Guild Wars 2

Pirlipat.2479:

Oh don’t worry, I don’t feel like a martyr, I only think it is pretty enlightening about what this community becomes.

We finally agree on something ;-)

Sytakan.8596:

Teege.4623:

The storyline/characters here will cause her confusion not sadness, so that’s a plus, I think. Other than that, Ethics summed up a few things nicely. There’s a world to explore, the Heart objectives are little little quests. Does she like gear progression, farming/grinding champions/materials?

She does like gear progression. One issue she had with Rift was how most gear looked the same as last thing she just had, so she didn’t have a strong feeling of getting stronger.

She’s fine with grinding. In fact, her favorite thing to do in MMO’s is to work the Auction House. I’ve seen her make tens of thousands of gold in a single day in the WoW auction house, all while cackling madly.

You should have said this initially =) She will absolutely love this game then.

Playing the TP is a game in it’s own.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Ethics.4519:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I salvaged 7 exotics yesterday, zero DM (Master’s Kit). Not exactly a robust drop rate.

I salvaged one with a BLSK and got 3 DMs

Have you (or has anyone) observed a trend of better results with BLSK’s than MK? I’m curious.

My sample size is 1 salvage. So no, I have not noticed a trend of any kind =)

Pirlipat.2479:

This is exactely the thing I’m talking about. Until today I assumed that this kind of speedrun fast efficent blabla was some kind of exception. Yep, I’m badly mistaken, I see. Don’t worry I don’t PUG with anyone. I have my own bias with the social competences of PUG players. One really positive experience made me nearly throw that over board. To early as I see now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr_complex

It depends what she wants to do in the game. Honestly, she probably won’t like it.

PvE dungoens don’t have a slot for tank/healer. It’s all about DPS.
WvW involves a little more group comp. She may like WvW as it doeesn’t require extremely fast reflexes.
sPvP actually has tank/healer roles in the form a bunker build. You mainly just try to stay alive while holding a point. However this requires great reflexes and timing.

With that being said, DPS doesn’t revovle around twitch reflexes. DPS in dungeons is usually about stacking the mobs up, sharing might/fury, and beating the crap out of the enemy.

TL;DR She can’t tank/heal, but DPS doesn’t require twitch reflexes.

Brother Grimm.5176:

The only REAL issue for the Ranger class is the Pet mechanic itself. Not a big deal in many situations, but full on kitten in most Dungeon situations. Pets have no method to avoid big or prolonged damage so they die and kitten the Ranger. Avoiding Rangers in general because of bad players is just ignorant.

Not really. It’s actually ignorant to do the opposite.

If you know 90% of something’s population is bad, and you have the option of picking between that and something that has a 10% bad population, knowing nothing else, what would you pick?

Obviously the numbers are made up, but it’s to disprove your last statement.

Example:
I have two bags, blue and red. Both have 20 tomatoes in it. 90% of bag blue has rotten tomatoes. 10% of bag red has rotten tomatoes.

If you want a good tomatoe, which bag would you blindly pick from?

Pirlipat.2479:

Pff, at least label your groups properly. -.-

Just because I don’t label something as a ‘speedrun’ doesn’t mean I want to carry your low level toon through the dungeon.

I still want my group to be fast and efficient.

YOU should label YOUR groups properly.

Pirlipat.2479:

So, ok I got a lvl 80. Looking at the lfg-tool I assumed that any group which isn’t labeled to be a speedrun-group (which is more then half of the Groups anyway) is open for everyone. Well obviously it is not and it is some kind of lese majesty to even join it if you don’t have a lvl 80. Everyone lower should just stick to the lowlvl pariahs because even if not explictely labeled it is insulting to assume that there could be people who play for fun. Thanks alot you guys made it clear. Elitism is running the game now.

We don’t have to play your way.

Baddies whining about people not playing the way they want are ‘running’ the game now.

I would vote mesmer. My bias is I main a mesmer.

