Guild Wars 2

Broadicea.8294:

Here’s a novel thought: it doesn’t kittening matter what Anet intended, all that matters is what’s possible. Skippers gonna skip, in other words.

Agreed. Also on a side note, Robert already said skipping is fine and if you would like to not skip/clear everything, you should actively try to seek like-minded people.

Aka not join random parties and make them play the way you want.

simplesimon.2084:

The stats between an 80 and a lvl 35 in AC really isn’t that much
My 80 in exotic/ascended is downscaled to

Power: 677
Precision: 484
Toughness: 256
Vitality: 312

while a lvl 35 in green gear with the strong prefix would have

Power: 589
Precision: 412
Toughness: 232
Vitality: 282

and that isn’t including any stats from upgrade slots or if they are wearing rares instead of greens

The issue is that maybe 1% of lvl 35s will actually have lvl 35 everything with srong prefix (armor, accessories, weapons, sigils, runes, etc)

More likely they have mix-matched stats, little to no sigils, a range of 25-35 blue/green, not using food or dungeon potions.

Also, regardless of how well somebody decks out their 35, they still have 45 less trait points than 80s.

Dolan.3071:

If you’re team is squishy then that ideally means berserker gear (or naked?)
Have an Ele drop Fiery Greatsword and do the old “untargeted Fiery Rush into the wall making sure you’ve got auto target turned off in options” and bam, no more DPS issues.

I am team?

Oh, so exploit the FGS? Got it.

Vox Hollow.2736:

The fact they’d have to do anything at all is my point.
So how can you start your paragraph that way and say I’ve still not managed to convince you?

So when something is wrong they shouldn’t do any work to fix it?

If they wanted us to kill everything and not skip trash then it could be done without too many resources. The game could have been designed that way in the beginning.

You, or somebody else, said they should just completely re-do the mechanics. Wouldn’t that take more work then no-leashing?

TheGuy.3568:

Again I do not know why you are posting that as neither of my post has anything to do with that statement. On another note considering Cat Has Ducks.1982 made the comment either you are running both accounts or mistaken.

Arguing is senseless in the long run so respond or not and we can leave it at that.

We are different people.

What you are saying seems to be that I shouldn’t make fun of/talk about/be upset at the person who wears cleric gear and spams auto attack because I didn’t put “Speed run” for my LFG.

My argument is its perfectly acceptable to expect someone to still play well and efficient just because I didn’t put “speed run” for my LFG.

Your lack of reading comprehension baffles me.

TheGuy.3568:

Ethics.4519:

TheGuy.3568:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

What do you call a cleric guardian who never switches off his staff in a dungeon, and makes comments thinking he is a credit to team?

True story, had one of those in a CoF P2 group. Coupled with a bow warrior, a GS warrior, and some other class. The final boss took 4 cycles to kill! If I didn’t know any better, I’d say my teammates were healing the kitten thing.

Run with a zerker group if you do not like the DPS yo u get out of a PUG or……you could start the party yourself and advertise for DPS. No point kittenting on a party that had no restrictions.

Speedrun =/= efficient group and vice versa.

Not saying it is (not sure how you got to that conclusion from what I said in the first place). However, if you join a PUG and kitten on their dps when you never said, “Zerker only” then complain about their dps is that really fair? Every time I join a pug I expect that the pug will have some players who simply do not have dps specs on par with a zerker build. If that is the case then I do not a see a point in complaining about how slow they are clearing. It is a you get what you pay for thing. At the end of the day though the run still got done.

Again. Speendrun =/= efficient group and vice versa.

Just because I didn’t say “Super mega zerk speedrun pro elite only” doesn’t mean I can’t rag on a guy for spamming #1 staff with cleric’s gear.

Vox Hollow.2736:

Re: Ethics

It doesn’t have to become nintendo hard to cost development resources, it just has to change enough that it gets put on somebody’s to do list.

I don’t mind doing another to help illustrate the idea, but I’m not about to play an endless game of Inadmissible Evidence.

