Guild Wars 2

CLiK has achieved “Ravager” and is atm r65.

Xeph.4513:

My main quell with it, is that it failed to shake the meta up, and we’ve been in the same consistent meta for the past 2-3 months without any significant changes.

I would be happy if this only concerns balanced/meta issues. But it’s the same with the rest of PvP (hopes relies on CA and Leaderboards).

Selling unid dyes from pvp would result in a lower value. The crit chance for rares are the same I think.

Ezrael.6859:

Conditions have countered bunkers since the beginning.

I would say bunkers have countered conditions since the beginning. (no intention here to start a flame-war)

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mckmzc9cmMhxmmMhxmx0x0amRbmsbV8kiQ70M7070M7kNc70m707owY

Couldn’t show it there, but I run Knight’s Gem in the Soldier’s amulet.

Both the might and lifesteal work for your allies as well as you.

I like different builds. As our core thief allrdy tested quite the same build, we saw it didn’t work cuz without any fast burst you won’t kill anything. So for this you need some other burst class. Also this build just work in teamfights. In a 1v1 you’re in a lost state.
Try to roam around with this build and catch an ele. Will never happen cuz conditions won’t kill the ele. Mabye you could name your setup so we get an impression how you fit in it. Like to see that. Thanks

We run 2x bunker guards 1x D/D ele, myself on thief, and a GS warrior. Ele floats between guards and GS warrior and I roam for PK. I fill the role of primary CC for the team.

I do win nearly every 1v1 I just don’t “insta-gib”. My dps isn’t shabby at all due to sword’s natural high auto-attack dps, and my ability to keep protection/regeneration stripped off my target. They pretty much stay locked down from venoms during the fight.

To summarize that for you. No portal = max 4 ppl on mid-fights. If the warrior gets shut down (and for sure he will) I doubt you will get smn down from your pressure. Also it’s easy to outroam your setup.
Still my question is how you handle a bunker-ele on your close? Your missing burst will destroy you.

I rotate venoms out, (Basilisk on inc, I hit and force stun break, GS warrior charges/ throws GS with his basilisk to stone second time: I then pop devourer to immobilize while warrior hits 100b rotation, then I chill, then venom….generally, an ele is dead before i get to chill, bunker guards will require the full venom rotation.)

We only focus on holding 2 points, this build grows in strength multiplicatively by the number of allies nearby. Lack of burst is a non issue when your opponent is forced to sit there and eat all your attacks.

Any good ele will instantly teleport or mistform if he sees a warrior coming with 100b / a thief has basilisk up. So no you won’t kill him instantly. But actually i’d like to see that. If you play on EU-Servers then you can pm me. I really wanna see if this works.
still thank you for the description, appreciated that.

The whole point is we force them to use those CDs before we go for the kill. Won’t do the burst rotation til they are locked down. Often I’ll hold off on venoms and use infiltrator’s strike spam to force this if necessary (for the very talented eles) Most panic and blow all escape CDs on inc.

All fine. But by the time you can kill the ele (good eles rtl out) you will loose the mid-node. That takes too much time.

True, but that’s not our job lol. We have 1 bunker at each node we want to hold (some maps not even mid is one of them) ele loats back and forth to support those 2 bunkers to hold point. Warrior and I go where the majority of the enemy is (Sometimes all but their 1 bunker hit one of our nodes, in that case we’d have ele/guard/warrior/and myself hit that node. With the crazy CC flying all over, the attackers are too impaired to effectively fight us. Warrior calls target, I lock em down, he kills.)

If we are not near a node and the ele wilsons to some random area, we have the option to just let them run. In the end, holding our 2 nodes and disrupting the flow of their players back from graveyard is all that matters.

If ele tries to bunker down, he dies, if he runs, we control the point.

What? Now you tell me you go kill the ele on your close and in the other sentence is say it’s not your job? How you wanna get rid of it then? All 4 go to mid and let close neutral?
Sidenote for ppl that don’t know: The ele is able to reach your close before your guard actually can full-cap. If he has fullcapped during the game the ele can decap it with tornado. So you definitely need warrior and thief for this ele. Means you can’t go mid until you can cap/kill him.

