Guild Wars 2

Tree.3916:

This thread is a repeat of the thousand other kicking threads. Please use the search function.

I think they were all moved to the suggestions thread. Since they are…. suggestions for Anet.

Hmmm, I have a suggestion for Anet. Should I put it in the suggestions thread where it may get seen and actually do something?

NOPE! To the dungeon forums! Hear me whine about you kicking me!

These posts still baffle me. Part of me feels bad if it’s actually true.

However, 1500+ hours and I have never been kicked from a single dungeon. This being said from somebody who will call out people and complain when they mess up.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Ethics.4519:

Stop being nice to each other and agreeing.

Where’d Floryn go?

PVT = new meta. Silly zerks, go home BHBs.

Hehehe. Let’s dungeon again mmmmk?

Yup! I got all night tonight ;-). Just let me grab my AC full PTV so I can go full elitist!

Different people find different things fun.

Let them do what they want to do. It just boils down to you being jealous of the achievement points, because if you didn’t care…. well then you wouldn’t care.

Everybody else’s answers are true if your group was doing it correctly.

When i go, I’ll have my 4 party members stack in the spot. I’ll grab all the spiders on my ele and bring them back. If my party messes up, there’s usually one PUG or something who doesn’t know to wait, and runs out following me.

Another thing is when you’re stacking, stay in the corner. I’ve seen PUGs that roll back and stay behind. They either do this because they don’t run forward when dodging, or they get low health and they are scared to die, so they try to get away. This causes the spider queen to use her range attack, which is the poison aoe that will wipe a stacking group.

As nice as this would be, I think it would create even more of a divide between “elite speed runners” and “BHBs”.

With that being said, I would not argue against it’s implementation.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

In Jade Maw, when you throw the charged crystals at Cthulhu, is the damage you do based on gear, or is it the same no matter what?

Example: does a soldier guard do as much damage to the Jade Maw (not the tentacles or the mobs) with the crystals as a full zerk guard?

Thank yoooou.

Very interesting question. I would also like to know.

Other than killing the tentacles/colussus faster, is zerk beneficial?

AntiGw.9367:

Nokaru.7831:

The funny thing is that even if they removed skipping, the good players will still clear everything ridiculously faster because they will have the most efficient builds for doing so.

Well this is what this whole discussion boils down to. Elitists feeling insecure and thinking that “rabble” is trying to handicap them so that they can’t clear dungeons faster.

The reality is, nobody cares that you clear them faster. We want a better game, not to make you do things slower.

The point he is making is these “elitist” zerkers you speak of, most likely won’t care that they did this. It will take a couple more minutes because they will find the most efficient way.

The baddies that whine and moan about stacking will get hurt. Instead of +10 minutes it will be +50 minutes. The casuals will complain about how long they take, and they will try to force their way into speedruns even more.

This thread has now gone a full circle. Yay! Too bad there is no block on the forums.

We do have an option to skip. The fact that we can, and anet doesn’t ban for exploiting, means we do.

I can’t read this thread anymore…. =( It hurts my heart too much.

lunyboy.8672:

Ethics.4519:

lunyboy.8672:

Ethics.4519:

lunyboy.8672:

If you are telling parties what to do over and over again and they are NOT LISTENING, and then posting on the forum how rude and obnoxious the zerkz are, perhaps it’s not the pugs that’s the problem.

I see this opposite. I would say “perhaps it’s not the zerk party that’s the problem”

I guess you would see it that way. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

We can do a back and forth all day, but that will help nothing. There are two scenarios

1) The zerker party is rude. They yell at the 1500 range ranger and tell him to melee. He says he only uses bows, so they call him a BHB and kick him.

2) An efficient group that may or may not be zerk. They say “Hey, do you mind stacking over here and getting a sword. You’re pulling the boss” So the ranger replies “I play how I want” Then he finishes the dungeon and comes on the forums to complain about how elitist zerk parites are.

I see the 2nd one more often than the first.

My guild pulls pugs all the time, and we have only ever kicked one guy after 100s of runs.