Another example is the timed event right before that.
The mobs are being used to create a source of tension in conjunction with the time limit and fire turrets/catapultish-thing. They weren’t intended to be killed, the timer would run out before you had a chance to get all the orbs in. They’re simply there to try to make you feel something. If leashing was removed keeping the mobs there would increase the difficulty, and if they got rid of them (or players made a habit of clearing before starting) the encounter is missing a source of tension the devs previously felt was necessary.

Re: Syn
As far as I can tell the man didn’t sanction anything from a design perspective. He just said he’s not about to start pointing fingers and it’s a difficult problem to address. Which, he shouldn’t, and, it is.

Whatever he may have been trying to convey, don’t you think the new gated dungeon sort of speaks for itself?

/edit: Had to try to explain that better.
The emotive part of encounter design, much like flow, is another one of those things I don’t quite have the design chops to describe as well as I want to.

It would take somebody 30 minutes to program less mobs that spawn on event start, with less spots. Therefore you set one or two people to DPs and the other’s grab. Even have one get all the aggro and let the other 4 collect, then kill after.

It’s inadmissible evidence because it’s bad and doesn’t do anything to defend your point.

TheGuy.3568:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

What do you call a cleric guardian who never switches off his staff in a dungeon, and makes comments thinking he is a credit to team?

True story, had one of those in a CoF P2 group. Coupled with a bow warrior, a GS warrior, and some other class. The final boss took 4 cycles to kill! If I didn’t know any better, I’d say my teammates were healing the kitten thing.

Run with a zerker group if you do not like the DPS yo u get out of a PUG or……you could start the party yourself and advertise for DPS. No point kittenting on a party that had no restrictions.

Speedrun =/= efficient group and vice versa.

The people who whine are the ones who join a speedrun group because they want their group to go very fast. They don’t want zerk gear though and just wanna play the way they want. They mainly want to get carried by the speedrun group, but don’t want to contribute.

These people can post their own party “AC party, non-zerk builds welcome” And do it with like minded people. But then it takes longer and they get upset.

Then they get kicked from a speedrun group and come to the dungeon forums to call us elitist.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions

Brother Grimm.5176:

You entire view is from picking a group for a Dungeon….NOT what I’m talking about when I discuss PvE. To be honest, I ignore Dungeons completely (mostly because of he attitude you are displaying with your argument).

Just for the record, I DID mention that Rangers are kitten in Dungeons….if that is your only consideration for playing with one, then feel free to dismiss them, but don’t project that narrow view of the game on everyone else.

I said this before you posted your thing about avoiding rangers:

Ethics.4519:

Depends what PvE you’re talking about. everything is great for farming scarlet.

I’m specifically talking about dungeons.

Everything listed can be done better by a different class.

Boon sharing, condi removal, damage, pet summons, etc.

So you respond to something I say specifically about dungeons, not open world PvE. Then you say my point isn’t valid because it’s only about dungeons?

What else do you “pick” somebody for? Dungeons is about it. You don’t pick somebody for open world PvE farming. You just join parties.

Soldiers is okay in wvw, that’s about it.

The ultimate goal should be 100% zerker for PvE. You start with maybe half soldiers and half zerker, and slowly replace pieces of soldiers with that of zerker as you learn the encounters.

On a side note, you have 62 gold but think it’s expensive? Must new 80s have about 3-4 gold.

a t s e.9614:

You can’t really ‘suck’ , the dungeons are fairly easy. You can only get new players that have no idea what to do. But i see alot of people that think they are elite but they are just average or even worse. Being ‘good’ dont think its possible too , unless its a solo or a duo. Its not a skill test, its a DPS test.

You can suck.

We all know this.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

If you have enough DPS Lupi is easy. You don’t even need to know his tells except for the guy reflecting his AOEs. Just stack and DPS and reflect until dead.

If only I had more mesmer friends… Alas I usually go 2-4 of my heavy class friends with the open spots made up of pugs. Most of which aren’t comfortable melee’ing. I wish I lived in a perfect vacuum that most of your answers are spawned from…

Add me. I’m a mesmer and would love to melee Lupi. I’m trying to talk my current guild into doing it but they are all in wvw.

PS I’ve never meleed him but really want to try.

