Guild Wars 2

Yes you totally can…. However drop sharpened edges, take companions might instead since that bleed will be 100% worthless to you, make sure you keep them poisoned constantly to keep their healing at a minimum, it’ll be a long fight (if they’re any good) but totally winnable.

I’ve been wanting evolutions since they announced we’d have them!! (And then took them back ), I’d LOVE to be able to turn my Fern Hound into a Dire Fernhound and turn Balgera into a Hearty Jaguar.

Burnfall.9573:

Durzlla.6295:

Just because you suck at playing ranger now that you can’t use the most passive build in existence to carry you to victory doesn’t mean the rest of us became bad.

I’ve been doing just fine. Seeing as how, you know, I haven’t been using a kittening spirit build for god knows how long.

Where in “ranger class is not good anymore” made you label him/her for being a “suck player”?

I don’t see it nor anybody else except you.

Lastly,

Just because you don’t use spirit build doesn’t Justify you to Parade ‘just fine’ player you are as Ranger"

In other word, as long Arena.net nerf builds that aren’t "yours’, is “fine and dandy” for you and make the players who played those builds as “suck” players.

Well,

That’s Unjustified and Bias to the Ranger community as a whole.

Uh well seeing as he’s gotta be a bad player to think rangers are bad, there’s this magical build we’ve had from the beginning known as the Trap Build that is VERY strong in this meta still and hasn’t been touched by buffs or nerfs since the game was launched.

Then there’s the Spirit ranger, who is STILL useful, you can’t just play him how you normally do, gotta be more tactical on when you use your spirits than just going “LOLOLOLO” and rolling your face on the keyboard.

And then you know, there’s still the BM bunker build which is a good BUNKER build, is it going to pump out damage? kitten no, but no bunkers really do, just drop the cats and take moas, bam you have so much survivability on your little point (where you can’t possibly be out of range of your moas heal) and have a nice cone daze (possibly two) or aoe protection, as well as AoE vigor.

Then you can also go with a roaming build (like a survival build), which is always useful because it allows you to backcap, and assist allies.

In other words, you have NO kittening idea what you’re talking about, and the spirit master build NEEDED a nerf it was so stupidly passive that i swear to god my dog would be able to play that build and do well if i turned Auto Attack on for him. The ONLY way spirits were nerfed was that you can’t have 100% uptime, other than that it was a buff.

Learn to play before you go around spouting garbage about how a profession isn’t viable in tournies.

Just because you suck at playing ranger now that you can’t use the most passive build in existence to carry you to victory doesn’t mean the rest of us became bad.

I’ve been doing just fine. Seeing as how, you know, I haven’t been using a kittening spirit build for god knows how long.

Dirame.8521:

Durzlla.6295:

waka.9826:

showatt.9413:

waka.9826:

showatt.9413:

Atherakhia.4086:

Just change F1 to allow the pet to attack and recall.
Make it so F2 skills actually worked when requested.
Make F3 the secondary skill for each pet and allow players to set it to auto-cast so if ANet is serious about this somehow being too complicated, players can leave it on auto cast and nothing would change.

i agree f2 skill needs to work when requested.
Allowing players to determine when to cast the 2ndary skill of pets is just asking for ranger buff. And the ability to autocast it sounds pretty OP if you wanna know the truth.

Asking to be able to use our own skills is asking for a buff? Okay then engineer kits should be RNG as well, from now on you cannot choose which 1-5 skill you can use in kits, the game will choose for you. Fair play right.

Engineer isn’t using an AI pet. You’re asking the ability to decide when your pet should deal a secondary damage (with effect), in addition to the f2 skill, while essentially keeping the pet’s ability to deal damage on their own. Not to mention you have two pets to switch between.

Surely you can see this is very different to weapon kit?

You honestly think this is going to create balance issues for rangers? Oh please lol.

Yes, it WOULD be a huge balance issue, we could then get off triple blast finishers, have very on demand CC (all of which is hard CC) be able to bring 2 on demand AoE 3.5k heals, AoE 3s KD, etc etc. it’d be absolutely broken and the pet skills would have to be nerfed TO THE GROUND, and I’d MUCH rather have little control over it rather than have it nerfed…

First off, your 3sec knockdown has a 3 second castime (if not 2) and is easily avoided by strafing, your 3.5K heals those will definitely be nerfed for sure but everything else? Everything else seems fine. Triple blast finishers isn’t anything really. Engineers can do 6 or more in a row.