One. Mostly for being rude.

We ask nicely, and people are so happy to have the help understanding the mechanics or better ways of doing things, they happily oblige and thank us for the fast run and the help.

But I also don’t talk down to people about their builds on the forums, or act like mine is the only opinion that matters.

I never said you did. We’re talking about in game.

You gave one example to boost my point, and none to the other.

I believe some people that come in here saying that a zerker was rude to them (they probably joined a speedrun group) but I think it’s safe to say a lot are made up to get their point across.

I really…. really hope they read what you wrote Pheobe. I skimmed all of it reading maybe about 75-80% but I agree with everything I read.

lunyboy.8672:

Ethics.4519:

lunyboy.8672:

If you are telling parties what to do over and over again and they are NOT LISTENING, and then posting on the forum how rude and obnoxious the zerkz are, perhaps it’s not the pugs that’s the problem.

I see this opposite. I would say “perhaps it’s not the zerk party that’s the problem”

I guess you would see it that way. Maybe that’s part of the problem.

We can do a back and forth all day, but that will help nothing. There are two scenarios

1) The zerker party is rude. They yell at the 1500 range ranger and tell him to melee. He says he only uses bows, so they call him a BHB and kick him.

2) An efficient group that may or may not be zerk. They say “Hey, do you mind stacking over here and getting a sword. You’re pulling the boss” So the ranger replies “I play how I want” Then he finishes the dungeon and comes on the forums to complain about how elitist zerk parites are.

I see the 2nd one more often than the first.

I am unhappy with the mesmer changes, or rather the proposed ones. It seems that other classes are getting a small make over with some other hinted changes for when the patch hits.

Mesmers are getting two small changes and that’s it.

Buffing shout warriors? REALLY? We get it, anet LOVES warriors. Enough already.

clint.5681:

The day i can be a guard/warrior my life will be complete. Or a Gaurd/thief or a Thief/Mes

Or a Ranger/Necro (My main in Gw1)

Guardian/Ele. Give me ALL the clerics!

lunyboy.8672:

If you are telling parties what to do over and over again and they are NOT LISTENING, and then posting on the forum how rude and obnoxious the zerkz are, perhaps it’s not the pugs that’s the problem.

I see this opposite. I would say “perhaps it’s not the zerk party that’s the problem”

Linguistically Inept.6583:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Luke.2643:

If you stand inside his circle poison darts wont hit you. Positioning can be tricky though, especially with a big norn^^

I always laugh at how many people don’t know about this given how easy it is to do.

whenever i try it i get insta killed (i know its possible; i just never get the location right)

I have gotten the spot once. maybe fotm 12/14?

I usually call dibs on a crystal, dust off the shiney greatsword, and drop TW while I beam tom slowly…. very…. very slowly to death.

I run dungeons all the time. A 5 mesmer would be great.

JK. I have a warrior as well. I’ll scream TW until there are 4 purple bubbles making me attack faster.

I’m not a huge fan of prismatic unless I’m in WvW.

For PvP I’d rather put 10 into illusions for 33% longer confusion.

That’s my not at all expert opinion.

Nope. My comment applies to your whole post. If you’re specifically talking about roles, you worded your 2nd paragraph poorly.

Going straight zerk/dps, there are tons of tells and animations that you have to look out for. More so than if you’re a support/control class as those usually bring some auto regen or healing.

panzer.6034:

Warcry.1596:

Galtrix.7369:

My Elementalist has 104% critical hit chance and about the same power. I die so quickly in any type of PvP mode, it’s not even funny.

This coming from the guy who will report “anyone running full Berserker and kicking those that don’t?”

Wait… he reports anyone running full Berserker but also kicks those that don’t? So he hates everyone?

He reports people that kick him for running cleric’s gear, and without knowledge either way assumes they are running zerk.

Also suggests that everybody else do the same.

There are pros and cons.

Anet wants you to have alts. They want you to buy character slots so they can get gem sales.