This is not the suggestions forum.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Ethics.4519:

Ethics.4519:

Emanuel.9781:

Ethics.4519:

Linguistically Inept.6583:

viciouspike.8624:

Then I guess my next question:

Are ruby orbs ever worth using?

if you cant afford scholars

Phantasm mesmers (which I am) would benefit from ruby. The 10% damage (afaik) does not apply to phantasms.

Refer to my post above.

Thanks for pointing that out. I skimmed through and didn’t see anything.

I guess since I have two conflicting sources, I’ll have to test it out for myself.

I tested it last night with swordsman. There was no difference in damage (sPvP on heavy golem) when wearing 5 scholar runes vs 6 scholar runes at full health.

To me, that means it’s broken for phantasms (at least).

Most likely intended. Clones and phantasms don’t benefit from any of your other +damage traits or gear.

This is false.

Wethospu.6437:

I actually would like to know is he really immune or was OP in some unreachable place which turned Vassar invulnerable.

Quit being rational and jump on the anti-conditions train.

HAX! You guys were somewhat stacking.

Spread out more and kite the way it’s supposed to be done!!

Vox Hollow.2736:

There’s lots of places in dungeons and the personal story that use leashing as a mechanism to help design the encounter (Magg Lava event and it’s infinite respawns, for example). If they got rid of leashing they’d have to set aside resources to revise where it would break/imbalance the game, and it would tie their hands for designing future content.

It’s basically exactly what Hrouda said;
they could nuke leashing, but it’s a really inelegant solution.

Going through and replacing old paths with new ones designed to make this less of an issue hits way more birds with a single stone.

No? There’s not. Not speaking of person story, nobody cares about that. I’m talking about dungeons. Magg lava with the grubs? Nope, just keep them spawning. Once they leash onto him it doesn’t break, you have to kill it before it kills him, not that hard. If you say there are a lot, don’t just name one bad example.

It’s an inelegant fix because it forces you to fight every single mob, exactly what THEY DON"T WANT!

Ordnaxx.8614:

Hi guys,
I come back after a long break, I have Zerg, but now i want to play some magic class.
I thought about Mesmer and Necromancer. I need the easy class because i don’t have much time for game at this year. I want quite good dps and good support for team.
What do you think?
Greetings to all

Easy = Necromancer.

Good damage and support = Mesmer

KyreneZA.8617:

Here’s a better suggestion: Level on the Queensdale champ train! It’s got XP, karma, money, level relative loot, the Troll and trolls. What’s not to like?

I like the troll but not the trolls =)

UrScrewed.6183:

I did map completions as i was lvling and found other people were often a pain. Especially those hearts that are kill x enemys, and the enemies needed are few and far between. Add a bunch of people killing them, and it takes forever waiting for them to respawn. I do think it’s a good idea for a lvling train doing events, and lvling that way.

Please specify what heart you’re talking about. Almost all hearts have other activities to do. It’s also possible you just haven’t found other places to kill them.

Infamous Darkness.3284:

Yes but his/her question was more along the lines of help my damage type isn’t working how can I get it to work.

The question was “what gives?”

That was already answered and disregarded.

Winzzy.9435:

Bright.9160:

Or… There are some people who have perfectly fine lives that just don’t like dealing with idiots neither in game or IRL.

It’s funny how you imply that is at all what is happening. I take it you didn’t read the conversation about how to push trolling limits without drawing punishment from Anet.

As for the rest of the conversation…
First post was pretty much all of it. I’m not a perfect player, but I am competent enough and can play fairly well. No glaring mistakes happened, it was a fast and smooth run. The only plausible explanation is griefing. I have heard of it happening but had until this one instance never had it happen to me.

My position was, and is, that there should be recourse for griefing in game and a mechanic to eliminate this type of thing from dungeons.

Bright never insulted you. He/she made a statement that people don’t like dealing with idiots.

You say the only plausible explanation is griefing. That’s wrong. He/she could have left party immediately on mistake. It has been done before, and will be done again. So just get over it and move on

champ.7021:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Are we really still crying about this? If you want to play your alt, play your alt. Stop being a BHB.

i will once i know what that is so far i know:
its an acronym
its bad
its a cult sort of that believes in baphomet

sooo….yeah dont know that much

It’s actually not an acronym. Its initialism.

