Guild Wars 2

Thieves for the most part. Devastating if left alone, but usually die quickly in a burst before they can even try to escape.

It depends on the build really. If I see one playing well I might focus in an engagement and leave it at that.

If I see one spamming 3 on sbow or 2 on dagger I’ll hunt them down all match.

Slowburn.5319:

The dungeon was AC P3 i thnk… the end lizard. dodge? nope. 12345 and sometimes 6? nope. afk autoattck while smoking….

I wonder if anyone could tell me? How many bosses have this feature?

Ah, the easy/boring way. It’s not the game’s fault.

You can either go full melee and retreat to grast’s bubbles killing the boss in less than 2 minutes.

Or you can pull him to the other side of that corner, go full 100% dps with max buffs and FGS from a might stacking ele, and kill him in less than a minute..

That’s like somebody saying skiing sucks because they can’t stand up, but if you practiced and learned it would become fun.

J Eberle.9312:

Not sure if srs >_>

From what I’ve seen of Patrikan, and his posts in the fractured update, I think he’s just playing the devil’s advocate =)

Slowburn.5319:

everyone stacked in a corner and autoattacked for like 10 minutes… glitch or strategy? HHmmm, i guess strategy more than glitch.. but would be nice to see cheeze strategies fixed.

About this ‘no dungeon team’? did they lay off the dungeon devs?

Stacking isn’t a cheese strategy. It’s efficient. There is still good gameplay even when stacking. Also, you aren’t being very specific as to what encounter, just making some generalizations.

Good groups realize:
- You still need to dodge
- You can res downed players quickly
- You can share your boons/blast fields with your party
- You can remove team conditions
- You can hinder the group by putting down unwanted fields (I’m looking at you bad necros)

Bad groups think:
- You stack and spam 1>2>3>4>5 and 6 sometimes.

Slowburn.5319:

notabot.3497:

It’s not a glitch, its a feature.

That’s pretty funny, I guess…. for realz though, i don’t wanna have to ask everyone if they plan to glitch before runs. C’mon anet.

Depends on what boss and what strategy you’re using.

There are some actual glithces, but I think they are few, and probably more harmful glitches to the players than there are beneficial ones.

There are also a lot of strategies that people don’t like so they call them glitches, when in reality it’s just strategy.

AtriustheGod.6785:

he gave me his spot, and that’s how I saw the fifth guild member who was obviously the reason that they booted me in the first place.

How did you see this “5th” member?

No, they using their precious time to delicately put up invisible and visible walls blocking locations that have no effect on anything.

Iris Ng.9845:

We should have a name-and-shame list for those griefing guilds!

Even though Anet refuses to do anything or acknolwedge this problem exists, they wouldn’t allow this response.

Also, it would be completely possible for somebody to have an issue with a guild and just say they got kicked by this guild to give them a bad name. Like… I got kicked by [CRZY] at the boss because I was wearing COF gear. =) Didn’t happen, just an example.

@OP, sorry, if that happened then that really sucks =(.

SoPP.7034:

So what did you think of this patch?

6/10 necro.

Good idea, but a little premature.

Miszou.3158:

No, I am level 38 and using Masterwork weapons with blue crafted armor.

…

meh. I’ve given this game it’s fair shake of chances, but I really don’t think it’s for me.

I wouldn’t say less than half of max level in an MMO where the genre is usually centered around end game content would be considered “fair…chances”

That’s fine though that you don’t think the game is for you. Just don’t post on the forums that people are kicking you right after boss kill injustly. Especially, like noobgood said, you probably were joining “fotm lvl 1 daily” groups. The daily means they just do 1 round of 1 level 1 fractal to get credit for the daily.

Celeras.4980:

I love achievements like this. Thank you for including them in the game!

They are optional for the meta, so I don’t even comprehend the argument against them. If you don’t like them, don’t do them.

Really? People do want to do them, but they don’t want their reward to depend upon the success of others.

They say you’re only as strong as your weakest link. I’d rather control my own success than have to hope the person who I don’t know and have never talked to knows what to do so I can be rewarded.

