined with league tier?

Pip Win / Loss Algorithm
When matchmaking determines you have a 60-79% chance to win
Your team loses and scores 0-299 points -2 pip
Your team loses and scores 300-499 points -1 pip
Your team wins +1 pip
When matchmaking determines you have a 80-99% chance to win
Your team loses and scores 0-199 points -3 pip
Your team loses and scores 200-299 points -2 pip
Your team loses and scores 300-499 points -1 pip
Your team wins +1 pip

My queue. Rubies + Sapphires.
Their team. Diamond + Rubies + an amber to tank.

Both teams are a five queue.

Won by 200 in ranked. no pip.

GG

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

I really don’t believe 2 mesmer has 100% distortion time.

If they did, they could run a shatter build and burst you from safety?
If they did, it would be abused in PvE constantly.

How does a lord take 0 damage for 3 minutes?

The few small amounts of damage that popped on him was instantly rehealed by the near by tempest.

Juba.8406:

I really doubt that, i dont see how its gonna work in Stronghold.

I went -3 minutes into timer as both teams sat in lord room.

Team A lord took 0 damage due to double bunk mes
Team B didn’t die while trying to kill said lord.

Eventually team B walked out of lord room and said “kitten it.”

Match finally ended.

Well say good bye to queuing stronghold for bunker mesmer relief. There is actually a Stronghold Meta forming.

Double Bunker mesmer! Watch as both teams stall each other into the NEGATIVE TIMER because neither teams lord can or will ever die!

A true battle of patience!

ehh mesmer is still unkillable. it’s still the most annoying thing in the game to fight.

Photinous.4628:

Vapour.7348:

There is nothing fun about this game anymore.

Jourdelune.7456:

Drennon.7190:

Morwath.9817:

Drennon.7190:

Morwath.9817:

So… you want art designers to replace devs?

Sure! They can’t kitten it up more than our current ones have.

And what they will do here?
Redesign Svarnir and Cheftain or Guild Lord and his bodyguards outfits?

You can white knight all you want, but our current devs are trash at their jobs. At least they’re gemstore team is consistent. They could probably do a better job balancing and hot fixing.

Are you so new to pvp to not be able to adapt to new meta?

Yeah, it’s not the greatest meta, Anet did kill variety with the specialization patch (removing attribute from trait line, forcing 3 line destroying build that work on 4 and removing traits that was making build good enough to compete versus meta) but you have counter to all build at this page: www.metabattle.com

Tonight, Mallyx condies invulnerability will die, the build will see less play over ESL and some DH will come back on the scene.

Nothing is perfect, but at least we have something to do while they fix it.

New to PvP? No I’ve been with the franchise for 10 years. I has a hall of heroes junkie but in gw1 days. However, their current devs compared to the old, are terrible.

Glad to see mallyx nerfed, but they’re poor attempt at Mesmer is laughable. Not to mention a large percentage of these “balance changes” are actually bug fixes.

Morwath.9817:

Drennon.7190:

Morwath.9817:

So… you want art designers to replace devs?

Sure! They can’t kitten it up more than our current ones have.

And what they will do here?
Redesign Svarnir and Cheftain or Guild Lord and his bodyguards outfits?

You can white knight all you want, but our current devs are trash at their jobs. At least they’re gemstore team is consistent. They could probably do a better job balancing and hot fixing.

Morwath.9817:

So… you want art designers to replace devs?

Sure! They can’t kitten it up more than our current ones have.

They manage to kitten out new content every two weeks. How about letting them work on balance. They seem like the most productive lot at your studio.

They have your $50. They don’t care anymore.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Nos still played Reaper, right?

-did not watch due to being at work-

Nos is on bunker mesmer.

Glad to see you guys gave into double mes / double rev.

Edit: I wasn’t being sarcastic. I mean it.

twhite.9310:

Good, saved me the time of watching a match that was going nowhere.

Sarevok.2638:

Drennon.7190:

Sarevok.2638:

Can we stop now?

Sure. As soon as a real balance patch occurs. Not this kitten poor attempt to look like they are trying.

Someone didn’t watch today.

Those “balance changes” that were announced today won’t change anything. You’re delusional if you think that those will make any difference.

Sarevok.2638:

Can we stop now?

Sure. As soon as a real balance patch occurs. Not this kitten poor attempt to look like they are trying.

Well, I guess it’s better than nothing. Capping on well of pregog getting skipped over is questionable though.

I always think of this picture when a Dev post.

So, it’s 07:30PM pst on a Sunday Night and I decided to look at what’s happening on Twitch. Let’s compare game viewers.

