Guild Wars 2

Anicetus.1253:

AC 1-3, (CM?), TA up/fw, SE 3, HotW 1-3, CoF 1-3, CoE 1-3, Arah 1-4.

You wouldn’t take a mesmer for any of Arah? What do you use on Lupi’s p2?

DigitalKirin.9714:

So I just had an epiphany.

Stacking in melee on monsters to negate their ranged attacks is the same as kiting to negate melee attacks from monsters.

Therefore, calling stacking on monsters like the spider queen in AC an exploit is essentially saying that anyone who kites or stays out of melee range of monsters an exploit.

Did that ephinany hit when you read my and another couple posts talking about the exact same thing?

Ben Newell.1759:

There is no leadership of the party, it is an ownership of the instance. Instance ownership is not tied to the party; you are effectively guesting into someone else’s instance, which is only allowed to members of the party. When the owner leaves the party, the instance is closed.

I’m just clarifying the way that it works. We are definitely listening to your feedback on how you would like things to work.

Hi Ben! It’s always lovely to see a dev post in the dungeon forums. So thanks.

I think this issue is that there are many people that feel like they are the leader, because they are the instance owner. I can’t tell you how many times somebody has been completely rude/arrogant because they know you can’t kick them, or else all your progress is lost. I’ve had people explicitly say “Screw you, I’m the dungeon owner, so I’ll do what I want, kick me if you wanna lose all the progress” In an ideal world these people wouldn’t exist…. but they do.

I know this is more of an issue with individual people, but it would be nice if there was a fix, such as just passing the instance to somebody else (might require a symbol or notification of who the new instance owner is).

You couldjust make a new character with a very similar name, and make it a charr, keeping your norn for the bday present.

Captain Swag.5893:

guanlongwucaii.3162:

posting in a “stacking is exploit” thread!

It isnt, but when it stops bosses from using their mechanics, it is.

Spot on! When are they going to do something with the Lupi range exploiting. When everybody is in range, Lupi wont slap you in P2. I mean come on, that’s exploiting his range mechanics! When is anet going to make people play the way I WANT to play?

hybrid.5027:

Konu.1826:

hybrid.5027:

Dredge fractal takes ~20 minutes at lvl48, which isn’t really that unreasonable

Problem is the increase in time beyond lvl 48. As I said earlier it reaches the point where you do a set of 3 fractals in equal time as just doing dredge.

I know, I’ve done dredge at 79. I think you’re exaggerating a little bit though. Clown car (on a good run) took us 15-20 minutes, if we wiped a few times it would take up to 30. Rest of the fractal totals to about 10 minutes, so it’s not really too bad. 25-40 minutes isn’t too bad really.

My guess is you run with a pretty optimized group that’s all on VOIP. I know not everything in this game should be catered towards casuals, but I would guess that only 5-10% of lvl 48 dredge are done in 15 minutes or less.

If the round were fun and engaging, I would be fine with it taking 20/30 minutes. It’s the fact that it’s just mindless killing just to have things respawn.

I mean the clown car? What’s the point? If you don’t wipe after the first 2/3 waves, you’re not going to wipe in the next 15 unless you make a horrible mistake.

Anicetus.1253:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Just giving my experiences here. When I’m running arah, I sometimes have to pug for the last spot. And if a necro joins. First questions “You switching you class?” If Answer is “no” then they get booted.

And @Ropechec Guards bring Reflects,Aegis blocks, team stability, blinds, Perma Protection if need be, Condi removal if need be, and kittenery.

Would you kick me from your arah run if i came as necro? I mean, would you really kick me? From an arah run?

From what I know of Chuck, yes.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Just giving my experiences here. When I’m running arah, I sometimes have to pug for the last spot. And if a necro joins. First questions “You switching you class?” If Answer is “no” then they get booted.

And @Ropechec Guards bring Reflects,Aegis blocks, team stability, blinds, Perma Protection if need be, Condi removal if need be, and kittenery.

Just wait till my necro hits 80 (my last profession to get there). I might have to switch from mesmer mid-run ;-)

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

(cant wait for the snarky ‘there is nothing prestigious about either’ comments)

I hate when you nullify my posts before I even respond =( Stupid null field.

shaidyn.4016:

No matter what the game developers do, there will always be a ‘hardest’, ‘longest’ and ‘most annoying’ dungeon/boss. And people will always complain about it. If the developers nerf said dungeon/boss, then something else will become the ‘hardest’, ‘longest’, ‘most annoying’, &c., and people will start to complain about that.