2- GS is terribad on mesmer.

3 – dual pistols is terribad on thief

Tree.3916:

I want tribulation mode in all dungeons!

Except it only kills people in zerk gear.

In fact, it removes gold and gives it to the person in the party with the most clerics, to make up for all the gold you made exploting stacking.

Antara.3189:

Ethics.4519:

Antara.3189:

Ethics.4519:

Vorch.2985:

Alt friendly in everything except WvW (ranks) and FotM (levels).

Everything outside of FotM 21+ can be done without an emphasis on ascended gear.

I have 13 alts with full exotics and some ascended trinkets spread here and there.

Laurels, dailies, dungeon tokens, legendaries, character slots, inventory upgrades, dyes.

There are more things than just wvw and fotm.

Laurels are account bount (ALT Friendly), Dungeon tokens are Account Bound, Dailes are account bound, Character slots? (No Comment),
The others are not alt friendly, I agree.

Laurels are time gated. Therefore they are not alt-friendly. I could play 24 hours a day and only get 1 laurel a day. I need laurels to get ascended items for my characters. I could also use them for dyes ( also not alt friendly) and t6 crafting mats for crafting.

Dungeon tokens are reduced from account, not character. If I run 3 paths on my main, then 3 paths on my alt, I should get the same tokens on each. However I don’t.

Dailies provide XP for one. I could do the same activity that I already did on my main, and not get the XP.

If you dont have a comment for character slots, then don’t put a comment.

Laurels being time effects 1 character as it does many, so I see that as irrelevant. You also can get Laurels from AP chests.

I thought dungeon token rewards per path were not account bound? I looked through the patch notes but did not see this. I know gold per path is. But regardless it’s the same as laurels, whether you have 1 character or multiple, you are gated to once a day on rewards per path.

However, you need laurels to get ascended gear. It may take you one month to gear up one character. Even if I played twice as much as you (4hrs a day instead of 2) it would take me two months to gear up two toons.

Except dungeon tokens can be used to gear players. So if I want two sets of AC gear (since I have two characters) it will take me twice as long, even if I play twice as much as you do a day.

Calendar gating is extremely alt-unfriendly no matter how much you try to spin it.

Almost every area of the game, it is a lot more rewarding to have one main character, and explicitly play that character. This does not include sPvP

Lokki.1092:

Pirlipat.2479:

Lokki.1092:

Ethics.4519:

Those that quit are the ones looking to be carried, but then whine that 80s won’t take them.

The OP wants people to stop their speed farms, stop their profits and have fun by being nice and sharing with everyone. Namely himself who is a level 35 all green (I hope at least) wearing character who. Will be inferior in every way to even a level 40 character.

Maybe you should read the opening post before you spread your bias all over the place. Where exactely do you read he was looking for 80ies to get dragged through? He was joining a group which wasn’t labeled to be speedrun or something.

Looking for 80ies to get dragged through? I didn’t say that did you read what you quoted? Everything I said there was taken right out of the OP. Yes, I assumed that he was wearing the best gear for that level which I said was an assumption. and it is completely true that a level 40 character (if we make the exact same assumption) is in fact a stronger character.

A few weeks ago I started a new Character …. at lvl 35 I wanted to go into Dungeons and then everything began…. I got kicked out, insulted etc.. when I dared to join a Group for AC at lvl 35….
…
People have to accept that its a Game and that profit is not the most important thing.. It should be fun which is bigger if you share it with others….

To put it in a nutshell: STOP kicking lower levels out of your groups, just because it will take 10 minutes longer…. Lets be a good community and be friendly to everyone!!!

So Other than correcting you I cant really respond to your post because it was completely off base.

Right on brotha!

@Pirlipat “Maybe you should read the opening post before you spread your bias all over the place.”

coronaas.4362:

LOS has never been used in an mmo ever

Obviously it has, but only as an exploit used by elitist.