Edit: Not to mention the bug (or working as intended?) where 1 person can get teleported to a platform by him/herself, pretty much ensuring a failure.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Heltzer.2435:

I will admit the first thing I thought was….“Why is that black armor char wearing a flower?”

Oh….and the wall is a minor thing.

Oh hai Heltzer ^.^ and you say that I stalk you! It’s clearly you.

Hey, I got your PM, I’m not ignoring you, I can’t respond =(.

Also, this seems like a not very important fix. I wish the time taken to do this was better spent elsewhere.

Yeah, also, lets do all the paths in order. You can’t just drop straight into arah p4.

You HAVE to start with AC story, then do path 1, then path 2, then path 3.

The dungoen team obviously wanted a sequential order, which is why they ordered them 1, 2, 3 etc.

This is what anet intended, no reason to doubt it.

Edit: They are listed in order. The first option is first, the second option is second, if you read what I stated, i never said they were numbered.

JJBigs.8456:

Theres only a few classes with limited swiftness and TA skips dont take a minute long where you need lots of it or anything. Id never wait tbh, especially if you have confidence in yourself you can complete the skip yourself. If they are a newbie then they wouldnt know to stand in it anyway, therefore its up to you to TYPE to your team and say “Dropping swiftness, stand for 5 secs” and itll be up to them to decide. If you randomly drop a effect on floor, most people wont notice, etc…

Its a nice notion just communicate with team for maximum effectiveness of its use

I’m amazed at how little communication there is, yet people get so frustrated when the other 4 members they haven’t said a word to don’t do exactly what they wanted.

^PUG life

You can still play how you want. Nobody is changing that.

I’m really beginning to dislike that phrase.

This will be done after they add more dredge to dredge

TChalla.7146:

If a CEO was losing money, he’d be fired regardless of what his intent was, especially if it happened over a long period of time. It’s not really the best analogy though. I’m sure you can see that.

Here’s the thing. If one feels that promises weren’t kept, one could always “fire” ANet and stop playing the game. It’s pretty simple when you get right down to it. I personally don’t think anything was promised. The word “intend” is not a promise. There’s no way I can read the two as equal. They had goals. They couldn’t meet those goals for whatever reason. There is nothing I’ve seen to make me think these things aren’t still in the works. I’m a patient person and can wait. It costs me nothing in the long run anyway.

Okay, so they intended to do something. That means they failed, since it wasn’t done. They can makes excuses, but that doesn’t really count for much. The true response should lie within the actions. They said they intended to do certain things by 2014, some of that was not done, which means they failed in doing what they intended (which is the point I was trying to make, instead of you focusing on one aspect instead of the big picture).

Somebody in the dungeon forums, much wiser than myself, said something along the lines of how they should be glad there are people voicing their concerns, such as this thread. It means that they still care about the game and want it to do well. If there weren’t threads like this, it means that everything is 100% fine, or those that did care left (like you said, ‘fired’ the company, and just left the game).

I’m just waiting on a certain game to come out, then you won’t hear any more complaining from me.

It’s still a loss of money even if I stay around. I’m paying customer and had no issues supporting anet when I thought they were doing well. They are going downhill, along with the game, and so I refuse to support them now, and will most likely soon just stop playing altogether.

TChalla.7146:

“Happy 2013 everyone! I wanted to take the time to provide insight on some of the exciting features, events, and stories we intend to bring to Guild Wars 2 in the first half of the New Year.”

I copied this from one of the links at the bottom of the wiki that was linked in the first post. I’m assuming that this is what we’re all discussing right now.

I highlighted the word “intend.” To me, this wasn’t ANet saying “This IS what will be coming out in 2013.” Instead, I read it as “This is what we’re striving to accomplish in 2013.”

There is a big difference between the two. I see no promises being broken, since none were made.

By the way, I’m using the word “promise” here because it’s actually in the topic title.