I could already do a 4 second KD (sometimes I make it 5 with my pig or 7s CC with a KD into a fear with the wolf then swap to pig) without direct control of the pet, having to not play Ai tricks and actually get a use out of MOMENT OF CLARITY would actually be a nice change of pace.

The KD was buffed… It’s range was lowered to 300 making it nearly impossible to dodge without using an evade or block… And keep in mind different profs are balanced different, EX: an engi or ele have a lot of blasts but like no fields, a ranger could have BOTH a ton of fields AND a ton of blasts.

Nilkemia.8507:

I think that might be a joke on their part. Either that or it’s because you can end up fighting a lot of them at once, or they’re killing people when they’re a.f.k. or something.

o_O

It’s not a 1v1 thing the entire AI of risen thrills is to swarm, that’s why one does not simply pull one Risen Thrall… Or as they say, “EVERYONE, COME!!”

I love those as well, I just wish some things would be added to the bow to make then more Aesthetically pleasing combat wise, atm it’s just “I shot a bow! I shot a bow again! Oh look! I shot a bow again!”

waka.9826:

showatt.9413:

waka.9826:

showatt.9413:

Atherakhia.4086:

Just change F1 to allow the pet to attack and recall.
Make it so F2 skills actually worked when requested.
Make F3 the secondary skill for each pet and allow players to set it to auto-cast so if ANet is serious about this somehow being too complicated, players can leave it on auto cast and nothing would change.

i agree f2 skill needs to work when requested.
Allowing players to determine when to cast the 2ndary skill of pets is just asking for ranger buff. And the ability to autocast it sounds pretty OP if you wanna know the truth.

Asking to be able to use our own skills is asking for a buff? Okay then engineer kits should be RNG as well, from now on you cannot choose which 1-5 skill you can use in kits, the game will choose for you. Fair play right.

Engineer isn’t using an AI pet. You’re asking the ability to decide when your pet should deal a secondary damage (with effect), in addition to the f2 skill, while essentially keeping the pet’s ability to deal damage on their own. Not to mention you have two pets to switch between.

Surely you can see this is very different to weapon kit?

You honestly think this is going to create balance issues for rangers? Oh please lol.

Yes, it WOULD be a huge balance issue, we could then get off triple blast finishers, have very on demand CC (all of which is hard CC) be able to bring 2 on demand AoE 3.5k heals, AoE 3s KD, etc etc. it’d be absolutely broken and the pet skills would have to be nerfed TO THE GROUND, and I’d MUCH rather have little control over it rather than have it nerfed…

Requiem.8769:

Or you could have something similar to engineer kits.

This wouldn’t be clunky at all…

You know what’d be awesome? If Honed Axes actually made it so when you crit your axe bounces back to you, granting might, and then back at the guy it crit with a limit of once per axe.

Serraphin Storm.2369:

For me torment means Pain and fear. Both warrior and necros are known for this. Rangers not so much. I also think it kind of silly how both can fear you after. It’s Like having a Mesmer apply confusion and then have another skill that makes you attack through it.

Warriors can totally do pain (what part of a trap isn’t total agonizing pain?) and fear (I’d be more afraid of a bear than a guy with a big weapon any day). And mesmers don’t NEED to force you to attack they can just daze you for 3 seconds before hand then spike 18 confusion and be like “I dare you, try to recover!”

I know I was dumb founded that we haven’t gotten access to it through a pet, yet warriors got easy access to it on their sword…

I’d be extremely happy if I got a spider with torment!

I find it humorous how if you attack at range you’re bad… No, it just means I don’t give a rats kitten about how fast we clear the thing, I’d rather take 5 minutes longer (because really ranged isn’t THAT far off from Melee) and never die than clear it faster and have a few deaths.

And it may just be me being a PvP player and thinking being glass is stupid, but I ALWAYS Rez my allies if it won’t kill me, because Mercy Runes are kittening OP lol.