-Guild Wars is sitting at ~325 viewers.

-Warframe (a f2p 3rd person PvE shooter)~ 730 viewers.
-Vainglory (iphone/ipad moba) ~360 viewers.
-Summoner’s War (iphone game) ~500 viewers.
-Blade and Soul (f2p mmo. beta for NA live for Korea) ~1500 viewers.

Now, why does any of this matter?

Anyone paying attention to the Devs will know that Anet really really wants wants GW2 to be e-sports and wants the pro leagues to push GW further into that direction. In fact a huge amount of money is even being offered as an incentive to lure more players into the game. This sounds wonderful, but in reality they have only managed to push the game further from that goal.

How have the managed to further distance themselves from this goal? Here is simplified list.

• Empty promises and over-hype.
  -When the Pro Leagues were announced, there were post that stated that balance was going to be a HUGE priority and that frequent balance patches would take place. When in reality, HoT was released followed by knee jerk hot fixes, followed by nothing. We currently have a terrible meta with nothing being done about it. The only info we have received was a indirect apology on a third party forum.

• Silent Devs
  -First of all, I do not blame the Devs for their silence. I blame the policy makers that are forcing them to be quit and not allowing them to speak about anything happening internally. At the moment, we literally have no idea what they are thinking or if they think if it needs changed. Hot-fixes have stopped and we do not know if anything new will be coming.

• Easily Manipulated Leagues.
  -Since day one, leagues have been manipulated. Here are some examples: Tanking MMR by losing, Tanking MMR by taking low MMR players with you, creating multiple guild teams to flood the leader board, and win trading. The current league system screams of poor implementation and being pushed out to fit a deadline.

• Pro Teams Unprofessionalism
  -Any one on NA knows what I’m referring too. PZ and The Abjured completely cluttered the Guild Challenger Board. The top 25 spots are filled with them making teams over and over. What this does it push ~10 other potential teams out of gold ranking. Players who would be gold are now silver. This demoralized players who want to see their names up there, but know that they cannot compete with the Pro League players. These same teams have also been spotted grabbing random pugs to tank their MMR to receive faster matches and to farm pugs. These are supposed to be our community leaders, but they’re only encouraging other players to manipulate their way up the ladder.

• People DO NOT want to watch this meta.
  -A big part of “E-sports” is the viewers that the game draws. Currently more people are watching cell-phone games then GW2. This meta is so devastating and slow pace, that it becomes very unentertaining. In fact the most exciting part about gw2 is the current drama that occurs in twitch chat. Not to mention, the big name players are constantly commenting on how bad the game is. For example, let’s talk about O-Eggs. Love him or hate him, this guy is a rockstar to the community. People love to watch him and people love to listen. However, watching him recently and listening to him really shows players how bad the meta is. If a new player heard him talking, they would quickly be demoralized and not want to waste their time with this game. Streamers are not happy which translates to viewers not being happy.

This post is very scatter brained and full of poor grammar, but I really do want this game to improve. As a 10 year customer, I can only see this game going down him. I don’t know who is making the decisions for the company right now, but they need to pull their head out of the sand and let someone else make choices.

+1
Waste of time here.

the #3 Leaderboard team on NA is running the tag [Nigr].

Safe to say anet is turning a blind eye to everything in sPvP now. From balance, to manipulation, to open racism.

Can’t wait to see the devs acting confused when this game dies.

Game is trash and it will only get worse. This has been proven after each patch.

I wish they would remove personal score. I don’t know how people are still confusing it with performance.

Shylock.4653:

Drennon.7190:

Not as bad, but kinda shocked I lost a pip for this.

May I ask you why?

Two full premades, not much league difference but huge score difference.

5 mid tier players vs 5 pro league players. League difference might not be large, but MMR has to be.

Not as bad, but kinda shocked I lost a pip for this.

Asato.5479:

Drennon.7190:

Not even a hotfix. Forum is silent. Anet refuses to admit they’re ever wrong and refuse to balance before 2016.

They are stubborn and lazy.

Why are we still supporting them?
Why are we still hoping that things would change?

Because we’re like drug addicts chasing that first PvP high. But it will never return.

Not even a hotfix. Forum is silent. Anet refuses to admit they’re ever wrong and refuse to balance before 2016.

It’s not even the leagues. It’s the fact that, if you want to be successful in solo, you need to either play Bunker Mes, Condi Rev, or Tempest. Playing either of my two favorite classes is basically saying, “Yeah i dont expect to ever win a match up.”