At a certain point, developers have to put their foot down and tell the player base “No”.

But if the dredge are over level 9000 and everything else is level 40, you can still tone it down. (Numbers based off an arbitrary scale rating to get my point across)

At some point the devs need to listen to the player base and say “ok guys, we got some work to do in dungeons”

zerotwo.4731:

Have you ever noticed the extra chests while jumping through the mad kings tower?
They open instantly and I always get a treat bag.

First round (last year) I believe they had an opening time, and was there to trick people.

Edit due to punishment: I don’t mean trick as in you get nothing. More of a distraction to people who were lagging behind a bit, and a reward for people or had enough time to open it.

This year you can instantly open it.

laharl.8435:

Guess since this is the l2p guardian thread.

I’ve been told in game a few time now that torch is the best guardian burst and that all dps guards should run it, I’ve also been seeing guards running torch more. I used it when I leveled for a while, but didn’t really see it as great. Is there something I don’t know about torch?

I’ve heard sword is one of the high DPS weapons for the guard. I think all offhands suck on the guard, so maybe they meant to use sword and just whatever for offhand.

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong (Like I even have to say that ;-)) but I main a mesmer and my guardian is used for staff farming PvE events, so yeah…

You can still do exactly what you were doing.

You want a legendary, therefore your own wants are requiring you to change the way you play. Nobody is forcing anything on you.

If you like dungeons doing fotm. Doing fotm levels under yours gives a lot of karma.

6400 + 8*x(y-x)=Karma where y is your personal reward level and x is the fotm level you’re doing.

Have you ever noticed there’s an incomplete jumping puzzle at the top of all AC stairs?

I just camp staff. My random bounces will keep up those silly zerkers.

Did any of you actually read what he wrote? He doesn’t care about the changes. He cares that they made the changes but didn’t annouce it. I’m the only person who actually replied on topic.

This is why the LFG system is failing, people can’t/refuse to read.

Tree.3916:

I agree with the OP. It would be cool if the cut scene’s were not able to be skipped. The developers put in a lot of time for those to be created and it is a shame people just want to skip them all the time.

I wish we could just ban all those exploiting scene skippers. It’s horrible people abuse the skip scene button just to get something done faster.

BaconCatTheGreasy.9542:

Path 3 no longer allows you to skip the bridge and also spawns crabs under the 2nd bridge so you can’t skip there either. I’m not fussed about the changes but would like to know why they were not put in the patch notes.

Awhile ago they said they will typically not announce exploit fixes, as it might make people aware, that weren’t aware, of those exploits. Those people then might start looking for other similar exploits.

No, I think it would be equal or less fun.

Sometimes skipping is fun. Leashing would remove that fun. It would turn into being forced to kill everything. Stacking and DPS would become even more important. Right now you HAVE the option to kill everything. So if you wanted to, then do it. But don’t force somebody to do it and call it more fun.

Digivolution.8029:

Ethics.4519:

How does it filter people who can actually read?

It’s not the tool, it’s the people who use it.

Edit: Still punished for 900sec. Agree with chuck. His descriptions are pretty spot on, letting the world know we are elistists scumbags before anybody even steps foot in the party =)

In gw2lfg you can’t just straight up click “Join” so it isn’t instant, you have to take time to copy and paste the name. And most of the time I’ve used it before this ingame lfg tool people actually read before entering name.

Copy/paste doesn’t require one to read. Like I said, it’s the user, not the tool.

How does it filter people who can actually read?

It’s not the tool, it’s the people who use it.

Edit: Still punished for 900sec. Agree with chuck. His descriptions are pretty spot on, letting the world know we are elistists scumbags before anybody even steps foot in the party =)

Turtle Dragon.9241:

Ethics.4519:

I’m confused. The moderator deleted the original post, but not the thread, leaving a quoted version of the original post?

Also, at turtle, I’m assuming you meant you buy gems to turn into gold to buy a legendary off the TP.

1$=4g. Depending on what legendary you want, I think most are going for 2000g-ish. So you’re looking at spending $500 for a legendary. Which I think getting $500 is harder than getting an ascended weapon, but that’s just my opinion.

There are certain people who have received their Legendaries through the mail as a “gift”. Nobody mentioned $500 for a Legendary or Gems>Gold, although that might be an option which is “as effective”. At least it is true that it would also take 5 minutes. There is a rumor that said people who received their Legendary by mail earned it by making a “donation” themselves to a certain cause whose sponsor is rumored to be in China. Of course, this is just a rumor.