Shelter is over the top. 2 secs of blocks can avoid about 20k dmg. If you have fear a necro will fear you with his unblockable mark (what a word play…amazing) then just put stability up. (shelter 32cd, stand your ground 24cd) Mabye a wasted stun-break but when you allone against 3 ppl it won’t really matter. And in teamfights you won’t get focused anyway.

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mckmzc9cmMhxmmMhxmx0x0amRbmsbV8kiQ70M7070M7kNc70m707owY

Couldn’t show it there, but I run Knight’s Gem in the Soldier’s amulet.

Both the might and lifesteal work for your allies as well as you.

I like different builds. As our core thief allrdy tested quite the same build, we saw it didn’t work cuz without any fast burst you won’t kill anything. So for this you need some other burst class. Also this build just work in teamfights. In a 1v1 you’re in a lost state.
Try to roam around with this build and catch an ele. Will never happen cuz conditions won’t kill the ele. Mabye you could name your setup so we get an impression how you fit in it. Like to see that. Thanks

We run 2x bunker guards 1x D/D ele, myself on thief, and a GS warrior. Ele floats between guards and GS warrior and I roam for PK. I fill the role of primary CC for the team.

I do win nearly every 1v1 I just don’t “insta-gib”. My dps isn’t shabby at all due to sword’s natural high auto-attack dps, and my ability to keep protection/regeneration stripped off my target. They pretty much stay locked down from venoms during the fight.

To summarize that for you. No portal = max 4 ppl on mid-fights. If the warrior gets shut down (and for sure he will) I doubt you will get smn down from your pressure. Also it’s easy to outroam your setup.
Still my question is how you handle a bunker-ele on your close? Your missing burst will destroy you.

I rotate venoms out, (Basilisk on inc, I hit and force stun break, GS warrior charges/ throws GS with his basilisk to stone second time: I then pop devourer to immobilize while warrior hits 100b rotation, then I chill, then venom….generally, an ele is dead before i get to chill, bunker guards will require the full venom rotation.)

We only focus on holding 2 points, this build grows in strength multiplicatively by the number of allies nearby. Lack of burst is a non issue when your opponent is forced to sit there and eat all your attacks.

Any good ele will instantly teleport or mistform if he sees a warrior coming with 100b / a thief has basilisk up. So no you won’t kill him instantly. But actually i’d like to see that. If you play on EU-Servers then you can pm me. I really wanna see if this works.
still thank you for the description, appreciated that.

The whole point is we force them to use those CDs before we go for the kill. Won’t do the burst rotation til they are locked down. Often I’ll hold off on venoms and use infiltrator’s strike spam to force this if necessary (for the very talented eles) Most panic and blow all escape CDs on inc.

All fine. But by the time you can kill the ele (good eles rtl out) you will loose the mid-node. That takes too much time.

In PvE we need more high-end dungeons (similar to DoA, UW, FoW from GW1) or mabye a hard-mode, where you face lvl 80-100 creatures. I think they allrdy have plans about these things. Mabye we will see this in upcoming expansions/patches.

A leaderboard for PvE is a joke. Mabye there should be leaderboard for fractals ranks, but the rest is just a matter of how long you’ve been playing.

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mckmzc9cmMhxmmMhxmx0x0amRbmsbV8kiQ70M7070M7kNc70m707owY

Couldn’t show it there, but I run Knight’s Gem in the Soldier’s amulet.

Both the might and lifesteal work for your allies as well as you.

I like different builds. As our core thief allrdy tested quite the same build, we saw it didn’t work cuz without any fast burst you won’t kill anything. So for this you need some other burst class. Also this build just work in teamfights. In a 1v1 you’re in a lost state.
Try to roam around with this build and catch an ele. Will never happen cuz conditions won’t kill the ele. Mabye you could name your setup so we get an impression how you fit in it. Like to see that. Thanks

We run 2x bunker guards 1x D/D ele, myself on thief, and a GS warrior. Ele floats between guards and GS warrior and I roam for PK. I fill the role of primary CC for the team.