But yes, definitely a cult.

Syrenead.6327:

Teleporting skills, mesmer phantasms or blink do not have effect on the Spider Queen spraying poison. But running around, that’s what causing her to spray poison aoe’s. Dodging in the corner might not count as moving to trigger the poison attack.

“running around” aka into range distance.

Syrenead.6327:

I don’t think the problem is ranged or melee, the problem is moving. The spider queen sprays poison if anyone moves. If you stack to melee near the stairs and even one person moves an inch, she sprays poison and it’s pretty hopeless because there is no escape or room to dodge.
You can also range her, spread out, just do not move if you don’t want to be sprayed with poison. And don’t run to rez someone who is downed. You will both be poisoned and die. Better to let them rez themselves.
You can even have half the party melee her and one or more party members range. As long as nobody moves.

Nope, I dodge into the corner. Usually on my ele. So I fire#3 into the corner, and FGS #3 into the corner.

It’s a ranged issue, not a moving issue.

Infamous Darkness.3284:

wow this changed quickly how did help me for some reason I’m unable to damage this boss by normal means without an indicator on his buff bar saying that he is immune to my damage type change to, that damage type is useless anyways don’t use it…Yes I also agree that zerker is a great stat type that I use on my main but that doesn’t seem to be the question here…

" help me…. immune to my damage type"

Change damage types.

We could say “yeah Anet,change this, put an indicator” which will take 3/4 months.

Or he could see immediate improvement by getting away from conditions.

Emanuel.9781:

Try outside of spvp perhaps?

Why?

I don’t want to buy 6 of these expensive runes just to find out they don’t work.

TKiller.6829:

I recall some guy reporting a weird bug with his phantasms retaining golemancer rune summon when he already changed his runes.

This might be connected.

I summoned the phantasm with and without, as you have to be out of combat to switch.

tolunart.2095:

These are not problems in the usual sense. The preference for zerker builds is a min/max thing, and not every player is interested in min/max builds. I’m not, I don’t think I own a single set of “full zerk” gear over 16 characters. Short of starting the game over from scratch there isn’t anything to do about it. My personal preference is for celestial armor with traveler’s runes and zerker trinkets to balance offensive/defense abilities somewhat.

But in PvE you don’t need to balance that.

Most dungeons are horribly easy and just require damage to get it down sooner. Kill it before it kills you, rather than stay alive longer than it stays alive.

style.6173:

Because zerker builds are high risk, high reward. That’s how it should be. They do not need any changes.

Agreed.

They could introduce different mechanics or aspects of the game to discourage this. Maybe the next boss will invert toughness and power, meaning all your power will switch to toughness and all your tougness will switch to power (for that boss). That would surely make you bring Rabid gear right?

The issue then becomes you have to have multiple sets. There is already an issue in both that people complain about grinding for new armor (ascended) and the game being not alt-friendly. Oh, and it’s also an extremely cheap gimmick.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

reflects don’t work on the spider queen by the way, only on the little ones

if you are having trouble outdpsing the spider queen the most important thing is to spam condition cleanses for the bleeds and weakness.

Lol.

If you’re having spider problems I feel bad for you son, but I got 99 problems and the queen aint one.

swiftpaw.6397:

Ethics.4519:

swiftpaw.6397:

Ethics.4519:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

This is some of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. If you are honestly think that the only reason why leashing exists is to encourage people to skip mobs, then you need to think a whole lot harder about what would happen if all the mobs chased you everywhere no matter what. If you don’t honestly think that, then spare us your nonsense and quit trolling.

Then please enlighten us what the reason is.

Don’t say server lag or resources because a dungeon is a very small instanced map. It would be easy to have open world leash and dungeons not leash.

Oh god no, now you’ve done it. You’ve responded to his antics. Once he gets started he never stops. Walls of text? pff, it’s gonna be towers of pointless text now.

My brother burnt his finger on an iron once. Even though it hurt pretty badly, I still had to touch it to make sure it was hot, which I then burnt my finger. Sometimes you have to experience something for yourself.

This is different man. This isn’t a little burn on the finger. You better be prepared to have every single one of your brain cells annihilated. You better be prepared to feel your intelligence drain away until you are just an empty shell.