However, they know a lot of people won’t be making alts, so they don’t want those people to feel like they are missing out just because they don’t have alts.

Anet seems to walk a fine line between making it slightly beneficial to have alts, but not too beneficial. There are still a lot of cons in most areas.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

He’s talking about “roles” and stuff. There’s a lot of ways to react to something than just dodging.

Look at what I quoted. “Defensive aspects of…” That’s regardless of roles.

Dodge is something that can be done that is a reaction to mobs, that isn’t classified as a CC or support action.

MrIllusion.5304:

For starters I’d like some colour differentiation between downed and defeated players.

Then prioritise down players over defeated players. At least for pve, once players realise they aren’t getting rezzed they’ll buck up and actually start waypointing.

Priority of downed vs dead would help a tremedous amount in Teq.

Dresden.1736:

Ethics.4519:

Very little today is truly random. Computer simulations are also not random, but enough random that we can consider them so.

People like OP see a slight change and freak out, not realizing that 5 of something is too small of a sample when the population is infinite.

There’s no denying a small population is inadequate to properly gauge the average, I agree. And my responses weren’t an attempt to validate his conclusion, either. It was simply to invalidate those who are so easily willing to dismiss the idea that loot tables constantly change. I’ve created dynamic models for loot tables which measure inventory and adjust on a BiC scale, so it doesn’t even require manual intervention.

I believe I was agreeing with you, or at least trying to.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Ethics.4519:

Vox Hollow.2736:

Without the defensive aspects of support and control, there’s no element of reacting to the mob you’re fighting.

Dodge

Sorry I didn’t mean to incorrectly correct the point you were trying to make

FTFY

This is too vague and serves no purpose.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

no one takes notice because it hasn’t healed anyone.

The more I notice I’m getting healed, the more I will tend to kick somebody.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

What is juking?

Juking: When you jump and throw up at the same time.

Usage: My friend bet I couldn’t drink a gallon of milk while playing hop scotch. I ended up juking all over his face.

Also, less commonly used, refers to a person faking one direction and quickly moving the other way.

Dresden.1736:

What they also fail to understand is that loot IS NOT random in any technical or literal sense.

Very little today is truly random. Computer simulations are also not random, but enough random that we can consider them so.

People like OP see a slight change and freak out, not realizing that 5 of something is too small of a sample when the population is infinite.

ilr.9675:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17xn5fvka8ljzjpg/original.jpg

…hard to stay mad at that rascal.

But teaching its owner anything useful would take weeks. All of the other ranger weapons just aren’t Pizazzzy enough. They completely lack Pizazz. In Gw1 you could roll Daggers & abuse expertise for some really pizazzy pizazz. And ya looked pizazzy doing it too b/c you also blocked everything even when locked in longer animations.

Every other weapon for them in this game is just way too much work for such meager Pizazz.

This is my ranger’s bear

skullmount.1758:

I disagree with it completely, its in there for a reason. If anything needs to be removed is the kitten stealthed stomps.

Even as a mesmer I’m fine with this.

If they want to waste stealth, stability, and quickness on a stomp, let them.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Darn it I want to be a bear placed into the right century. Mmmm… Zojja!

Lol, she’s the perfect height for humans. And the top of her head is rather flat so you can place your beer there.

What were we talking about? BHBs? Stacking/exploiting? I don’t know. They already think we kick them automatically so we might as well start doing that

Vox Hollow.2736:

Dodging is like juking.
It’s just there to make executing your role harder, not define what your role is.

I don’t even know what means.

Warcry.1596:

Galtrix.7369:

My Elementalist has 104% critical hit chance and about the same power. I die so quickly in any type of PvP mode, it’s not even funny.

This coming from the guy who will report “anyone running full Berserker and kicking those that don’t?”

Don’t forget his argument was anet agreed with that mentality because they didn’t block the thread.

Then it was blocked.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Poor bears. I honestly Just feel bad for the pets in this situation.

They really are brave and noble, but the peasants of Tyria look down upon them.