Emanuel.9781:

Ethics.4519:

Linguistically Inept.6583:

viciouspike.8624:

Then I guess my next question:

Are ruby orbs ever worth using?

if you cant afford scholars

Phantasm mesmers (which I am) would benefit from ruby. The 10% damage (afaik) does not apply to phantasms.

Refer to my post above.

Thanks for pointing that out. I skimmed through and didn’t see anything.

I guess since I have two conflicting sources, I’ll have to test it out for myself.

Antara.3189:

Ethics.4519:

Vorch.2985:

Alt friendly in everything except WvW (ranks) and FotM (levels).

Everything outside of FotM 21+ can be done without an emphasis on ascended gear.

I have 13 alts with full exotics and some ascended trinkets spread here and there.

Laurels, dailies, dungeon tokens, legendaries, character slots, inventory upgrades, dyes.

There are more things than just wvw and fotm.

Laurels are account bount (ALT Friendly), Dungeon tokens are Account Bound, Dailes are account bound, Character slots? (No Comment),
The others are not alt friendly, I agree.

Laurels are time gated. Therefore they are not alt-friendly. I could play 24 hours a day and only get 1 laurel a day. I need laurels to get ascended items for my characters. I could also use them for dyes ( also not alt friendly) and t6 crafting mats for crafting.

Dungeon tokens are reduced from account, not character. If I run 3 paths on my main, then 3 paths on my alt, I should get the same tokens on each. However I don’t.

Dailies provide XP for one. I could do the same activity that I already did on my main, and not get the XP.

If you dont have a comment for character slots, then don’t put a comment.

LONGA.1652:

While the group that kick me obviously have a thief running 3 signets build with full berserk armor.Who didn’t start the party and most likely to be the guy that start the vote kick.

Please don’t expect PuG to carry you with zero communication.

I want him in my party. As long as it’s not P/P &SB.

I never expect PuGs to carry me… ever.

Vorch.2985:

Alt friendly in everything except WvW (ranks) and FotM (levels).

Everything outside of FotM 21+ can be done without an emphasis on ascended gear.

I have 13 alts with full exotics and some ascended trinkets spread here and there.

Laurels, dailies, dungeon tokens, legendaries, character slots, inventory upgrades, dyes.

There are more things than just wvw and fotm.

Linguistically Inept.6583:

viciouspike.8624:

Then I guess my next question:

Are ruby orbs ever worth using?

if you cant afford scholars

Phantasm mesmers (which I am) would benefit from ruby. The 10% damage (afaik) does not apply to phantasms.

Tagus Eleuthera.7305:

I’ve had better luck salvaging exotic weapons over exotic armor. In fact, all 20 I’ve got so far came from weapons, while I’m 0/10ish on armor. Small sample size, I know.

Even with that small sample size, it’s still valid as all/nothing type of viewpoint.

My DM came from an account-bound backpiece from fotm chest.

laokoko.7403:

^ Yes I do AC run. All I put is “35+ exp”. It is usually filled in 5 minutes.

And only reason it take 5 minutes is because low level avoid low level group. And many of them just join and left imediately when they see everyone is low level.

Not only that. Many of them rage quit when the group wipe a few times.

I have only failed 1 AC low level group, and that is only because I’m new to the LFG tool and is confused on how to refill the group when people rage quit.

Those that quit are the ones looking to be carried, but then whine that 80s won’t take them.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Katz.5143:

It would be a great idea to concentrate people leveling together. I’m not sure how you would decide which server or how you would get the word out to people, especially new people.

This is EXACTLY why the solution is for those vets wanting to run Champ Train to have a dedicated Server to meet….not the other way around. This suggestion is the opposite of what makes actual sense.

I think you’re way too focused on the champ train thing.