I am not allowed to mention other player by names, but I know at least 1 person who received their Legendary as a “gift” by mail.

That’s still along the lines of buying with real money. On top of that, it’s obviously against the TOS so shouldn’t even hold place in this conversation

I’m confused. The moderator deleted the original post, but not the thread, leaving a quoted version of the original post?

Also, at turtle, I’m assuming you meant you buy gems to turn into gold to buy a legendary off the TP.

1$=4g. Depending on what legendary you want, I think most are going for 2000g-ish. So you’re looking at spending $500 for a legendary. Which I think getting $500 is harder than getting an ascended weapon, but that’s just my opinion.

LordByron.8369:

gw2 spidy is invalidating your point.
Inflation is in check ONLY for tp players.
Normal players have so many economy/grinding issues that you can find many topicsin each forum section.

Precursor
Crafting
Gem prices
T6

etc etc etc etc
And nonetheless ANET stepped in game economy more than once proof that economy doesn t work.
But for some misterious reasons they never “balance” tp profits.
As they made with basically everything else.

I forgot how much I never understand the points you are trying to make.

All I was saying was while, yes, TP flippers may be raising the prices of items, they are also raising the value of gold, which helps curb inflation. People who vendor, farm champ boxes, etc keep prices lower, however they lower the value of gold.

I can’t really answer all your questions, as I main a mesmer, and haven’t tried soloing him…. yet.

3) I believe a double dodge is sufficient. I would dodge back one and forward one, or vice versa, just so you don’t get too far away.

4) His tell for the “snot rain” is he grabs his chest. He bends forward a little bit and clutches his chest with both hands, crossing his arms.

5) I think the block on the shield will work for the aoe life drain. I’ve heard of warriors taking the 25% speed inc with melee weapon so they can get out faster.

Sanderinoa.8065:

noobgood.8762:

So what would be your argument to say it’s an obvious exploit (skipping)? My guildie said that you 1st never know which way in a dungeon was intended by Anet and 2nd you use “normal skills” to get there.

YOU ARE WALKING OVER THE DUNGEON’S CEILING,

and ya know, the fact that some classes cant do it, and that the objective kind of says you have to kill him(dont mention korga, just dont)

I disagree with the objective and class reasoning, but I agree with your very loud point.

To OP, I don’t think putting him into a wall is exploiting. It’s using landscape in order to force him to not use some of his range attacks, due to positioning. Some people might see it as being cheap, but not exploiting.

If you start going down the road of saying it’s exploiting because it makes it easier, well then you could say dodging is exploiting, as you are making it easier by avoiding a hit. Food is exploiting because your stats are higher, playing with a party of 5 is exploiting because it’s easier than 3, etc.

LordByron.8369:

i can say that economy is broken.

Some people will have to grind like hell making some TP flippers rich in the meantime….
I don t understand how this is tolerated, and i may be wrong but anet economist seems to either deny this or even worse supporting it….and never directly answered concern of players about it :|

The good thing is that at least once you have crafting to 500, and you have recovered from the hit, crafting weapons is not so expensive.

I think it’s a double sided sword. Flippers are making some of the prices go higher, however they are keeping inflation down. It’s people that are farming dungeons, mats, champ boxes, and selling to vendors that are keeping prices lower while at the same time increasing inflation.

Obtena.7952:

That’s a narrow perspective. It depends on the player; not everyone is using that as a crutch. If someone wants to learn and get better, they will. Their build isn’t a crutch that lets them limp through. It’s training wheels to get them to the next level. You should be pleased at that because it will take them to DPS builds.

For people that do use it as a crutch, you simply need to get over it. You seem to believe that what you think about that matters to those people. I bet it doesn’t.

In either case, I don’t see what would motivate a person to discourage either. The one guy is learning, the other guy doesn’t care. What more do you expect?

This has gone incredibly off topic and you use “you” way too much to figure out when you are actually talking to me and when you aren’t.

Original point: A good build on a bad player is better than a bad build on a bad player.

Black Box.9312:

Dub.1273:

Someone using a good build who doesn’t know how to play is still doing much better than someone using a trash build who doesn’t know how to play.

A dead zerker deals infinitely less DPS than a live player with a suboptimal build.

A dead zerker deals 100% less DPS than a live player.