It’s like the quote from Sin City:

Most people think [Bear] is [crappy]. He just had the rotten luck of being born in the wrong century. He’d be right at home on some ancient battlefield [mauling] into somebody’s face. Or in a Roman arena, taking his [paw] to other gladiators like him. They woulda tossed him girls like [Zojja] back then.

Bismuth.3165:

It’d make sense if they cancelled ressing in wvw or spvp, but not in pve.

This! It needs to get out of wvw.

If you have 15 vs 45. The 45 can just run circles and pick up their dead, even if you are superior in combat than they are.

in blob v blob, you almost never “wear down” your opponent unless it’s in regards to siege. You usually either crush them with a quick burst, or lure them somewhere and rush them.

So far this is what’s going on.

AntiGW: “Blanket inaccurate statement with no background or point”
Nike: “Evidence refuting the arguement”
AntiGW: “I’m right and you’re a poopey head!”
Nike: shakes head

Vox Hollow.2736:

Without the defensive aspects of support and control, there’s no element of reacting to the mob you’re fighting.

Dodge

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

notebene.3190:

TriPleEM.4873:

Please stop kicking random people from the LFG-Tool who sell legally their run. At least check the run out whether exploits/skips were used or not. Thanks.

I’m not following the order of action here, or maybe I just don’t understand how the tool works, or how ‘selling’ your dungeon run works? And then…how someone kicks you? Are you selling spots in your own group to ‘escort’ people through a dungeon? That’s actually kinda cool, if I could afford it, as I’ll need some help with Arah some day if I get The Legend and it seems like ‘everyone’ advertises ‘experienced only’ on those runs.

But then…how would we kick you? You can kick the party leader out of their own party?

I’m not understanding the mechanics.

You basically solo the dungeon and then stop before the last boss and invite people who are interested in “buying”. They pay you, you kill the last boss, the dungeon completes and they get all the completion rewards (gold, tokens, experience, karma, fragments, Dungeon Master, etc.) just by virtue of being in the dungeon with you.

It’s a good way for people who aren’t good at dungeons to get tokens for difficult ones like Arah, or just to get free fragments and experience.

And the issue is that white knight protectors of the realm would join the group, and kick the person selling, most likely the one who started the instance.

Anybody can get kicked from the party, all it takes is one person to suggest the kick, and one other person in the party to agree. Then the instance is over, and that seller loses the hardwork of doing the dungeon up to that point.

I guess some sellers started protecting themselves by only adding one person. But then that counts down on profit a lot.

Being somebody who fequents the dungeon forums, and specifically enjoys dungeons the most, I feel like this is just a lie.

There has been absolutely NO communication in those forums. The one developer that actually was interested, is gone. Everybody was eaten up by living world, and here I am not giving a crap about content that will be gone in a couple of weeks. Too many promises broken, too many excuses made. I still enjoy the game, but I’m tired of these broken promises.

RIP in peace Robert.

Forkada.8376:

So before the Patch " Better tequatl loot" my guild have 4-6 acsendent weapons from him evry event. We killing him 15+ times and alwasy 4-6 weapons. 100+ ppl from 1 guild.
After patch we kill him about 5-7 times 0 Weapons. Its your better tequatl revard?

RNG is RNG.

Anecdotal stories are anecdotal.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

Ethics.4519:

Just like Lanfear said, I wouldn’t worry about it too much. There are instances like this all over GW2.

Who knows, maybe even one day we can pick two classes, like GW1

Is Guild Wars 1 gonna stay open or will it be closing soon ? I might check it out because I’ve never played it.

There has been nothing hinting or implying that the servers will be closing any time in the near future.

In fact I would say the opposite. Just last week I decided to instal and log on. I couldn’t remember my name/password so I emailed support. They got back to me within a day, had a back and forth conversation, and reset my password.

So, the support is still very much there. (It’s possible it’s the same support, so not sure)

Mesket.5728:

Ethics.4519:

Mesket.5728:

Pugging will always be pugging… there is no difference in using this tool or spaming LA. Blaming the tool for having bad players in the group is wrong. If you are sooo skilled, then teach players instead of ranting and saying the LFG tool failed.