Boomstin.3460:

Durzlla.6295:

Adding onto this…

They want to make the F2 skill (and active skills for minions, spirits, spirit weapons ETC) very very responsive, and then for pets they want to make their AI smarter on when to use things like the KD and that. IF that fails then they said they would be looking into making it so the ranger can manually activate all their pets abilities.

They actually said that on Sotg? Maybe the extended beta will be over soon then
Is there a video up yet from the Sotg?

Yup, there’s a few links to it in the ele and sPvP channel (can’t link it now or I would)

smackphat.2917:

In the SOTG today they talked very briefly about improving pet AI. Hopefully some of the suggestions from here caught their eye and its not just F2 responsiveness being sorted (not that that isn’t an issue).

Adding onto this…

They want to make the F2 skill (and active skills for minions, spirits, spirit weapons ETC) very very responsive, and then for pets they want to make their AI smarter on when to use things like the KD and that. IF that fails then they said they would be looking into making it so the ranger can manually activate all their pets abilities.

Nikkle.4013:

Vena.8436:

Durzlla.6295:

Is….. Is he kidding? Please tell me that was a joke……. Please…

Context is key.

This is the spvp forums, context doesn’t matter because a dev said it.

J sharp: To be fair people were complaining about op warriors the day you buffed the heals. Changing zerker stance isn’t what made the waterworks start but buffing the heals did. Your one month delay theory isn’t correct in this example.

Well people were selling what he said as in “that’s how good eles play!!” Now that I have the kittening context what he said makes A LOT more sense.

Hekmatyar.8725:

Durzlla.6295:

I….. I can’t believe he’s saying ele sits in only fire and uses 1-2 attunements…. I’m at work or I’d play it right now…. This must be a joke… Right? Right? RIGHT?!?

He didn’t.

I’ll know for sure when I watch it later, I’m hoping you’re right!

I….. I can’t believe he’s saying ele sits in only fire and uses 1-2 attunements…. I’m at work or I’d play it right now…. This must be a joke… Right? Right? RIGHT?!?

Fishbait.6723:

“Elementalists only use one attunement, fire” J.Sharp 2013

LOL!

Is….. Is he kidding? Please tell me that was a joke……. Please…

Nike.2631:

I wonder if we could get the pet to be the 5 point unlock for the Beastmaster line.

No beastmaster commitment, no pet.

What would our new prof mechanic be? How would we control that while having a pet? Or would our pet be mindless and uncontrollable like other profs(which it shouldn’t be)?

I’m fine with the difficulty nerf, the normal mode is SUPPOSED to be doable by the vast majority of players. I’m more worried that the spin flowers will not allow some secrets to be obtained now…

Sera.6539:

Raziel.9738:

I can’t get to the shortcut eagle using the spin flower anymore. Tried 3 times just now.

You shouldn’t need the spin flower to get to the shortcut eagle.

Uh I know I did, tried to dodge jump to it and couldn’t get far enough, flower jump works everytime though…

And what about a certain hole in the wall in W2Z? There’s no way to get into there without the flower but you need the flower to continue…

Ryan.9387:

Durzlla.6295:

kiwituatara.6053:

Xsorus.2507:

Two ways you can take it.

10/0/30/10/20
or 10/0/30/0/30

Make sure you grab the Cripple Talent for them as well, It might seem kittenty, but it’ll cover Conditions so they don’t get removed.

But you end up with a bloody 4 Second Immobilize every 20 seconds and a stupid amount of Weakness/Poison

So say your spider immobilize + cripple and your opponent uses a skill that cleanse 1 condition. Which condition gets prioritised?

Whichever was applied last, so if you cripple than immob the immob would be dropped

Actually, that is wrong. Conditions are removed via rng. I’ve tested this with a friend.

Are they really? I figured it was like GW1 where it was logical…

SynfulChaot.3169:

Durzlla.6295:

God kitten did anyone read my post? It’d both be gained every X seconds (X = or < 15)

Yes. I did, at least. The problems are both the auto-usage and how to limit how many ‘dodges’ you could stack. Oh, and the fact that even evades won’t really save your pet from many of the insta-death field mechanics that are being added in late-game PvE content.

What insta kill mechanic in this game can you not evade? You could even evade through those walls in AR could be evaded through as long as your evade lasted long enough.

kiwituatara.6053:

Xsorus.2507:

Two ways you can take it.