Why else do I continually come back to the dungeon forums? BRING IT ON!

emachine.2706:

Holy cow, that site is great. Can’t believe I’ve not come across it before. I assume it was a poison pool as we all went down in a relatively short period of time. In combat awareness is probably something I should be working on because I don’t have a definitive answer for you.

Thanks for the link.

This boss usually wipes groups because of the main issues why PUGs suck at stacking. The issue is that they start to take some damage. Instead of staying in place to still get boons, etc, they dodge away and try to stay out of combat. Instead of easily being ressed, the whole party now has to stop stacking and res them, or let him die.

The issues that’s even worse with the spider queen is that it targets that one range player, and spews poison. It will only do this attack when it recognizes somebody at range. I’ve been in a party before going very well stacking, some PUG gets low, then dodges backward. 3 seconds later we wipe due to poison.

Melee: Stay stacked. Don’t move, burst her down. No poison

Range: One person is recognized at range and poison attack triggers.

Ethics.4519:

Emanuel.9781:

Ethics.4519:

Linguistically Inept.6583:

viciouspike.8624:

Then I guess my next question:

Are ruby orbs ever worth using?

if you cant afford scholars

Phantasm mesmers (which I am) would benefit from ruby. The 10% damage (afaik) does not apply to phantasms.

Refer to my post above.

Thanks for pointing that out. I skimmed through and didn’t see anything.

I guess since I have two conflicting sources, I’ll have to test it out for myself.

I tested it last night with swordsman. There was no difference in damage (sPvP on heavy golem) when wearing 5 scholar runes vs 6 scholar runes at full health.

To me, that means it’s broken for phantasms (at least).

If you would like to make a suggestion there is the suggestions forum. That would be a good place to go to say “I was getting immune, conditions seem broken. I think we should fix conditions” Although this has been beaten to death, so maybe not that good of an idea.

If you want actual advice about the dungeons, well then:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Stop using condition builds. That will solve all of your problems.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

I think Dungeons were a social experiment by Anet. This is why they don’t post in the forums, don’t fix bugs, and leave us to trolling eachother. They sit above us, looking down and taking notes.

HA! Thanks Keeanu ;-)

swiftpaw.6397:

Ethics.4519:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

This is some of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. If you are honestly think that the only reason why leashing exists is to encourage people to skip mobs, then you need to think a whole lot harder about what would happen if all the mobs chased you everywhere no matter what. If you don’t honestly think that, then spare us your nonsense and quit trolling.

Then please enlighten us what the reason is.

Don’t say server lag or resources because a dungeon is a very small instanced map. It would be easy to have open world leash and dungeons not leash.

Oh god no, now you’ve done it. You’ve responded to his antics. Once he gets started he never stops. Walls of text? pff, it’s gonna be towers of pointless text now.

My brother burnt his finger on an iron once. Even though it hurt pretty badly, I still had to touch it to make sure it was hot, which I then burnt my finger. Sometimes you have to experience something for yourself.

Snoozy.6701:

Ethics.4519:

Snoozy.6701:

Agreeing with what u guys said.
But arena said no Holy Trinity and everybody can enjoy.
And if we avoid dungeons for slower players, arena net shout not put in update with more dungeons, which, many would avoid, which means, the updates are kinda useless

Example the dungeons in LA with aetherblades, slower players can’t get up the boxes on time while running and avoid the lasers ….
Any strategy other than running up the boxes?

Look for a pattern. It’s not random. Watch from a safe spot, plan it out, then move.

Don’t wait till you see the box go away, anticipate and count how fast it’s actually on for.

Well i have done it actually with much better players (pro), my point is, slower players can’t finish it. and the GW2 Living Story require you to play it and finish it so you can follow the story.

Slower players can finish it doing exactly what I said.

If they are too dumb to figure out blatant in your face patterns then they shouldn’t be able to complete it.

It’s not the issue that they are slow. It’s the issue that they see a platform and think “leeeeroy!” and then angry and kitten ed off when they are knocked down and die.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

This is some of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. If you are honestly think that the only reason why leashing exists is to encourage people to skip mobs, then you need to think a whole lot harder about what would happen if all the mobs chased you everywhere no matter what. If you don’t honestly think that, then spare us your nonsense and quit trolling.