I do win nearly every 1v1 I just don’t “insta-gib”. My dps isn’t shabby at all due to sword’s natural high auto-attack dps, and my ability to keep protection/regeneration stripped off my target. They pretty much stay locked down from venoms during the fight.

To summarize that for you. No portal = max 4 ppl on mid-fights. If the warrior gets shut down (and for sure he will) I doubt you will get smn down from your pressure. Also it’s easy to outroam your setup.
Still my question is how you handle a bunker-ele on your close? Your missing burst will destroy you.

I rotate venoms out, (Basilisk on inc, I hit and force stun break, GS warrior charges/ throws GS with his basilisk to stone second time: I then pop devourer to immobilize while warrior hits 100b rotation, then I chill, then venom….generally, an ele is dead before i get to chill, bunker guards will require the full venom rotation.)

We only focus on holding 2 points, this build grows in strength multiplicatively by the number of allies nearby. Lack of burst is a non issue when your opponent is forced to sit there and eat all your attacks.

Any good ele will instantly teleport or mistform if he sees a warrior coming with 100b / a thief has basilisk up. So no you won’t kill him instantly. But actually i’d like to see that. If you play on EU-Servers then you can pm me. I really wanna see if this works.
still thank you for the description, appreciated that.

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mckmzc9cmMhxmmMhxmx0x0amRbmsbV8kiQ70M7070M7kNc70m707owY

Couldn’t show it there, but I run Knight’s Gem in the Soldier’s amulet.

Both the might and lifesteal work for your allies as well as you.

I like different builds. As our core thief allrdy tested quite the same build, we saw it didn’t work cuz without any fast burst you won’t kill anything. So for this you need some other burst class. Also this build just work in teamfights. In a 1v1 you’re in a lost state.
Try to roam around with this build and catch an ele. Will never happen cuz conditions won’t kill the ele. Mabye you could name your setup so we get an impression how you fit in it. Like to see that. Thanks

We run 2x bunker guards 1x D/D ele, myself on thief, and a GS warrior. Ele floats between guards and GS warrior and I roam for PK. I fill the role of primary CC for the team.

I do win nearly every 1v1 I just don’t “insta-gib”. My dps isn’t shabby at all due to sword’s natural high auto-attack dps, and my ability to keep protection/regeneration stripped off my target. They pretty much stay locked down from venoms during the fight.

To summarize that for you. No portal = max 4 ppl on mid-fights. If the warrior gets shut down (and for sure he will) I doubt you will get smn down from your pressure. Also it’s easy to outroam your setup.
Still my question is how you handle a bunker-ele on your close? Your missing burst will destroy you.

Reroll, the future dev for surveys. Keep up the good work.

Adaneshade.2409:

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mckmzc9cmMhxmmMhxmx0x0amRbmsbV8kiQ70M7070M7kNc70m707owY

Couldn’t show it there, but I run Knight’s Gem in the Soldier’s amulet.

Both the might and lifesteal work for your allies as well as you.

I like different builds. As our core thief allrdy tested quite the same build, we saw it didn’t work cuz without any fast burst you won’t kill anything. So for this you need some other burst class. Also this build just work in teamfights. In a 1v1 you’re in a lost state.
Try to roam around with this build and catch an ele. Will never happen cuz conditions won’t kill the ele. Mabye you could name your setup so we get an impression how you fit in it. Like to see that. Thanks

Acandis.3250:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Actually the only problem was time-warp. Other things never had such a great impact (frenzy, haste etc.)

Even time warp wasn’t that big of a deal IMO, the CD is pretty big. But even if it was just timewarp that was the problem, it doesn’t warrant a nerf for the whole quickness effect.