10/0/30/10/20
or 10/0/30/0/30

Make sure you grab the Cripple Talent for them as well, It might seem kittenty, but it’ll cover Conditions so they don’t get removed.

But you end up with a bloody 4 Second Immobilize every 20 seconds and a stupid amount of Weakness/Poison

So say your spider immobilize + cripple and your opponent uses a skill that cleanse 1 condition. Which condition gets prioritised?

Whichever was applied last, so if you cripple than immob the immob would be dropped

SynfulChaot.3169:

Durzlla.6295:

seeing as how it’d also be gained when you dodge…. yeah you could…

The problem with linked dodges is that we’d need to burn a dodge to make our pet dodge. So we’d run out of stamina much more often as many AoE’s would force us to dodge for both us and for our pet, draining it in one go. It’d only really be viable if we had yet another boost to our endurance regen. But that might cause balance issues as we already have some of the highest endurance regen, and we we focused all that to only ourselves we’d be even harder to kill in PvP/WvW than we already are.

God kitten did anyone read my post? It’d both be gained every X seconds (X = or < 15)

Those aren’t spirits… not one bit…

Ars Valde.8693:

Durzlla.6295:

Oh look… It’s this idea again… I preferred the idea where every X seconds your pet gets a stack of “Natural Evasiveness”, dodging would also grant this, and it causes the next attack against the pet to cause them to evade for 1s.

This would be next to useless. You couldn’t predict or control the attack against your pet, it’d be like Aegis where it can be plinked away by an attack to strip it, before being hit by a harder spike. The ability to dodge/gain evade frames when you do adds skillful gameplay tied to your pet.

seeing as how it’d also be gained when you dodge…. yeah you could…

Oh look… It’s this idea again… I preferred the idea where every X seconds your pet gets a stack of “Natural Evasiveness”, dodging would also grant this, and it causes the next attack against the pet to cause them to evade for 1s.

cheshirefox.7026:

the cake is a lie   >_>

I thought this too…. However if it’s true…. Well lets just say I could dust my ele off again!!

RyuDragnier.9476:

I would have faith in them Durz, if it weren’t for the past couple of nerfs that have hit us across all 3 modes. I expect them to really screw up and do it again…because my optimism has turned into pessimism the last few months.

Well spirits were buffed in WvW and most PvE fights with that last one… And were hardly scathed in PvP(STILL a very strong build, just have to be smarter about when you summon your spirits).

Not to mention they like to make sure every prof but ele and ranger are in good standing so they’re not gonna blanket nerf condis but buff everyone’s condi removal and prolly return empathetic bond to all condis…. To the pet… Killing it instantly….

RyuDragnier.9476:

And you know what they’ll do with that? They’ll cut the condition damage down alright…across all 3 modes, making all condition builds completely useless for dungeons.

I highly doubt this will be the case… the best way they can fix this is to boost up condi removal and team condi removal (more important than the former).

Oh yeah, and necro staff #4, prolly gonna get nerfed

Stice.5204:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone run back into Entangle after escaping it. I didn’t even realize you could.

lol yeah i’ve had it happen all the time in tPvP, it’s always hilarious when they do!!

I wish I could be on the SOTG =(

Meh I don’t share my builds because they’re unorthodox, and although HIGHLY effective, tend to not be treated kindly by onlooking eyes…

But yeah, we need to stick together, we are rangers! We adapt to, and overcome, any situation!

You missed Long Ranger Harassment (LB + S/D), it’s good for roaming and making people get off the points you want, also extremely good in keep defense, it’s decent in keep offense too and in PvE, can’t really do well on its own because of it’s fragility and reliance on being at range though, but it could do well if your opponent was particularly squishy…

But yeah, not a whole lot has changed with rangers position in sPvP

Stormleaf.1769:

Sparrowsong.4238:

My take on this is there is a bunch of owls in a very dark basement under the item shop that is at the cave entrance where you find this emote. use your candle and walk to the creepy owls and …they are not what they seem..they are instead wooden dolls you can hit for baubles…quite a few actually.

So the owls are created by the shopkeeper to steal your baubles. Gasp!

Shopkeeper is Lord Vanquish.