Then please enlighten us what the reason is.

Don’t say server lag or resources because a dungeon is a very small instanced map. It would be easy to have open world leash and dungeons not leash.

spoj.9672:

It wasnt funny :P

You’re wrong :P

anabasis.7346:

Those who complain about skipping in dungeons could educate themselves a bit and read this and this before posting.
In the end the best solution is to group up with like minded people instead of trying to impose your views on others.

OMG! You found it, thank you! I went trough 8 pages of Robert’s history looking for this earlier today, in light of all the “PLAY THE WAY I WANT!” threads lately.

Dawdler.8521:

Well the question is still impossible to answer. The Mesmer would kill the Thief before he can react, the Thief would kill the Mesmer before he can react. Neither can be flawless in a real world situation. Its impossible.

Personally I still fail to see why you would have problem with a power Mesmer. I find them one of the few class builds that can counter thieves, just because you get high damage very fast between stealths (phantasms all attacking on reappearance, iBerserker and GS autoattack, etc). I wish I had recording a battle I had with an SPRT thief the other day, sigh… We engaged each other 4 times I think. He fled every time and came back at full HP of course. Managed to kill him the last time with fairly little effort.

It’s a hypothetical question. He wants to know if it’s possible for him to kill a good thief using phantasm mesmer build.

If so, what strategy do yo guys recommend.

Why the heck can’t you all understand the question?

spoj.9672:

press the spacebar

It’s a joke

Obtena.7952:

Bunmaster.9734:

I don’t think to dis-incentive vet/newbie grouping together is a good idea.
Forcing them to learn on their own, most will wipe, quit and qq on the forums. It’s not like we don’t have enough of those posts. Most of us are willing to teach, as long as they want to listen and learn. But it doesn’t mean i want to do it 24/7.

I don’t actually see a problem with it. Do you find it unreasonable that people are ‘forced’ to learn something through making mistakes? Let’s be honest here, there are TONS of resources to learn a dungeon without having a vet carry noobs through it. If your willing to teach, that’s fine. I think there is more value in someone learning themselves.

I’m fine with teaching sometimes.

But somebody/some people had to learn in the first place, why should other people get special treatment?

to clarify: I agree with obtena. Mainly replying to bunmaster, just quoting to keep the convo going in order.

Paul.4081:

Well that’s just hunk dory burst your head annoying waste of time for hours fantastic.

Why isn’t this in the description in the in game achievement panel? Does Anet think we’re psychic? Instead of putting stupid things up in the top right every 2 weeks maybe they should focus on having accurate descriptions of things that have probably been in the game since launch.

If I hadn’t asked here I would have been killing and doing DE’s at random all over Tyria wondering what the hell.

Thanks all above posters

It is in game.

/wiki lifetime survivor

Boulders? What boulders?

Just take my portal.

Mainly you’re looking at population, community, and WvW status. Other than that:

TC – Unofficial RP server
SoS – Unofficial Aussie server

I think that’s about it? I’m not familiar with EU servers.

Keep in mind you can guest for any PvE content. But your home server is who you fight for in WvW.

Edit: If you decide to switch, you can delete your characters and can switch for free. If you’re new, it’s better than spending the 85gold/1800 gems to switch.

Adine.2184:

Mesmer . Everyone wants them in a party for PvE and WvW so you cant really go wrong there . I really dont see whats wrong with the whole purple thing either. Look at it like this in roman times purple was more a symbol of wealth than anything else so Mesmers are the upper crust of society

1 Mesmer in a party is awesome. 2+ is a waste.

1 Guardian in a party is good. 2-3 is freaking sweet =).

I mainly run dungeons/fotm. In general, my idea party comp is 1mesmer, 2guards, 2 wars. Of course this changes on specific paths like AC where ele is king/queen.

Tree.3916:

More like when you die you lose your items and your deleveled to 1 :O

Sounds like Shaiya ultimate mode. The fond yet horrible memories.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

yeah

U NO 15 CHAR??!?!?!

U BRAKE ANET!!!!