However this might not matter. Using completely made-up numbers (Not saying it’s accurate, just trying to get my point across) I would rather play with a 400dps toon that is alive for 95% of the fight, rather than 100dps toon that is alive for 100% of the fight.

You can use everything to solo in PvE.

Ranger is very viable in PvP and WvW.

They are looked down upon in dungoens. They can do well if you play a sword/x ranger with frost spirit and spotter trait, with high dps pets like jaguar and birds, and micro-manage your pet well. Rangers are looked down upon because there are so many bad people playing this profession, they rock double bear/bow and provide little to the party.

Guardian will be most PUG friendly for dungeons. I think all of your 3 listed are good in PvP/WvW

Obtena.7952:

You didn’t understand. I didn’t say it’s not easy to learn. I’m saying you don’t just jump into a full DPS spec and perform at the highest levels of the game instantly. I don’t care how hard or easy it is because that varies from person to person … someone will still have to learn it, get comfortable with it, etc… In fact, you are parroting what I have said and disagreeing at the same time …. simply to be disagreeable?

The interesting part about reading these threads is there is a stigma that it’s not just about having a DPS build, it’s about HOW someone comes to the understanding it’s the best. All too often I see the promotion that newbies shouldn’t learn the class for themselves and just jump into the flavour of the month damage build to be pro.

You didn’t understand. We still don’t agree fully. I don’t think new players should use defensive builds/stats as a clutch in PvE. I think too many people start in mix gear and die too often. Instead of learning what they are supposed to do, they build defensively.

Edit: Somebody beat me to the point. That 900sec punishment has foiled me again

Obtena.7952:

^^ That’s debatable. If I’m with someone that doesn’t know how to play, my only expectation is that they don’t down. There is a lower risk of that with a non-DPS build.

Obviously, people lost perspective here again … you can’t ignore someone’s capability to run the gambit of builds. It might take a you days of play time but you don’t start of being top tier DPS PVE master. You have to get there. Only a few people can simply pick up the standard DPS gear and builds and go off running with that.

I 99% disagree. This game is incredibly easy to learn. It’s better to learn it the right way than the wrong way.

If somebody ACTUALLY wants to try to learn it, it’s kitten easy. If they just want to spam staff and feel cool by healing everybody…. well that’s different.

It’s just a look. It’s not required to play the game.

If you think the look is worth $10 then buy it. If you don’t, then move on.

Keep in mind a lot more people have a lot more money than you do.

My fiance loves her armor. People have different opinions.

Naduk.8750:

I give up. People here are not even trying to understand what I’m saying. I’ll wait for Arena reply my request.

We understand what you are saying. We are telling you you are wrong. And you are telling us that we are wrong about you being wrong.

RNG is RNG. Take off the tin foil.

I would say go with engi. It is a complex class to learn and requires a lot of switching/knowledge of your class. It has a high skill ceiling, but is worth it.

Thief is a little easier to get the hang of. There are some incredibly good thieves that know their class and do really well. However more often than not, you find a perma-stealth thieves or D/D backstab thief that are annoying and talentless.

Obran.6582:

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Bright.9160:

I heard this build is really strong and has some great potential.

LOL! “I didn’t go guardian just to make a glass cannon, that’s just ridiculous”

No sir, it’s called not sucking. That’s also when I stopped listening, and couldn’t take the “I’m too cool to put inflection in my voice” tone.

Wish I could help you, but I kinda despise guardian gameplay. I love having them in my party, I just couldn’t play one. But like everybody else is saying, stay away from subforum for any class =).

Are we ignoring the fact that atse necroed this year old thread for nothing?

JonPeters.5630:

• Symbol of Swiftness: This skill now applies 4 seconds of swiftness per pulse, rather than 8 seconds if you have no swiftness and 1 second if you have swiftness.

Can anything be done like this for the mesmer’s temporal curtain?

I think this would be too OP for small roamers.

This dungeon has extremely little replay value IMO.

The first time I ran it it was a blast. I was figuring out the mechanics and it was like solving a puzzle.

The 2nd and 3rd time it was just annoying. It was too long and the only reason I liked it in the first place was figuring out what to do.

Bright.9160:

a t s e.9614:

Why not ? The paths I listed above take more time than the others. Nobody will ever do CoF p3 for 1g , that would be ridiculous and same thing for HoTw paths , it’s a boredom : the bosses have 5 billion hp and they live underwater…
They need to buff the rewards of those paths.
I don’t knkw how long they take though , depends on your group.