The shopkeeper is like the one in The Legend of Zelda who would have that stupid vulture try and steal your shield and make you buy it back!!

Once i get the nice scoop (will be soon) i’ll let you know if it boosts any dig spots, i know a few 50 bauble dig spots in World 2 i’m gonna be checking.

Coldin.2840:

matthewr.3980:

What I don’t like is that it feels like all the baubles are found in super secret areas. While in World 1, you could still get a decent amount just scattered across the zones, there are literally none scattered across World 2.

So, it really breeds a mentality of going to Dulfy and finding out how to get to the chests, so you can buy the upgrades and start to play World 2.

Yeah. And a lot of the good World 1 digging spots give drastically fewer baubles too, so I can’t just farm those to fill up my wallet.

I only found 1 secret digging spot so far in World 2. Zone 3, near the beginning for 50 baubles. The jumps aren’t the easiest, but they could be worse. Too bad it’s only once per account.

I’ve found 4 dig spots (totally by accident granted) in World 2, a few in Zone 2, and a few in zone 1 (have yet to really do Zone 3 due to me putting off the torch for so long lol), and 3 of them were for 50 baubles… not that bad, not to mention a lot of chests in World 2 have 50 baubles, it’s really not hard to get teh cash.

Boomstin.3460:

Daecollo.9578:

Boomstin.3460:

Just a worried warrior trying to counter the people complaining about warrior heal signet.

Just a worried ranger trying to counter the people complaining about spirits.

Nah, you are welcome to delete spirits for all i care. Nice try though.

I’d be ok with this, we don’t have spirits… They all died during the 250yr gap between Gw1 and GW2….

Oh QZ and EoE… How I miss thee…

Eurantien.4632:

On the bright side it occasionally will rez those who are defeated which can sometimes be useful.

Not anymore, now if someone is defeated they will stop getting healed by the pet, but the pet will still sit there trying to Rez.

jcbroe.4329:

Durzlla.6295:

jcbroe.4329:

Durzlla.6295:

Soronthar.7236:

Durzlla.6295:

PS: the more I check this forum the more I realize the ranger community can’t adapt at all…. Oh the irony…

I have said it many times: with other classes, you lean to play and adapt to have an edge, with Rangers you learn to play and adapt to overcome the class limitations and be on an “even field” with the rest.

Ofc, this is outside sPvP, but that’s not what most people play.

I will say that rangers do have to try harder to be on par/have an edge than other profs, which sucks, but it could be worse, we could be like eles where it’s essentially spend 20-30 in arcane or die (I’m still trying to break that but am having no luck AT ALL).

I can’t wait until they kittening fix the severe trait imbalances among the profs…

Rangers and Eles are extremely on par with each other, generally being forced into heavy defensive specs in order to be viable, and having very necessary grandmaster traits in order to have any sort of defense.

Rangers and Eles are both in need of the same sort of changes, and if the thread highlighting JPs responses in a live stream is to be trusted, there are some “bigger” QoL changes coming on October 1, so hopefully things like this are addressed.

I find hit hilarious (and depressing) that my 2 favorite profs are the most kitten in the area I like most about GW2 (traits)

Exactly! And then on classes like my necro, I can have full offensive traits (Dhuumfire and Terror), and still have 20 points left over, which I invest in the toughness line so that my staff’s full AoE condi transfer recharges faster and I can remove conditions when entering death shroud. Or on my guardian I can take Altruistic Healing, Healing Symbols, and Turn condis into boons with shouts, and still have 10 points left over to reduce the recharge of the signet heal.

I see those types of incredible, additive options, and then I look at classes like Ranger and Ele and go… what were they thinking when they made these traits and/or utilities? Other classes just seem to have more useful traits, that do more for them, and can be added to almost any build and be effective.

I gotta say, ele has some of my favorite utilities in the game, their conjures need just a TINY bit of love (too much and they’ll be OP), but overall are good, ranger utilities… Well lets just say signets and generic utility type (survival) are our best and most interesting… They just need to totally revamp those… And our traits… And give our pets a TINY bit of love(mostly responsiveness).

I love making builds on my engi because I literally want to use EVERYTHING, it’s just so good!! All profs traits/utilities need to be closer to engis (not saying copy paste just saying make everything look like a good choice).