The main huge benefit of this leveling server would be that everybody leveling would be in the same area. You can do events faster, kill things faster, level together. Thats what the game is all about leveling wise. It loses it’s focus after most people hit 80 and don’t make alts. I have several alts, and usuall level alone, soloing hearts and events because I’m the only one in the map (not queensdale)

The downside is that it would be hard to communicate to new players what that server is. It would have to be endorsed by Anet.

The other idea would be if we create a guild that has a Herald in each server. Whenever that person goes into LA, they could recruit and send out an advertisement saying something like “Trying to level? Join our guild and/or guest to the unofficial leveling server [insert server here] to group up with other people leveling!”

If this gets going, I volunteer as BG Herald.

Broadicea.8294:

LONGA.1652:

If you’re not running reflects on Malrona you deserve a fiery agonizing torment for all eternity in the depths of Hades

and an insta-kick, of course

Why should he have to change his utilities so that it will save the group from getting hit and damage the boss more. Are you so elite that you can’t let him play the way he wants to play? Why should the boss die 5 min faster just so you can farm gold?

/s

Winzzy.9435:

Its sad when people lives are such a mess of hurt and failed expectations that they lash out at other on the internet anonymously… Even worse that they gather around each other to feed off of each others own misery.

Pathetic.

With an attitude like this, I have absolutely no clue why somebody may have kicked you.

Wukunlin.8461:

lol guys, seriously…

=^.^=

The build seems decent for what it’s designed to do, but what it’s designed to do doesn’t really make sense. If you’re trying to annoy somebody, you would be better off going bunker and fighting on point.

Yes, you might tie somebody up, but you’re also tying yourself up. So you seem to be looking at it as “Yeah, I’m bringing one of their players out of the fight and off point”…. but so are you.

PvE: Dungeons: Phantasm or shatter, but not both. Either way, in dungeons, your GS should see no more than 10% usage. Sword/focus & Sword/Sword(or pistol).

PvE: Open world. Do whatever you want, doesn’t really matter. Take GS to help tag. Take a “shantasm” build for Aoe tagging, doesn’t matter. It’s all better than spamming 1 with a guard staff.

I’m pretty sure what’s being asked is can a flawless power mesmer beat a flawless thief.

Good tips from mambastik. I loved running scepter+torch/staff when glamour build was viable. Once I’m bored maybe I’ll try your style out.

Make your own group. “Non-80s welcome”

Bam, no need to whine on the forums.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I salvaged 7 exotics yesterday, zero DM (Master’s Kit). Not exactly a robust drop rate.

I salvaged one with a BLSK and got 3 DMs

The time is game time, not real time. AKA if you’re on your character the minutes will tick away with real life minutes. However, once you log off or switch characters, the time will freeze.

The Boss.3825:

Also, I’ve watched several roaming condi engineer videos and there seems to be some hate towards them. Any idea why?

They are incredibly powerful for roaming I believe. The hate stems from not understanding how they fight.

The bad people will try to burst them down immediately, getting blocked and not succeeding, then die from the conditions/confusion that was placed on them.

Same thing that happened to mesmer. I DON"T UNDERSTAND CLONES! HAX!

Bunmaster.9734:

@ Ethics.

How about i bring a class just to annoy you for the sake of annoying you in a dungeon? Bringing a naked GS mesmer to KB everything you just pulled into a nice ball. Or spam LB #4 on my bearbow, knock everything about of your blind fields, force you to chase them. Bring a masterwork AH clerics guardian, aggro everything and pull them to the group? I am going to make your CoF P1 a 2 hour run, just for the sake of proving how bad i can be when i choose to.
Ignore all your pleas to stop and listen, we will see who kicks who.

It’s not telling other how to play, it’s giving advice on not to do the wrong thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

It was pretty thick. I’m not sure how you missed it.

It is not alt-friendly.

Engineer is strong in sPvP. There are two main viable builds. One is a bunker build. They mainly stand on home point or mid point and try to hold that until there are reinforcements. This build has very high regen/healing along with automatic protection whenever you have knocked down, stunned, immob, etc.