If a CEO told the board he intended to increase profit by 5% in 2013, however they ended up losing profit, he would be gone. He wouldn’t have people saying “well he just said intended, so it’s actually okay they lost money, because he didn’t promise anything”

jheryn.8390:

Ethics.4519:

My bottom line: Arenanet advertised/promised/implied/said (insert whatever word you want to argue about) that certain things were going to happen in 2013, and they did not. I also don’t think just because you put one statement at the bottom or in the middle that says things are subject to change, makes it okay.

Fair enough. However, taking you literally, ANet did not do that. Employees of the company did. Ltterally, everything the company released through advertisement did happen.

I’m not going to bother responding to the others, because I disagree and bickering back and forth will obviously get us nowhere.

The employees represent the company. Look at many of the scandals in the news where an employee is fired for some personal wrong doing they did that went public.

Just because you don’t have an issue with the company not doing the things that they said they are working on to have done in 2013, doesn’t mean you should tell the people that do care that they are wrong.

My bottom line: Arenanet advertised/promised/implied/said (insert whatever word you want to argue about) that certain things were going to happen in 2013, and they did not. I also don’t think just because you put one statement at the bottom or in the middle that says things are subject to change, makes it okay.

Edit: Also, the defintion you linked “The activity of attracting public attention to a product or business, as by paid announcements in the print, broadcast, or electronic media.” Is advertising. They paid to have the blog written and posted on a website they are paying for, which is in electronic media, aka the internet.

kyubi.3620:

because the moment you hit 70+ you already are nearly perma criting.

Actually you’d probably not crit about 30% of the time.

Obtena.7952:

I don’t think you recognize how this exclusive atmosphere is created unintentionally, even if you know it’s not ideal. I know a great number of people who simply avoid this subsection, because of the atmosphere. Devs are players too. They aren’t blind to what’s happening. I don’t blame them for not coming here.

Devs may be players, but their top priority should be appeasing customers (players) with great content, communication, and fixes.

I work as an engineer and there will always be troublesome employees, and I wouldn’t be good at my job if I just ignored them and decided not to go around them.

Panda Shepard.1248:

You need to talk to support, not us. We can’t help you.

When gather tools became account bound, a poster received a dev response telling him there would be a refund.

I don’t see why this is different. However you are correct, we as players, can’t directly help him, but you could support him.

I love pistol whip and/or blurred frenzy on Asurans. When they hop in the air and their little feet kick back and forth like a dog having a bad dream.

For time invested, I would say dungeons. But I get horrible drops in fractals, even more so after the update.

One my guildies swears that fractals drops are awesome now.

RNG… a fantastic idea.

Aeonblade.8709:

Nabrok.9023:

Aeonblade.8709:

I wonder if they’ll sing the same tune in 6 months as population continues to decline as rapidly as it has.

OK, look me up in 6 months and we’ll continue this conversation then.

I’d rather not. And I’m sure most of us will be gone by then anyway if an expansion announcement isn’t made in the next few months.

You guys can have your LS and all the ghost towns that come with it if there isn’t an expansion announced before then, because we have much more ambitious projects coming down the pipeline this year

I have been warning them against this content delivery method since I started playing, and during that time I have watched nearly every server become empty outside of LA and Queensdale.

Come to BG. Frostgorge and WvW also have Queues =)

Agreed. And what’s up with respawning normal mobs. I want a challenge! At least that’s what other people told me I wanted in the fractured thread.

So therefore respawns should be veterans or higher!

Upham.6137:

Fror.2163:

Finally, often people ask if I’m a dps guardian. I ping one piece of ascended armor (which is Zerker, since all are Zerker) not the complete armor. And they just go on with it. Just do the same. They’ll see your soldiers runes, but hey, they asked for zerker gear, not zerker with scholar runes! If they mind it, just leave the group you’ll have no fun, and at the first failure they’ll blame you and kick you.

So if they are looking for full zerkers (which clearly means zerk everything with DPS runes, sigils, consumables) and they mind you having knight pieces and soldier runes then they are probably jerks and you should leave….What?

That’s why I lost all my faith in the LFG tool. Too many people running whatever and joining or posting for speedruns. And then calling you names when you ask them WTH they are doing.