That’s the perfect answer that every teacher want to hear once from a student. This is exactly what I wanted to point out with that. In conclusion it’s good for Time-Warp but bad for the rest of the skillz/traits/runes/sigils. (no sarcasm inteded here)

Adaneshade.2409:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Adaneshade.2409:

Thief has way more than 1 viable build lol. We have builds ranging from full on tank to group support to conditions…….

Every class has many builds, the other question is if they are viable.
Condition thief is obviously not one of them, same goes for tanky thief (started laughing when I read this). Group support? (I’m nearly dying, please stahp)
Disagreeing on that my son?

They are VERY viable, your narrow mindedness is astounding >.<

Tanky venom share build took our tPvP to 15 straight victories last night…..I’d call that viable both on the tank and group support front.

Allright my son, GJ on that.
We talk about this later, when you reach the higher-end.
Wishing you good dreams and some nice sleep.

Gems yes, Gold no.
But A-Net mentioned this probably won’t happen again.

Adaneshade.2409:

Thief has way more than 1 viable build lol. We have builds ranging from full on tank to group support to conditions…….

Every class has many builds, the other question is if they are viable.
Condition thief is obviously not one of them, same goes for tanky thief (started laughing when I read this). Group support? (I’m nearly dying, please stahp)
Disagreeing on that my son?

Actually the only problem was time-warp. Other things never had such a great impact (frenzy, haste etc.)
PS: Please stop answering REHFLEX. He just joking around like meaning WvW has anything to do with skill or he is able to kill some hotjoin players.
Stop feed the troll!

Valkyriez.6578:

Guardians may be the best bunkers but thier dps role is in a worse spot then warriors have ever been. People rate the. As effective based on being a bunker and that’s it.

Try playing a great sword dps guardian. It’s like playing a warrior but with 15k health and zero toughness.

Warriors are better off with the quick was nerf. Now some other builds will come out and not be 100B reliant. Balanced build with soldiers amulet and control skills. Sure, might not be the best roamer, but will be a great team fighter.

Or we could spend all day pretending to redesign it or whinge about it just for arena net to ignore it.

As you playing Guardian and think a dps guard should play with GS (riddicolous joke) means you copy pasted a bunker build and never played something different. DPS guard is used in some top teams from EU, and their burst is about 10-14k. weapons are secepter/torch and sword/focus.

Fear gets removed through this trait. But if you have other conditions up it’s one of the last in the chain. From my experience bleeding is the first condition in the chain, means it gets first removed.

Guardian: DPS-guard has a pretty viable build actually and a decent burst. Played by us and Crs.

levelnine.7036:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Stop raging guys… Custom arenas and leadboards will fix everything.

how is it gonna fix anything? will we get rid of bunkers? conquest will be fun to play?

Some ppl still didn’t get what sarcasm means. Anyways this game will be e-sport by the next patch. I smell it.

Actually this forum is the best feedback the devs can get. I think even when there are not constructive posts at all, you see how satisfied (or not) ppl are and what they are struggling with.
If noone would complain about frenzy the devs wouldn’t look at it twice, as ppl are okay with it. Other thing was the 1v1 paid-tournament release, where you got no reward from it. What we saw were flaming threads all over the place. And let’s see… they fixed the rewards in a day! There are douzens of examples.

So please stop complaining about ppl that complain.

Yes, timewarp needed some nerf.
For frenzy they need actually to remove quickness fully and include 100% faster movement into the description of frenzy. So it’s staying the same skill as before the patch.
In general I didn’t expect big changes, as I focus more on leaderboards and CA’s.

The level of coolness in this thread is too much for me to handle . . .
Back to the uncool-threads about karl though.

Is it cool nowadays to post random youtube-videos? Gonna try it out for sure…

Stop raging guys… Custom arenas and leadboards will fix everything.

No other ppl have the middle mouse button problem?

In conclusion this means: PVP Custom Servers get rented by PVE Players.
The strategy is to get more pve players into pvp. A brilliant solution!!! A-Net devs are geniuses. Get all the casuals into PvP!!!