The other more roaming build would be condition grenade build. I didn’t much care for this build, but I think it’s very strong when in 2v2 or 3v3 fighting over a point. There’s a lot of AoE and conditions.

PvE they seem to be a little weaker. It really depends what you want to do in PvE. But engineers usually aren’t a highly desired class for dungeons. Pure PUGs will probably view it as a tier C class, while coordinated groups might view it as Tier B.

It’s almost like there are different people with different personalities playing this game. It’s so weird.

colesy.8490:

No other class can give 150+ precision (except warrior banner of discipline), and no other class has a skill that gives the group a flat out 10%+ damage boost.

I’m not saying they’re amazing, but they do have their uses. As another plus for whirling defense, it stacks (10) vulnerablity in addition to 5 seconds of projectile reflection.

The problem isn’t with the class, it’s to do with the fact that basically every pug ranger ever is an awful wrongbow/bear player who don’t understand that melee exists.

I see what you’re saying, and I agree with your last statement.

However for your first part, just bring a warrior. You will have better overall DPS anyway, plus the invuln should be maxed at 25 stacks anyway if the group is right.

I know there are benefits to ranger, but if another class can do it better, just bring that class (that’s from a group perspective. I know personally some people would rather play ranger than war).

Another one of these? First of all shame on you for not seeing the other ones already posted, and making a duplicate unnecessary thread.

What’s going on? Are there certain people that shall-not-be-named going in game and saying “Oh you don’t like stacking/skipping either??? Go on the forums and complain!!”

Anywho. Just tell them upfront you haven’t done it, and ask politely if they can explain what to do.

Just know it’s perfectly fine to change utilities in a dungeon. You can run stability, invulns, etc while running. Get out of combat, wait for cooldown, and switch back to your normal utilities.

Snoozy.6701:

Agreeing with what u guys said.
But arena said no Holy Trinity and everybody can enjoy.
And if we avoid dungeons for slower players, arena net shout not put in update with more dungeons, which, many would avoid, which means, the updates are kinda useless

Example the dungeons in LA with aetherblades, slower players can’t get up the boxes on time while running and avoid the lasers ….
Any strategy other than running up the boxes?

Look for a pattern. It’s not random. Watch from a safe spot, plan it out, then move.

Don’t wait till you see the box go away, anticipate and count how fast it’s actually on for.

Konrad.9587:

Himax.3954:

Complaining about how stupid people don’t deserve or accept your help can only prove how arrogant and unhelpful you are.

Not really. People that desperately need help and advices in most of the cases just ignore any hints given to them. Few days ago I asked some PUG ranger (bearbow, 2000 AP) at least 3-5 times to stop spamming knockback on his longbow, yet he ignored all of my requests and explanations why it’s bad. What we are supposed to do in such cases? How are we supposed to push some common sense into the thickest skulls?

Like it or not, but majority of newbies and bads alike are not willing to learn nor get better at this game.

You were trying to control how he plays. He likes to press 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5. Stop being so elitist. You should have been kicked.

+10% damage vs kraits on underwater weapons.

I put my commander tag on my mesmer rather than my warrior.

At first I regretted putting it on my mesmer.

Then I realized I mainly just regretted buying a commander tag.

Okay, guys, lets not focus on the champ train. We all gripes about it, whatever, blah blah blah, we still do it.

The idea IS actually a good idea. All people leveling will be in one server when they want to level, which allows people to pair up and play together. How many times have you felt like the only person in a zone leveling? How many times have you seen a level 80 just run past you as you’re trying to do an event?

This is actually a really good idea, even if people are blinded by their urge to complain about people champ farming.

Sometimes all you have to do is leave the zone and come back in, or just WP again in the same zone (fireheart rise for CoF)

As digital said as well, it’s possibe you were NA/EU and they were EU/NA

colesy.8490:

I got slammed with five today from the same thread.