Yes, Tyria is the land of the play how I want as I tell you you have to let me play with you… people. =)

TheDaiBish.9735:

Ethics.4519:

Lol, now he’s defending the company by a completely hypothetical future maybe.

The LS has failed so far. The only reason activity is as high as it is right now is because of A ) Hype and B ) waiting on other releases coming soon.

By this logic then, we should go back to the hard Trinity of Tank, Healer and DPS, and go back to instanced raids instead of open-world fights, because the because the system we have now doesn’t work, and although there’s potential for improvement, it’s hypothetical.

Also, where was I defending the company exactly? All I said was because the LS doesn’t compare to an expac now (which I haven’t the slightest on how you’d consider that ‘defending’), doesn’t mean that it can’t. Saying that the LS can only be what it is now is a logical fallacy.

All I said was that the LS has failed. After the actions that of the company and the second chances, I’m not holding out anymore.

For the ‘defending’ thing, my apologies. You had a similar name of somebody else in a separate thread defending them.

robertul.3679:

It is immoral to waste other people’s time, especially for no good reason.

Keep in mind this applies both ways.

Nabrok.9023:

and in fact, they pretty much outright said that that’s what their plan is.

That’s subject to change of course.

Aeonblade.8709:

What’s absolute nonsense is defending something that clearly hasn’t worked and has actively driven the game population to a ghost town from lack of updates.

I haven’t participated in any temporary content since Aetherblade, and I don’t intend to ever again because it sucks the fun out of the game.

Most of us are waiting for a game update, preferably in my case the form of an expansion that actually gives the players something.

I completely agree. I only do the bad LS to get the shiny rewards then I move on. The tower was horrible and wasn’t fun. If I wanted to zerg crap all day I’d go WvW or open world bosses. At least WvW would have a point.

The fractured update has actually pushed me away from doing fractals. I only do it now if the guild is running it.

Tequatl isn’t new. He’s been in the game since launch. Sure the redesigned the fight, but that’s not an expansion, that’s fixing something that was broken. Not to mention there was much to be upset about that.

The only real, worthy thing that they added was fractals, and that brought in ascended level items which everybody was upset about.

The actual stuff that make people want expansions, aren’t there

Personally, knowing what I know now. I would go outside and do something else, waiting for certain other titles to be released.

DarcShriek.5829:

Ethics.4519:

DarcShriek.5829:

Ethics.4519:

Oh yeah. It makes it okay? Well, next time I have a project at work that isn’t done. I’ll just go in a week before hand and say “Hey, sometimes stuff gets pushed back”. I’m sure my manager would be perfectly happy about that.

Just as an FYI, it’s okay to like the game and still see fault in actions of the company.

I get projects that get pushed back all the time. Right now all my projects are being pushed back. My engineers are all busy on earlier projects, so my projects are getting pushed back. It’s quite common in this field.

I’m an engineer as well. I have had projects also pushed back. However my manager didn’t say “oh yeah, things are subject to change, no problem”. He wants to know what the issue is and what I’m planning on doing about it. An excuse like “well, some stuff came up” doesn’t really cut it.

Also, even though I know I brought the example (as others have), there are still differences in the relationship between customers/company and employee/boss.

Last time I checked neither you nor I were managers at Anet. They don’t owe us detailed explanations. It makes me sad that someone that claims to understand that projects do get pushed back takes such a hard line position on this issue. They don’t owe you anything, stop acting like they do.

They don’t owe me anything? I’m a customer. You’re a fool if you think a company doesn’t owe a customer anything.

With your logic, Arenanet could completely stop all production and work on updates and that would be fine, because they don’t owe you anything.

They could completely shut down servers so you can’t play anymore, and that’s fine because they don’t owe you anything.

Oh and last time I checked, I never claimed that you or I were managers there.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

robertul.3679:

I am aware that those groups take longer to fill but they are a new occurence from my point of view.
Also stating only Px on the lfg and then kicking people is a kitten move. You never stated any requirements beside the path number. This gives people the right to assume anything goes.