I recommend a post for the middle mouse button!

I suggest a legendary precursor for it.

They didn’t mention a date. Just some settings you can adjust in it.

Amaterasu.6280:

If they do 200/gems a day, they MUST reintroduce gems back into rewards via tpvp.

In the SOTG they said, gems aren’t intended to get back into PvP as rewards.

Actually it’s important too!

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

The bottom line is this feature needs to get in ASAP. A-net generates revenue from the PvP community and they will actually use some resources to improve sPvP. RIght now sPvP is on a ramen noodle budget, because they can’t make any money off of it. Give them money and they will give you service, shockingly similar to the worlds’ oldest profession.

Other games didn’t need that and GW2 does neither. Sold 3 million exemplares, so that’s quite a good revenue. And from the customers view: A customer buys a good product and start investing money if it’s good. That’s not the case for GW2. It’s far away from being good/complete PvP wise.
I mean do you buy putrid fruits? I prefer fresh ones.

Still another thief gets you easily becuz 8 dodges aren’t enough to reach a node. GL getting stomped.

I wanna feed this troll thread….sooo
The problem is not rtl, it’s the process where you escape and HEAL UP to over 9000% of health. Then go back into the big battle. So you need to reduce the healing or make cast times longer or simply take out one of the two heals of a S/D bunker.
There you go my son.

Banner need some buffs. We need banners everywhere over the place. From 90 points to over 9000!!!

My biggest hope bla bla bla. Culling get fixed, ppl are happy.

What about the middle-mouse button?

Kenshin.6154:

Yea we do. Well at least I do

Then you’re not a 100% pvp player. Or you crafted dyes and got lucky.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Because a mesmer has no condition remove it’s just too easy to get him as a necro. Freekill. Same goes for BM ranger.

Yeh but the same is true for a mesmer. A necro has no way to get out of immobalise or stuns because we are forced to not run stun breakers really. A ranger obviously will beat a mesmer with being able to get out of immobalise anyway and because their ai pet helps them.

I find mesmer 50:50 on my condi necro. I would rank hardest to easiest classes to 1v1 (although a necro should never 1v1 if he is running res sig/epidemic/staff/etc because it is weak):
Hardest: BM ranger
Ele
Thief
Mesmer
Warrior
Guardian
Easiest: Engi

Seems legit. Actually as you described you know how to handle the class. So for all necros who know mesmer-mechanics as you do, it’s a freekill. (Saw this in lots of duells)

Because a mesmer has no condition remove it’s just too easy to get him as a necro. Freekill. Same goes for BM ranger.

Finally a good suggestion that makes sense. Mabye we will see this in a future patch.

Pretty much everything said my swiss friend. A reason for these results could be, that A-Net has removed the casting-bar from Gw1. Where you could read all the skillz and see them with the animation, now it’s only the animation. And the animation you only learn through playing the class. And most ppl (mostly casuals) refuse to play every class.

I will head off to GW1, if CustomArenas will fail (I don’t think it will, unless a-net goes crazy again). Sadly HA is dead by now…

KarlaGrey.5903:

Mesmers are sick in coordinated team fights.
Seriously, a guardian root on a mesmer spike, and/or a focus pull into time warp aoe with their whole team unloading every piece of aoe meow they got literally makes you implode without an okitten skill and a superb reaction time.
Talk about broken. My poor necro melted along with all of her DS to one of such spikes (pulled right back in after rolling out of TW range, sob), just to be finished off by random ranged damage while trying to escape on 500 hp.

Into the plague! blind them all till death.

Rerroll.9083:

Subscribing to tehmaker

Haha, made my day. Pretty sad advertisement actually.

Remembers me of 1v1 paid tournaments (cost: 1ticket, win: 100 glory).
Amazing how randomly they throw out numbers.

To cap the orb against any decent team you need some sort of block. So I don’t see the necro being op on the map. Even when plague is one of the best skillz out there.