PS: totally only speaking of PvP, pets need some sort of auto kill immunity (not so much AoE immunity, only things like the Laser walls and shockwaves, aka things a player can avoid but they can’t).

jcbroe.4329:

Durzlla.6295:

Soronthar.7236:

Durzlla.6295:

PS: the more I check this forum the more I realize the ranger community can’t adapt at all…. Oh the irony…

I have said it many times: with other classes, you lean to play and adapt to have an edge, with Rangers you learn to play and adapt to overcome the class limitations and be on an “even field” with the rest.

Ofc, this is outside sPvP, but that’s not what most people play.

I will say that rangers do have to try harder to be on par/have an edge than other profs, which sucks, but it could be worse, we could be like eles where it’s essentially spend 20-30 in arcane or die (I’m still trying to break that but am having no luck AT ALL).

I can’t wait until they kittening fix the severe trait imbalances among the profs…

Rangers and Eles are extremely on par with each other, generally being forced into heavy defensive specs in order to be viable, and having very necessary grandmaster traits in order to have any sort of defense.

Rangers and Eles are both in need of the same sort of changes, and if the thread highlighting JPs responses in a live stream is to be trusted, there are some “bigger” QoL changes coming on October 1, so hopefully things like this are addressed.

I find hit hilarious (and depressing) that my 2 favorite profs are the most kitten in the area I like most about GW2 (traits)

RyuDragnier.9476:

Aveneo.2068:

Gaslov.9164:

So I 1v1 a ranger in WvW yesterday and had to google how the heck this guy was disappearing every ~15 seconds. He won and let me tell you that crap is incredibly annoying for anyone who isn’t using a lot of DOT damage.

If you find that annoying, I wonder if you ever tried fighting a Thief who can go into indefinite stealth-mode whenever they want.

Ranger just has a “poor man’s stealth” on his Longbow which is more like a gimmick and not something that should cause you to lose a 1v1. Unless you were playing a character without any ranged weapon and the Ranger was kiting you around at 1500 range.

It would be silly if anybody wasn’t using a ranged weapon in this game. You need a close range and a long range weapon to really keep yourself safe in WvW. Even in dungeons it’s a smart move to keep a long range weapon on you at all times, since you never know when you’re going to have to kite enemies because somebody died.

Or you’re a you know, D/D ele or a guardian who tend to be locked into Melee, or a thief whose ranged option doesn’t even touch you if you’re kiting at 1500…

But hey, that’s why those guys have some sexy gap closers!

Soronthar.7236:

Durzlla.6295:

PS: the more I check this forum the more I realize the ranger community can’t adapt at all…. Oh the irony…

I have said it many times: with other classes, you lean to play and adapt to have an edge, with Rangers you learn to play and adapt to overcome the class limitations and be on an “even field” with the rest.

Ofc, this is outside sPvP, but that’s not what most people play.

I will say that rangers do have to try harder to be on par/have an edge than other profs, which sucks, but it could be worse, we could be like eles where it’s essentially spend 20-30 in arcane or die (I’m still trying to break that but am having no luck AT ALL).

I can’t wait until they kittening fix the severe trait imbalances among the profs…

The 332331 song can be used in W2Z3 to make the stone heads to stop blowing for a period of time.

TheBandicoot.5294:

may i ask where you found that 123 song? I only found the 332331 song so far and bombed the hell out of W2Z2 literally ^^

lol me and my friends have been bombing the hell out of ALL the stages in hopes of finding SOMETHING….

Btw, if someone answers can you just give the World and Zone and leave the details behind a spoiler? I’d like to search it myself but wouldn’t mind focusing my search to a specific area…

Oh no, you can die all day and i can’t, the horrors!! Oh wait… i have so many continue coins from cashing in Bauble Bubbles alone that i can die all day too…. funny how that works…

You could always do the faster, albeit harder/more frustrating method of dropping 2 gold on the Motto Weapon and then completing Tribulation Mode for a world and you’ll get a fancy Green or Yellow colored skin instead of a blue one. If you’re just having a rough time with the days you can play (and not how long on those days) just run W1, get all the baubles, convert those into Continue Coins (should give you 200 lives), and you’ll be in good shape!!