The pro’est thing to add to a LFG. Undesirables will be kicked. <— Example “Very Experienced. P1. Zerkers. Melee All bosses. Undesirables will be kicked.”

Yeah, I picked that up from you, and it works great. The other tip was to put the path in the middle or last, not first.

Unforunately when we only have 3 or 4 guildies, our LFG will look something like “Experienced. Know the mechanics. CoE any path, bad=kick”

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Flissy.4093:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

To answer OP’s question. I’d kick you for those Soldier runes. If you had Scholar runes, Full zerker trinkets and weapons. With 3 zerker armor and 3 knight armor. I’d let you stay, but I would assume you aren’t very good and would keep a close eye on you.(I’m very tough on other guards, since I love the class so much).

^ This guy is trying too hard to be an elitist.

PUG arah for two months every day p1-3, then come talk to me about not being elitist. The things you run into in PUG land will change anyone.

He’s not really trying. When you party with him and know what you’re doing, you appreciate the elitism. He’s saved me several headaches when some horrible PUG joins and other carebears don’t have the heart to kick them.

Also, it blocked hard because of the word you used after it =)

rogerwilko.6895:

Hello, a bit off-topic, a question from my part:
– I play a power necro. I plan to have ~3 knights pieces on my armor for a bit more suravility, the rest being zerk. Why do you guys say that more toughness is not worth it?
Thx.

Because in PvE, you can use damage avoidance skills and dodges to get around most damage.

DarcShriek.5829:

Ethics.4519:

Oh yeah. It makes it okay? Well, next time I have a project at work that isn’t done. I’ll just go in a week before hand and say “Hey, sometimes stuff gets pushed back”. I’m sure my manager would be perfectly happy about that.

Just as an FYI, it’s okay to like the game and still see fault in actions of the company.

I get projects that get pushed back all the time. Right now all my projects are being pushed back. My engineers are all busy on earlier projects, so my projects are getting pushed back. It’s quite common in this field.

I’m an engineer as well. I have had projects also pushed back. However my manager didn’t say “oh yeah, things are subject to change, no problem”. He wants to know what the issue is and what I’m planning on doing about it. An excuse like “well, some stuff came up” doesn’t really cut it.

Also, even though I know I brought the example (as others have), there are still differences in the relationship between customers/company and employee/boss.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Ethics.4519:

Also, if this is mainly for fractals, why isn’t fractals the only source to get it?

because “mainly” is not “solely”.

I guess I should have specified, that I meant if the stats were the same (like somebody mentioned earlier)

Why are we singly out just armor?

Maybe we should compare full exotic vs full ascended. Trinkets, armors, weapons.

Also, if this is mainly for fractals, why isn’t fractals the only source to get it?

Edit: To clarify, I was going off the idea that stats should be the same, just infusion slot, for the last point. Being that ascended jewelry was released with fractals and advertised with that content.

Tree.3916:

She looks like a spider just to let you know.

But…. very regal as well.

Plaide.9203:

Wow Rangers seem like the top of the chart ( The Chosen Ones ). Oh and to reply about what I perceived as the most hated profession, I would say it’s a profession whereby people see in PVP, WVW, SPVP, people will just wanna scold their balls out due to them being either really crap or really OP. P.S : Pardon my command of the language and I can’t reply much due to being in GMT+8 time

Based on this definition, I would say thief.

Not that I know of. If it helps, you can group them by hue instead of rarity.

Valanga.5942:

Yeah, you’d be right if the blogpost wasn’t their usual “we can’t hear you over the sound of our awesomeness”, full of “awesome” here, “epic” there and crap like that…
And of course if they didn’t broke promises, taken 180° turns on their original plans and so on…

Thank you. My biggest issue is that this is just another tick against them in there string of 180 degree turns, stealth nerfs, bad PR, etc.

I don’t really care that much that some of these weren’t in 2013 (well, the precursor one I did really want to happen) it’s just that it’s the same old story.