I do : cof 1,2\ coe all \ ac 1,3\ se 1,3 \ arah 2 \ hotw 1 \ ta 1,2\
All of this fully pugged takes me around 4 hours
It may sound terrible but it’s not so bad .

This list is a lot more representative for time/skill taken per path.

I remember reading that post a couple of months ago when you made it and thought. “Yes, this Bright person knows what he/she is talking about”

Which, for lack of a better word, is uncommon on these forums.

Stop exploiting by playing your 80 all the time.

We had a pug quit in the middle. We 4 manned the rest of the dungeon. Sold the last slot. I don’t think that’s cancerous.

If people are okay with selling, and people are okay with buying, it’s fine.

Farming Flats.5370:

Ethics.4519:

There’s a lot of micromanaging of your pet, just to get lackluster DPS. However, if you want a more laid back playstyle, it might be for you.

It depend on how you build it … i have 6 lvl 80 and one of them is a Ranger. My Ranger is super fun to play and not a ‘’ laid back playstyle’‘.. i dont use bows. So i use Sword/Torch ( legendary Rodgort) and dual axes. 71% crit chance and 101% Crit damage. i can slice everything into pepperoni. Zephyr’s Speed is a amazing trait for a Sword Ranger.

Yes, it definitely depends how you play it. In a PvE dungeon the mesmer is expected to do a lot of things, and it’s very easy to notice when it’s not done. Lets look at CoF p1 for example.

1) Pull both mobs to the turret in the beginning
2) Feedback the mob from the 2nd turret hitting
3) Pull slave driver against the wall
4) Feedback slave driver if he’s still alive, protecting your party from effigy
5) Not necessary, but feedback 1 turret during the run
6) Portal your party past the boulders
7) Pop SOI for the warrior going to do console
8) Time warp the final boss
9) Watch for tell to feedback final boss.

The ranger has to:
1) Make sure spotter trait is turned on.
2) Keep up frost spirit

This is just one example. But I think it applies to most dungeons.

Nike.2631:

My Norn doesn’t show skin… just curves .

I LOVE your sig.

If you plan on doing fotm, just wait and put +5 AR in it.

Honestly the +5 power or precision isn’t really worth it. If you WvW look at the WvW infusion slots.

Also, 21precision=1%crit chance. So the infusion is 5/21 of a chance to crit, or about a quarter of 1%.

spiritus.7983:

What do you guys have in thowse pure zerker accesorys?

+5 AR

I would say mesmer, as it is my main (although I have all).

Mesmer is intense gameplay. You’re extremely valuable to your group, but you HAVE to know what you’re doing. You’re expected to do certain things like portal boulders in CoF p1, reflect OHK projecticles like Lupi in Arah, Veil the zerg or WvW, Hide and portal people in keeps if you get in, Mass invis if your teammate is getting stomped in PvP, etc. It’s intense, but very rewarding gameplay.

Ranger is rather looked down upon in PvE, especially for dungeons. I found the gameplay to be lackluster and boring for the most part. There’s a lot of micromanaging of your pet, just to get lackluster DPS. However, if you want a more laid back playstyle, it might be for you.

Edit: The movement speed is an issue. It sucks, but the class is so great I put up with it. If it hurts you too much, most mesmers recommend getting centaur runes to help. A 25% movement speed increase utility wouldn’t help, because we have so many great utilities, no way you’re gonna waste one. The focus is a fantastic weapon and can give you swiftness for 2/3 of the time, without any boon boost sigils/food.

OP, I think you’re reading some people as being rude/mean because this is one of the only decently challenging dungeons in the game, along with high level fotm. The majority whine about how hard dungeons are, so then Anet nerfs the living crap out of them, and the people who want a challenge are stuck to a select few. They promised us fotm with increasing difficulty, we hit the limit several months ago so now we twiddle our thumbs.

Anywho, back to arah, I used to think the same as you. I’m a good mesmer, so I tell myself, and thought I was awesome using PUG tactics. Chuck picked me up as a 5th for his Arah runs and showed me what actually to do. If you do it right, then the whole dungeon becomes less of a nightmare. It has surpassed COE as my favorite dungeon, but only with competent groups that know what they are doing.

Thieves are still very useful. Great party stealth, and if played right extremely high DPS. I wouldn’t refuse one from a party unless there were already 2.

They changed stealth aggro for mobs awhile ago.