I noticed that the more I post in the dungeons section the more I get slammed with infractions.

It seems all the baddies come here to complain, and the regular talk of those ‘elitist’ who like to stack and make money, are wearing off on me.

Emanuel.9781:

Feedback seems to work for the poison kraits(i forgot the name) if you do it right. That 2nd underwater pull my lv48 group took no damage at all from then when i used feedback. I don’t know the exact timing, but i use the spear 5 to pull some together, use feedback and timewarp. Haven’t had any problems with that group when my group wasnt full of (low DPS)re/tards.

Haha, thanks! It seemed like it wasn’ working, but maybe I was just misplacing feedback. I’ll try pulling them in so that feedback is covering the whole group.

I also very much enjoy the term (low DPS)re/tards.

LordByron.8369:

I have 2000+ hours playtime….and i m considering quitting since i am forced to grind everyday in the hope to equip a SINGLE character…..(still need a couple ascended weapons and all www equip except rings).

I have 1300 hours. I have 3 toons fully decked out in exotics, superior sigils, and ascended jewelery (including fully upgraded fotm backpiece for one).

I have 3 more 80s that have exotic armor/weapons with exotic jewelery.

I have 2 more 40+ toons that I’m leveling.

I have tons of crafting materials stock piled for my legendary, all my charged lodestones, and I’m still sitting at 400+ gold, even after a server transfer. I have never traded gems for gold.

I’m not saying this to gloat, just to show that:

Either you are a horrible liar, you spend all your time AFK, or you’re so intent on “playing your way” you get kicked from parties for refusing to stack.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

daros.3407:

Watter- well it is watter…

You stack behind the statues for the krait pulls too.

Since I feel like this thread is completely dead and we are aruging the same thing over and over again, I’ll go ahead and derail slightly.

Ive tried to do this 3/4 times and it never works. I have time warped and tried to feedback the posion, but poison almost always lands on us and wipes our group.

How do you get this strat to work?

laokoko.7403:

daros.3407:

laokoko.7403:

daros.3407:

Ethics.4519:

laokoko.7403:

^ that is actually not a bad idea. Because you want to kite the scavenger into the flame. So range isn’t bad.

And not every pug can kill fast enough. Unless you think you are good enough and have enough staility to melee it while 30 scavenger is knocking you down fill free.

I do melee but when I see too many scavenger around me, I definately range and go to the flame.

From what I noticed, it’s best to pull him in the back corner, giving the scavengers more time to kill themselves. Party goes full melee and burst as much as possible (avoiding confusion cone spray). Once the scavengers start to overwhelm you, pop stability and kite/range.

Similar to ascalonian boss in fotm.

Exactly best way how to kill him. Why should i fight that boss 2+ minutes with non zerk range group if i can kill him in less then minute (even seconds with full zerk) this way?
I dont want to sound like ,,elitist" or something but really i am asking why?
This may sound like OT, but isnt becouse it is still about stackin in one place :-D

Because I’m not lvl80 and you’ll kick me if I join your group.

Sory but of cource. As low lvl you can create your own levling group with other low lvls. It can really makes difference if low lvl is in party. Low lvl can be usefull with proper gear and traits, but they usualy they aren’t. and even with that they far from 80lvl.
You should undestand that as low lvl you are making dungeon longer and harder for rest of group. Do you really want to be weakness of group?
Form levling runs. It will be probably hard and long but if you play well you will make it dont worry.

That’s fine. I’m just explaining not every group is optimized with full dps and skilled player, that’s why they have different strategy on how to fight boss.

My strategy applies to all groups. The difference is optimized lvl 80 groups will take his health down a lot further than non-optimized low level groups.

The two you mentioned, in-game LFG and gw2lfg.com. Is that website down temporarily or permanently?

You could also ask in LA or the zone in which the dungeon is.

You could also look for a strong PvE guild and use guildies to do dungeons.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dragonfly_Cupcake