Anet promotes something flashy and cool. The majority buy into it. Anet fails and it’s not as good or doesn’t happen. Some people are upset, and other people argue that humans make mistakes.

TheDaiBish.9735:

Fror.2163:

No, they promised if all goes well. But you didn’t read/understood that. Not their fault you read only what you want!

I should have included a sarcasm tag. My apologies.

I personally understand that. Some in this thread doesn’t.

Ethics.4519:

Oh yeah. It makes it okay? Well, next time I have a project at work that isn’t done. I’ll just go in a week before hand and say “Hey, sometimes stuff gets pushed back”. I’m sure my manager would be perfectly happy about that.

Just as an FYI, it’s okay to like the game and still see fault in actions of the company.

I’d say it’s more like a client requests something, you give an estimate on how long it takes, and you let them know if certain things are going to take longer.

And yes, it’s ok to critisise and like. However, I feel most people in this thread are blowing things way, way out of proportion, to the point they ignore the fact that we were told certain bits wouldn’t make it in before the end of 2013.

Yes, I agree people in this thread are blowing things way, way out of proportion. I think the amount of blowing is equal on both sides.

Sirendor.1394:

Ethics.4519:

Sirendor.1394:

Alright and how many people have Eternity? 0,001%?

Correct, the company and the playerbase already said the minority doesn’t matter during the fractured patch.

It’s all about the majority. So just do your dailies, farm events & champs, and enjoy the game with the rest of the BHBs.

Sorry, but you put me in the wrong box of players. I hate dailies, I hate farm events and I hate champs even more. On the contrary I’m in favor of adding meaningful content.

Eternity (as all legendaries) is a prestige item, which happens to be available only to … farmers, tp flippers and a very small group of lucky people, because they’re the ones with enough gold for it.

“You” above was directed at the OP. He is the minority, which according you, developers, and the majority of the playerbase, isn’t worth the time for which to provide content, bug fixes, or QoL updates.

Oh yeah. It makes it okay? Well, next time I have a project at work that isn’t done. I’ll just go in a week before hand and say “Hey, sometimes stuff gets pushed back”. I’m sure my manager would be perfectly happy about that.

Just as an FYI, it’s okay to like the game and still see fault in actions of the company.

Sirendor.1394:

Alright and how many people have Eternity? 0,001%?

Correct, the company and the playerbase already said the minority doesn’t matter during the fractured patch.

It’s all about the majority. So just do your dailies, farm events & champs, and enjoy the game with the rest of the BHBs.

TheDaiBish.9735:

Ethics.4519:

Vol.7601:

Do I have to keep posting the disclaimer or are you guys going to conveniently ignore it?

•“As always, the content above is subject to change as we test and iterate on these systems.” *

That doesn’t really make it okay.

Why can’t THIS be the issue we have? It’s the face that they say all these things are coming, but then say they might, and they don’t. What’s the point of discussing them, when more often then not, it doesn’t happen.

Although my post was removed, I made some valid points about the overall feel the company gives off through posts, actions, and comments made which just makes the playerbase/customer feel let down. This whole “Here are a bunch of things we’re going to do in 2013” that don’t happen feels like just another item on the list. Not to mention the players repeatedly defending them with “Well, they didn’t give an actual deadline, and they said it was subject to change” is just sad.

> Something gets pushed it back to refine it and make sure it works properly, people complain about how promises weren’t kept.
> It gets rushed out of the door in order to meet the deadline so people don’t complain about how promises weren’t kept, people complain it’s been poorly implemented.

Not to mention that if they mention things might be pushed back, than people should accept that as a possibility, and not come with the torches and pitchforks about how they didn’t keep their ‘promises’ about implementing X, Y and Z.

You know, things can go wrong, or other ideas can pop up on how to improve something.

>An idea is created, shared, and implemented well, on time.

Interesting this was missing form your list =)

MasatoInohara.8697:

Oh , so warrior isnt good in World Pvp?

Warrior is good everywhere. Warrior is Anet’s poster child. You won’t receive any nerfs (at least significant ones) with this class.