I 75% agree with you. I wouldn’t say the tool failed, but it could be better.

I don’t mind teaching sometimes. But there will always be the new/bad player that doesn’t want to be taught, or will even get angry.

I don’t know how much better it can get… people suggests filters but its not like there is a flood of parties to pick; there are just a bunch or 1-2 for certain dungeons. It seems pretty simple and it does its job, at least for me; i can’t talk for others.

Regarding players not wanting to learn, that depends of they are being taught. If an experienced player teach others the mechanic of the dungeons, the boss skills, what to dodge, what to reflect, what to clean, etc… I don’t see why anyone would have a problem… Another thing is when some elitist kids come here and say “use zerk – why? – cause its better, huh” or kids yelling in caps “STACK HERE!!! COME NOOBS HERE!!! STACK!!! YOU KNOW NOTHIN!!!” well.. nobody wants to be taught like that, besides its not really teaching anything.

In an ideal world yes. But you are using logic and reasoning, two things that I have found to be shorter supply in tyria than expected.

Also… this:

Oxxy.7068:

I won’t teach anyone unless they ask for my opinion… why?
It usually goes like this:
Me: Just melee it, it is faster that way. Be careful when he ra-
Pug: No need, lets just range.

I pugged a 38 fotm. I use strife’s strategy for the two arm seals where he portals one side, group runs over, kills, he gets a charge, portals, hits, then come back.

I asked if they wanted to try, they said “what is it?” I told them exactly what to do, etc. As I was clarifying the important parts, one guy said “Na, lets do target” then runs in and starts it. Eventhough the rest of the group wanted to try Strifey’s way.

From my understanding, the average from a rare was 1.4 ecto/rare with BLSK and 0.9 ecto/rare with mystic/master’s.

If you used mystic/masters instead of BLSK, it would probably be worth it to do rares over exotics, assuming you have to buy your BLSK.

GoldenTruth.2853:

Linguistically Inept.6583:

why did you block out your gold?

Because it would be embarrassing to show how little gold he has after running fotm for 250 complete cycles.

Lol! Don’t forget wasting resources on making that shiny backpiece.

Not making fun… I did it too =(

Mesket.5728:

Pugging will always be pugging… there is no difference in using this tool or spaming LA. Blaming the tool for having bad players in the group is wrong. If you are sooo skilled, then teach players instead of ranting and saying the LFG tool failed.

I 75% agree with you. I wouldn’t say the tool failed, but it could be better.

I don’t mind teaching sometimes. But there will always be the new/bad player that doesn’t want to be taught, or will even get angry.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

TA is my favorite. I desperately miss f/u. I think my least favorite Dungeon is cof. I’m a charr racist.

You gotta stop this. We are way too similar.

I’ve gone from calling myself a charr racist to charrist.

I have 8 toons, you know there’s not a single charr.

Raven.3248:

Ethics.4519:

Raven.3248:

All the PUGs are just exploiting.

Raven uses veil. It’s not very effective.

Hey man you dont know me

Lol. Subtle edit, but I already quoted in!

I hate hotw, I rarely do it. p1 occasionally, even that is boring though.

I like AC p1 & p3, p2 is alright if I’m on voip with the guild.

I’ve never gotten into CM. I have dungeon master, but I rarely ever do CM.

swiftpaw.6397:

Why cant I post on the forums how I want?

huh? HUH?!?! Isn’t that want you want casuals?

FOR ME TO DO WHAT I WANT?!?!?

>:(

You still can. BHBs just get BH and report.

Edit: I have taken a wild guess at what BHB actually stands for. My previous statement may or may not make sense.

Raven.3248:

All the PUGs are just exploiting.

Raven uses veil. It’s not very effective.

AntiGw.9367:

So what you are saying is, they tried to fix this problem in GW2, and their solution wasn’t perfect.

And that also shows that it is in fact considered to be a problem by Arena.net, for all those who still somehow doubt that.